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go crazy, live a little. good night on this day, we mark juneteenth, a day marking black people's emancipation from slavery in the u.s., a reminder that twhaerhere's still a lot t in our country, and a look at our past, including the legacy of lynching. >> you could kill a person, a black person, with impugnity, and no one would care, and no one would be brought to justice. >> how the pain and anguish of one family moved america to take action. >> we have to fight to try and change the world, and this is what emmett's mother wanted to do. >> plus the spirit in the struggle. the role of faith and prayer in the fight for equality. >> this is a special edition of
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"nightline." "juneteenth, a sblags celebrati overcoming "is. emmett till's supposed crime, whistling at a white woman. a legacy that surviving members of his family are still carrying forward, and we warn youthe js e it says something profound that in the middle of the protest for george floyd, there are people holding signs, pointing to an injustice from 1955. the lynching of emmett till is a
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wound that runs deep and long. the scar of his death at the hands of white executioners changed the course of the civil rights movement, and it happened in mississippi. >> difficult to think of any human being, and especially my flesh and blood suffering in that manner. >> she was just a child and remembers the moment like that was yesterday. 14 year old emmett till was her cousin. because he was black, he was tortured in a barn, his body dumped in the river, no justice was ever served. last fall, she traveled here with her family to replace a plaque that marks the river bank where his body had benjamin found. over the years, the memorial had been shot at and vandalized many times. >> we are still witnessing young people, women and men, being killed, lynched in a different
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way. we have to fight to change the world, and this is what emmett's mother wanted to do. >> as a child, ms. gordon lived with her cousin emmett and his mother in chicago. >> he was loving, he loved to pull jokes on people. he liked people to laugh. he was the oldest in the house. he was more or less our protector. ? she remembers when he left to visit family in muddy mississippi in the summer of 1955. >> i remember his mother trying to tell him how he should behave and act, because he wasn't familiar with that lifestyle in mississippi. and that was the last time that i saw him alive. >> it was a place where many americans at the time thought nothing of black lives, where in the century before hanging black bodies from a tree was a family
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affair. >> it was a reminder of the racial hierarchy that existed. you could kill a person, a black person, with impunity, and no one would care. and no one would be brought to justice. >> it was this picture of a lynching that led to a poem, and then a song. ♪ hangin' from the poplar trees ♪ >> billie holiday's take was the anthem at the time. >> it occurs when an individual or group of individuals consider themselves to be judge,ury a executioner. >> nearly 5,000 black americans lost their lives from the late 1800s to the late 1960s. and one of the lives lost was ollie gordon's cousin, emmett
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till. just three days into a summer trip in mississippi, a white woman named carolyn bryan accused the boy of whistling at her inside a grocery store. a couple days later, emmett till went missing in the middle of the night. bryant's husband and other family had it taken the boy. he was brutally beaten and shot in the head. they found what was left of his broken body in the tallahatchie river. >> the call came. the screaming. the disbelief. i don't really talk about it a lot, because i do cry. >> at his funeral in chicago, his mother would make a decision that would change hearts across the country. >> she decided she was going to have an open casket funeral,
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because she wanted the world to see the grotesque ugliness of racism. all of the newspapers, all of the magazines worldwide started to, to show these images. >> it was this disturbing image of her son's swollen face that shared the unfiltered truth that moved americans. the streets weren't quiet then or now. ms. gordon says it all feels familiar. >> this is a challenging time for our people, and we wanted to get your thoughts. because we haven't talked with you since the george floyd incident happened. i would imagine every time you see one of these killings it's got to be just, you know, a painful reminder of what you've gone through. >> like a stab in the heart.
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the most difficult one for me was to look at george floyd. the people responsible for his death, they knew that other people were around, and they seemed to have not cared at all. >> would you call this a modern-day lynching? >> definitely, definitely. there's no other way to describe it. >> it's hard to believe, but there is no federal law against lynching. over the years, congress has tried, more than 200 times. earlier this year, ms. gordon and her daughter went to washington to push for the anti-lynching act and it is currently stalled in the senate over concerns from rand paul, who is arguing over lynch should be defined. but, as history teachesus, progress comes when people who have less of a reason to care do. and there's hope that this is
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happening. >> our thanks to steve. now we turn to josephine bowling mccall, a woman who knows all too well the crime of lynching. she's interviewed victims her book. here's our conversation from earlier today. you've been pushing for the emmett till anti-lynching legislation. what is it, and why is it so crucial for this to be in place for our country? >> national issues require national action, an anti-lynching bill has been on the table ever since 1898 with ida b. wells. i was 5 years old when my father was lynched, and i am now 77 years old. and we still don't have any anti-lynching legislation. as long as there are no
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consequences for such terrible crimes, then we'll not have any ceasing to those actions. >> your father, as you mentioned, mr. elmore bowling was shot seven times by a white man in alabama. we are still seeing modern-day lynchings across the country. when you see these incidents in 2020, what goes through your snie mind? >> i think of myself as a 5-year-old who expects her father to come home, who never came home because he had been lynched. i also think of the people now, the suffering they are going through, because they have no protection. we don't have any equal protection under the law. and so the people now are suffering as i suffered, and i think it's time for a change. >> today, as you know is juneteenth, a celebration of the end of slavery. why is it even more important for the people of the country to
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acknowledge the date do you think? >> juneteenth is important because we need people to begin to recognize us for who we are, respect us as human beings, and that is what we are being denied. ? a >> are you hopeful or cautious about the activism and protests you've seen in the past pfew weeks? >> yes, i'm hopeful because we see intergenerational protests. there are a lot of injustices that are prevailing today. and we need health care. we need economic advantages that have been denied to us. in fact, my father was an entrepreneur, and that was the reason he was killed. it was deemed that he was too prosperous as a negro. >> on this day in this moment, what do you think your dad might say? as you mentioned, he was an entrepreneur, a successful businessman, a farmer. what might he say in this moment? >> he was very, very religious, and he always sought to help
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people. and i believe that he would still be trying to explain the nature of having to live together peacefully by working together to engage in projects together and that would be the way that he would try to help everyone obtain success. >> his legacy continues in his daughter and in your family. josephine bowling mccall, thanks so much for your time. continue grace. >> thank you for having me. coming up, the black church as a site of unity and strength. a convenient time r or for hospitals to get back to normal again. that's why, at cancer treatment centers of america, we aren't waiting. we're right here, still focused on the only thing we do, providing world-class cancer care, all under one roof. because cancer isn't just what we do, it's all we do.
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the past months have seen their share of funerals, memorials and vigils for those lost. through them all, black churches have served as havens of solidarity. religion's essential fuel for the fight for racial justice in the past and in the modern-day movement. ♪ ♪ hallelujah
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♪ somebody praise him ♪ >> you have no right to put your knee on that neck. >> last week, the world watched george floyd's funeral and witnessed what black america has long known. the black church is more than a building. for centuries, it has been a safe house for the soul. its roots run deep to the dark soil of slavery. >> we weren't allowed to communicate, so, when we could get together down by the riverside late in the evening, when the work was over and call on our gods, it's where it all came together. >> when the slaves gained their freedom, the early black church became a place of resistance. resistance that move from the softwa sanctuary to the streets, the movement in the 1960s driven by the power of the church. at this church in harlem, where
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the complexities have been celebrated for years. >> it provided social cohesion. it was the first place of economic development. first place of politics. and who was the major spokesperson? generally, the preacher. >> often overlooked, the voices of women in the church. >> there are so many unsung or underrated black female, both clergy. >> if it weren't for the fundraisers, and the women praying and the women holding up the pastors, where would the church be? >> the separateness from the black church from the white church was essentially from segregation. >> one of the shameful tragedies at 11:00 on sunday morning is one of the most segregated hours if not the most segregated hours in christian america. >> but today mega churches
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thrive through diversity in their congregations. carl lentz from hillsong, new york. >> i think the future is very loud, powerful black voices and white voices. >> we're a different america now. we have so many churches that welcome black people and white people to worship together. >> if you got a cup of black coffee, it's strong. if you want to make it weak, you put a little cream in it. >> now pastor. >> he might not be too wrong. because preaching comes out of passion. preaching comes out of experience. we need all kinds of coffee, though. >> i know a few years ago you got in trouble. >> oh, yeah. >> in circles when you said from the pulpit, black lives matter.
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>> somebody said you have to say all lives matter. not all lives are in question right here. >> what kind of push back did you get? >> a lot of white silence in every way. >> there's the power of people. >> in contrast to the civil rights movement of the '60s, the primary founders of the black lives matter movement are not clergy or men. >> i look to 2020 america and the black lives matter movement and others, and i hear people asking where today is the black church. >> still here. >> and still important, say young activists like young activist, chelsea more ton, daught daughter of a pastor. >> black lives matter may not be clergy-led, but i do see the splashes of spirituality. i see the faith that is within the people because that faith, that drives people to hope, and that drives people to fight, and
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that drive people to move forward and say no more. isaiah 1 says that we as christians have to do good, seek justice and correct oppression. >> not everyone has to be on the front lines of a protest, but, with your life you have to protest this. that's what being a christian is. >> that sounds like sunday, 11:00 to me. >> yes, sir. >> so for centuries, the black church has stood proud and to protests and dreams deferred. >> when the dust settles and the smoke clears, there's going to be one central institution that's going to be key to people of african descent. that's the church. next, in the state where juneteenth was born, a ride for justice and a fallen friend. actually was. undt dust mite droppings!
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h and finally tonight, in houston, activists in droves, filling up a freeway with the names of those we've lost.
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