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institution, he directs the messick policy studies at stanford university, and policy director for mitt romney's presidential campaign in 2012 and political senior writer carla mariucci picked carla, lonnie, good to see reunited. >> thanks, kristen good to see you. >> and it feels so good. >> i was wondering which one of you would do that. great to see you. they got 1.6 million signatures, more than the 1.5 million threshold. so what are the next steps, give us the timeline, carla. >> technically the recall is not yet qualified, what remains is a period for people who signed those recall petitions to remove their signatures above 30 days. nobody expects that to change the outcome, really. after that, the state is going to analyze the cost of the election. some people saying, it could go as much as $400 million, that'll be a record-breaking budget busting recall, nohave

a parade of candidates has got to sign up to run on that recall ballot. tevorecallet g rsnewsom, and who should replace him. it's inspected there could be hundreds of people that sign up 59 days before the election. >> yeah, carla, got a lot more vei'questions to come, ok you know, lonnie, newsom and all democrats are pretty much denouncing it as a partisan effort, pushed by weiser premises, and q and on, the people who tried to overturn the biting win.biting win.bitin. is this effective, and i is this true? who is behind it? >> i think it's their most effective strategy, in terms of framing this as something that is fueled by some folks who are going to be relatively unpopular to most californians. anything politically, that

clearly is their best play. in terms of whether it's true or not, look, the reality is, you had a lot of people sign these petitions, not of all of whom were republicans. many of them were. that is ueyou had a number of people who were not republicans and folks who signed these recall petitions, who were no party preference, if you were democrat. so i think obviously what the newsom team is doing is trying to frame this in the most favorable light possible for them, and so it should be no surprise that they are trying to make this out into an effort that is entirely republican backed, the reality is a little more complicated. >> since you mentioned who signed the petition, let's go ahead and show you a map you can find right now on abc7news.com , this is put together by our digital team, based on the signatures. the bluer that area is, the more people that signed the petition to recall governor newsom. what we are seeing here is a lot of dark blue, like in the

northern, northern inland communities. and, you know, los angeles, urban areas, definitely the bluest, most signatures in the coastal areas, compared to the bay area which is, you know, very light shaded blue there. hardly not that many people who signed the petition. carla, explain what this means, politically. >> look, the issue is, california breaks down, there were i want to say two dozen counties that voted for trump in the last election. there are still conservative strongholds, central valley's are the problem foroblem forobl newsom. southern california is a problem for governor newsom. as lonnie said, this went across the board, 1.6 million people signed all over the state, and in the bay area, a lot of it fueled by the pandemic as we know, at this point, newsom has to appeal to his base voters, to democratic voters, and hope they turn out in november in big numbers. >> just how much peril is newsom really in right now?

i want to get both of your thoughts on this because you said, when this started, california had rising covid cases, schools were closed, people were mad, vaccines were scarce and now we had some of the best covid rates in the country, many schools, businesses were back, sports are back. vaccines are much easier to get. lonnie, i will start with you, how much peril if he actually in here? >> i think that depends on two things. one is, how effective the backers of the recall can make a concise case against newsom between now and when the election will happen this fall. there's a long time to go. remember when gray davis got recalled, when we were this far out, it didn't look like he was going to get recall either picks a part of it goes to how effective they can be at making the case. the other issue i will mention, which is going to be important is, does a democrat jump in? if a democrat jumps in to try and essentially be a safety valve, if newsom does get recalled, it makes it tremendously more difficult for republicans to get across the finish line and actually win in the replacement boat.

if multiple democrats get in, then the republicans job gets easier. so part of this is going to be walking that tight rope of newsom making sure democrats stay united, and to the extent possible come off of that replacement ballot. >> we did have tom steyer on and tried to get it out of him, like did you really do the polling? you know, as you might imagine, he tried to circle around that. i denounce the recall, et cetera, et cetera. carla, i want ask you, explain to our viewers, how does it work? i was going to say, who could really unseat the governor? it doesn't really work like that, it's not head-to-head. it's not like you want newsom or faulk, newsom or cox, newsom or caitlyn jenner's. tell us the questions or steps on the ballot. >> that's right, that t is thes you want to recall governor newsom and who do you wallnt t of people on it. it could be a circus. you could be a clown car of all kinds of candidates. last time we saw porn jars, child actors, et cetera. that could work in newsom's

favor. this year confusion part on the part of the voters. the part it'll come into play was what could happen between now and november, when the selection is. we will go through a summer of drought. we will go through a summer of potential wildfire. perhaps planned power outages that could affect millions of californians. and who knows what other headlights could park up by november. that's why the newsom people cannot take anything for granted, when they are talking about who is going to be on the ballot and how. the fact is, it is a big challenge for the state of california. if you could have hundreds of candidates to put those names into voter pamphlet, to put those names even on the ballot, physically, is going to be a challenge. we will see how much that will cost get something california has never faced before, really. >> lonnie, you brought up, you know, who is going to be in it. as we know, all celebrities are not created equal. is caitlyn jenner potentially and arnold schwarzenegger are not even close, what do you

think? >> i think we have to look at the candidacies very differently, because schwarzenegger had had history in telephone is a politics. he had been involved in reform efforts. what they have in common is almost universal name identification. and when you are coming into a crowded field, in a political context, that is something that other candidates just cannot buy. they cannot buy that level of name recognition. i would bet that caitlyn jenner's name recognition statewide is near 100%. i can't imagine there are too many people who haven't heard of caitlyn jenner. that doesn't mean they support her or want to vote for her, it just means they have heard of her. and in politics, that is a very important first step. i do think we have to take her candidacy seriously. now whether she is going to be like schwarzenegger or be successful like schwarzenegger, that is a very, very different question. >> event, i also want to turn to the other big piece of political news, which is california losing a congressional seat. we go from 53 in the house to 52. how does that work? we know based on how they will redraw the district, where that

loss will be coming from? is amber crop impact democrats more or publicans more? >> i would say california actually drew grew by more than 2 million voters in the last census period. the fact is, it grew slower than many of the other states, texas gets two more seats, florida gets one. the fact is, los angeles area looks to be the place where this is going to be cut. perhaps the policy with what many people suggest. so, yes, this is going to be the democrats. in los angeles, only about 50% of the people census question, that had consequences for los angeles and it will now in the congressional delegation. >> lonnie, do you think part of this is due to the shortened census process, remember, it was cut short by a month? >> i suppose. the process could be part of it. but i think what's happening in california, the population

grew, but it's a little bit like i heard this comparison made, it's a little bit like the air slowly coming out of a flat tire. you do have people who have relocated from california to other states, because of the business climate, because of the political climate, et cetera. i do think that that, maybe not in exodus, but that departure from california, for many, is very real. i think it is something that we will continue to see developing over this next several years, unless something fundamentally change here in the state. >> all right, lonnie chen and carlin are newsy, still the dynamic duo. thank you so much. i'm sure we willonbe take care, you guys. stick around by the way, we will chat with you more on facebook live, if you don't

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on our website, abc7news.com. check it out. welcome back. earlier on midday live, abc7 news anchor reggie hickey and i talked with oakland mayor libby schaaf on good day ligood including the new cdc guidelines and the a's howard terminal ballpark proposal. years that interview with her. >> today, we get this brand-new cdc advice about what to do with masks or when not to wear them. i'm wondering just your general reaction to that and also how you think this could affect alameda county, is is immediately going to go into effect there? >> you know, i've heard that the governor is actually putting this out himself, yes. although i will say, as someone who is fully vaccinated, i'm si with me. i think it is part of a to z.

it's a reminder to everyone that we are not out of this yet. and so, while we could be a little less nervous with that jogger passing us by, i do think we have to continue to stay vigilant. but it is showing what science has been leading us to see for a long time. that is being outdoors is very safe, and we are blessed here, particularly in the east bay, to have some beautiful weather to make that a pretty pleasant thing. >> oh, absolutely. i want to shift gears to the oakland a's. by the way, 9-1, on top of als, how amazing is that? look, let's talk about the new ballpark proposal at howard terminal. there are already concerns before about businesses and community groups that were opposed. now we are talking about, you know, maybe i'm going from privately financing the whole thing to saying, we need public money, where do you stand on this? >> let me be clear about what their proposal actually is. they are financing privately, the construction of their own

ballpark. we know for that ballpark to successful, and really for our whole city to be successful, we have a lot of infrastructure improvements that we have to make. some necessary for the ballpark, others that are just going to be desirable for us to move to a much more pedestrian friendly city, a city where you can bike more safely, and the connection between downtown and those bart stations, with our beautiful waterfront, could definitely use some improvement. they are proposing the use of a tool called the infrastructure financing district. it is pretty similar to how redevelopment used to work. and it is taking what we would call the but for taxes. for noking any tas that are ing generad ke velopmen and incremental tax, the buffer this project taxes are

appropriate sources to look at investing not just in the outside infrastructure that'll make this project successful, but things that matter to all of us, like affordable housing and parks near our waterfront. so that's kind of the outline of the proposal. now let's be clear, developing in the bay area, especially on the waterfront, is complicated and expensive. so we are analyzing this particular proposal, to see whether or not there may be some other creative tools that could maximize the benefits for all the parties, all the stakeholders, and i'm certainly interested in hearing the reaction from community groups to this latest proposal. >> to narrow this down a little bit, because you did a good job explaining to us what the a's want, as is, no changes to it, would you be in favor of that proposal that is currently on

the table? >> you know, i would like to see a little bit more creativity about some other d rid th thrces for some community doesn't want to see a little more specificity, and i would support that, as far as the community benefits go. but let me say, there is a project here. it is going to be fantastic. i'm so excited about the overall vision and positive impact for oakland, of the totality of this project, the improvements to our whole transportation system that i think will get accelerated, because of this project, and keepr benowat we are in rooted in their hometown, oakland. >> mayor schaaf, can i correct

myself, i'm so embarrassed, all you baseball fans out there, 9- 1 is the last 10 games. overall record 50-8. but absolutely at the top of als. i want to talk to you about the digital divide, closing in schools. you've unveiled a new campaign in fact, right? it's gone to make sure the students have a computer and laptop. >> i don't know of any other city that has done this. at the beginning of the pandemic, only 12% of our low income students had distance- learning tools. and as of today, that number 98%. we have closed the digital divide for families this year, and today is really exciting. i'm going to be with amazon. amazon has not only donated to this campaign, they've actually delivered, for free, a lot of these devices. there is some special touchscreen computers that were way back ordered. we are going to be going today to deliver these brand-new computers that are for the families to own forever in their homes. and they will give us back the loaners that they have been using that are owned by the school district, that have to go back to school.

these new computers are forever, for those families. >> libby, as someone, mayor schaaf, sorry, i don't know i'm calling you libby. >> reggie. >> sorry, mayor schaaf, i was so excited. as someone who didn't have a computer, and couldn't afford a graphic calculator, when i was going to school and stayed after school, in order to do my projects, just applause. that make such a big difference in a young person's life. so i'm really happy to hear about that. >> there were nowere nowere no computers when i was going through school. just pointing that out. >> stop it. >> i went to college with a typewriter. i am in your camp. >> mayor schaaf, thank you. >> reggie, at the beginning of the pandemic, i'm a mom, i couldn't imagine how parents felt. without this incredible connection to the rest of the world. it's great for our kids, great for our students, but it's also great for the whole family. >> all right, wath cotikland mayor libby schaaf.

universal basic income for californians, you? we will talk to a local lawmaker about the big

universal basic income.basi. until the presidential campaign when andrew yang started talking about it, a lot of people had never heard of that, even though we have had some experiments of it in places, right? alaska has a version of it, basically everybody gets a basic income. just the government gives you cash. now i just got one step closer to becoming reality for californians, maybe not everybody, but maybe you. ab 65 passed through the revenue and taxation committee yesterday, but are you likely to get any money? joining us now to talk about the next steps and the details, silicon valley assembly member evan low, good to see you, thanks for joining us >> nice to see you. >> yeah, you are the co-author,

along with san francisco state senator scott weiner yesterday, the assembly revenue and taxation committee approved it. give us the details, how much money? who is eligible? when? >> yeah, these are important quons to k.time that the universal basic income in the state of california has actually passed out of a policy committee, frankly the first time that's ever been heard. this is a relatively newer concept with respect to the specifics on it, but it's exactly that as you imagined. how can every day californians benefit from basic income to know that they can put food on the table, especially during this covid pandemic, and as we get out of it, to have some certainty on paying rent and bills. all of these different notions, so the question then is, well, what we need to do to make sure that it is realistic, and that is, the large price tag. and through the legislative process, we are taking a look at how much would it cost? how does this potentially impact individuals who were already on other assistance programs, whether it be food, assistance programs that make

them ineligible, because they would then get this specific dollar amount to them. so we want to make sure that it is in addition to those programs. >> okay, tell me exactly what this means. i was reading up on the bill. you have to have lived in california for three years. not currently incarcerated, and you must earn 200% the median per capita income for the county. now, my math isn't actually that great. so you tell me what that actually means, give me an example. let's say you live in the bay area somewhere. >> let's say this, kristen. there have been estimates of close to $400 billion, in terms of the cost for the universal basic income. i see that base you have with respect to that cost. what i think is important is that we are having an honest conversation about a policy debate about what a universal basic income program would look like at the state level. now i'm ready to admit to you, i think this should be done on the federal level. nonetheless, it's important to be intellectually honest about

what a basic income looks like. kristen, we are seeing many iterations of this in san francisco, long beach, stockton, and many other cities. in terms of pilots. the conversation we're seeing here now, what would it look like? should we have a universal basic income in the state of california? >> okay, so this is a little different, right? from some of the pilots we have seen in stockton or oastockton where, you know, it was given to a very limited number of people and there was kind of a social equity, social justice, prioritizing either people of color or in san francisco's case, they think they were trying to get to low income mothers. this sounds like you are talking about getting it out to a lot of don't seem to be a lot of factors either. it is race or income level set pretty high. like you can make, you know, 200% of what the median is and still get it. >> that's right. that is adoration we had before us on universal basic income, which is that it is universal. some of these other pilots you

referenced include that of specifically targeting certain committees, whether or not it's for example in the county of santa clara. this is what it would look like you have a policy conversation on universal basic income, without any type of regard of the other characteristics. so that's what we are talking about. what is the price tag of universal basic income for every californian? and or, if we need to then pivot and narrow down to look at supporting other cities, in terms of being more narrow in scope, what would also look like as well? >> look, everybody likes the idea of getting money that they can spend on whatever their needs happen to be. let's say it cost $129 billion a year, where do you get that? does that come from companies? does that come from taxes, regular people? where does it >> it has to come from somewhere. we do not have the luxury of printing money overnight like the federal government does. we in the state of california

how to balance the budget. it would of course come with that of taxes somewhere. but that is the conversation, which is, where do we go? what we look for the revenue? does it come from corporation, does it come from individuals? where would it come from? again, this is the conversation about what that looks like. here's what i think is really important, let's have an honest conversation about it. you've heard many different proposals and it sounds great. but now that we are having a policy conversation about it, let's be real about how this is an addition or how this supplements other existing social safety net programs in the state of california. >> all right,

basic life issues, that's what we are talking about. >> assemblyman low, thank you so much. take good care, see you next time. >> always good to see you. and thank you for joining us on today's interactive show, getting answers. today, we cover the next apps when it comes to the recall

process for governor gavin newsom. and universal basic income, because a bill is moving its way through committees in california right now. you can find out more on the local impact and tonight, several headlines late today. the new guidance tonight on masks in america. the cdc saying fully vaccinated americans do not have to wear masks to take off the mask. president biden removing his mask, celebrating the new guidance. and urging those who haven't been vaccinated to get the shot to protect themselves and others. and the president thanking americans for getting us this far. and what he said about the fourth of july. the other news this tuesday night, the deadly police shooting of andrew brown jr. by deputies in north carolina. the new video tonight shared by the family's lawyer, showing

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