[applause] ♪ shine for the rest of your life ♪ ♪ stronger than ever, ever ♪ stronger than ever, ever ♪ shine every day and night ♪ stronger than ever, ever ♪ stronger than ever, ever >> tamron: hi, hello. how are you? isis water. hi, hello. how are you doing? welcome have a seat. we have a great show for you today. the story made headlines all over the world. two women who could not concede gave both from transplanted uterus is. exactly. it's a miracle. i didn't even know this existed.

they are going to join us live and we will see the babies. and then, jordin sparks went from "american idol" to platinum selling artist. now she's a mom stirring on broadway for the musical "waitress" inches opened up on a battle with postpartum depression and is opening up for us today. jordin sparks live in our studio. [applause] and let me take a moment to say today is glad spirit day and we let our studio in purple, my favorite color, to show support for lgbt qi youth to stand up against bullying, 7 out of 10 lgbt qi students experience harassment in schools and more than half report they feel unsafe and that is unacceptable to me and i know it's unacceptable to you. for more information on this important initiative to go to tamronhallshow.com and join in the conversation on cyber hall.

let's say hello to the tam fam at home. brian banks from michigan who watch us on ww i.d. and stephanie gibbs from ford to new jersey, she's watching on one of our favorite stations, thank you for joining us. okay, we like to keep it real on this show and one of the real things is debt. credit card debt. student loan debt. can i get a debt a man? don't me hanging. americans owe over $1.6 trillion in debt, that is trillian with a t, and one woman went viral the other day, she pit of her dad come over $100,000, and celebrated with a debt funeral. she buried debt. ding dong, loans are dead. i finally killed them. it was a slow death but wasrtev.

let's talto the woman who killed and buried her debt, mandy. good to see you. so this was student loan debt. >> yes. all of it. >> every dollar of it was student loan? >> every dollar. >> tamron: your first year of college you had a scholarship. >> yes. >> tamron: your debt free. and then you decided to go to a different university. >> i started scholarsp a small state school because my parents didn't have a lot of money when i graduated but then after my freshman year i went to pets and that's where the debt started racking up. >> tamron: how much was it to your? >> $25,000 a year. >> tamron: you were just watching the cow could later go while you were in school. did you ever think i'm not going to be able to pay this off or did you set think i will get a good job and i will knock this out? >> truth be told i was naive

about it. i was 18 when i went to school and nobody really sits you down and go through t i noa what was going to happen when i graduated. >> tamron: so there you are. again this is happened to me at temple university. i used to tell people i had perkins loan if there was alone in it i was like where do i sign get all figure out how to pay it later because i wanted to get the education i was told it was important and i did not think of 30 days or 60 days after that's when you have to start paying that bill. >> tamron: >> yes. >> tamron: were you working by then? >> yes i was lucky enough to get a paid scholarship which was really what rare. when i graduated it was $75,000 of debt and by the time i finished paying get ended up being hundred and 2,000. >> because of the interest. >> tamron: to custer because one of the things that you did i think it fits credit card debt, whatevd debouave imehink w did you do first?

>> first i made a commitment to paying more than the minimum. i made a huge difference because sometimes people get stuck where they can oy pinimumand then thes them. so i paid about $1,000 a month for five years which was literally another rent. to spew when you're not in a high-paying job so you made some sacrifices. coffee runs for $5, that wasn't happening. >> no, no coffee runs. i live far away from my job and had a bit of a commute. i didn't really get to go out as much as my other peers who didn't have loans. >> tamron: you buckle down, you didn't hang out, there is no cancun trip for you for spring break. none of that. >> and then in january of this year that's when i sbo it. i dog walked, i cat sat, i

babysat, i did extra work. >> tamron: you hustled. >> i hustled. yes. >> tamron: that's what they call it. >> some days i was doing extra work like overnight shoot so then i would go into work and do more hustled the next day so i was up for 24 hours straight sometimes. >> tamron: 24 hours just paying up the data. so how long did it take you to get it all done? >> fully six years and then it paid 32,000 in eight months. [applause] >> tamron: so how did you get the idea to bury it and get the debt a funeral? >> i wanted to celebrate in a big way. and kind of share my story in a nontraditional way. i wanted to do a photo shoot but the funeral idea came from me kind of wanting wityou butou

will are going to out there? anybody that has debt. >> really think about how much debt you're going to get into. i don't agree with how the system is set up right now. >> tamron: nor do i. >> you're really up to's think it through and for those who can pay extra, pay more than the minimum's. get an extra job if you can. for those that can't or don't really know about loans, do research. >> tamron: that's what you have to do. i remember doing a segment when i was on "the today show," they said if you owe a lot of credit card debt line up your credit cards and the credit card that has the highest balance start knocking that will not first, pay the minimum on the others and then once you knock at the big one then you just work your way down but don't just try to pay a bunch of minimums because you are just getting that interest over and over again on those cards. >> exactly, that's called the snowball method and i did it from the moment i graduated until now. >> tamron: i love that. can i get alone? because you're out of debt now. i'm happy for you

mandy giving us good life advises young woman. from advice from a wonderful young woman to some sage advice from a tv legend. suzanne somers turned 73 yesterday. she celebrated by stripping down to her birthday suit. that is myth miss suzanne somers she shared the photo on instagram. this sparked a debate and i want to hear what you all think about it. she's already ready. before that let me tell you come this sparked a debate online about her age appropriateness one woman wrote i'm an extremely open-minded woman but this photo is locking class. another responded sorry susie, but you are too old for this. i don't like that tweet. many defended her comment saying flaunt it if you got it and she still has a big time. suzanne of course became famous on three's company and she is

amazing. i've interviewed her many times, brilliant woman got on the successful career in many other aspects but you have an opinion on it, stand on not. what's your name? >> shanna. >> tamt'your thought? >> i'm all about that for your body movement but i say if you're single little more than usual i feel like she was kind of like hunched over i feel like she should be more popped out and then also i felt. >> tamron: you want her to show more question what >> i wanted to be more, when you're hunched over that's not going to look as good but she is good up top and i want to see her more popped up. my mama said good posture is everything. >> tamron: your issue is the posture? >> yes. >> tamron: i did not see that coming. she was like let me stand like this, you're not going to catch me slipping. susanna, one of the answer comes

i follow, this woman betty winkle, we have pictures. i don't know how old she has but betty is bad. another woman, the accidental icon everyone follows her and someone who's a personal heart of mine and i was just with her recently. tyson is 94. [applause] d tss athg. lehink now that 50 is the new 30? >> yeah i think that's it. >> tamron: c73, she looks 53. what's the beef, what's the problem? >> i think there is this idea that women have kind of an expiration date honestly. we are constantly fed these ideas up in media but women women should look like. everybody you see in tv and movies and ads is then. they don't have pores.

there are 25 years old. plus five model ashley graham wrecking the game and she's not alone. i just showed three accounts of women who aren't famous that have thousands of followers and they are over the age of 50. i think that people are really refreshed by that. i don't necessarily think tv and movies and a lot of ads have necessarily caught up but i think that is why you are seeing a lot of support or in this case obviously not all support. what's with the hating? i think a lot of the ideas are shifting but i don't think it coveit up at a certain age butyp before that you are supposed to flaunt it. >> tamron: who thinks she should cover up? >> your and risky territory come you're outnumbered by women. you pop your hand up. you did it. what do you think>> i'm thaddeu. >> tamron: ladies, right it down.

thaddeus. what you have to say thaddeus? >> she's 73. >> tamron: what is that mean to you? >> leave her alone. do you think it's okay? at some point you have to remember you are a role model. >> tamron: i thought she was being modest. >> i think what our society does as we often lived in fear and she shows that she has the internal confidence to just be herself. >> tamron: i think it's beautiful. thank you so much. when i had my baby a magazine approached us on the show and asked if i would pose natural, a.k.a., and i and i said no because i just didn't know if my audience wanted to seei it. a modesty thing or is it an age thing? >> i think it's about your personal comfort level.

two-thirds of women we did a survey with arp that said the two-thirds of women don't feel represented by what they see in ads on tv and movies et cetera and i think that sort of enforcing the idea that once you reach a certain age are no longer attractive. suzanne somers is 73, she's happy and healthy come i think she should celebrate her body for all that it's done to bring her to this point. modesty is a choice. >> tamron: you are nodding your head to get in on this. stand up with your name? >> mala. it's beautiful whenwecc aup 9 years old. tell about positioning. >> tamron: you're back to this from you don't like the bows. >> it looks like she wants to go

tathroom, you have to be careful. but maybe if she turned her body. to be when you're offering to read photograph suzanne? >> yes. >> tamron: one more. i have to say the post didn't bother me. on social media people were talking about the age thing. i said this before i remember when someone said women over 40 shouldn't wear miniskirts and that meant i just bought a bunch of them after that. you said i'm going to do the opposite. what's your name? >> my name is phyllis and i thought suzanne looked great. i don't think that age should have anything to do with it. i think that age is irrelevant in this case and there are a lot of young people that have no business posing in the. >> tamron: she's like let's be real all name names. but i'll stop you. >>w we seeur our bodies, thank you again the story that seemed impossible, to

women unable to conceive. they've given birth after a uterus transplant it is an incredible journey, it is true, and they are here with their babies next we will be right back.

♪ shine for the rest of your went viral a couple of weeks ago. two women gave birth after having a uterus transplant. outside of the medical world no one knew that this was even possible. the babies are now four months old and five weeks old. bh of without tround theme pe.

same age. >> i was 16 when i was diagnosed and at that point you're not really thinking about the futurd i really had to contemplate my whole entire future. like i have to tell somebody with this that i can't have children. >> how did the diagnosis go about question what did you go on for a regular exam? >> i was 16 and didn't have my menstrual cycle is a girl and my mom was very concerned. we had some tests done an ultrasound and mri and they concluded that i didn't have a woman and i didn't have a cervix but i had everything else to produce a child, just know of and for the bond if you would say. >> tamron: by the numbers i believe that one in 5,000 come around that number one in thousand women are born with this condition. >> yes. the numbers they have they think there might be more but it's onn five. >> ando unde

at 15 what that means for your adult life? >> no i don't think so.ase likee embarrassment of feeling so different and not understanding and not knowing anybody else that was like you. most doctors didn't even know what i had so i would go in and they'd be like i never heard of this. i'm not weird, the doctors don't even know what this is. with age came more of while, i'm not going to have children come i'm not going to have a family. it progressed the other i got. >> tamron: how did you hear about the clinical trials? >> for me i had always researched it when i got diagnosed i first asked my doctor hey, you guys do hysterectomies all day but can't you put one back in? 's what she specialized in. i did ask her and she laughed at me. oh, no. there's too much blood and veins and arteries. be away. possible.

at that point i just always researched it and whenkn exists? was google around crit mark >> i met my husband in 2014. i had just like flipped on the internet and i found this trial in europe was doing it and i was like oh, my gosh, a uterus transplant. i didn't think i would ever see the world. i followed that story and we had gone to an infertility session in portland, oregon, because we were going to do surrogacy or adoption. i was two months after i started trial and he said it would never come to the united states in six months later i applied for the program in the united states. to be when you have to apply for the program question mike >>n pl te of the mainhings is obviously you don't have a uterus. you had to have working ovaries so you had to go through ivs and

there that were related and then obviously you'd be really healthy we went through so many tests. >> tamron: did it require you to look at moving from your homes? >> yes we had to move to dallas. >> tamron: that was the only way that you could participate? >> yes. spew and see you past the checklist. it you are also under the age of 30. there is an age issues they are see past the checklist in your selected. >> out of hundreds of women. it's when i first went for my interview they said we are screening 250 and selecting ten. for me it was like this isn't going to happen. >> tamron: did you have the same feeling that the odds are against you? >> it was different for me. i applied and they called and asked me to come down and i hadn't finished school and hadmd down andhen a ye l tysked was stl

like we have one spot left to fail and we really were interested in you last year so i went and was screened and then i got that. >> tamron: and killing you quit your job? >> yes we had just bought a house and we sold our house we quit both of our very good jobs and we moved 2500 miles away from home. >> tamron: why was it so important for you to take this opportunity. there's no guarantee that it would work. why was it so important to give anything up for this job? >> i always felt like something was missing. a part of me was missing. when somebody tells you you can't do something i have the mentality that i'm going to do it and it's important for me because when i started i was like infertility is so taboo. i didn't tell anybody it's not like somebody something i go tell my friend. you feel really isolated and i know if i was going to do this i would be open about my story because i wanted the next 16-year-old girl who felt so ance. i did know one thing abott

suer shot. >> tamron: patent both of you received, which i had never even heard of this term, term, altruistic donors. what does that mean? >> it means literally a complete stranger just gave me her uterus and same with caleb. the day of my surgery i didn't know my name and i did know her name we didn't know anything about her. >> tamron: this is a woman who said i want to donate my uterus to strangers. >> yes. >> tamron: do they have to match your blood type? is it like a kidney or another organ donation? >> yes. they go through an intense screening process as we do. they had to have the all the blood drawls and all the health exams. they had to go through a psychological exam and we had to do the same thing. it was an intense visit and i think my daughters are under the was eight or nine hours with a 12-inch scar. t to hp another woman that they don't even >> y.

>> tamron: yland peyton and their o to e ag families. stay with us

♪ shine for the rest of your >> tamron: we are back and we see them. peyton killen, who gave birth after receiving uterus trance lands. we were joined them by their daughters. when you look at her, what do you feel? >> all the serial emotions. i've been a mom i would say to all my friends who have had babies to finally be a mom to her and to be in these mom, that's just pretty cool. >> oh, my gosh, peyton your husband adam is here. she is the most chilled four months old ever. she is like and i'm making eye contact with the audience. what has she brought to your life? >> just pure joy. i feel like i've witnessed a miracle. i never thought i would meet her

in so many people discouraged me from even ever trying to have her. just accept it, this is it. it's not the end of the world and sold like i look at her and i'm like i fought so hard for her and i just hope she knows it that she is so wanted. >> tamron: oh, my gosh. joining us on cyber hall is one of the groundbreaking doctors that brought indian emerson into the world. dr. think you so much for joining us. one of only a few surgeons doing this, take us but that goes through the layman's version of how this works? >> basically a uterus transplant is when you have a funeral that is born without a uterus or have lost their uterus and still wants to go through pregnancy and childbirth.

then we can through surgery take a uterus from a living or a deceased owner entranced by the it into this female. after the transplant to go through the ivf and to become pregnant and then you can deliver a child and that's what we did. >> tamron: you had seven more pregnancies in the trial so there could be more new moms. one of the things i've learned in reading about what you've done here is that the uterus only remains in the body for five years. is that accurate? >> it is. the baylor trial allows for a one or two pregnancies. we want those pregnancies to be a fairly, close together, the reason for that is that we want to remove the uterus and take away the medicine the mother needs to be on. >> tamron: how dangerous is this for the mom or the woman who wants to be a mother? >> yes. i would say the immune

suppression is the thing that can give you long-term effects. we know that you should only have it for a short time of your life it doesn't give those defects. and it's not dangerous for the child. >> tamron: looking at where we are medically i know that kayla said the cliche of miracles. we use that and i know doctors have a hard time with that word as well in some cases. how do you describe where we are that two women born without a uterus are able to have two babies now in their hands and you are working on more. how do you describe this? >> i think how i would use the same word. it is a miracle. [applause]