hi there. i'm kristen sze. welcome to our daily program called "getting answers." we're getting answers for you in real time. today we'll get into president trump's social media account and the role social media played in wednesday's insur recollectio at the capitol. people skipping the line to get their shot. but we grow with quickening congressional efforts to remove president trump from office or power. democrats have already drafted the articles optical impeach j. one of the drafters, congressman ted liu is here with us.

thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> glad you're ok. you were a u.s. air colonel. what went through your mind? >> i was in an office. they came up and told us to evacuate immediately, so we did. i previously served in active duty in the u.s. military because i believe america is an exceptional country and i never thought i'd see that scene that we saw that day, invading the capitol, causing property damage, having five people die, including one member of law enforcement. >> do you think those who entered the halls of congress would have done harm to you had they had the chance?

>> absolutely. i've seen some of the videos taken of the rioters and they were very angry. they weren't invading the capital because we were debating corporate tax cuts. they were invading the capitol to stop us from accepting the electoral college results that show that joe biden and kamala harris won the election. this was an attempted coup -- call it what it was, it was an attempt to overthrow democracy and that's one reason we need to impeach donald trump. >> tell us what is the charge against president trump? >> the charge is insur recollection. he incited this mob to match down pennsylvania avenue to go to the capital. he told them that you don't take our country back by showing your weakness. he told them to show strength. that's what they attempted to do. they attempted to enter the

capital and show strength and disrupt the calm proceedings, which they did, and they wanted to make sure that the electoral college results were accepted by congress. this is is sedition. >> when do you man to do that? >> it's on monday. we have already right now over 160. >> ok. what are the steps after you introduce it? what is the time line that? nch it will be up to speaker pelosi. if it passes the house, then it would be immediately transported to the senate and it would be up to senator mitch mcconnell what would you like to do with it. senator ben sapp says he was open to articles of impeachment. and senator murkowski says that

donald trump should resign. >> that may be the case, but this is the second i'm beachment for him. those senators have not been seated yet. the republicans have that majority. don't you expect to ultimately fail? >> we're in strange circumstances now. you have republican cabinet officials resigning. you have republican members of congress and republican senators saying donald trump should resign. he has since been open to impeachment. i think we're in a different time period because at the end of the day we are all americans and we know this traitorous behavior cannot be tolerated. >> can you take us what was inside the call and what came out of it? >> i don't want to get into specific details or call it

deliberations but jimmy i want to say it was very emotional. people were very upset and there was overwhelming support to remove the p of the united states. >> that running out the clock is noont option. >> doing nothing is not an option. it was very clear to me that that was the consensus generally from that call. >> are you still exploring other ways to remove him from, if not office, then power, 25th amendment is that off the table and dead or is that. >> no. >> dead? >> there are three ways to remove a delusional and dangerous president. one is through impeachment. one is through the thatth e-mailed amendment. i know they're trying to talk to vice president pence, who would have to be part of that 25th amendment process. the other is for donald trump to resign. i hope he does so so he can

spare himself from being impeached twice by two separate congresss. >> due to the threat of him having that power, is this partly due to head off self-pardons, are there post presidency considerations? >> there's at least four reasons to impeach. one is to remove a tapingous and delusional president. second is to make sure that donald trump ef holds office ever again. third is to con strain his behavior in the next two weeks if you know that this option is sitting out there. fourth is to let future generations know what congress did when we were attack, when our nation's capitol was attacked and five people died. we can't sit around issuing strongly worded press releases and do nothing. we have to send a strong signal

that this will not happen again in the future. >> kevin mccarthy says impeachment proceedings would leave the country more divided. there are some trump supporters who say that as well. do you concede that point, even if you believe in a the ends are important enough that it needs to be done, but do you concede that it could cause more division? >> i do not. my opinion is the opposite. we cannot heal as a nation if we ignore what happened wednesday. we cannot ignore that donald trump incited these people to stop congressional proceedings that was going to show that joe biden and kamala harris won the election. we can't ignore it and wish it didn't happen. it did. that's why we have to take strong action. i belief that the 25th amendment doesn't happen or donald trump doesn't resign, then impeachment

is the only action. >> didn't you accepted a letter to the defense secretary? whrm you requesting? >> i extent the letter yesterday. in august of 1974 secretary of defense james she issing jer put restraints on nixon's launch authority. he said for them to report directly to him. asking the secretary of defense to do something similar because donald trump is detached from reality, he is angry, and he is acting out. >> one way or another, the trump administration will end. i understand you're taking action to make sure that he doesn't launch a nuclear strike. something you're fearing right now? >> we've introduced legislation. we introduced it originally when obama was in office to correct

the nuclear launch approval process, which we believe is unconstitutional. the framers of the constitution very specifically gave congress the power to declare war. there's no way that would give one person the power to launch nuclear weapons that can kill hundreds of millions of people in less than an hour and not call that war. so to prevent him from launching a first strike without congressional approval. >> how worried should americans be? because house speaker pelosi spoke with the chairman of the joint chiefs who made assurances that there are precautionary obstacles in place and that there's still, quote up quote, adoul adults in the room. do you think they should be worried in this home? >> i don't think americans should be extremely worried but i think they should be concerned. four years, we kept saying that

could never happen, trump would never do that. look what happened on wednesday. i think we need to be concerned in these remaining two weeks of his presidency. he remains delusional and angry and we don't know what he's capable of. >> i know you have children. what do you tell your own kids an what happened on wednesday at the capitol? >> i told them -- well, first of all, i told them i was safe when it was actually happening after we were evacuated. but when i came back home, i did tell them that our nation's capital was attacked. these were domestic terrorists and we're not just going to ignore what happened. i said they were trying to do an attempted coup to stop the electoral results and we're going to do everything we can to make sure we hold donald trump accountable and that this never happens again.

>> congressman ted liu, thank you for your time and once again, glad you're safe and ok. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> coming up next, what is social media's role in all of this? what should happen to president

and welcome back. how big of a role did social media play in the up sur recollection? joining us to explore those questions and more is writer for slate magazine, eric mac. thanks for joining us.

>> thanks for having me. >> break it down for us, the different actions taken by some of the top social media platforms against the president's accounts and post on wednesday. >> wednesday, around when the riots started to peter off, facebook said that it would be blocking trump from posting for 24 hours and removing three posts they believe were spreading lies and inciting more violence. the next day he said they were going to indefinitely bitmap his account at least for two weeks until inauguration, because mark zuckerberg, the ceo who makes these decisions around the trump account decided that trump was going to continue to try to undermine the peaceful and lawful transition of power so he cooperate get trump continue to use the account. >> ig did the same thing.

twitter took its own action. red did it did something difference. >> they're being more harsh on pro jump incitement to violence. >> i think they banned one of the subs. paypal and shopify, that's interesting. merchandise related to the president. >> right, yeah. so the use of payment, you month know, platforms is definitely a different question, because it's a service, but that also comes into effect here. >> for those unfamiliar with how facebook has handled the president's post in the past, tell us why this is such a departure and what got them to say we're going to change, we're going to go in a different direction now? >> right.

this is kind of surprising. mark zirk berg took the stance that they wouldn't take action on information coming from politicians. he said that the public needs to be exposed to controversial speech. this is because trump campaign had been releasing a ad against joe biden that even the tv stations wouldn't run. that shifted a bit in june 2020. facebook said that politicians weren't exempt from voter suppression and kind of the misinformation around that as well as inciting violence and around the time of the election, face up again, labeling trump's post with kind of things, disputing the declaration he was making, notably that he had won the election before the votes are counted. >> do you think this is a sudden awakening by these platforms or is it just business?

>> right. yeah. so, you know, this is the speculation about this. obviously, facebook is going to be entering democratically controlled congress. they've been facing a lot of pressure from conservatives about potential bias that presumably will not be as much of an issue now that we have a democratically controlled government, so it definitely -- they are pretty atuned to domestic mix for sure and how it's going to affect their business. >> facebook is promising it will look for people posting things about the capitol protest, that they were inciting violence, they will take those down. i'm wondering if there are a lot of bigger ramifications here. >> right. so facebook did announce some additional actions around the riot, so if you are promoting the riot, if you are trying to set up a protest in d.c. after

any curfews that were imposed, if you are a rioter who posts any videos or images from the riot, that will all get taken down. >> ok. what about the long run? the president will be president for 12 more days. what do you expect big platforms like facebook and twitter decide to do with him, if you will, after his presidency. >> facebook said this was indefinite for at least two weeks. we'll see if they eventually bring him back on. twitter is interesting, because they took down some of his posts and then they said they were going to lock him down for 12 hours. he's now back on the platform. he has been tweeting. their stance is that if he reviolates their standards they're going to ban him permanently. it's interesting because just an hour ago "the washington post" reported that hundreds of twitter employees are asking the company to ban him completely at

this point. we'll see in the coming days what the long-term effects are. >> do you think this marks the starts of a new era for the social media companies who in the past had been unwilling to take on a monitoring role. some will face censoring. do you think this marks a dramatic shift because of the violence we saw in the capital? >> so, we are seeing some more harsh enforcement they're getting harsher on that. at the same time we're not going to have a president like trump for a -- hopefully for a while, so we'll see, you know, what happens when we house just kind of politicians who aren't stoking, you know, inflaming the discourse as much as he is.

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welcome back. we've all been confronting ethical questions ream. we've invited an expert to help us. accepted your questions over on the facebook live stream. joining us is philosophy and law professor, anthony from new york university. how you doing, professor? thanks for

>> all right. folks, do we have your microphone up? >> can you hear me? >> yep. now we got you. >> ok. >> you caught our attention with your most recent column headlined someone asked i might be able to jump the vaccine, should i? what was this particular situation and what was your advice? >> this was someone who was connected with the senior executive of a business which had access to the vaccine because of what they did. he didn't tell me what it was. and she thought that she could through her husband get access to the vaccine earlier to corresponding the general rules that were applied in, i think the state of new york where she was. and i said she shouldn't do that, because it's not fair to take advantage of the connection like that to jump the line. she had no particular need to jump the line she was safe where she was. if she did what -- she continued

to do what she was doing, stay at home, wear a mask when i go out, wash hands and there's no reason why, she had no special medical reason. she just wanted to get there early. i think that's part of what this pandemic has shown us, i think, is that some of us are willing to do things that we think are fair in order to help the general good and others apparently aren't. >> uh-huh. sort of related question. if a vice president or vice president-elect receives the vaccine, should this -- should his or her spouse receive one as well at the same time? and if so, this is part two of that question, should the spouses of, you know, medical workers and teachers get that privilege as well? >> well, i think the vice president who's about to be president is a very special case. we have -- all of us have an interest in him being as well as possible. and if -- once he's been

vaccinated, he's going to be a little bit protected, but frankly, if your spouse gets sick, even if you've had the vaccine, she could be carrying around the virus and that would at least -- that might expose you to it. not in a way that i think would damage the vice president, because i'm pretty confident that the vaccine will, wo, but -- so i think you know, to the extent that living with the vice president means that you have contact with people who might expose the vice president to the bug, that means that you are in a position where you might be exposed to the bug. >> uh-huh. >> and if we're asking the vice president to expose himself to the bug in order to do his job is and his spouse needs to do that, too, i think it's perfectly fair to vaccinate her. i think the important thing here is we should have clear, simple, fair rules and we should do it as fast as we can. i don't think in the end that

only one way to pick the right rules, to pick what rules are fair. i think it's obvious that there are things we should bear in mind. others are more likely to die of covid, for example. i think we should start with older people. i think we have a special duty to the health care workers themselves. we're asking them to put themselves in harm's way. >> what is the best way -- this is another one -- to ham somebody who's not wearing a mask that's making you uncomfortable. >> well, if they're not wearing a mask in the context of where they should be wearing a mask, which is where you're likely to put somebody else at risk, then they're a bad person. they're doing something wrong. what's an effective way of persuading something that's doing something wrong to do it the right way? that's difficult. part of the trouble with these people is that they've convinced

that they're doing the right thing or they're exercising some right that they have how you persuade confused people that they're wrong is a challenging problem. i'd say you're certainly free to tell them that what they were doing is wrong. i'd move away from them if they're not willing to mask up. or i would go to the person in charge and say you should kick this person out. >> all right. appreciate your thoughts. take care. >> thank yo

thanks for joining us. before we go real quickly,

twitter just announced it has permanently tonight, the calls for president trump to resign now growing, or risk facing impeachment, as disturbing new images show the violence on capitol hill. an officer appearing to be crushed as rioters pushed there you the door. the officer can be heard screaming for help. tonight, the house begin moving to begin impeachment proceedings. article drafted for incitement of insurrection. the republican senator tonight calling on trump to resign. the president-elect joe biden saying the president is not fit to serve, but leaving any talk of impeachment to congress. and tonight, among the dead, a u.s. capitol police officer. the d.c. district attorney vowing to investigate whether the president could face charges. and the president after that message to his supporters the day of the ot