♪ ♪ shine for the rest your life ♪ ♪ ♪ stronger than ever, ever ♪ stronger than ever, ever [cheers and applause] >> tamron: hello, hello! welcome, welcome. we have a great show for you today. welcome, welcome! have a seat, have a seat. have a seat. all week long, we have been shining a light on up and coming designers inspired by the fact that a lot of my clothes that were made when i was a kid, i

showed one of her fashions, my aunt, we've been keeping that tradition. loving clothes made with love in the home. today, a 25-year-old from miami, florida, he is here. i am wearing -- it's very very y twiggy. [applause] i love this pocket. especially now that i am a mom, i love pockets. bibb, rattle, we will talk with him about his beautiful fashion. astrology. it is an obsession. we are going to meet two women who run their business and their lives by what the stars say. they make multimillion dollar decisions based on astrology. anybody else in here into the stars?

we have some believers. i think mercury is still in retrograde. plus, world-renowned astrologist is here, people pay a lot of money to go to this spot to get into astrology. we will get into it for free. and from "people" magazine's very first kindness issue, john potter, he has given away half of his life savings to complete strangers. he bought a car for someone. if that's not enough, this guy actually donated one of his kidneys. he's going to join us and challenge all of us as we enter the holiday season. how can we up our own kindness game? i don't know about the kidney part but i'm in on the rest. joining the conversation from b5, from durham, north carolina,

on w tv i love the haircut. thank you all for joining us. if you want to be a part of the show, you can join us for "cyber hall," go to tamronhallshow.com. we will tell you how to sign up so you can come to the audience, watch their or watch at home. now watch this. yesterday on this podcast called "ladies like us," rapper ti shocked everybody. i was at home, someone sent it to me. "i need a drink." ti said he accompanied his 18-year-old daughter to the gynecologist every year to see if she is still a virgin everybody. from his words, here is what he said. take a look.

>> we have yearly trips to the gynecologist to check her hymen. usually after th a party, the dy after the party. i put a sticky note, "sticky >> tamron: t.i. was on our show last weekend i asked asked him about raising his kids to be independent thinkers, people, here's what he said to me, take a look. >> i think more than anything, i want to encourage individuality. >> how do you do that? how do you foster individuality? >> i think the strongest thing any man can have as a keen sense of self. you have to go through different metamorphosis. throughout evolution to end up where we truly belong. >> tamron: on that podcast, ti

said he convinced his daughter to wave her privacy rights during this annual exam. he does not apply the same standard to his 15-year-old son. his daughter, he said, we'll look back and be grateful that he was involved. here is the deal, i am very sensitive about talking about parental issues. i don't think people should tell you how to raise her child. but once you go out and tell everybody something, of course they are going to have very strong opinions. especially on this. online, people lit into him. one person wrote "no exaggeration, t.i. is invading the space and privacy of his daughter." another person tweeted "i'm sick to my stomach." not my tweet. but some supported him saying "i wish t.i. was my dad." "100%, if i can get anything in this world back, my virginity

would be it." we could unpack that tweet but i will leave it there. destiny is in "cyber hall." stephanie, what do you have to say about this? >> i agree with you, tamron. i don't think people should comment on how others raise their kids. but if they violate their privacy, if they are going to the gynecologist to check her hymen, and they are going to call him a bad father -- >> tamron: here's the thing, we asked a gynecologist. i'm sure some of the women and maybe some oftheart the by beig examined does not determine virginity. the breaking of the hymen can happen by riding a bicycle, it doesn't mean she's not a virgin. if he had her examined and the examination came, it showed it was not intact, what is he going

to do, interrogate her? there is science, foolishness as some would like to say, and science. what is he going to believe? we reached out to dr. evelyn on her thoughts on this. she said "while it is technically not illegal if a teenager gives a doctor permission to share her medical information, it is not healthy for the teen." gynecological examinations are to ensure health, not virginityr some people compare this to caliban behavior, the oppression of women. and the world health organization has denounced so-called virginity testing calling it a violation of human rights for girls and women. microphone. sir, do you have a comment on it? what is your name?

>> lamont. i am a father. number one, she's 18. at some point, she is to have to take a stand against her dad. she could say it's my business, my personal choice, it's private. even if she wasn't 18. the fact that you are taking your daughter to the gynecologist to examine whether or not she is a virgin, that is ridiculous. t.i. father of the year, good move. >> tamron: next day, i remember when my dad opened my mail when i was 15, i was like "i am moving, i moving out!" my mail didn't have his name on it. i wanted to move out and it was his house. tell everybody your name. >> my name is andrea. >> tamron: andrea is also the mother of a very famous actor.

>> love "empire." >> tamron: your fami lives yours famous, his children are also famous on the instagram. as a mom and the celebrity world, 20 think of him going public? >> i don't think he should have went public but look at the other things too, double standard. look at that, there's a double standard. it's okay for you to get your daughter checked out but you don't do the same thing about getting your son checked out. the health issue, after all, if they are being protected, that wasn't even discussed. >> tamron: i hope every parent discusses it with their child. it wouldn't be so weird that a parent discusses virginity, i hope you do. this extreme approach to it --

>> i did both. >> tamron: what do you mean? >> i had both of my children checked out. >> tamron: are they both girls? >> my son and my daughter. >> tamron: you were able to take the boy in? >> i didn't ask them to -- >> tamron: the doctor asked them if they were virgins? >> they had a conversation with them. >> tamron: so the doctor had a follow-up conversation medically. that's different from what t.i. says he did. >> my whole point is that, if that is something i would have done, i would want just my daughter, i would ask them what is the way i can find out about my son? regardless, what i'm saying is there is a double standard. >> tamron: exactly. he doesn't do with his son what he does with his daughter. old friends in here? do you have something to say?

what is your name? >> tonya. >> tamron: what do you think? >> exactly what andrea stated. he should be more concerned about their health and whether or not they are protected. that's pretty much the goal. not necessarily checking to sngg after the fact, what does that do? nothing. >> tamron: there you go. there it is. we may have to do a whole show following up on this one. you actually look like her son, looks like bryshere gray. can i get your autograph? another story difficult to watch playing out, i was reading this, watching a lot of news reports. this massacre in mexico. this week, nine americans, including three moms and six children near the u.s. and mexico border, one of the most shocking things i've ever seen reported. mexican authorities are still

scrambling to find who ambushed and murdered these babies and their mothers. for the latest on this, from our affiliate kold in tucson, arizona, what is the latest? one individual was in custody or being questioned. >> that's right, tamron. mexican authorities now say that person now is believed to be connected with this ambush. that person was found with several assault rifles as well as a couple of hostages. right now, authorities are still looking for the killers that brutally murdered nine americans, as you mentioned. three moms, six children. today, reality starts to set in for a lot of these families. the funerals are set to happen later on today, five hours south of tucson. i learned that one of the girls that was shot, a 9-year-old in the wrist, she was released from

the hospital yesterday and has been sent back to mexico so she can attend her mother's funeral to get a little bit of closure and what has really been a heartbreaking story we have been covering for several days. as you mentioned, they are still trying to find the killers. mexican police and the president has set up a commission to find out if this was a case of mistaken identity or if the family was targeted in some way. >> tamron: 13-year-old devon langford is one of the children who was there. he helped save his siblings. how was he able to get to help and get people back to that seen? >> that has been the story out of this tragic story, this hero that emerged, a 13-year-old boy, he walked for 14 miles, from a very desolate area. the police were not around. we were told from family members that the 13-year-old boy actually walked back to his hometown, 14 miles, and some of

his siblings, six of them were under bushes, he tried to hide them so they would be targeted again. and in that whole process, his 9-year-old sister went to go get help as well and she ended up getting lost for a couple of hours. he goes to get help, she goes to get help and in the process, she gets lost and it wasn't until five or six hours that these kids, five of them that had been shot, they weren't able to get any sort of medical attention and one of the first things that that little girl said was we need to get back, we need to help my siblings. >> tamron: how long had the family lived in the area? it was a rural, what were their roots there? >> the lebarons had been there for decades. they call themselves mormons but they are actually a branch off of the traditional latter-day saints. they've been there for a few years. these families that were killed are related to that family.

there have been some questions on if they were targeted. they had some run-ins with the cartels before, two years ago, two members of the lebarons were actually killed by the cartels. some have been outspoken on the violence in that area. they have a lot of land, they farm pecans, apples, cheese, they are known for that. this has been shocking for that community and the closest border community, today, we are learning it's possible that that violence had been linked to violence that happened hours earlier. i spoke with the grandfather saying people are not crossing into mexico because they are afraid, this is an everyday way of life for people, crossing into these border communities but they know it so violent down there. they are concerned. >> tamron: that area you mentioned a relative saying that people are afraid to go in and out. is that one of the hotbed areas that we have talked so much

about? >> in recent months, there's been an ongoing turf war between two different cartels. that is what they are battling for. south of douglas arizona. there had been violence in recent months. most recently, monday morning, before this ambush on the family, about 70 miles south of there. it's increasingly becoming more dangerous. i know myself and my family in the last couple weeks, we stopped going and that has been the same story for a lot of these folks that travel to the u.s. or mexico for their everyday life. >> tamron: thank you so much. we will keep following this story. and again, through an unimaginable amount of grief, which includes the massacre of those babies. we will continue to update you on that. as i said before, back in the '70s, people would go to a bar

and check your sign, people are looking deeper into astrology. we will meet the president of a company that makes multi-million-dollar decisions based on astrology. plus, a woman who said mercury is in retrograde? her whole world is falling apart. what does that mean? we are going to be right back. [cheers and applause]

♪ >> tamron: by a show of hands, how many of you check your horoscopes? oh! how many of you check daily? oh, yes, we have some believers in here. my first guest not only believes in astrology, they live their lives by it. an entrepreneur, philanthropist, and socialite, and jessica hansen is theredentf

rld-re scson, is arizona. let's welcome our guests. [cheers and applause] so, robbie, i live in new york city. i meet people all the time to say step to the side, let me read your sign. but by all accounts, you are the real deal. >> i hope so. >> tamron: who told you? >> my clients. [laughs] >> tamron: is this a science, do you go to university for this? >> their studies that you can do, but if you're passionate about it, astrology chooses you. you don't have a choice. that is what happened to me. >> tamron: is it a calling of a >> it's a calling to our creat creator, our creator's creativity. absolutely. >> tamron: mercury in retrograde.

there is a woman who sits near me and church, hey, helen, she says mercury is in retrograde. i don't know what that means bread >> about 3-4 times a year, it seems, from our place on earth, that mercury is moving backwards. it's moving forwards but it reverses the energy of that planet. mercury represents communication, travel, our thinking processes. it reverses our thinking in a way. and that is one of two things. one, most importantly, i think it shows a disconnection to our creation as a whole and that we are all one thing. really. >> tamron: when you say all one thing, for example, i am a virgo. are all virgos innately connected through our sign? >> yes and you are connected to the cosmos they can show you your essence. at some level, your sun is in

virgo but it's very, very specific. >> tamron: when someone comes in for a consultation with you, it gets down to the time of birth. >> absolutely. that is where the magic happens. >> tamron: okay, i thought that was another room in the household. the father of your child, your life partner, former uric yankee. athletes are famous for being superstitious. but you actually give him astrological guidance. >> sometimes. as a capricorn, he is skeptical. and i am an aries, double aries, i am all fire, magical, and uncompromising. >> tamron: i know you have told us you are obsessed but how obsessed are you? the decisions you make being an aries? >> as robbie says, i just feel

it. i feel what is happening in my charts during the shift of the planet. i do read my horoscope all the time. i feel like i am much more better versed and when i was younger, when i first started becoming curious about it, now i feel like i am more in sync. it comes to you. >> tamron: you said you are more in sync with right now, this point in your life, things are out of sync because mercury is in retrograde? what's happening? are you feeling down? >> when mercury is in retrograde, what i've been told, or what i read, i am no expert, at the time to reflect. not put things into action. i should have known better because i like to light my candles, i have my candles burning during mercury in retrograde. that's the time when accidents happen. that's the time when things go

wrong. also, i have been getting readings all the time by astrologist. i'm coming to see you. they are saying you're going to move. and i just moved, i can't be moving. but it has never failed. yesterday morning, i basically set the house on fire. i had to move, i came here from my hotel room. >> tamron: okay, that is terrible. thank god. >> everybody is okay. it happened very fast. >> tamron: you don't think that's an accident, that it is tied to the universe? >> it was an accident and it was tied. >> tamron: how do you explain that? >> it's all connected. it works. we are all experiencing communication by things going wrong. i think if we give our creator something like hey, wake up.

>> tamron: c aan youe into ast? the bible says -- >> the bible says you can't do a lot of things. it meant that checkup on their daughter's hymen -- it's disgusting. disgusting. [applause] shameful. >> tamron: as an avid defender of moses, yes, you are absolutely right. >> the astrological cycles show that we are honoring the feminine. look at the #needto movement. it's our time. astrology is leading us toward that. >> tamron: you talk about women's empowerment pair jessica is here and runs a multimillion dollar business, you make decisions based on that.

tell me one of the most shocking things you've decided based on your astrology. >> probably the most shocking was to change my direction in my career. i was actually working for sephora. i have been in the beauty business for a long time. sephora is amazing. but i needed to walk away and go to a new job that required me to move to seattle. what i didn't know, i am a virgo, i also went through infertility. >> tamron: we are twins! we are connected. >> so we had a couple of failed adoptions. one was really successful, our daughter is amazing. and we had just gone through that. that was the time i said i need a change. we moved to seattle and about a year later, which will be five years tomorrow, my son is four. [applause] the reason his birth parents

chose us is because we lived in seattle. they had a connection to seattle. they wanted their child to be placed with a family there. you can only look at these things -- >> tamron: the move you made, you saw in your stars. and that's how you checked up there. >> yeah, just really trusting. i see astrology as self improvement and self awareness. that's what i do in my role. i lead a over $100 million company. people want to understand, i share with them that i am a virgo. that means i'm going to expect these things. that also means i'm going to have to work on things. i have to work on perfectionism every day. >> tamron: welcome to the virgo party. beyonce, michael jackson, welcome to the party of virgos.

>> 20 years ago, a woman told me i would be living in new york. and told me other things that have come true in my life. >> tamron: i have family members who dismiss it saying your trajectory would put you ie that you are in but she told me some things down to the letter that were incredible. >> astrology is looking at your trajectory. it is thematic. >> tamron: what about people that say it's just generic? that you're giving us generic things, looking for cues? >> i think astrology is calling for us to take a closer look. more specifically, how the creator created us, more specifically, and how that relates to planets out there. >> tamron: interesting. i could go on this all day long. >> why don't we? >> tamron: i want to send a virgo on a date with a libra. i have fantasies in my head. congratulations, jessica, on the baby, your journey. your business.

taja, thank you. i'm so sorry to hear about that. i can't wait for mercury to be out of retrograde. and robbie, i will come up to your spot. isn't that interesting? thank you. so fascinating. up next, how many of you would donate half of your savings to someone you didn't know? there is one person who raised her hand. half of your savings. okay. we will meet a man who has spent his life doing random acts of kindness. what moment in his life changed him, so much so, that he was willing to correct his life and turn it over to kindness? we will be right back with the story. it's a good one.