this is "nightline." >> tonight -- >> i thought no meant no. >> ashley judd opening up in an abc news exclusive interview about what she says was her harrowing encounter with the accused sexual predator harvey weinstein. >> i don't know that i would have been believed. and who was i to tell? >> telling our diane sawyer what she was thinking while posing with her alleged attacker. >> the look on my face is abject terror. >> and the answer that might shock you. >> what would you say to harvey weinstein today? plus, in the hot seat. you've seen them in shows like "law and order." >> what you did to her -- >> the bright lights, the two-way mirrors, the good cop/bad cop routine. how much of it is real? we go inside a police interrogation. >> put your hands behind your back. >> arrested, booked,

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"nightline" returns with diane sawyer and the ashley judd interview. >> well, here we are. did you ever imagine a day in

which so many people would be talking about something inside you for so long? >> well, first of all, i'm very blessed to be here. and i know that. so, thank you. and i didn't expect that i would feel tearful. but it's been an absolutely tremendously moving two and a half or three weeks. >> reporter: ashley judd coming forward publicly, detailing what happened, she says, when she went to see the movie mogul harvey weinstein. >> i fought with this volley of noes -- >> reporter: more than 60 women have come forward to say they were weinstein's prey. nearly 20 say it happened to them before ashley judd walked into his hotel room. even for a famous actress, speaking out is a decision steeped in fear. she and the other women unsure if anyone would believe them, or

care. >> i made the most important decision i'll ever make years ago, which is to turn my will in my life over to the care of a loving god. and it was like, i'm so taken care of. i'm totally going to do this. i also talked with my dad. when i talked with my mom, i told her what i was thinking about doing, and she said, go get him. >> reporter: mom would be naomi judd, who with her daughter wynonna was already part of a legendary singing duo. but the youngest daughter ashley says she had a different idea she got in her banged-up car, left kentucky, to act. in hollywood she says she got some small parts. then larger ones. and she got the attention of one of the reigning titans of the business, producer harvey weinstein. he had called, wanted to talk to you. had you heard anything about him? i mean, heard to be wary? >> no, i had not. no, i had no warning.

i had no warning. >> reporter: a meeting was scheduled. she says she headed to the peninsula beverly hills hotel to meet harvey weinstein. >> i remember the lurch when i went to the desk and i said, mr. weinstein, is he on the patio? they said, he's in his room. and i was like -- uh, kidding me. >> but you went up because? >> i had a business appointment. >> reporter: the door opened. in a pattern so many women say happened to them too, she says the man inside pressure. >> a constant grooming negotiation going on. i thought no meant no. >> reporter: she see he sunday to give her a massage, then asked her to give him one. >> i thought this volley of noes, maybe he heard them as yeses, maybe they turned him on -- >> reporter: she says he steered her into a hallway near a closet. >> asked me to pick out a suit for the day. >> reporter: she remembers the

bathroom just ahead, no exit. >> i have totally frozen in my mind the floor plan, where the door was, behind me, then eventually where that closet was. >> reporter: she says she wouldn't sit down, she remained standing as she countered in the hall five to seven minutes, and says at one point he asked her to come into the bathroom and watch him take a shower. i had with me a list of the different defenses the women come forward say they'd tried to use to escape. the light tone of voice designed not to offend someone powerful. laughing. frozen. panic the. one person said, i sang. >> yeah. >> i just started singing. >> we act like we're between 3 and 6 years old in those moments. >> reporter: but she has an idea. make a deal. an encounter someday. >> then he kept coming back with all this other stuff. finally i just said, when i win an oscar in one of your movies,

okay? and he was like, yeah, when you get nominated. i said, no, when i win an oscar. then i just fled. which i think, you know, am i proud of that? i'm of two minds. the part that shames myself says no. the part of me that understands the way shame works says, that was absolutely brilliant, good job, kid, you got out of there. it's a very important word, shame. it's a very important thing to talk about. we all do the best we can. and it's really okay to have responded however we responded. >> reporter: she says afterwards she had trouble grasping what had happened. but told her parents enough they could see how shaken she was. and she told other people in private -- agents, actors, people who worked in hollywood at a time when hollywood turned a blind eye. >> if i could go back retrospectively with a magic wand and say, i wish i could

prevent it for anyone, always. i don't know that i would have been believed. and who was i to tell? i knew it was disgusting. was i going to tell the concierge who sent me to the room? >> reporter: there are photos from that time. the "vanity fair" oscar party. >> he's put up this picture. >> ich. >> he says this shows that you were friends, that you were fine, that he tried to fix you up with his brother, or did fix you up with his brother. >> reporter: she says they had tea in public. so you were friends? >> no. that's -- deny, attack, reverse the order of offender and victim. >> reporter: and she points to a different picture from that same event. >> and i hoped i wouldn't pass him. but i did and he obviously grabbed my hand. it's like the look on my face is abject terror. like i can see it in my eyes. >> your elbow. it seems to be pushing him back.

>> yeah. >> while you're holding his hand. >> yeah. it's very -- it's very gross. it's very gross. >> reporter: she says she simply didn't feel powerful enough to speak out publicly and be believed after the incident. in 1999, she says, weinstein said something to her across a table. >> remember that little agreement we made? i think i've got that script for you. hey, just looking around for the material. and then i saw him, and barbara walters was right here. and he was across from me at a table. and i had just reached the up with which i could not put. i had come into my own, i had come into my power, i had found my advice, and i was coming right at him. >> across the table? >> across the table. and he looked at me and he said, you know, ashley, i'm going to let you out of that little agreement we made. and i said, you do that, harvey. you do that. and he has spat my name at me ever since.

>> reporter: she later made two movies at his studio. says she doesn't remember his being a big presence on the set. and in the last three weeks,wei statements to "the new york times" and others saying he didn't retaliate against anyone. and again, any sex was consensual. >> he might very well believe that. >> he said the rules in the '60s and '70s were different and that he will try to be better. >> trying is lying. >> yes, he said a year from now, i'm going to reach out to her. are you going to meet with him? >> i have no idea. i believe that there is hope and help for everyone. it has to be the appropriate help. and there has to be a real profound understanding on the part of the sexual predator that what they were doing was wrong and criminal. >> should he go to jail? >> if he's a rapist, he absolutely should go to jail, yes. >> what would you say to harvey weinstein today? her answer sfriurprised us.

she wants to make it clear she'll never forgive what he did to women, but something else comes from her deep faith. >> what i would say to harvey is, i love you and i understand that you are sick and suffering. and there is help for a guy like you too. and it's entirely up to you to get that help. >> it's going to surprise a lot of people. >> it's just who i am. >> reporter: for millions and millions of women across this country, the chance to speak out on #metoo. but for so many, also the reality of few options. i keep thinking of someone in one of our towns in kentucky. >> right. >> who cannot come forward. who cannot. >> well, then we're doing this for her. you know, if this isn't her moment yet, we're helping create the moment when she can. >> reporter: some of you sent us audiotapes. we've promised not to reveal names as we play them for her. >> i was told that if i didn't

sleep with him, i would be fired. >> we're slow tonight, babe, go in my office, take your clothes off. >> this guy controls my schedule. i don't make any money, i don't feed my kids, and i can't say anything because -- i need this job. >> i just want to hug her. >> reporter: women reminding her of a favorite song. >> you know, i love the song "invisible" by u2. which is really about making unseen people seen. ♪ i am not invisible >> i'm more than you know, i'm more than you see, i'm not invisible. >> reporter: she says only if men and women work together can we change all this for good. you think this is the moment? >> this is the moment. and if we want it to be the moment, it for sure will be the moment. >> our thanks to diane sawyer. up next, what did i get myself into? the arrest and interrogation of

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interrogations are a vital and often misunderstood part of police work. a successful interrogation can lead to justice. but when cops abuse their tactics, interrogations can lead to wrongful convictions. tonight we take you inside the process. the bright light. a two-way mirror. and that cop you don't want to mess with. >> you've been charged with two

counts of domestic homicide. >> reporter: finding myself in the hot seat of a police interrogation, not where i thought my day would start. it's a process we all know from top shows like "law and order." >> what you did to her, you're lucky i didn't kick your teeth in. >> reporter: and "how to get away with murder." >> you're saying you didn't recognize this photo when it became public. >> you're saying you didn't recognize this photo when it became public. >> reporter: we wanted to find out what's on-screen drama, and what's real, from procedure and technique to coercion and false confession. >> place your hands behind your back -- >> reporter: this is where my journey started here in the back of a squad car. people are cuffed in the back seat, do they complain about it being uncomfortable? >> yeah. >> it's uncomfortable. >> yeah. >> reporter: then it gets a little real. >> step in there, face the wall. put your right hand up on the wall. >> hand up on the wall. tag it. >> now i'll ask you to remove your shoes. >> reporter: watching is former

fbi agent brad garrett. >> we're going to uncuff you, we're going to take your fingerprints and photograph you. >> reporter: who says all of what i'm going through is part of the process of creating a relationship between cop and perp. >> the whole idea is to get you to feel in a very strange, stressed situation of you have some control because you can talk to us and maybe bargain on certain things. >> i'll have you stand with your back against the wall. look forward right into this camera. >> do people generally smile in these situations? >> law enforcement doesn't control whether you're going to stay in jail and you get out on bond, whatever it might be. but the things that you do in the next few hours may have a profound effect as to what happens to you down the road. >> reporter: we head into the interrogation. the space itself not an accident. garrett says the rooms are often nondescript, private, small but not cramped. >> the key for me is that i need two things to start with.

i need to be patient. and i need to be a good listener. >> reporter: luckily for me, i'm innocent and this is all a setup. but i'm starting to see how complex this process is. interrogations are not an exact science. and there's plenty that can go wrong or right. garrett shows me some techniques in action. >> in my mind, they got a gun -- >> reporter: this from the interrogation of michael dunn, who shot and killed 17-year-old jordan davis in a 7-eleven parking lot in a dispute over loud music. >> this guy like goes down on the ground and comes up with something. i thought it was a shotgun. >> reporter: dunn tells the officers he feared for his life, and then they counter with the facts. >> biggest problem we got, the first hurdle we got to get over, there is no weapon in that truck. >> so the detectives accurately say, michael, you keep telling us in this video that you were scared for your life, that you thought they were going to kill you. how does them driving away and you firing eight shots at them, how does that protect you?

>> reporter: in another, detectives patiently listen to shocking details from serial killer joseph miller. >> was she crying or screaming or anything? >> no, actually, she didn't scream or anything. i guess she was unconscious, i guess. >> so you hit her a few times just to make sure she was dead? >> yeah. >> these detectives do a great job of walking him down the street. not being judgmental. not, oh my god, you did that to her! that's why it is so important in my view who you get to do interview and interrogation. >> reporter: with that can come mistakes, including innocent people confessing to a crime they didn't commit. and as shocking as that sounds, 1 out of 4 people wrongfully convicted and later exonerated by dna evidence have made a false confession or incriminating statement. >> that typically happens when you have agents and detectives who just keep going at you and going at you. and people will sometimes give up that they have done something that they didn't do, because they want the pain and the

anguish going on around them to go away. >> reporter: just last year, the topic on full display with the case of brendan dassey in the docu-series "making a murderer." >> come on, brandon, be honest. you can do it. just tell us the truth. >> i grabbed her arm, put it on the side, tied her up. put her outside and shot her. >> why don't you draw where the blood stains are. >> reporter: he spent ten years in prison convicted of raping and murdering teresa halbach. last year his legal team based an appeal that his confession was coerced. >> it's okay. we need to get done, okay? help us out. where's the knife? >> reporter: a federal magistrate went on to overturn dassey's conviction, later upheld by an appeals court, prompting the state to ask for another review. when you look at brendan dassey's confession, what do you see? >> they get him to say anything that they want him to say. >> reporter: richard opshey is

one of the leading defense experts on interrogation tactics. he worked on the infamous case of the central park five. >> i grabbed her arm. grabbed one arm, grabbed her legs and stuff -- >> reporter: five teens who confessed in gruesome detail to attacking and raping a 28-year-old woman in the spring of 1989. >> any time she would talk he would smack her, shut up, keep smacking her. >> reporter: but these confessions were all false. >> they came to believe that they would only be able to minimize their punishment if they cooperated with the police. >> reporter: these very real consequences, part of why garrett says interrogations are so vital to the justice system. >> you can end up with false confessions, you end up with -- because of the techniques you use, that the statement can be suppressed. >> if the confessions are not done well, you can have innocent people going to prison for crimes they didn't commit, you can have guilty people getting off at trial because the confession's inadmissible? >> exactly. it's a big deal. >> for a deeper dive into a true

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