[ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: hi, how you doing? i'm jimmy. thanks for watching. i'm the host of the show. welcome to our after the -- after the final rose is dead and starting to smell spectacular. we'll get into that "bachelor" mess later, but first, what a morning. we had rain and daylight sav&-p. i'm lucky to be alive. [ laughter ] my kids -- did your son benji sleep late today? >> guillermo: yes. >> jimmy: mine slept like they had three margaritas last night. [ laughter ] we had to drag them out of bed. the thing about daylight saving is it's terrible. even when you get an extra hour

to sleep, the whole hour i spend resetting clocks. alarm clock, clock in the guest room, two clocks in the car, the microwave, the oven. and every clock has its own special way to be set. by the way, if you hate daylight saving time like i do, you have this man to blame. former new york senator william calder. he did this to us. back in 1918. look at that clock sucker. [ laughter and applause ] you can tell he's a monster the second you lay eyes on him. you know how you know daylight saving time is b.s.? because more than 50 years ago, arizona was like "yeah, we're not doing that." and, for the most part, they seem to be fine. [ laughter ] hollywood was up bright and early. it is oscar nomination day. the grammys immediately gave way to the academy awards. the most nominated film with ten nods was "mank." which is the true story of how herman mankiewicz wrote the screenplay for "citizen kane." that's right. it's a movie about another movie. because there's nothing hollywood loves more than

itself. [ laughter ] the academy also announced that the ceremony will take place partially from union station this year in los angeles which is where all the trains converge. that's exciting. that means this year gary oldman might accept an oscar in a caboose. [ laughter ] do they still use those cabooses? >> guillermo: i think so. >> jimmy: thank you, guillermo. here in l.a., not only are we honoring movies, as of today, we can actually go to see them again. covid restrictions are loosening up-- [ cheers and applause ] just out of curiosity, how many you will actually go see movies in the theaters? none of you, yes. i had a feeling. movies and indoor dining is back at 25% capacity. even disneyland will be up and running soon at 15% capacity. which i have to say actually sounds -- disneyland at 15%? that sounds like the happiest place on earth. [ laughter and applause ] gyms were also allowed to open today at 10% capacity.

which that's a tough one. how am i supposed to go to the gym during a pandemic when i wasn't even going to the gym before the pandemic? [ laughter ] meanwhile, this is the scene in las vegas. where the casinos are now allowed to be half-full. that's how it's going in vegas. you can see donny, but not marie.hter ]all those people ar their ph enough vaccine to go around. and even when there is, the worry is people will not want it. 49% of republican men say they will not get the vaccine. suddenly, they're against baring their arms. [ laughter ] and republicans, in fairness, they have been fed so much nonsense from their "fox & friends." think about it. this is what they've heard. the pandemic isn't a big deal. it'll wash away. it's no worse than the flu but, it was created by china to destroy us! which is it? is trump not getting the credit he deserves for manufacturing

the vaccine, or is it how bill gates controls our minds? no wonder they're hesitant. i'd be hesitant too if everything i was told contradicted everything else i was told. dr. fauci has strongly urged donald trump to tell his followers to get vaccinated, like he did, which he did not do on camera. he said it would make all the difference in the world if trump did that, and he probably will. he generally does the right thing. [ laughter ] but this is what our former president is up to. there is a big story last week about how trump's daughter-in-law, lara, she of the plump lips, was -- she was event chairwoman for a charity called big dog ranch rescue, and this charity paid almost $2 million to mar-a-lago, which is owned by guess who over the past seven years. that doesn't sound suspicious at all. they had an event there on friday and guess who stopped by to say how much he loves dogs? >> so i didn't exactly prepare for this, but i hear everybody

screaming and what's going on? we're going help the dogs. that's okay with me. thank you all for letting me do this and so on and so forth. i'm with you 100%. we have many meetings in the white house and the oval office having to do with saving elderly dogs. and that's what we want to do. and that's why we're here. >> jimmy: right. he had many meetings at the white house and oval office having to do with saving and helping dogs. specifically mike pence. [ laughter ] and after trump popped up to help dogs, his sycophants got to work, posting "president trump looks better than ever before. he is getting in shape for 2024. the liberals are freaking out." [ laughter ] here's another one. "president trump looks fantastic and stronger than ever." okay, listen, i get that you support donald trump. put that picture back up for a second. he doesn't look strong and he definitely doesn't look fantastic. he looks like an old man with his belt pulled up to his nips.

[ laughter ] he looks like a bowl of mashed potatoes in pants. okay? this is a heck of a story from "the new yorker." it involves the chief financial officer for the trump organization, a guy named allen weisselberg. this happened years ago, according to weisselberg's then future daughter-in-law. so weisselberg's mother passed away. he works for trump, and the family is sitting shiva, which is a jewish tradition, a period of mourning. explain it, guillermo. >> guillermo: oh. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: never mind. it's where people come to the house. they express condolences. they bring food and they have a little remembrance. so donald trump shows up. he gets out of the limo, and the first thing he says at this solemn event, "this is where my cfo lives? this is embarrassing." then he goes around to some of the mourners and starts showing them pictures of himself with a bunch of naked women on a yacht. well, we all grieve in different ways. [ laughter ] and then he hit on the daughter-in-law who was engaged

to the cfo's son at the funeral. trump has denied the allegations, calling them "fake jews." [ laughter ] this wou be baone to bring to the weisselbergs. you know how these right wingers are saying it was antifa who attacked the capitol? it was antifa in disguise? well, according to a court filing, one of the storm trumpers is an army reservist who worked on a navy base as a security contractor and is a known nazi sympathizer. now, how do you become a known nazi sympathizer? well, one way to do it is to look like this. that's the guy. his name is timothy hale-cusanelli. it's always the ones you most expect, you know? [ laughter ] we have a lot of problems on this planet, and so scientists at the university of arizona are working on what they've described as a solar-powered moon ark that would store frozen sperm and egg samples from millions of humans and animals on the moon. wow. the minute mike pence steps away

from the space force, immediately start blasting the moon with sperm. it's unbelievable. [ laughter ] sotep onfor is project is to llt seme 6.7 million species on earth. this is the part of the movie where the helicopter lands at fort worth federal prison and an old colonel from the pentagon gets out and tells joe exotic, we have a special mission for you. [ laughter ] what a plan this is, though. forget those stupid star registries. guillermo, next year for your birthday, i'm sending your sperm to the moon. >> guillermo: sure, whatever you want. >> jimmy: tonight was "bachelor" finale night here on abc. this really has been the most dramatic season yet. even chris harrison got voted off this season. [ laughter ] and in the end, bachelor matt did not get down on one knee. >> i've seen what rushing into a proposal of marriage can do in myyo

and that's why i can't propose to you today. >> jimmy: so matt did not propose, but he did give rachael a rose and he told her he loved her, which it turns out didn't last long. >> it's nice to tell somebody that you love them. and every time i say it, it feels more real, and it doesn't get more real than this. >> le we'limah, an after the show wrapped, once they got back to real life, we learned that rachael went to

something called a plantation party and could subsequently not understand why matt would be upset about that, so they broke up. and not even the pressure of televised discomfort could get them back together. >> well, if you all want to share one final embrace. [ sigh ] >> i don't know if it will ever not hurt, hearing those things. >> jimmy: it was a night of many sighs. it was a night that almost makes you question the sanctity of "the bachelor" franchise itself. [ sighing ] [ sighing ] [ sighing ] >> jimmy: and let me tell you something, breathing like that is an especially dangerous thing to do during a pandemic. [ laughter ] of course, they couldn't end the

season on a down note so fill in host emmanuel acho did his best to put some mystery in the mix. >> when we return, we're going try to turn the corner here. we're going to meet our new bachelorette. and if you think you know who it is, you might be right -- but you might not be. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: but you also might be. cover all the bases. so then they came back with the big reveal which was who will be the next young hopeful to try and ultimately fail to find love? >> shall we tell "bachelor" nation? >> we're the bachelorettes. >> that's right. two separate seasons, two separate women, two separate journeys, hopefully ending up in two separa ets congratulations, ladies. >> jimmy: two? two is too many. i don't want two. i want one. [ laughter ] i want none is really what i want, but -- so now we have the next two bachelorettes. one is michelle who was matt's alternate, and katie, who you

may remember as the gal who showed up with a sex toy this season. so congratulations, ladies. you are about to embark on a journey through emotional hell. [ laughter ] i also want to mention that, once again, my wife molly correctly predicted who the bachelor would pick. [ cheers and applause ] turned out to be the racist one, but she picked her. [ laughter ] molly has now chosen 9 of the last 12 winners on "the bachelor" and "bachelorette." [ applause ] that's 75%. that's more effective than the johnson & johnson vaccine. [ laughter ] one more item. since we just marked the first anniversary of the covid lockdowns, we sent a camera down to the third street farmers' market to ask people what their lice have been like over the past year. and then since everyone had their mouths covered we swapped their vices in a new edition of "masking questions." >> we're talking to people about the pandemic. lauren, what has been the

toughest part about lockdown for you? >> the new way of living. everything is changed now. >> how about you, isaiah? what is the toughest part of the pandemic? >> i can't go on dates like i us tngs os the stuff i want to do, i can't do. i have to stay at home, for the most part. >> isabella, what have you been doing over this past year to keep yourself busy during the lockdown? >> well, i'm actually a mental health therapist. so i have been seeing clients throughout the whole time. >> tati, what do you do to keep yourself sane during the lockdown? >> play with my dolls and draw random things, really. so i just run around in the yard to keep my energy up. >> what's been the toughest part about lockdown for you? >> i don't know. just not seeing enough people, you know. not the interaction. >> what's been the toughest part about the lockdown for the last year for you? l this. being an olderine black wogh lis ttn er

lived in los angeles, california. earthquakes included. >> let me ask you this, dana. what is something kwez has been doing through the pandemic that drives you a little crazy? >> dana grew up with her grandparents. they had her cleaning the house like a slave. now she is releasing that trauma on to me. >> anything that dana does that kind of annoys you? >> he likes to leave like little hairs on the bathroom floor. and i think he should kind of sweep them up, but then he doesn't always have time, but it's kind of annoying. >> i keep the bathroom clean, though. i don't ndi th. >> i don't see what's nagy about what i'm saying, keep the bathroom clean and we wouldn't have issues. >> i have great cleaning habits. i don't understand. >> but you don't clean it that thoroughly. i don't understand how this is so confusing. >> that's the thing. she loves to use the word confusing. >> he doesn't have great cleaning habits. if he did, we wouldn't be having this discussion. so i don't get what's so

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[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: hello there. tonight the chief medical correspondent for cnn. dr. sanjay gupta is with us. [ cheers and applause ] later this week, we've got new shows with lionel richie, anthony mackie, edgar ramirez, jeffrey dean morgan, our former first lady, michelle obama will be with us tomorrow night, and we will hear music from brittany howard, tune-yards, and chesca featuring de la ghetto & offset. please join us for that. [ cheers and applause ] our first guest is an enormously talented singer, songwriter, designer, and probably the only artist ever to appear on both the country music and ska charts. her brand-new single is called "slow clap." it's out now. please say hello to gwen stefani. [ cheers and applause ] hi, gwen. >> hi! >> jimmy: how are you? >> thank you for having me again. >> jimmy: it's very good to see you. wait a minute, you're not in oklahoma in that dress, are you? >> no, i got made up for you. no, l.a. i'm in l.a. i just got back. >> jimmy: you look fantastic. how is it in oklahoma?

i always imagine like "green acres," you being out there. >> it's not that green right now. but it is -- it's pretty magic, i have to say. i have -- had no idea myself that it was such an amazing place. but it feels like you kind of go into a portal and you're like all of the sudden in nature. and i get to be like every day. e with blake shelton- >> jimmy: oh my god. i can only imagine. i dream about it at night sometimes. [ laughter ] and i look up at him and i go, there you are. and then my eyes open and he is not there anymore. >> you should see those eyes under the oklahoma stars. >> jimmy: oh, one can only imagine. blake does seem like a very, very good guy. and you are a great person too. and i'm glad you guys are together. and it does tickle me. because i know, you know, i remember back when i was starting out here on the radio, on kroq like in the early very early '90s, when you guys were just with no doubt, you were just putting things together.

now you have a song, two songs on the country music charts. >> i know. >> jimmy: who have ever imagined that? >> i would have never imagined that, come on. it's so far out there that i just -- it's hard to -- it's hard to even remember my other life back then, you know. but honestly, being actually opened up to the country music genre has been really cool. because i kind of define myself -- what i feel like makes me feel good about myself is my songwriting. that what makes me feel like i'm actually contributing to the world. and some of the songwriting in country music is just, you know, masterful. and it's storytelling. and it's very familiar in a lot of ways in the sense that like the story is getting across. the heart is getting across, and the message. and so i just learned a lot. i'm just so happy to be opened up to the whole genre. >> jimmy: now, does blake feel that way about ska?

[ laughter ] >> not quite. >> jimmy: not quite. >> not quite. but i think he -- i think he is very curious about it. and he's a musical jukebox. so i feel like he is always constantly asking me. he'll get online, he'll be like -- he'll list all these random ska bands i've never heard of in my life that i don't even know really existed or not. and he'll be what about -- this is actually when you probably know. let's go bowling. and he'll pick these bands that are from the '90s. and he'll ask me about them. i think we played with them? he's interested. >> jimmy: you probably did, i would say. actually, blake tweeted something the other day that i wanted to ask. let's put that up on the screen. he was talking about your single. "well, i thought it was coming out tomorrow, but it's out now, slow clap, congratulations gwen stefani. i love you." i'm counting 14 exclamation points there, which i believe means he screwed up. is that correct? >> i don't know. i think that when we were away, we were in oklahoma. and just time slipped away. and the next thing we know, oh,

my gosh, it's tomorrow. it's coming out, and it's a big deal. that's what is so great about these days. i'm still writing an album right now. i have tons of music that i've already done, but i'm going to keep writing until it feels right. and meanwhile, i'll slip some songs out, which is just incredible. we never used to do it that way. >> jimmy: i want to ask you about that. i remember when "tragic kingdom" came out. it was one of the biggest albums of all time. but it didn't -- i mean, i think we got -- we got the single first. and then you get the whole album, but you don't get the album in little pieces. do you like olwa >> i think i -- well, i know a lot of people that aren't even putting records out at all. >> jimmy: right, sure. >> they're not writing music as a chapter of their lives, or this is the collection of songs that go together. and i feel like that's just the way we did it back then. and what i'm doing now, i like that it's less pressure. i think there is something cool about just being able to put something out right away. like i could write a song and

put it right out. >> jimmy: let's do it. let's do it right now. >> okay. >> jimmy: let's bang one out. >> okay. actually wrote most of this record on zoom. so i feel like i could do it if you just challenged me right now. >> jimmy: did you really? you wrote it on zoom. you get together with a couple of people and figure it out and work through it? >> yeah, there was one point, one of the first songs i wrote, i was in oklahoma and greg kerstin was in hawaii and mozella was in l.a. and we all got on a zoom and wrote a damn song on a phone. it was like, what did i just do? i didn't think it was actually possible, because you would feel like you need to be in the room, but you don't. you actually don't. >> jimmy: what was it like recording those first no doubt albums? i imagine you obviously weren't over zoom. where were you? where did you record those? >> that's funny. well, the first demo that we ever did was actually my dad did us a favor. he had a friend at work that had

a recording studio at his house. so we were at his house. and we did this demo. i texted him before this to ask him what song it was. i think it was "bouncing shoes" or some song that never came out. but that was the first time ever being in a studio. but we really -- we were really hurting for money. we didn't have the money to go even barely to go to rehearse. i would go to my dad, okay, can i have $5 so i can rent a microphone? and the cord is like 50 cents, can i have $5.50 so i can actually sing in the rehearsal? >> jimmy: wow. >> it was like we would save everything to be able to go in the studio. it wasn't until interscope shelved our first album and stuck us in the studio. we actually built our own studio in the beacon street house, which is my dad's house that he grew up in. it was across the street from disneyland, and they bought us an 8-track recorder.

and that's when we first really learned like how to record ourselves. so then the process really began then, i think. p>> jimmy: wow, that's pretty crazy. >> i know. and that was a super long time ago. >> jimmy: you've gone from almost no technology and a rented 50 cent mic cable to recording with people in various parts of the world. i do want to ask you about no doubt when we come back. and later on, gwen is going to sing for us a song. it's called "slow clap." gwen stefani is with us. we'll be right back. keeping your oysters business growing has you swamped. you need to hire. i need indeed.

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[ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: we are back with gwen stefani. dr. sanjay gupta is coming up. gwen, you posted an old shot. i assume this is a yearbook photo. they asked what do you think you'll be doing in ten years. you said, i'll be out of college and hopefully singing for kentucky fried chicken commercials or even better, mcdonald's commercials. that's what i'll be, the kentucky fried chicken girl. [ laughter >> and you know, i wasn't joking. that was not a joke. >> jimmy: it wasn't? >> no. i feel like i back in high school had zero idea what i

would be when i grew up. and i basically like -- i can remember listening to the commercials and thinking, it dawned on me, oh, someone had to sing those. someone sings those in a studio. i bet i can do that, you know. and so i kind of fantasized about it. and i also used to fantasize about we used to go over to the disneyland hotel was across the street. we'd go over there, and there was a lady that would be in a boa, a feather dress. where are you from? and then she would sing. i knew i could do that. if my parents would just let me stay up late, i could work at the hotel! where are you from? you know. those were like my big dreams that i had when i was in high school. >> jimmy: do you remember ever going into a record store and buying one of your cds, one of your own albums or cds? >> definitely. i definitely remember doing all the stuff, calling up kroq and being like, play "just a girl"!

>> jimmy: i was a deejay at that time -- >> do you remember me calling you? >> jimmy: yes. you called in and the phone screeners said "yeah, gwen stefani called in" and we never believed it was you. we never believed it. [ laughter ] we always thought it was somebody screwing around. >> i would do that. and i also remember, i can remember going on tower records on -- i think it was beach boulevard, they had the big one. >> jimmy: yes, i remember it well. >> i remember going in there and you would feel very -- i don't know, it was scene, you know what i'm saying? and i would wonder if someone would recognize me. and they would. ub h, that's the girl from n >> jimmy: i remember seeing you in 1995 or right around there in orange county. we had a big radio show, and you guys did a concert on our morning show. and i remember you performing and climbing up 100 feet in the

air. and just thinking, wow, she is unbelievably great. and now here you are, still doing it. so many years later. [ cheers and applause ] and i wonder, do you talk to those guys, tom and tony and adrian? do you guys ever say, maybe it would be fun to get the group back together? i know you guys did it some time back. but i think it's like the 30th anniversary of your first album coming up soon. >> yeah. you know, it's funny because when the tragic kingdom had its -- i think it was 25th anniversary. thanks for trying to age me more. [ laughter ] like, it was quite nostalgic to watch everybody posting. i didn't know i was going feel like that. it was kind of weirdly -- it was kind of depressing. it was kind of nostalgic. it was a very strange feeling. and i was in the middle of writing this record. so i did have weird feelings when that happened.

as we all do. i think that this year has just been so reflective as well. >> jimmy: right. >> you look back on the last year, this year both. but i have no idea what the future is with the band, you know. i never would have imagined that we would have put the 30 years into it that we did in the first place, you know. it was a very -- very interesting situation, you know, because it started with me and my brother in this band together. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and slowly different members coming, and one of them being my boyfriend for all that time that ended up being the whole purpose for the tragic kingdom is the breakup, the heartbreak. >> jimmy: right. right. >> so there is a lot of feelings. even in that record, when you say the word "tragic kingdom," my heart is still kind of broken. because those songs were about a really sad time for me. yes. >> jimmy: wow. yeah. all right. that's a no or is that a yes? [ laughter ] i don't know. >> i have no idea. if i could predict the future, i would tell you.

>> jimmy: i just remember, i remember there was some event, some mtv show. and afterwards you guys were all there. and adrian got naked completely and started climbing on things. and i'd like to see that again. [ laughter ] all right, gwen, you are very kind to perform for us the new single. it's called "slow clap." we're going hear it a little bit later on. gwen stefani, thank you. [ cheers and applause ] we'll be back with dr. sanjay gupta. ♪

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>> jimmy: we have music from gwen stefani on the way. our next guest is a real life neurosurgeon and chief medical correspondent for cnn. that means he's seen wolf blitzer naked. [ laughter ] he's an author, too. this is his new best-seller. it's called "keep sharp." say hello to dr. sanjay gupta. [ cheers and applause ] hello, dr. gupta. how are you? >> jimmy, i'm doing well. thanks so much for having me. what an honor. thank you. >> jimmy: it's great to have you. i see you all time on television. you are, as i mentioned, a neurosurgeon, and you still do surgeries? >> i still do surgery. you know, when you go to medical school, you train for seven years to do neurosurgery, brain and spine surgery. it's my first love. so i got this great life now where i was operating all day today. i get to spend time with you tonight, but also get to report

on stories that are important. it's perfect. >> jimmy: do your patients ever not put two and two together and show up into your office and go, oh, hey, what the hell? you're the guy from tv? >> you know, it's really -- i think there are three types. there are people who have no idea. they don't ever watch television. they just don't know. the second type are people who will actually seek you out because you're on television. which i always thought was kind of strange. i think i'm -- i think i'm really good at what i do, but i don't think i'm any better because i'm on television. but somehow that's the perception. >> jimmy: right. >> and then there is the third type, which i think is what i would be, which is i get you're on television. i want you thinking of nothing else but me when you're taking care of me. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yes. that's why i go to dr. phil for all of my marriage counseling. [ laughter ] you know, the thing about being a brain surgeon, it's one of those things like rocket scientist. oh, this guy is a brain surgeon. i think it felt so much more impressive before we found out ben carson was one.

[ laughter ] >> i should have anticipated that one. i tell you, it's a funny thing. i know ben carson. i tell you, he is a very widely separated conjoined twins, did - all these operations. but i think, you know, just because you're good at one thing, doesn't mean you're good at everything, to your point, right? >> jimmy: uh-huh. >> i think in some ways you get really hyperspecialized. no disrespect to ben carson. >> jimmy: i heard those twins didn't want to be separated. [ laughter ] he did it by accident. they were perfectly happy together. this book is interesting because one of the things that you talk about is that it doesn't matter how old you are, you can continue to strengthen and improve your brain, which is not something that i knew. i thought once you hit a certain age, you're headed downhill. >> you know, it's interesting. in just over the last 10 or 15 years, this idea that you're not just born with a certain number of neurons.

that was the prevailing sort of idea, you know. you're born with a certain number. you drain the cache as life goes on. some drape it faster than others and that's it, you don't get any more neurons. and we know that's not true. what we've known for some time you can actually use other parts of the brain to do things. but now -- and part of the reason i wrote this book, it's become increasingly clear that you can grow new brain cells at any age. and i just found that so inspiring. i was learning about it from all these neuroscientists. and i said, "a," that can happen. "b," how do you do it? "c," i want to put it into a book. >> jimmy: it also means you can drink more. because we know it kills brain cells, if you read this book, you can kill even more brain cells than you were already planning to kill if you replenish them with these activities. >> right. that's how some people would look at the book. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: right. >> wasn't necessarily my intent. but the idea, the idea that you can -- all kidding aside, this

idea that things become preordained in your brain, that's it. you know, after an injury, traumatic brain injury, after a stroke, whatever it may be, you know, i just find it so inspiring that oftentimes people think the die is cast and it's done. you can grow new brain cells and regain function. yes, i had a stroke, yes, i had a traumatic brain injury, but what we're learning more and more is that you can have significant improvements despite that. >> jimmy: the body is amazing. it really is. you've heard of this covid, right? [ laughter ] >> a little bit. a little bit, yep. >> jimmy: so what i was wondering is the variants that we're hearing about. are we opening the country up too quickly right now? is what's going on in places like texas or florida or even in small ways that we're reopening here in california, should that be happening? >> you know, i really don't think so. and, you know, i am living through this with everyone else. i understand the pressures and

the covid fatigue that people have. but first of all, we've seen what's happened in other places around the world. in europe, in italy now we're hearing. we were following italy last spring thinking we're never going to become italy, and then we surpassed italy in terms of number of cases and things like that. italy is starting to shut down again because these variants are just much more transmissible. i would say two things. i would say we have learned just how effective masks can be. and i know that that was a pointed debate early on. but if people wore masks in public settings, i think you could largely still be open. obviously, certain things like indoor dining would still be tough, but you could still primarily be open if people were really diligent about masking. so the idea that you roll back mask mandates as variants are spreading, that doesn't make a lot of sense. we're so close to the finish line. i really believe that. why fumble the ball now? >> jimmy: will you be surprised if people who are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, still carry the virus and can transmit the

virus? >> i would be surprised if that were the case. and this is a really fascinating discussion point. i don't think that we will -- that we will find that people who have been vaccinated will still be transmitting the virus, but we haven't proven it yet, at the same time. so this is almost like one of those things, jimmy, where how do you assess risk? i think it's true, but am i willing to take the risk until i've proven it? that basic sort of way of thinking, i think that's informed how we think about this pandemic overall. what is our tolerance of risk on behalf of the world? that's what people are trying to figure out. >> jimmy: have your parents been vaccinated? >> my parents did get vaccinated. and it was -- they live in florida. it was quite something. my mom is -- my parents are immigrants, very tenacious, they're going to get things done. my mom in particular. she went online and found the low library in lee county was going to have 300 shots, and they were going start giving them out at 9:00 in the morning. so she dragged my dad at 1:30 in

the morning with lawn chairs and camped out for vaccines, kind of like people camp out for concert tickets. that was my parents out there. at 1:30 in the morning until about 10:00, they were outside. they're in their late 70s, but they did this because they wanted the vaccine. 300 shots. they were number 288 and 289. >> jimmy: oh wow. there were a lot of people already there waiting. >> exactly. >> jimmy: unbelievable. what do you say to the people who don't want to get vaccinated, who either think oh, i can wait and it will be herd immunity and i won't have to deal with it, or just are fearul for whatever reason of getting it? >> well, you know, i think on the second point, the vaccine went through these trials. most side effects if they're going to occur, occur within the first 40 days. that's why they waited two months for safety data. i think it's a safe vaccine. my parents asked me, should they get it? i recommended it to them. i've been reading everything, jimmy. i've been reading things from the other side of the world. i've been talking to the vaccine makers from the beginning. i've done my homework, and i got

the vaccine myself. but the other part of it is that you have a vaccine now that is basically 100% protective against someone dying of this disease, a disease that we hadn't even defined a year ago. we now have a vaccine that's basically 100% effective against death. 95% effective against getting really sick. it's a pretty incredible thing. so the biggest concern i think going into this was that it wouldn't work. we wouldn't get it done. i'm not as concerned about the safety. i'd say get the vaccine. we are probably going to have a very good summer, but if enough people are vaccinated, we'll also have a good fall. because by that point, enough people will actually create this herd immunity. >> jimmy: well, thank you, dr. gupta, for being with us. i think it's interesting how little we know about certain things, even though we've heard so much about this coronavirus. and i'm glad you're on tv telling people about it. this is the book. it's called "keep sharp." it is available now. dr. gupta's podcast on cnn is called "corona virus: fact versus fiction."

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