>> i know joe rogan was treated, but i don't know if he was trying to get tricky with one more thing. so, it is a little tricky. i do not think it he percent of americans have some immunity. in the end, i will choose be, although you could have gotten tricky. let's go with b. let me give viewers one more second. it is all over the place. two with b is the lie. >> a is the lie. your initial instinct was correct. the reason why i had to bring up joe is because in the past he

had downplayed the importance of getting a vaccination. he was treated with monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin and steroids. ivermectin is not approved. he was also treated with non-fda approved -- groups and a "vitamin" grid. people who look up to him on social media are saying look, joe beat the virus. yet, those people don't have access to this type of health care as joe rogan. the safe thing to do is to prevent getting covid-19 and get vaccinated. >> can i just ask you something. that kind of treatment he got, how much does that cost? not to him, he is not getting the bill, but to the health care system? how much does it cost? >> this is going to cost thousands of dollars. the health care system itself, if you have insurance you are covered.

in order to get monoclonal antibodies and steroids, which are treatments for covid-19, that is an iv infusion. you might be in the health care setting where it is thousands of dollars. ivermectin, not approved at all, is going to cost a lot of money. if you are to get it prescribed for scabies, or if you are cattle. these off label drips cost hundreds of dollars. even if you looked at the medications actually indicated, that is expensive. it baffles my mind how some people out there trust these medications and iv infusions more than something that has been studied so extensively over the past year and a half based on technology that has been around for two decades. that is the kind of communication we are up against. i hope people like joe come out and speak about what they know actually works and try to reach their viewers where they are and not where they want to be.

it is important we make a quick nod -- and this is a blood survey done by the cdc and a lot of it doesn't count, but it also doesn't count for natural immunity. natural immunity is real, it is not something people want to encourage. c is a horrific real fact, more children are getting infected. >> that is a sad number. but, it is true. that was a tricky one. you had us thinking. let's talk about a new variant. it became of concern this week. dr. out she said it does not -- dr. fauci said it does not pose an immediate threat. >> it is still a very small amount of cases worldwide. where there who is tracking it right now is in south america. mainly colombia and ecuador, someone can fact check me on that. down there, there is still

preliminary data but the concern is these two mutations may make it more contagious like the delta variant, or it could give it the ability to evade our immune systems. and antibodies we get from the vaccination. that is of concern, but the theoretical concern has been another variant could show up. six months ago we didn't know the delta variant would rather just. -- rather just. -- ravage's. >> too soon to tell if this is the strain that is going to do what we feared, which is that it will become vaccine resistant. too soon to tell. >> too soon to tell. >> how much longer until we have a better understanding? >> i do not have an exact timeline, but i was reading there was supposed to be preliminary data and i think the

real concern now is if we are looking at a population that does not have a high level of vaccination, such as south america, these variants could spread. any variant is just a flight away. the variant was reported in -- countries because of flight. in this country, we have less than 50% of the country not fully vaccinated as well. there is no guarantee your natural immunity is going to protect you against another variant. it is a precarious situation. we know what to do and we know what could go wrong. >> mu in 31 countries. i wonder if we could reach a point where the virus would stop mutating and there won't be anymore variants. or my fear is we will run out of the greek alphabet. >> i hope we don't run out. if you look at numbers right now

across the world, there is some early sign that we might be hitting the peak, or on a downtrend with delta. >> can you say that again? it makes me happy. >> we are looking at the rate of hospitalizations across the world. people still don't have a great answer. the good news out of india, hospitalizations went down. is a possible that some of this is because of restrictions? vaccinations plus natural immunity? it is. but again, when we have waning immunity -- we still have a lot of people out there who are not protected including young children. the next variant could show up and reverse all of the progress we have made. that is something we are concerned about. >> we got to talk about vaccines for children and testing in schools. 45 seconds, can you answer your questions? >> bring it on.

>> how do they know the difference between regular covid and a variant? >> in lehman stearns -- lehman's terms, they are looking at the virus and they are able to tell the difference between different mutations by looking at different parts of the spike protein. >> can you ask dr. patel, i asked the vet -- i received the vaccine july 1, how long should i wait for a booster? i am in my 60's. >> she said she got it in april, that means the six month mark will be october. i would chat with your health professionals because recommendations may range from five to eight months. we may have more data in september, but if you are going to get a booster i would plan for six months.

that is an educated guess. >> we got two of those and we have more that we will do on facebook while we take a break. when we come back, more covid as well as the new abortion restrictions and

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>> we are back with special correspondent dr. patel. not in his regular spot because his baby is trying to sleep. that takes precedent that's the way it should be. >> she kicked me out. >> what are you going to do? right? let's get to new information on covid-19 with two truths and a lie round two.

>> i got tricky again. tell me which one of these is not true. a one study comparing antibodies after vaccination shows pfizer reduced twice as many antibodies -- produced twice as many as modernity? b, -- orc, data from t t t t t t of mask effectiveness just came out from bangladesh. which of those is not true. >> ok. so. you mixed in an abortion question. >> i did. >> my mind was on covid. i did see there was a study on mask effectiveness. i am sure you will explain that but it is good news for masking. i am going to rule that out. i also think it is true only

about 1% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks. i think the majority is -- i mean, that's the second trimester but late. so. i guess i will say a is false because i think moderna produced more antibodies. let's see. there are all these different studies. people are saying b and a equal numbers. let's go with a. >> you got it right. a is not true. i flipped them around. it was moderna. one study showed it had produced almost twice the amount of antibodies as pfizer. this is not by any means mean people should say oh my gosh, mayor turner is so much more effective. this is just one study. it is important as we try to look at antibody levels if that has anything to do with vaccine

effectiveness in the future. an interesting study to look at. the largest randomized clinical trial ever done about mask effectiveness did show that masks work. specifically surgical masks. the study not only saw symptoms reduced, but they confirmed it with blood tests. that is good news from any but -- for anybody out there who has run into an angry family member who says masks doesn't work. it was important we bring in just one abortion topic there is this belief across the internet where people believe that these are third trimester, late pregnancies. there have been misconceptions that when babies are almost ready to be born, they are all of a sudden terminated where the

reality is the overwhelming percentage of medical abortions are done early on in pregnancy. i feel like reciting -- after 21 weeks columns down fears for a lot of people out there. >> looked, it has been a long time since i have had my kids. i seem to remember it was around the 14 or 15 week mark where you get the test to see if the baby is healthy. is that right? if that is when you are getting important data about your baby, it seems this talk of timing, this six weeks like with the texas law says, after that, someone can sue you. so at six weeks, what does the mother really know about the fetus? where is the fetus at in development? >> in many cases, people don't even know they are pregnant at six weeks. six weeks is very early.

people who are in favor of the texas law were are antiabortion and they say at six weeks there is a heartbeat, let's get scientific. at six weeks you have a collection of cells that are literally a tube that will eventually turn into a hard. the tube has electrical impulses we can detect with advanced ultrasound. that is being called a heart eat and that is what people are using to say it is a human life. i understand that is confusing for some to understand but people often don't even know they are pregnant. they don't know about their situation. this affects many many people out there and there are medical indications it could jeopardize the mother's life, which is a clause in the texas law, but what is not included is rape, incensed, severe -- fetal anomalies, severe fetal

issues that may give your baby terrible quality of life. your baby may die soon after. i have personally seen cases of that and that is something that is absent in the discussion and the law as it stands in texas. >> that conversation is nowhere near over. it is going to be making headlines across the u.s. for a long time. i want to go back to covid. you mentioned the bangladesh masking study, which was interesting. i want to ask, in terms of masking, is it good enough in a crowded place? i was in a movie theater, indoors, i saw the wonderful -- and everybody had masks on, but there were people i wonder what my risk is. i never want to say anything, i don't confront people, but is the risk great? >> there are so many variables

to talk about. everything happening right, vaccination rates, people wearing masks correctly, those are all levels of layered protection. that people would be wearing masks appropriately, you are not only protecting yourselves, but potentially others. in those situations where you are wearing your mask, vaccinated, doing what you can and you are concerned because of your own situation, you try to put space between you and another person who may be in an enclosed space. i'm hoping that theater has good air circulation, but these are things to take into account as we venture back to indoor spaces. i am thankful to be in the bay area where scientific compliance is high and people have more of a sense of community than other parts of the country. >> the cdc said try not to

travel this weekend and do not travel if you are not vaccinated. is that because of a danger in flying, or is it actually where you are going? >> when we talk about flying, you have to wear a mask. obviously those little fist fight videos are showing up. a lot of it has to do with where you are traveling to end all the potential points of contact to the actual fright that flight. when you are leaving the airport , where are you going? it is just safer for people who are unvaccinated who have a much higher chance of catching it, 10 times higher, and spreading it to somebody else, just stay put. if you're going to travel, or have to travel, pay attention to what transmission looks like and where you're going and whom you are seeing and what they are.

>> thank you so much. i feel like recovered so much ground and you did it with a crying ab next-door. good job. >> i feel like i talked a lot. thank you for your patience. >> always great talking to you. we will see you next time. >> up next, we talk with a caldor fire evacuee who works as a forestry advisor after my car accident,

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>> welcome back. tens of thousands remain evacuated out of south lake tahoe and surrounding areas. we heard from one evacuee yesterday and we will talk with another who has a job relevant to this. susie kosher is a forestry advisor for the university of california cooperative extension. did i get your last name right? >> cooker.

>> thank you. especially since were good enough to make the time for us. before we get to evacuees was that experience like? >> i have been watching this fire for several weeks. i have actually been prepping my property and packing for a week and a half. i have to say, i felt ready. i still waited a few hours after the order and went in the afternoon. it was very orderly. there was lots of police presence. i would say tahoe locals are used to terrible traffic and it did not seem worse than your average ski weekend. >> the circumstances are different. i should mention, this is your second time in a month escaping from fire. you had to get out of the way of the dixie fire. you work as a professional forester and we need to make peace with fire.

what do you mean? >> fire can be a very useful tool for managing forests. we have, for a hundred years, considered fire something we want to keep out. during terrible weather conditions, i agree, but during the late fall, winter and spring, those are great times to use fire to burn combustible materials and keep the forest healthier. >> that choice was not made. for like 150 years. there are economic choices that lead to but -- led to the forest becoming denser. give us more examples. >> is a fire dependent state. we have had fires here for millennia.

native people use to manage forests in the sierra nevada using prescribed fire, and also not suppressing fire. for 10,000 years, our landscape was managed using fire as a tool. as colonization, that practice was stopped and prescribed fire was outlawed in the 1920's. around the 1910s, the forest service was created to help suppress fire. for over 100 years, in a lot of areas burning now have never burned. in the past, they would have burned at lower elevation every eight years. the tahoe basin, 10 to 15 years and cleaned out the understory of too many small trees or vegetative debris. >> basically by -- >> by not allowing the good

fires, we are making it so that it is only bad fires? what is the solution now? >> the solution is to manage the landscape. reintroduce fire, mechanical methods we can use. cutting trees and getting rid of fuel on the forest floor. some of that has been happening but it has not been happening at the scale it needs to. especially with climate change and that we have way more hazardous fire weather. >> thank you. don't go away.

>> thank you for joining us. we will be here every weekday -- at 3 tonight, the rescues still under way at this hour. the historic floods and tornadoes slamming the northeast. the death toll growing tonight. and we have just learned at least seven confirmed tornadoes now. new york and new jersey declaring states of emergency tonight. the staggering images, up to a foot of rain falling in some areas. tonight, more than 40 people killed in the storms that hit new york and the northeast. the storms came through violently. new york city issuing its first ever flash flood emergency. highways suddenly under water. drivers in their cars suddenly floating. vehicles abandoned, cared marked with xs tonight where authorities have checked for people inside. police rescuing a driver trapped on a flooded road in new york's central park. the city's subways halted, submerged.