>> building a better bay area, this is abc 7 news. >> i am kristen z. you are watching "getting answers" live wherever you stream. we are asking experts to get answers for you in real time. we want to start by showing you a live look from sky seven. look at this black smoke. this is coming from the chevron refinery in richmond. we can see the flaring, as well. we are checking with the refinery and officials to see if this is the "standard flaring," or if there is something else going on. ntes, itsecau there disruption, some

power or equipment issue. that said, we normally don't see it like this, such black smoke that is very heavy. we will get more on this and continue to follow it during this program and abc seven news at 4:00. we want to take you back to today's program and take a closer look at the governors recall, the implications, and why the one in california is unique. broadway is back in the bay area. hamilton debuts tonight, and we are looking at the safety protocols and what else we can expect with the return of theater performances, but first, vaccine ethics with boosters and shots for kids not yet approved for those under. 12 many americans are wrestling with ethical questions. should they bend the truth or lie to get a vaccine? joining us to explore what is ethical is dr. annette regan, assistant professor at the

university of san francisco school of nursing and health professions. thank you for your time. >> thank you for having me. kristin: is it ever ok to lie to get a vaccine? >> i think the answer is simply no. the reason is for multiple reasons. one, there are processes in place that tell you when it is time to get a vaccine, and those processes for booster doses are not in place yet. i think there are moral issues with lying to get a vaccine, considering a large portion of the world is still unvaccinated. kristin: this is very true, but right now, you are looking at the situation going well. my kid is almost 12. that is one scenario, and most likely, under 12's will be

approved in a few weeks. we have a lot of supply. what is wrong with fibbing? >> that's a really good question, a fair point, but again, we do have policies in place and procedures in place for the point we would make that recommendation for younger children to get vaccinated. we are really talking about, as you mentioned, the trials are underway at pfizer and moderna, and we are looking at most likely having a vaccine for children five to 11 later in the year. it's a matter of waiting a little bit until your child is eligible. kristen: i know people are wrestling with this. i know doctors who have done this, who have gotten the "booster." it has not been approved yet, but in san francisco, they are

giving people who got the johnson & johnson supplemental shots, if they got it in san francisco, and you are thinking, i live so close to san francisco. if they say it's ok, why isn't it ok for me to fudge things a little especially if i am immunocompromised were taking care of a child who can't get the vaccine? >> another great question and reasonable for people to be wondering. there's been a lot of mixed messages around booster doses. we are still not there with the evidence that we need a booster dose, and once we are there, the cdc will come forward with recommendation recommending a third dose. we are just not there yet. i don't think there is a need to go out and fab or try to procure that third dose. the data are showing you are

protected if you have those doses of pfizer or the one dose of janssen. kristen: it seems like the ethical debate is murkier than it was six months ago. we looked at wealthy people lying about having a medical condition or flying to a small town in alaska. does it seem like those decisions are getting tougher and murkier? >> at a local level, no. vaccines are available. we are fortunate to live in a country where vaccines are available to us, and our issue is encouraging people who are hesitant or have reservations about getting the vaccine, to get them vaccinated. i think for the the the the is when we take a step back and look at the global picture.

there are countries having issues getting access to a covid vaccine. kristen: the who has said, wealthy countries, hold off on the boosters until more people can get vaccinated, but the, we can do both. we can get our own people vaccinated and donate. if supplied, especially if you look at what we have here, saying it might expire, what do you say to that? >> if the issue comes downsue cn we have the supply in other countries, that removes that moral implication. i don't know if that is the case considering immunization rates are so low. another issue is the fact that, like i said, when i was

referring to those processes, we don't have the data to show what that third dose would do. we do have that process in place where the fda would review safety and efficacy data and make the recommendation you should have that third dose. if you go out and get that, chances are you would be fine. logistical issues people should consider? you mentioned these side effects. what about things like insurance. let's say you lied to, and later, it got tracked back to you. could you be hit with a massive bill? >> it is unclear what would happen at this stage, but technically, a third dose because we don't have those policies in place would not be

covered under insurance or other medical provisions. that is definitely a possibility if a company were able to figure out that you managed to get this third dose outside of the recommendations. kristen: what about this situation? you are a teenager, and you want to get the vaccine, but your parents will not sign off on it. >> that is another great ethical issue. now that we are starting to immunize younger and younger, there's been a move by pediatricians to support children being able to make those decisions for themselves. at present, it is still up to parental authorization. there is support to allow adolescence to choose for themselves. kristen: ethical decisions in the field of medicine is not always easy, but we thank you for having this conversation and

giving us something to think about. thank you so much, dr. annette regan. coming up next, we are going to break down everything surrounding the governor newsom recall. do you understand how the ballot and your checkmarks?might work is this a normal way

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geico. saving people money on more than just car insurance. kristen: ballots for the recall of governor newsom have been sent out, and you should be getting yours soon. governor newsom isnt polw he's g just above even among likely voters. he told some democratic women those who think this thing is not close, it is, but faced with

an important decision, many voters don't understand how recall voting works. joining us is a senior fellow at the institute for governor reform and the author of the recall election's blog. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. kristen: there's a lot of confusion over how this ballot works. walk us through the questions voters will see on their ballot. >> it is a pretty simple process. the first is, should gavin newsom be recall the echo there is a second question that is the replacement candidate. if newsom is recall the, who gets the most votes wins.

thththththththth doesn't count. 50% plus one, then whoever gets the most votes out of the 46 candidates becomes governor? what if that person only got 10% or 8%? >> that person could get twowowo point 17%. newsom could outperform the replacement, but he would still be out. we've seen that pretty recently in 2018 when state senator josh newman faced recall in orange county. he vastly performed the replacement candidate. kristen: hasasasas format always been like this, and is this typical or atypical when you look across the country? >> it's not atypical. there are three different types

of recall formats generally. there's california's, which colorado has, which was done the same day. a number of other states have second day replacement votes so you remove the person, and then you have an election and replacement. in some states, that candidate could run as the replacement. on local levels, that person performs themselves. the other models are a new election where it's like, this person is facing a recall, but it's a new race. the third model, which oregon has, michigan has for governor, and a number of other places have, you would replace the candidate with whoever is next in line. it could be a new election, but

in this case, the lieutenant governor would step into the governorship, but california doesn't have that law. kristen: it does seem like based on what you described that our format -- how should i put this -- it's an easier, lower threshold for recalling someone. it is easier to get recalled. >> in some ways, it may be. it does not seem that way in colorado necessarily, which has the same format, but newsom is essentially running against himself, and that makes it more challenging for him to run a campaign rather than against a specific adversary who he could compare and contrast himself with. kristen: the other people who would be governors, they have not been facing the same scrutiny. they have not had to go head-to-head.

i'm wondering, gray davis was recalled and gave us governor schwarzenegger, where there calls to change this method? >> there are always calls to change every method. there were calls to change this in 1914. there's been discussion of changing. there have been 55 attempts. i'm not sure if it is that big of a difference maker, however, if he is removed and comes back next year and wins reelection, maybe they will change this law. kristen: some democrats have said, this is the only way in a state so democratic that a republican could get in, but

democrats have held that the legislature for quite some time. is this not something the legislature could change if they wanted to? >> i believe they would need to have a constitutional amendment for this. kristen: they have the numbers, don't they? they have the numbers. >> this may require some sort of initiative. make these changes. does that matter too much? would they rather have the blowback, or would they rather keep moving forward and hope that this was a unique event? kristen: let's talk about that. is recall will most likely be a republican because there is no democrat on that list. it is probably going to be larry elder who is a talk show

host. what does it mean if you have a republican in that office? people think of the things the governor normally does, and it lets say they get unhappy with how he's handled covid, but what are some things a governor has power over that people don't think about that perhaps they should as they are deciding? >> the big one will be all the appointments, specifically the big concern has been, let's say something happens with dianne feinstein, or she steps down. i assumed the democrats could change that law quickly, and they would if newsom is out. there's a lot of different control over the state regulatory body, appointments

that newsom and any governor has. having a super majority in both houses of the legislature limits that. california also has positions. these are limiting factors for any governor. plus, the fact that he or she would be in office for a year, a little more than a year at most. kristen: then they would have to be in the general election. the governor's supporters are telling voters to say no to the first question and then leave the second one blank. why are they advocating that? >> i think they don't want to confuse people. just vote no is basically the question. last time, there was a candidate who ran, lieutenant governor buster montaigne, and his

campaign slogan was, no on recall. they would rather have the simple line. your time. we appreciate your information and knowledge. >> thanks a lot. kristen: you know it is exciting? broadway is back in the bay area. hamilton makes its debut

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i know what i hamilton fan you are, and hamilton is a very exciting show. this is the only place in the entire western hemisphere to see hamilton. we are the first broadway show to resume touring, and they chose san francisco because we have done such a great job with covid. they know they can do this responsibly, and our audiences will be responsible, as well. kristen: i know you put a lot of thought into covid protocols. what will you accept? tell us about that. >> we are a vaccinated facility. we ask that everyone be vaccinated. we know that many people are still not eligible for the vaccine, especially children between the ages of five and 12, and some people have had trouble getting it, or they have some reasons why they haven't gotten

it. we really don't want anyone to miss the opportunity to see anyone, but we want to make sure it is a very safe space. the other thing is, everyone is wearing masks. we did a dress rehearsal the other day in which we had a lot of first responders, and i wore the mask throughout. no one even thought twice about it. if you think you are afraid to come to the theater because of the mask or the mandate, we have thought carefully about how to do this safely. we work with the actors unions and stagehand unions, as well as the great community in the bay in order to find the best procedures forward. kristen: that's great.

masks, can they come out when people are drinking or eating a snack? >> we do see alcohol alcohol drinks and food, and we know people take them off. we ask that people do it in a respectful way, they remove it, take a sip, and put it back on. we have people who are gently reminding you, and based on our first day of the dress rehearsal, there were no problems. everyone understands understands predicament we are in, and everyone is here to support us and make sure it works. kristen: did you look at the vaccination rates and the situation in san francisco on making the decision to bring it back? >> absolutely. we knew there was no way we

could do it without san francisco reaching at least and of course, san francisco is at more than 80% with the entire bay area at more than 70%. we feel confident that means we could reopen. all the actors, everyone who works there have all been vaccinated. anyone in contact with the actors and he casted themselves are tested frequently. there is no access to them. it's about making sure they can perform this safely, as well as for the audience to feel safe. kristen: i was going to ask you about the cast and crew. i know you are at full capacity. are there tickets available tonight? >> you can find tickets at broadwaysf.com. tickets start at $49 for hamilton. people were under the assumption that hamilton is thousands of

double -- thousands of dollars, and yes, you can pay a higher price for the best seat in the house. kristen: i was going to ask you if the lottery is still around. are there ticket sales at the window, or do you have to purchase in advance? >> a read about that. kristen:kristen: don't throw away your shot. go see hamilton to

tonight, the stunning fall. new york governor andrew cuomo revealing he will resign. governor cuomo before the cameras today after the state attorney general's report accusing him of sexually harassing 11 women. his regularing nation effective in 14 days. tonight, what the governor said about the allegations. what he said to the 11 women. and what he said about his own daughters. also, who is the lieutenant governor about to lead new york state? she will make history. also tonight, major news on the pandemic. weeaed just day that the number of children with covid edtimes hhe tn just a . month ago. thousands of children returning to school in florida and in texas, where some school leaders are now defying their governors