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♪ this is "nightline." tonight, face-to-face. biden and putin. their first summit. the u.s. president warning -- >> i did what i came to do. >> raising hot-button issues. missiles. hacking. trust. plus, worthy adversaries? putin deflecting on human rights. pressed by abc's rachel scott. >> the list of your plit can bo political opponents who are dead, it prisoned, my question is what are you afraid of? >> human rights is always going to be on the table, i told him. >> a thaw in chilled relations? >> "nightline" will be right back. ctual neuroscientist. and i love the science behind neuriva plus.
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♪ good evening. thank you for joining us. tonight they shook hand, they smiled. then president biden and his russian counterpart got down to business. abc's chief white house correspondent cecilia vega begins our coverage. >> reporter: good evening to you. before both men started this meeting they both said they agreed that u.s./russia relations were at an all-time
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low. by the time the day ended they had shaken hands, they called this summit productive, they said there was no hostility here in geneva. president biden said he didn'ted putin over election interference, over human rights, over alexei navalny and his fate. on cyber attacks the president said he did not issue threats but he warned putin the united states has significant cyber capabilities of its own, including giving russia a list of 16 important facilitiesnefac areas of critical infrastructure that should be off limits from attack, from energy sector to the water supply. >> thank you, cecilia. after meeting for several hours, joe biden and vladimir putin both calling the summit productive. >> president putin and i had -- share a unique responsibility, to manage the relationship between two powerful and proud countries. a relationship that has to be stable and predictable. >> translator: both sides
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expressed the intention to understand each other and to seek common ground. >> reporter: today's summit in geneva follows a long and unresolved list of grievances from russian cyber attacks -- >> the white house issuing that stern warning to russia. >> reporter: to meddling in u.s. elections -- >> we saw some foreign nations, russia and iran, attempt to probe for voter information -- >> reporter: americans stuck in russian jails on charges te deny -- >> i'm asking for help. >> reporter: repeated violations of human rights. the high-stakes face-to-face meeting the most anticipated of joe biden's young presidency, an opportunity to reset relations between the u.s. and russia, said to be at their lowest since the cold war. >> i think it went as planned. i think everybody played the role they wanted to play. joe biden came here wanting to set down some lines and tell vladimir putin what he thought, what he shouldn't do. vladimir putin wanted to do the same then, he wanted to appear
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in front of the world press, he did that. so i think in that sense, they got what they wanted. >> reporter: the two leaders came together at an 18th century villa the shores of lake geneva. the russian president known to make world leaders wait, arriving on time for this meeting. compare biden's approach to putin as compared to trump. >> donald trump, he loves that sort of back and forth with these guys, with a kim jong-un or a putin. >> and biden? >> i don't think biden is looking for a relationship. i think biden played absolutely out of a diplomatic playbook. he wanted to go in there, he wanted to tell vladimir putin what he intended to do, what he didn't want vladimir putin to do. >> reporter: one of the biggest issues before the meeting, american support for russian opposition leader alexei navalny. over the rhone river, protesters hung a banner with an unmistakable message, navalny
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poisoned, still no investigation, how come, president putin? abc's rachel scott explains what happened next. >> i'm standing in this long line, mostly members of the russian press corps, as well as some aides to the kremlin. when they turned around and saw that banner that was there, loud rumblings. people let out a loud sigh. i remember one of the russian press aides rolling her eyes. within a few minutes we saw a police boat arrive. it took that banner down. >> reporter: that image of navalny making a heart with his hands came from a gesture he made to his wife before he was led away to prison camp. in february the fierce putin critic was sentenced to 2 years 8 months for violating terms of probation from an old sentence in 2014. already found to be unjust by the european court of human rights. prison officials claimed he had violated parole by failing to check in on multiple occasions. including while he was in germany, recovering from the nerve agent poisoning that nearly killed him last august.
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but last week, a russian court outlawed navalny's group, branding it an extremist network. rachel scott was one of the few american journalists able to ask putin questions today. when she asked about human rights abuses, the russian president deflected repeatedly. >> the list of your political opponents who are dead, imprisoned, or jailed is long. alexei navalny, his organization called for free and fair elections, an end to corruption. mr. president, what are you so afraid of? >> translator: the organization that you mentioned has been -- has publicly called for a mass disorder. they have publicly called for breaking the law. america just recently had very severe events, well-known events after a killing, killing of an african-american. and an entire movement developed, known as black lives matter. i'm not going to comment on
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that. but here's what i do want to say. what we saw was disorder, destruction, violations of the law, et cetera. we feel sympathy for the united states of america, but we don't want that to happen on our territory. >> you didn't answer my question, sir. if all of your political opponents are dead, in prison, poisoned, doesn't that send a message that you do not want a fair political fight? >> translator: as for who is killing whom, throwing whom in jail, people came to the u.s. congress with political demands. 400 people. over 400 people had criminal charges placed on them. they face prison sentences of up to 20, maybe even 25 years. they're being called domestic terrorists. i'd like to stress once more that we sympathize with what happened in the united states, but we have no desire to allow
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the same thing to happen in our country. >> reporter: naturally, the president of the united states disagreed with that assessment. >> that's a ridiculous comparison. it's one thing for literally criminals to breakthrough cordon, go into the capitol, kill a police officer, and be held unaccountable, than it is for people objecting, marching on a capitol and saying, you are not allowing me to speak freely, you are not allowing me to do a, b, c, or d. so they're very different criteria. >> reporter: cyber attacks, another critical issue between the two countries. from russia's meddling in the last two presidential elections to its role in the 2020 solar winds hack, government systems, and other operations. >> russia seems to be first among equals when we're talking about the most critical threats that are being launched via the cyber front and whether it's the
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russian government or these criminal groups. >> reporter: today president biden relating that he confronted putin on the string of ransomware attacks, including oil giant colonial pipeline. >> i looked at him, i said, how would you feel if ransomware took on the pipelines from your oil he said, it wouldn't matter. >> reporter: the colonial breach caused the shutdown of more than 5,000 miles of pipeline along the east coast, leading to fuel shortages and panic at the pump. >> everywhere i go, it's bags over the gas pumps. >> reporter: even though putin continues to deny russia engages in cyber warfare, biden gave him a list of 16 critical infrastructure targets that he considers off limits. >> i pointed out to him, we have significant cyber capability. and he knows it. he doesn't know exactly what it is, but it's significant. if, in fact, they violate these basic norms, we will respond.
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i think that the last thing he wants now is a cold war. >> reporter: but there was one topic both sides seemed to agree on. a prisoner swap. >> translator: we discussed this. there could be some ground for compromise. both the ministry and the u.s. state department will work in this direction. >> we will follow through on this discussion. i am not going to walk away on this. >> reporter: two americans, marine veterans paul whelan and trevor reid, who claim they've been taken political hostages in russia, pleaded with president biden for their release ahead of today's summit. >> i've spent my life in the service of my country and i would appreciate it if my country would help to bring me home. >> i implore you to bring this appalling case of hostage diplomacy to an end. >> reporter: wheelan arrested in 2018, allegedly for spying, found guilty of espionage, and
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sentenced to 16 years behind bars. >> i am from abc news, do you want to say something? >> i don't think they want me to say anything. >> reporter: a year later, reid was arrested after a drunken night out, charged with assaulting two police officers and sentenced to nine years in prison. >> i have no idea what their motives would be, but this is clearly political. >> reporter: but today the 29-year-old's parents are pleased biden brought up their son with putin. >> it's huge. and i just hope that it continues on, the momentum continues, then we have the last big, final step for him to come home. >> reporter: one step forward in what may be a long road. it's a sentiment the american president seems to agree on. >> this is about how we move from here. we'll find out. within the next six months to a year, whether or not we actually have a strategic dialogue that matters. >> president biden cambering gifts, presenting president putin with a crystal bison, as
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izger. sarah, this is your first night on "nightline," we're honored to have you. rahm, joe biden has called vladimir putin a worthy adversary. how did biden do today? >> well, first of all, i think you have to put the trip within the context of the whole week. and i think it was a very good week for the president. and it made americans feel good about themselves. domestically it was very good. i think our relationships, it was very good. he got nato to endorse a series of things that he had been pushing, showing again that america can lead the coalition on both russia, china, and other issues. i think sitting with putin, i think the biggest thing i would say today that was very important is he -- i'm surprised nobody followed up on this. here are the 16 things that if you touch these sectors in a cyber attack, you will have a response. he drew red lines around a cyber attack. that had never really been done yet by a president of the united states. >> sarah, certainly muscular
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words from the president today. who do you think won, or can each side claim progress? >> vladimir putin wants to be considered an equal of the united states and china. so getting to sit down with a president of the united states, as he's gotten to do with past presidents as well, that is his win. that's all he needs. biden, unfortunately for him, has a much, much higher bar to claim a win. you know, as rahm said, he can talk tough, he can set these red lines. but all that's doing is setting up what will biden do the next time there's a cyber attack? and there will be a next time. >> rahm, putin said he saw some, quote, glimmer of trust today. a lot of american presidents have met with putin, some making progress, others not. do you see any glimmers of trust ater today? >> i would not measure this by a singular meeting, i would measure this of what comes out of the meeting, working groups, et cetera. again, sarah's right, there will be another attack. the real measure will be about a year from now, we'll know
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whether there are glimmers of hope, levels of trust. i think the main thing to be honest, putin now has a predictable, seasoned political team. he can't do -- run circles around like he did around donald trump, as you saw in helsinki. to me the measure of this will be a year from now when we look in the rear-view mirror, this was the beginning of something different. >> sarah, in talking about these cyber attacks, the president put down a red line. do you think that it's something that putin will honor, or as you said, it's his style to always kind of push the envelope? >> no, i do not putin will honor that. he is testing biden. and the question will be, does biden do more than what president trump did? it's interesting, if you look back at the trump years, trump's rhetoric was very pro-russia, putin-friendly. but what the trump administration actually did was they sanctioned russia over and over again, they had statements of condemnation from the state department, the department of justice when i was there indicted 12 russian intelligence
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officers for their election interference, for hacking the democratic national committee, hillary clinton's campaign. what is the biden presidency, what is the biden administration planning to do that is more than that, that will see results that the trump administration frankly didn't see? >> the way i would measure this, and i would take a look right now, is that they've met each other the first time. you've got 16 measures. if, in fact, putin -- i don't believe putin wants to be on the outside. the worst thing that happened was getting kicked out of the g8. the worst thing is also being seen as ostracized in europe, seen as a dysfunctional force. he has major problems in syria, got a problem with turkey, being sucked into what's happening in libya. he does want this acceptance, as sarah noted, but it's not just a meeting. he didn't get everything out of it. he got the first step of, you can be an illegitimate player and seen around the world as somebody who kills people,
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ransom attacks, cyber attacks, et cetera. or you can be part of the legitimate world countries and powers that are respected and also part of that system. the president puts real guardrails and told him, and the follow-through is going to be a big piece of this. >> sarah, we'll close out tonight with you. while putin likes to think russia is a big player in the international scene, isn't china a much bigger threat and do you think biden considers this a warmup for negotiations with china's president? >> i absolutely think that his team sees this as the opening gambit, a practice run, if you will. if you're in the "rocky" movie, this is the guy rocky fights early on to see if he can beat him. china is the big adversary. xi has far more tricks up his sleeve and far more pieces he can move on this puzzle that are more dangerous and more adversarial to american interests than putin. so how biden is able to deal with putin, a fairly one-dimensional player, will be the practice run for how he
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deals with xi, which is three-dimensional chess, absolutely. putin has issues in ukraine that biden needs to deal with. that is frankly far, far easier than dealing with taiwan, than dealing with the genocide that is happening with the uighurs, compared to putin's human rights violations. so i hope that the biden team got their sea legs under them this time, because there are much bigger things up ahead. >> sarah, welcome to "nightline." thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. the bill is passed. >> coming up, days before the anniversary, a new holiday.
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