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this is "nightline." tonight, inside the world of incels. and their online community for the lonely and unloved, now being accused by some as a haven of hate. >> there is a risk of violence from this community. >> with digital threats turning into real-world violence. >> we lost our only daughter. >> plus, forever family. the couple redefining what it means to raise a full house. adopting nine foster kids all at once for a family of 15. >> how long were you called mom and dad mom and dad? >> the second we closed. >> that's not true. >> that's like the second day. and joyride. the road trip of a lifetime for
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tonight we go inside an online community being accused by some as a haven for violent misogyny where words of hate towards women sometimes escalate. >> tomorrow is the day of retribution, the day in which i will have my revenge. >> soon after posting this video to youtube. elliot roger would go on a shooting spree in a california city of santa barbara, killing six and injuring many others. the attack, a form of revenge by an angry young man, one who was hell bent on blaming women for his own personal loneliness. >> girls are not sexually attracted to me. there's a major problem with that. major problem. that's a problem that i intend to rectify. >> more and more, male hatred
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against women is rising up through the hidden crevices of online forums and entering real life, allegedly the inspiration between the mass attacks in santa barbara, toronto, and tallahassee, florida. and experts say one of the chief inch cue baiters of this violent misogyny is a subculture of men and some women who call themselves incels or involuntary celibates, who gather in online forums finding common ground, in hatred of themselves and anger toward the opposite sex. >> women are evil. women are cruel. women are mean. >> the group name that you've probably never heard of before, incels or involuntary celibate. >> reporter: now a new bbc documentary, inside the secret world of incels presents a never-before-seen world. >> a lot of people have not heard of the term incels and have not heard about the incel
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community. it's something more people should know about, because there is a risk of violence from this community. >> reporter: when the incel movement first began online in the late '90s, it was seen by many as a comforting resource, a place to belong for those who had no sense of belonging. >> oh, whenever i cecusee coupl walking about, i'm happy for them but at the same time, i am so alone. it hurts a little bit. >> forums can definitely be very supportive, having an online community to fall back on or to go to is definitely a source of comfort. >> reporter: it's a space that jack peterson sought out as a dr struggling teenager. >> i think what attracts men to the incel communities is feeling like they have no other place to go. if they're rejected by women, if they're rejected by men, the incel community is a place for them to conyegregate and find
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people to talk to for once instead of stay in isolation. >> reporter: it was a world where he could freely post this video. >> no matter where i go, what i do, nobody values my contributions. >> reporter: peterson eventually became a moderator for one of the forums. he says violent talk and threats were not tolerated. >> if someone crossed the line into threatening what seems like real violence they'll be banned from the website. i know on numerous occasions there would be communication with the fbi to make sure that nothing actually crosses into reality, that it just stays a post on an image board or website. >> reporter: but some say rogers' attack in 2014 mark add shift from the community that lived online to one that for some erupted into violence in reality. >> before elliot rodger, there were a number of online
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misogynistic communities operating. but elliot roger really flips the switch from a community that is angry online, operating within the digital space, to a community that has the potential to carry out real acts of violence. >> reporter: his blind rage, targeting strangers, like promising student katie cooper. her parents left devastated. >> he attempted to get into one of the sorority houses with a tremendous amount of ammunition. instead, out of frustration, he got in his car, drove around the corner and saw my daughter. my daughter paid the price. so we like to believe that that wrong place-wrong time scenario helped save 50, 60 girls' lives. so, you know, kind of a silver lining. and, you know, when you're in
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our position, you look for these. you know, wherever you can. k just last year, two copycats. a van mowed down pedestrians, killing ten people, and then at a tallahassee yoga studio. both attackers allegedly posted online that they sympathized with roger. "nightline" is choosing not to show you more of roger's videos. but it's clear he's gained infamy through these forums. shortly after the attack, he decided to leave the forum all together. >> i asked the owner to permanently ban my account. >> i left after the toronto attack because i didn't want to be part of a community that supports violence even in a joking way. >> reporter: but peterson says most incels are not violent and that within the incell community
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itself, elliot rodger isn't taken seriously. >> people think he's perceived as a hero figure, but i think he's more kind of made fun of. >> reporter: adam jessle, the executive producer has been studying the incel community for years. >> in terms of the number of people who are at risk of carrying out the violence against women or some kind of physical harassment of women, that is very small number. in the case of, you know, violence and mass murder, you only really need one person to move from, you know, online hatred to real-world violence. >> reporter: although not the norm, his film does seem to uncover disturbing instances of simmering anger toward women, l acon >> i'm the catfish man. i catfish females. i'm a legend in the community. i'm a hero. >> reporter: catfish man, whose full face is never shown
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humiliates women on camera as a way to seek revenge. >> [ bleep ] so bad, look at that. so fat. >> reporter: the women, who he says believe they're there to meet a model from online for a date are instead met with verbal the harassment and intimidation. >> it's kind of like a victory for the incel community. >> all those girls that treat the me like [ bleep ]. >> catfish man was very alarming and very distressing. on the one hand, we wanted to show people that this stuff is going on. this stuff is out there. on the other hand, we were conscious that we were giving airtime to this guy. >> reporter: the anti-defamation league is one organization that's been tracking incel communities and identified them as an emerging domestic terror threat. >> it operates in some of the same ways we see other extremist groups operate.
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>> reporter: they say community cooperation is key to monitoring violent content. >> tips have always been helpful for law enforcement, when someone may be strained. the tech industry, responsebility and every day people knowing they have a stake in this. >> reporter: as for kwatie's parents, they hope her senseless death helps society to be more vigilant. >> our daughter died because some individual couldn't cope. just couldn't cope. that's why she's dead. and his parents missed it. anyone who was trying to help him missed it. his friends missed it, society missed it, but my daughter paid the price. that's the bottom line. if you want to stop this from happening to other parents and other innocent children, you need to get to the individual, you need to find a way to reach them and help them and realize that suicide isn't the way out.
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>> reporter: it's 6:40 a.m. in rural arkansas. >> it's time to get up for school, baby. >> reporter: and here in this tight, makeshift five bedroom home live enough kids to fill a baseball team. >> dawson. >> kendall. >> lacy. >> layna! >> arya. >> ann. >> and we're the hawthornes. >> reporter: these two toddlers and five sisters and their two brothers began living together as foster children. >> what kind of sprinkles do you want? >> reporter: terry and mike hawthorne took them all in. high school sweethearts married 36 years. they'd already raised four adult biological kids, giving new meaning to the phrase big happy family. while the man of the house earns a living landscaping, it's 54 year old terry whose full-time job is to care for this extended
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brood. why did you end up with this gigantic family? >> we started fostering and went through about 80 children through the process. and when we got these, i fell in love with them and i knew i wouldn't be able to let them go. and they had a little sister born. and they try to keep sibling groups together. when we first started fostering them we thought there were three, then we thought there were five, they had a little brother and it kept going from there. >> reporter: how do you make room in your heart for that many? >> it's something the good lord does. >> reporter: life has been far from easy for these kids, but in some ways they're lucky, more than 690,000 children were in foster care in 2017. bouncing between state homes and foster families for an average of two years. >> you all have a good day. >> reporter: the sibling group of seven were separated and
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continuously uprooted around the system for three years. dawson, the eldest of the clan, lived with his biological parents the longest. >> you'd always worry about food. you wondered what would happen when you got home. i'm just glad it's over. then i probably was upset a lot. i would go to sleep praying that like stuff would change. >> reporter: now that you're living here, do you feel like your prayers were answered? >> yes. >> when i first got into foster care is the first time i've ever slept in a bed. >> reporter: you slept on piles of clothes? >> or on the floor. >> or in the closet. >> reporter: what's difference like, before and after? >> it's way better. >> we have someone to love us and take care of us. >> reporter: how long before you called mom and dad, mom and dad. >> second week we were here. that's not true. it was like the second day. >> reporter: why is easy to call them mom and dad? >> because they felt like an actual mom and dad, and they were caring and loveable. >> reporter: so when did you first allow yourself to dream of
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being adopted by the hawthornes? >> probably about a year, after being in foster care. >> reporter: uh-huh. >> when my sisters told me about them and how nice they were, and i saw them at visits. and i just really wanted to be adopted by them. >> reporter: it would take this group six months and require the help of their state senator for the hawthornes to make it official, to become a forever family. so you're the hawthorne 15? >> yes. hawthorne 15. >> reporter: micah is terry and mike's youngest biological child, now 21. >> i remember the day so clearly. we sat down at the kitchen table and they were just like, this is a really big commitment, and it's a big commitment for our age, for this many children. and it's an even bigger commitment with their behavior issues. >> reporter: an aspiring actress, micah was weeks shy of moving to hollywood. >> i knew then what i was going
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to do, and i think the reason 'sot guaraee, it's not a for-sure that i'll make it, but what was a guarantee was knowing that i could stay home and give nine kids a mom and dad, help them be together and have a family that loves them. >> reporter: was that a tough sacrifice for her do you think? >> i think it was a major sacrifice. >> i mean i couldn't do without her. it's amazing. i mean, the children just adore her. she's just genuine. i'm very blessed. >> reporter: while the older children are at school, micah tends to the toddlers. both have extensive ro e ocy ntal delays and receivs store to pick up groceries for today. when i go shopping, i usually have to buy multiple cans of
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vegetables or fruits or whatever i'm using, and tonight i'm having pizza and it will take at least four cans. i'm looking for the best bargain i can. i save every penny. >> the laundry is very small. we just bought a new washer and drier. >> reporter: it's so organized. light, dark, pink, towels. how many loads of laundry do you do? >> at least three a day. >>. >> reporter: three a day. >> this is the kitchen, very small for this many people, but it works. >> reporter: but it work. >> this is the pantry. >> reporter: i love how you organize everything is sort of labeled. >> that saves me from having to do 20 cups between now and lunge time. i have to wash all my dishes by hand because our dishwasher does not work. for the last 15 years i use its as a dish drainer. >> reporter: the kids took us to one of the group homes where
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they used to live. >> i was in the back house, behind that building. >> reporter: a far cry from where they are now. how do you say thank to you someone who's showed you love like that >> love and respect. >> you show respect for them. >> reporter: have you ever told them thank you? and how do you say, i mean, what do you say to them? >> normally, i say thank you and my mom will be like for what? and i say just for take being care of me and everything like that. and she'll be oh, you're very much welcome. >> reporter: what do you say to people who say, what are you, crazy? or does no one say that? >> they say it all the time, and we laugh and say yeah. i mean, yeah. we were told we're juju chang in hot springs, arkansas. >> there's more info on foster care at foster more.org. next, oh, all the places grand ma will go. new crest gum and sensitivity.
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