the scene up at the church was to be done. >> ready, and action. >> i let go of the hammer. bang, the gun goes off. >> there was a shot. there shouldn't have been a shot because they were dummy rounds, and then there was a scream. >> oh, by god, what is that? halyna has instantly fallen back. >> i notice this bunch of roses right in the spot where halyna was when she was shot. >> none of us can process that there was a live bullet even on set. >> where did the live round come from? >> you've already heard alec baldwin speak. now, what do other on the set and those in the know have to

say. >> two other people that inspected the loaded firearm, hannah gutierrez and david halls. >> sabotage is the most likely possibility. >> this was not sabotage. this was incompetence. >> so, when someone dies -- >> i have been toll it's highly unlikely i would be charged with anything criminally. >> i can't control what he says or what he believes but i know we have not ruled out anyone. >> the sad thing is there have been other accidental deaths on movies. >> such a horrific tragedy of someone losing their life again. >> it would be a cold start on the day, but we'll also have plenty of sunshine. high in altitude. 56 degrees. santa fe, 63. >> bonanza creek ranch in santa fe, new mexico, is a long-time location for shooting

films. several thousand acres, a number of buildings, lots of great views -- all the things that people come to new mexico to shoot for. >> it's used for a lot of westerns. >> if you go back and look at different movies, you can see, like, oh, yeah, that's -- that looks like bonanza creek ranch. one thing you notice just as you're getting off the highway is there are these yellow corrugated plastic crew signs everywhere kind of dotting the desert landscape, letting you know this production this way or this production this way. >> "rust" is a classic western. >> the story is about this gristled outlaw named harland rust and that was the character played by alec baldwin. >> i read it and i said, i love it. i love it.

>> from the jump, baldwin knew that he wanted to be the star in it, and he's also a producer. >> this was a real passion project. >> the ranch will become the meeting point for 75 crew members, 22 principal actors, and hundreds of extras, and they're all converging on set with the singular goal of making the movie "rust." >> the first days on just about any set are exciting. >> my first day on set, i'm like truly living a western dream. getting to be in my full cowboy garb and riding a horse and watching stunts happen. >> three, two, one! >> we're out here making a western. that's classic cinema right there. and i know halyna shared that. >> halyna hutchins is the cinematographer. >> halina hutchins was born in ukraine 42 years ago. >> make sure we don't see people

walking around, like walking there. >> she originally was an investigative journalist before turning to cinematography. >> halyna's instagram bio reads, restless dreamer. adrenaline junkie. cinematographer. she's married and they have a 9-year-old son. you can see them on her husband's instagram. >> in 2015, she graduated from afi, american film institute. and then a few years later in 2019 was listed as a cinematographer on the rise. >> yeah, it's a passion for sure. >> yeah. >> once you get the bug, you can't get out of it. >> i wrote and directed a movie called "archenemy," and halyna was my cinematographer on that film. halyna's confidence was a kind of, like, quiet self-assurance. she would laugh a lot. she was very sort of calculating, collected person who also had a deep reservoir of emotions.

>> let's continue with that. >> she was, you know, working really hard to establish herself in the film industry and in particularly really a male-dominated branch of the film industry. >> setting up this one here. start a couple steps further. >> there's this one image i have in my head i think of a lot. she wanted to see what was behind a very high up window. so she sat on the shoulders of a tall camera department guy. it was a superhero movie. and she looks -- she looked just a little bit like a superhero herself. in my mind there was always, like, a spotlight on her whenever she was around everybody else. after "archenemy" came out, i was getting a lot of calls from people saying, can you put me in touch with halyna? we want her. >> "rust" was a big break. and it was an opportunity for

her to just show how good she was. >> halyna was very gifted and she had a vision and she knew what she wanted. and she commands the room. >> she would sometimes reach out and grab my arm and pull me over in front of the monitor and be like, look, look how good they look. she just seemed to think that every single person here was here to create this dream, and that excitement was infectious. >> also on set there's director joel souza and assistant director dave halls. and also first camera assistant lane luper who meets halyna for the first time on this project. >> we became friends pretty quickly. >> describe that working relationship between the head of the camera department and the cinematographer of a film. >> it's basically myself, the camera operators, and halyna all creating the frame. her friend serge was the gaffer of the movie, handling the lighting and everything, and i'm there to handle the camera for her. so it's kind of like a -- it's a very close knit team.

>> i know halyna maybe five, six years something. we understand each other. we trust each other. we have maybe same vision. >> film sets are instant community. and "rust" was more tight-knit than most films i've worked on. very, very quickly we became each other's family away from home. >> this is a $7.5 million movie. it is the catering budget on a d.c. comics movie, okay. >> and part of the low budget nature of this film, they were trying to do more with less. producers even combining some crew roles for people. >> they were insisting upon having one person do two very important jobs. the armorer role, taking care of the guns and ammunition, and then they wanted that person to also be an assistant prop person.

>> and this was a western, so there were a lot of firearms in this movie. that's a lot of responsibility. >> the person who's hired as both the armor and the prop assistant is a young woman who's just starting out in her career named hanna guitterez reed. >> hannah was only 24, so being the lead armorer on a movie is a big role. her dad is a man named thell reed, who is a very well-known gunslinger in hollywood. he's especially known for something called the quick draw. >> he demonstrated his quick draw ability in a video about the making of "django unchained." >> as you can see it doesn't take much time to get them out and fire. >> hannah gutierrez reed has spent her life watching her father handle and oversee the use of firearms on any number of movies. >> she's been raised around gun safety and all that stuff from when she was a little girl. she's so safe with the guns. the way she handles them, it's just -- i don't have to worry about anything when i got her on the set. >> you trust her on your sets? >> any set.

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when you're working on a movie set, every single moment counts. >> moviemaking in some ways is a race against the clock. you only have a certain number o days and a certain amount of money. "rust" is scheduled to be a 21-day shoot. >> what does that demand you do? you have to be efficient. you have to be efficient. >> halyna was so intense and so full of energy and so passionate. >> she would get it in her mind how she wanted it to look, and we'd work to get her what she wanted. >> she had that intensity. every day you went to work, she

would say, good morning. how are you? how was your evening? boom. it was small talk, go. we weren't gonna hang out and chit chat or whatever. she knew that the clock was the enemy and we have to move forward. >> i felt like it was a good pace for the level of the budget that we had. it ran smoother than anything of that budget i've ever been involved with. it really did. >> but some crew members said the production felt rushed. >> the tone on set was like, we need to go now, now, now. it just was a beat the clock kind of thing. >> i arrived on the 11th. i had dinner with halyna. >> baldwin posts a video of himself on instagram shortly after he arrived on set. >> i want to say i look at myself in the reflection of this and i'm really kind of appalled. it's appalling. but we're here shooting a film. we start tomorrow, and no, i'm not playing santa claus.

on the 12th i had a safety demonstration with hannah reed, the armorer. we spent an hour and a half shooting the pistol, her giving me all her safety instructions. >> we were told by several members of the crew that hannah sometimes had the guns in her waistband or she would carry them underneath her armpits. now, this is a young woman who was around guns her whole life. but for other members of the crew, this was sort of alarming. >> hannah's lawyer tells abc, it's not unusual for armorers to carry firearms like this to various places on set as they need to. he says there was never a safety issue with hannah's carrying of the firearms. >> did you think she was up to the job? >> i assumed because she was there and she was hired she was -- she was up for the job. >> and nothing she did raised any red flags with you? >> no. >> the second week of filming, some members of the crew said they were starting to have concerns with how weapons were being handled on the set. >> saturday, october 16th, was a big day on set. there were several major

shootouts scheduled to be filmed that day. and in the midst of that, there were two accidental discharges. >> the prop master, sarah zachary, was loading the gun. the gun was pointed down, and it went off in her hands. >> it definitely caused a commotion on set. several people i talked to described it as something that upset people. there was, you know, a sound, and it was unexpected. >> there is no projectile in the gun. it's just a bang and some smoke. sarah did self-report when it happened. >> there was another accidental discharge on this saturday, and alec baldwin's stunt double had this misfire with a gun. >> when you hear about something like two accidental discharges of weapons, guns going off, that's serious business. >> the "rust" production team told abc news, the safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of rust productions. "rust" producers say they never

received any official complaints regarding weapons or prop safety on set. >> "rust" productions declined to comment specifically on the accidental discharges. >> i never saw anything that was, in my mind, unsafe ever. >> i felt safe on the set. every time i was handling a gun, every time i was on set, i felt safe. i had to have a gun in every scene. i always had it in my holster. in every scene, 'cause we're cowboys. >> during the second week of filming that an issue with hotels comes up for the crew, because they're pulling what they feel like are some very long days on the set. >> they went to the production, to talk about this so that after 12-hour days, they didn't have to drive for like dozens and dozens of miles just to get back to somewhere where they could put their head down for just a few hours, to then have to get back up again and go right back to work. >> my drive to set was 75 miles a day each way every day. it was never a problem. the work schedule, the ins, the

outs, when we would come in in the morning, when we left, it was really never a problem. there was nothing about the schedule that was grueling. >> the "rust" productions team told abc news that they're confident that they provided hotels when they were required. >> this issue of the hotel rooms became such a divisive issue. >> on sunday, the crew's call time was noon. they were there till 1:30 in the morning. it was dark out, but it was cold and they were gathering up all their equipment. and one of the camera operators that night, what i was told, spent a few hours sleeping in his car because he felt it was unsafe to drive home. and that's really, i think, when the tensions with the camera crew really started to grow. they show up for a 6:00 a.m. call time. it was a long, arduous day. that day, one of the camera operators asked for a hotel room that night, and the production said no.

and that -- what several of the camera operators and assistants and camera crew people told me was that's when they felt like, these people don't care about us. >> later that night lane luper and some other members of the camera crew, they email production managers their resignation letters. and in lane's letter, he writes about his concerns regarding their housing. he also lays out some safety concerns saying, during the filming of gunfights on this job, things are often played very fast and loose. so far there have been two accidental weapons discharges. >> it was, you know, close to 9:00 when these emails started rolling into the production office that they were going to be without the camera crew. >> for a group of crew members to come together and say, we need to, as a group, basically strike this set, it's not that common. >> this week, 25 members of "rust" cast and crew released a letter that alec baldwin posted on his instagram, which they say was not sanctioned or influenced by the producers. and it stated, the descriptions

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they were making good on their threats from the night before, quitting over their concerns, which included their accommodations and safety on the set. >> i was as surprised as everyone else when for the first hour and half there was no camera crew on the set at all. i know that put a little bit of a strain on the whole production. >> the first person i saw was halyna, and she didn't look -- she wasn't her usual, you know, calm, focused, cheerful self. >> she was under pressure to not look stressed, to keep everything rolling. and shortly after that there is a safety meeting. that did address that there was going to be, you know, gunfire happening that day. >> so before lunch there was a scene where there were some guns being used. at the end of those scenes being done, all the guns were collected and placed back in the safe. >> they broke for lunch around 12:30. >> when they come back from

lunch, we get word that they're going to do this little insert shot of just the gun that halyna wants pointing right at camera. >> the scene wasn't supposed to have any gunfire. >> the scene is the two -- two guys are there. the other two actors who have got me, you know, cornered, and i then draw the gun -- cross-draw out of my holster, pull the gun up like that, and start to cock the pistol. cut. >> now comes a key moment. alec baldwin hears cold gun. that's the signal that the weapon is safe to use. what does it mean for a gun to be declared cold? >> it means nothing is going to happen when you pull the trigger besides the click. so it's either a completely empty chamber, or it has the dummy rounds in it, which are also fake. >> joey dillon is a hollywood armorer. he did not work on "rust." you've brought some dummy rounds with you? >> i did, yeah.

it looks exactly the same as a real bullet. in lieu of the gun powder in there, they put in a single bb in there and you can hear that. >> you can hear it rattle. >> shaking around especially on the belt, you can -- >> yeah, the whole things rattling. >> yeah. >> by 1:20, the scene up at the church was to be done. >> alec baldwin was sitting in a pew. they wanted to have the camera look down the barrel of the gun. they were trying to set it up. >> you could see the ends of the bullets. that's why it was loaded with dumdums, you need to see the end of the bullet. i'm at the front door of the church, and i was probably four, five yards away from alec and halyna. halyna was telling alec she wanted to see his thumb working the hammer back to do the shot. she was probably only 18 inches, two feet from muzzle of gun. >> she takes a monitor that is his monitor, the operator, and turns it towards her. and she says to me, hold the gun lower. go to your right.

okay, right there. all right, do that. >> i was, like, standing like this. this was halyna. camera was more or less here. >> i'm holding the gun where she told me to hold it, which ended up being aimed right below her armpit. >> the cameras were not rolling, so there is not actual footage of this tragedy. >> you just pulled -- >> the hammer as far back as i could without cocking the actual gun. >> and you're holding onto the hammer? >> i'm holding -- i'm just showing. i go, how about that? does that work? you see that? do you see that? and then she goes, "yeah, that's good." i let go of the hammer, bang, the gun goes off. >> yeah, i saw that gun and -- >> all of a sudden, boom! and it was so loud. >> i actually thought that maybe some equipment had exploded or fallen. >> after the gun went off,

people in the room have described it as just being total chaos. >> and then there was a scream. >> and then they look, and halyna has instantly fallen back and she's on the ground and she is bleeding from her chest. >> immediately bleeding and bleeding profusely. that's when it got real. oh, my lord. >> she said, something happened with my s-stomach. i don't feel my legs. her skin was so white, and her lips -- gray. >> and director joel souza is also hurt. he's writhing on the floor in agony. it's total confusion.

>> when she went down, he went down, and he was screaming really loudly. and i thought, what is he -- what happened? >> did you go up to her? >> i went up to her and then we were immediately -- we were told to get out of the building. we were forced to get out of the building. >> mamie mitchell, the script supervisor, runs out and she starts calling 911. >> santa fe fire and ems. what's the location of your emergency? >> bonanza creek ranch. we've had two people accidentally shot on a movie set by a prop gun. we need help immediately. >> it didn't take them long at all to begin sending units. but the people who were on set, the people who were at the base camp had this false sense that it might not be that bad. >> nobody told you what happened? >> no, no. >> and we just were all sitting there waiting and trying to get any information on what happened. are they okay? >> i knew there was nothing short of something catastrophic happening that would cause what i had seen happen to halyna

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after the shooting, everyone's trying to get their bearings. halyna has finally been taken away in a helicopter. joel souza has been taken to a different hospital.

>> within 15 minutes or 20 minutes after that, the police arrived and took the church set and put the crime tape around it, the yellow tape, and forced us all to the perimeters of the parking area where we sat and waited. >> nobody told you what happened? >> no. no. >> we got the call at 1:48 p.m. that day. our deputies responded within two or three minutes to the scene along with ems. so it was pretty immediate. >> alec was just beside himself. we were all dumbfounded. >> when they get there, there's over a hundred people there. it's pretty hectic and pretty chaotic. >> the people who were in the church all had to be interviewed by police. >> i was in my trailer, and one of the other actors told me, hey, you should know, i just heard on the walkie a pretty

urgent call 911, and we assumed a stunt went wrong. >> i went back to base camp. we were there until the police came down and talked to all of us. >> news of the shooting spread quickly. >> breaking news on a movie set near santa fe. >> the sign behind me does say rust. we do believe that is where the incident did happen, but we are working to get that confirmed. >> we heard some rumbling out of new mexico that there'd been some sort of accident on the set of the alec baldwin film "rust." at first, we weren't really clear what it was. >> but as the day went on, we learned more. >> ultimately we found out something had happened with a gun, and it was joel and halyna who were involved, which was frightening. >> a while later there was a helicopter above. there were news stations and paparazzi all at the gate, and then there were more helicopters

as all of the sudden it went all over the news. it became this huge thing, and it was just so surreal. >> a source of mine said that it was actually alec baldwin who fired that gun. >> new details that alec baldwin fired a prop gun. >> alec fired the shot. >> my mouth dropped to the floor. the story just became something much, much bigger than we thought it originally was. >> we were all sitting there, waiting, trying to get any information on what happened. are they okay? >> the mood was still -- still optimistic. >> we kept hearing she's stable. she's stable. >> the main focus of the investigators is to get initial statements. gutierrez reed, mr. hall's and, uh, and mr. baldwin were brought to the sheriff's office. everybody understood that this was a major incident and everybody was cooperating. >> i was there for like an hour and a half or so, and finally one of the police officers she takes her phone and she slides

it across to me. she says, that's what came out of joel's shoulder. a .45 caliber slug. it was a real bullet. it was utter disbelief over the idea. it was unacceptable, the idea that it was a live round. >> how did a live round get in this gun. >> the kind of insanity inducing agony of thinking that someone put a live bullet in the gun. >> the key grip gets a phone call. and it said that she's gone. then it's just tears everywhere. everybody was -- unbelievable, but then it was just universal tears all around and just a sense of despair. you know -- >> they said to me, we regret to tell you that she didn't make it. she died. they told me right then and there, and that's when i went in

the parking lot and called my wife to talk to my wife. >> he looked disheveled. he looked distraught. >> those pictures underscored this was a tragic accident, and this guy is reeling. >> her husband comes to town, her husband, matthew. and i met with him and their son. and he was as kind as you could be. >> what can you possibly say to him? >> i didn't know what to say. he hugged me and he goes like, i suppose you and i are gonna go through this together. and i thought, well, not as much as you are. you know, and his little boy there who's 9 years old. i told him, i said, i don't know what to say.

i don't know how to convey to you how sorry i am. >> about four days later, they finally let us get back in, just even collect our gear. i noticed this bunch of roses right in the spot where halyna was when she was shot. and it was almost also a spiritual kind of a moment. >> there was really palpable grief with pretty much anyone you spoke to in the film community. >> this is not the first highly publicized death involving firearms on a movie set. >> in 1984, jon-erik hexum was an actor. he was on the set of a tv show called "coverup," and he had a .44 magnum, which was loaded with blanks. he pointed the gun at his head and fired. >> a wad of paper burst out from the dummy bullet and actually fractured his skull, and he died. a decade later on the set of "the crow," which starred brandon lee, bruce lee's son -- >> and there's a scene where there was a gun going off.

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something went horribly wrong here in santa fe on the set of alec baldwin's new western film "rust." >> the actor and producer fired the firearm that killed the director of photography, injured the director. >> the idea that a gun could have been fired and someone could have been killed in 2021 on the set of a movie was completely shocking.

>> and ultimately, the big question is -- who is to blame? >> there are so many questions that investigators are trying to answer -- the who, what, why, and how. >> how on earth does this happen? >> in the aftermath of the shooting, the set was shut down, search warrants were issued, and the investigation began. >> it turns out, there have been a number of different questions raised about what exactly caused the deadly shooting to occur. >> tonight, authorities now confirming it was a live bullet that that gun had that was handed to alec baldwin. >> when we processed the scene and the evidence was collected, and all the rounds were gone through, we determined that there were other possible live rounds that were on set. >> here's the reality -- guns have been used in hollywood movies for decades and decades

and decades, but live ammunition is never supposed to be on the set of a movie or television show. end of story. >> obviously we want to know how that live round got on the set, but what's more important is how that live round got into the gun. >> we identified two other people that handled and/or inspected the loaded firearm prior to baldwin firing the weapon. these two individuals are arm earlier hannah reed gutierrez and assistant director david halls. >> dutch merrick is a long time hollywood armor and prop master. and though he didn't work on "rust," he told us his protocol for checking rounds. >> when we're dealing with dummy rounds, as they come out of the box each one gets a rattle. and it's very easy to tell which is a dummy. if i picked up a dummy round and it didn't rattle, i would stop

and i would go, wait a second. i would isolate it from the rest of the dummy rounds. if there's any question, any anomaly, it's not going into the gun. it's not going on the film set. >> according to a search warrant, assistant director, dave halls told investigators that gutierrez reed opened up the firearm that would be used by baldwin, but halls said he could only remember seeing three rounds and that he should have checked all of the chambers of the gun, but didn't, and he couldn't recall if gutierrez reed spun the drum. halls also told investigators. he didn't know that there were any live rounds in the gun. >> an attorney representing halls has said it was not his client's responsibility to confirm whether the gun was loaded. according to a search warrant, gutierrez reed told investigators she loaded five dummy rounds into baldwin's gun before lunch and a sixth after when the gun was retrieved from a safe. >> she would've never in a million years thought a live round was gonna be on that set. nobody did. >> her attorney has said his client has no idea where the live rounds came from. >> there's scrutiny on hannah gutierrez reed's role.

she was responsible for the arms and for whatever projectiles or bullets went into the weapon. >> this was the second feature film where she was the head armorer. >> she had previously worked on a nicholas cage movie. >> hannah gutierrez reed's first job as armorer was on a movie calmed "the old way." >> she did a podcast interview in september where she said basically she did not know if she should accept it. >> i was really nervous about it at first and i almost didn't take the job because i wasn't sure if i was ready, but doing it, like, it went really smoothly. >> she is a very safety-conscious individual. she's been trained extremely well by the best in the business. >> from the get-go she seemed very competent with the handguns. she seemed very safe. i had no reason to doubt her. but she showed me, in the first couple days on set, that she knew what she was doing. >> on that tragic day on the set

of rust rus, there are now live rounds and one live round has somehow made it into the gun. and now, the third question here, when this turns deadly, is why did the gun go off? >> i'm handed a gun and someone declares -- they say, this is a cold gun. >> dave halls? >> the first a.d. >> there are conflicting statements in reference to who handed the gun to mr. baldwin, but at this point in the investigation, i think it's clear to the investigator and that was mr. halls. in the statements from mr. halls that he did -- did not recall handling -- handing the weapon, or he did not hand the weapon to mr. baldwin. independent witnesses state that he -- that he did. so there's a discrepancy there. >> dave halls' lawyer will not confirm that he handed alec baldwin the gun. >> it wasn't in the script for the trigger to be pulled. >> well, the trigger wasn't pulled. i didn't pull the trigger. >> so you never pulled the trigger? >> no, no, no, no, no. i would never point a gun at anyone and pull a trigger at them, never. never.

that was the training that i had. you don't point a gun at somebody and pull the trigger. >> dave was there when the gun discharged. dave has told me since day one it was an accident. he's told me that mr. baldwin never pulled the trigger. >> this is a replica model. it's virtually identical, but it's a nonfiring replica of the gun that they used on that set. if you don't pull the trigger, the design of this gun will not let the hammer go forward. it's designed to stop at the halfway point. if i pull the hammer back most of the way and let go, as alec baldwin said, it's designed to not drop on a round. >> if this gun had been in service for many, many, many years and had worn parts, maybe that's a factor. a worn-out gun or a broken gun may be a factor in this. >> the fbi is currently examining that gun. >> there will be tests and analysis done on the firearm for its functionality. >> there were several things that went wrong. >> two people accidentally shot. we need help immediately.

>> it wasn't just one accident. it was a series of perhaps just accidents all put together caused had really catastrophic breakdown on the set of "rust." >> it was kind of a perfect storm. >> are you prepared to press criminal charges once this investigation is in your hands? >> of course, if the investigation shows that criminal acts occurred. >> for many in the film community the "rust" incident brought back memories of another tragedy that ended in a fatality and also raised concerns about safety on the set. >> the first thing i thought when i heard about the tragedy on the set of rust was the terrible tragedy of on the set of "midnight rider." >> sarah jones was killed by a train while shooting the film midnight rider in georgia. >> after the shock, and angry. i couldn't stop crying. >> when sarah died we'd hoped that her death might save someone's life would've prevented halyna's death.

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all of a sudden, boom! and it was so loud. >> halyna is bleeding from her chest. >> that fatal accident on the set of "rust" isn't the first time. it's happened before. >> the first thing i thought was to the terrible tragedy of just a few years earlier on the set of "midnight rider." >> they were going to film a drugged out dream sequence. >> they did not have permission to be on the track. >> william hurt climb on to the bed and asked, what do we do if there's a train? >> all i know is i heard the train and immediately started running. >> sarah jones was trying to get the expensive camera criminate off the track.

>> it was right there. >> the impact happened like an explosion. >> sarah was the first person i saw. she was lying on the side of the tracks dead. >> for them to overlook something that jeopardizes the safety is absolutely, positively -- it's unacceptable. >> i see many similarities between sarah and halyna. their deaths were so unnecessary. we're here tonight to mourn this loss and to share our collective grief. >> in late october, several hundred film industry colleagues gathered in a burbank parking lot mourning the loss of cinematographer halyna hutchins and trying to comprehend the senseless death of one of their own. >> halyna was amazing from the first day i met her. she's --

i'm sorry. she was really great. halyna was like a little ball of light. >> but even as the film world mourns halyna's loss, there's still this one burning question that remains unanswered. >> someone put a live bullet in a gun, a bullet that wasn't even supposed to be on the property. i hope that the sheriff's department doesn't give up on -- that they follow this to the ends of the earth. >> our concern right now is how the live rounds got on the set, who was responsible for making sure that there were no live rounds. >> i just can't understand how any live rounds got on that set. >> did hannah supply any ammunition to that set? >> no. >> to try to trace that live round -- there was a search warrant

executed at the albuquerque prop house that provided firearms and dummy rounds and blanks. >> pdq arm and prop supplied the guns, the blank ammunition, and 50 dummy rounds to the show. >> seth kenney is the owner of pdq prop and arms, and when we spoke, he asked that we not show his face. he says he wasn't the film's only provider. >> it's not a possibility that they came from pdq or from myself personally. when we send dummy rounds out, they get individually rattle-tested before they get sent out. >> i think it's gonna be apparent that's the most likely thing that happened was sabotage. the reason is you get a new box on set that day. it's got 50 rounds in it. they're labeled "dummy." seven of them are -- turn out to be live. somebody wanted to cause a safety incident on set. nobody wanted anybody to be klled. >> if something were to come up, some sort of evidence, of course that would be investigated. but not one person has brought

up sabotage. it didn't happen. this was not sabotage. this was incompetence. >> it turns out there are detailed guidelines for firearms use on set put out by a labor and management safety committee. >> safety bulletin number one, states that live ammunition is never to be brought onto a film set. and there's 44 different bulletins right now, everything from firearms to how to handle helicopter operations on set. >> they're recommended guidelines, adopted after the tragic accident during filming for the "twilight zone" movie in 1982. >> in california they were filming a war movie today when suddenly a helicopter crashed right in the middle of the action. >> actor vic morrow and two children were killed when a helicopter crashed on top of them. >> there's not law governing how to run a film set. we follow the industry guidelines. someone who doesn't follow the guidelines is someone who will find it very, very difficult to be hired again in this industry.

>> there are no laws that mandate. it's industry standards that we have to trust industry professionals are following. >> and at the vigil for halyna, there were reminders of another tragic on-set death involving a young woman, one that had also put the spotlight on safety in the film industry. >> after standing here seven years ago for sarah jones and sharing the stage with another family, we're here again. >> the first thing i thought when i heard about the tragedy on the set of "rust" and the killing of halyna hutchins was the terrible tragedy of just a few years earlier on the set of "midnight rider" and the death of camera crew member sarah jones. >> sarah jones was an assistant camera operator, doing a job that her parents told us meant the world to her. >> she fell in love with the camera. >> why do you think she was drawn to the camera department? >> it's the challenge of it, i

think. for the most part, it's a man's world, and i think that was a little bit of a challenge. >> she started out on "army wives," the television show. >> she had an internship there. >> she would offer to do anything she could. >> sarah went on to become a camera assistant for the tv series "the vampire diaries." >> sky doesn't know you're a vampire. let's keep it that way. >> that's it. >> first time i saw her, she was literally right in front of my face doing the slate. you couldn't help but notice sarah jones. you just always wanted to be around her. >> and then she got her big break, and that was on "fast and furious seven" with paul walker. >> she was in the position she was striving so hard to be in, to get her foot in the door on a feature film. >> breaking news out of hollywood this morning. >> yeah, paul walker, one of the stars of the enormously popular "fast and furious" movies dead in a car crash.

>> of course they stopped that production for a time. >> so, sarah took her own fateful path, took a gig based out of savannah on the movie called "midnight rider." >> midnight rider was a biopic about the life of greg allman, the big, you know, southern rocker legendary now. and his brother duane, and it was to star william hurt. >> independent movie, budget about $5 million. written, produced and directed by a man named randall miller. >> she had mentioned to me that it is a low budget film. and she was a little bit surprised that some of the people did not seem to have the level of expertise that she expected. >> it was the first day of filming on a historic trestle. it's just an ideal beautiful

setting in rural georgia. it's on the altahama river. spanish moss around it. >> it's high up over the river. you could walk along the edge of the track that's, at most, several feet wide. sarah and hairstylist joyce guillard were among the crew. >> i was told we were going to do a pre-shoot. trying to get a few shots of an area. you know. i did not expect to be shooting an entire scene on the railroad tre trestle. >> i went straight over to where they were shooting up. i began photographing and also taking behind the scenes footage. we were told that two trains had passed and that was the schedule

for the day and that we wouldn't have to worry about more trains. >> it was going to be a dream sequence in which gregg allman, from his hospital bed, would imagine duane allman, the guitarist, his late brother, somehow across the bridge. >> unbeknownst to their crew, they thought it was permitted. it was not. there was no medic on set, and there had been no safety meeting. >> i wasn't aware we were even going on tracks till i got there. the director is the one who led everyone on the railroad tracks, because he wanted to get the certain shot with the bed on the trestle. >> and so william hurt climbed onto the bed and asked, you know, what do we do if there's a train? >> he asked how much time would we have to get off the tracks?

>> they say, you have 60 seconds to get off the track. i was more or less, 60 seconds to get off the track? and i started praying. i'm mad at myself because i didn't say something. >> we had only been on the tracks for five maybe ten minutes and that's when they yelled that there was a train coming. >> i heard and i saw the train. and you just immediately started running. you guys come on in. come around to the side. 1, 2, 3... yay! ♪ “i got you babe” by etta james ♪ santa looks good. ♪ mom it's sooo small. ♪ ♪ ♪

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gregg allman's memoir began with a scene on a bridge but never mentioned railroad tracks. that was an addition by randall miller. in the screenplay that he wrote, and in this clip, you hear him read aloud. >> scene 14. exterior. train track his hospital bed is in the middle of a train track. he sees a bridge ahead, a train trestle. >> sarah jones was an assistant camera operator. they were just a few minutes into shooting the scene on the trestle when they spotted a freight train barreling down the track at an estimated 57 miles per hour. >> they yelled that there was a train coming, and there was sort of a pause. >> and i saw the train. i saw the light of that train. it was like the train was right there.

so you had seconds to figure out what you were going to do. >> they had to run towards the train to get out of the way, and they struggled to get the bed frame off. >> video captures the scream of the fast-approaching train's horn, as randall miller and other crew members frantically try to yank the hospital bed off the tracks. >> it was a total chaos. sarah jones was trying to get the expensive camera equipment off the track. >> it seemed to be so far away and then all of the sudden right there. >> when i realized that i could not get to land, that's when i ran to the side and held on to the iron girder. and i prayed i didn't get hit by that train. the pressure from the wind from the train was so strong that, holding onto the girder, i

wasn't able to. it pulled me off. >> the ground was shaking. everything was shaking. the impact happened like an explosion. i was hit. i had a very brief blackout. >> the train struck joyce gilliard's left arm after smashing into the hospital bed. >> i couldn't believe what was happening. i thought about dying. and my family getting that call. >> the train's impact had snapped a bone in joyce's arm. >> sarah was the first person i saw. she was lying on the side of the tracks dead. you didn't know it was her. you didn't know it was her. >> i received a phone call from

one of the -- her friends. she said, sarah's no longer here. i said, what do you mean? you mean as in dead? she said, yes, ma'am. how do you tell your husband that your daughter's dead? >> it was rough. i mean, it took the wind out of me. >> sarah jones was just 27 years old. >> randall miller called us that day. he was very upset. he, um -- >> he was crying. >> hysterical. >> so immediately after the accident, investigators are trying to find out who had failed to protect the "midnight rider" crew. police questioning producer jay sedrish about shooting on active train tracks. >> of course, our question was, "did you have permission?" we got that, "well, it's complicated," answer. >> randall miller got an initial email through the location manager, charlie baxter, which

said that it was the company policy of csx not to allow people to film on their tracks. >> on the morning of the shoot, a representative of the railroad once again refused to grant the film permission to shoot on its tracks. >> to me those emails were extremely clear that they did not have permission to be on the tracks. in fact, mr. baxter was scheduled to be at the scene and would not come because of that email. >> randy knew that i wasn't going to go if we didn't have permission. >> how do you know that? >> because he told me. >> he told you what? >> that he was going to go down and going to film by th trestle whether they had permission from csx or not. >> my investigation shows that randall miller gave that decision to tell everybody to move onto the tracks. >> randy miller had no perception of danger and was relying on his team that had never failed him that he was in a safe place. he'd been told there were just two trains and those had gone. >> but in fact, the "midnight

rider" production had no way of knowing when a train might be coming. >> you don't shoot on a railroad track unless you absolutely are positive that you have permission to be there and you know that a train isn't going to come by. >> csx would later tell investigators that it was their busiest track. they had probably 27, 30 trains that passed through on that track a day. per day. >> there is no freight train schedule i can rely on to make sure there'll be no train on my track. >> it's a day to day thing and the variants can be great. there's not such a thing as a freight train schedule that approximates what, say, a major airline might publish. >> so you're going to help me stay safe while i shoot a scene that involves a train. how are you going to do that? >> you need a railroad employee, you need the agreement of the railroad, and you also need to make sure that the film crew has

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>> at first, it was like people were in shock. i remember hearing somebody say, oh, my gosh, she's dead. >> wayne county 911. >> can you get my location where i am? we need an ambulance. well, someone got hit by a train. >> the news that sarah jones had been killed on the set of the film "midnight rider" reached her friends on "vampire diaries" just a few hours after it happened. >> i got the call. we just sat in the car going to set, and it was just pure shock. >> she just left too soon. she would've been -- yeah, it was too soon. >> i was angry. really angry. for them to overlook something that jeopardizes the safety of the people that are working with

them is absolutely, positively -- it's unacceptable. >> they wanted to get the shot, so whatever it took to get the shot is what they did. >> information started to emerge about how randall miller and his wife jody savin were these guerilla filmmakers who played by their own rules. >> in a panel discussion, randall miller actually boasted about stealing a shot in the new york city subway for his 2013 movie "cbgb." >> you are not allowed to shoot in new york subways. i don't know if you know that, but you're not allowed to. >> and on the dvd extras from "cbgb," randall miller joked about pulling off some questionable scenes in savannah, georgia, where most of that movie was filmed. >> he actually would laugh and brag about breaking these safety protocols, whether it was having a child -- a little child running around in a pasture with cows. >> i mean, i don't think it's dangerous at all to have a little kid run through cows, do you think? >> no. >> nah, no. >> or throwing a piano down the

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they thought to get off the tracks. 26 seconds before impact, the engineer starts to blare the horn continuously -- members of try to flee to safety. three seconds before impact, it's too late to get the bed off the tracks. william hurt and wyatt russell, the actors, along with two crew members, are scrambling just to make it off the trestle. one second before impact, people cover their ears. they're clinging to the bridge for their lives because the bed on impact becomes a deadly weapon. >> the train hits the bed and the bed flies up, and apparently a portion of the hospital bed strikes sarah and pushes her into the train. >> there were several injuries on that track that day. it wasn't just the death of sarah, but there were seven people injured. >> joyce gilliard, the hairstylist, she needed a plate

and ten screws put in just to reconstruct her arm. >> it's not just my arm that was hurt. i suffered such a traumatic experience seeing my co-worker, friend, lose her life because of someone else's negligence. >> it wasn't simply the accident. it's a lot of the aftermath. i don't think i have to explain what it feels like to suddenly be a little more afraid of everything. >> it's clear that certainly the producers and director, they messed and they messed up real bad. >> it was a live track. there were tracks elsewhere in the vicinity that were not live. tracks that could have been used. >> randall miller visited me in

my hospital room a couple days after the tragedy happened. he didn't say anything. e just cried. he just cried. >> in the months following sarah's death, the authorities in georgia indicted randall miller and his wife, jody savin, and another producer, jay sedrish, and first assistant director, hillary schwartz, for involuntary manslaughter and trespass. they pled not guilty. >> if they'd have just followed the emails or followed the safety requirements by the film industry, sarah jones would be alive today. >> randall miller actually wanted to go ahead and finish the movie "midnight rider," but greg allman filed suit to try to stop the production from going forward, and it worked. >> or him to want to keep making a movie where someone died on

his watch. it just seems so cold-hearted. >> the suit filed by gregg allman compelled randall miller to testify about the tragedy on video where he said one phrase three times. >> did you even employ anyone to go down the railroad track, maybe three or four miles down, to warn people when the train was coming? >> unfortunately, that's not my job. >> do you know where anybody was down that track before the train accident occurred? >> again, that's not my job. >> you didn't ask csx how many trains were coming down that trestle, did you? >> again, that's not my job. >> that is his job. he's the director. now, the first assistant director is responsible in the industry, traditionally, for safety. but randall miller's ultimate job is to make sure that what he's doing as director is not putting his crew, or the cast for that matter, in jeopardy. and he did not do that. >> as first assistant director, what are your responsibilities? >> i am one of the people that have safety responsibilities on set.

>> hillary schwartz, she was responsible for having a medic on set. she was responsible for the safety bulletins out that they were going to shoot on live train tracks. didn't do that. >> i heard that if the train were to come that, at the very least, we would have 60 seconds. >> and you actually believed that you could get a metal bed off the track and the people off the track in 60 seconds? >> well, yes. >> did you see a written permission from csx to put those people on that track? that's a simple question. >> i did not do permits. >> you didn't see any permit before you asked those people to get on the train track? >> i did not see the permits, no. i was in the middle of the track, and i almost died. >> randall fell onto the track, and so i dropped my camera and grabbed him. >> randall miller's life was saved, but sarah jones died on those tracks.

>> the people who made poor choices that day need to be held fully accountable what they did. >> but would randall miller be the first director ever to go to jail for a death on a movie set? >> in the "midnight rider" case, it was clear who had made the decision to go to the railroad tracks. in the "rust" case, the question is just, who is responsble for it? >> could alec baldwin be criminally charged?

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i'm not trying to be a masochist at all, but i want to see that train. >> one of the hardest things for anybody to do after a tragedy is to go back to the place where their loved ones were killed. and richard and elizabeth jones did that. they went back to the bridge to see where their little girl was killed by a train. >> i want to experience it. i want to see what it's like. >> oh, my god. how fast is that going?

>> in a way i felt like elizabeth and i needed to do that. but it was hard. and to see the spot where she lost her life, uh, it -- it's heartbreaking. they couldn't get out of the way. >> the arrogance of someone putting my baby on the track -- and the fear she must have felt, i can't imagine. >> several of the supervising crew from "midnight rider" were brought to trial for criminal trespass and involuntary manslaughter on the death of sarah jones in a very small town, jessup, georgia. >> if convicted, miller, along with two other producers and the first a.d., stood to serve as much as ten years in prison. >> but as the trial was about to get underway, there was an

unexpected turn of events. >> in the courthouse, the prosecutor came to us and said that if we agreed that they had a plea deal. >> the defendant will be sentenced to a ten-year term. he will serve two years in custody in the county jail. he will pay a fine of $20,000. >> randall miller became the first director in the history of the movies to go to jail for a death on the set. >> he cannot serve as a director, producer, first assistant director or a supervisor on any film where he has responsible for the safety of other people for the entire ten years. >> the first a.d. hillary schwartz and the unit production manager, jay sedrish, both got 10 years probation. >> i believe it sends a message, frankly, that if you do not respect those that you're in charge of, that you may end up

behind bars. >> something went horribly wrong here in santa fe on the set of alec baldwin's new western film "rust." a young and hopeful cinematographer is dead. >> it has been seven years since the tragedy on "midnight rider" when sarah jones lost her life and i was severely injured. hearing about what happened on the set of "rust," it just brought back a lot of painful memories for me. after the shock, i became angry. such a horrific tragedy of someone losing their life again. >> it just felt like a knife in my heart. when sarah died, we'd hoped that her death might save someone's life. would have prevented halyna's death, but it didn't. and it hurts. >> nobody should die making a movie. >> i would be on set, and i

couldn't understand why i was crying so much. and then, i realized that it was traumatic for me. >> ptsd is very difficult thing to deal with. i'm sure that joyce has gone through lot of mental anguish still to this day. unfortunately, i think the crew of "rust" will endure the same path. >> you can't know what this feels like. and -- i don't know. most of us are going to be dealing with this for the rest of our lives, man. >> to this day, i still am so shocked that this happened. it's unbelievable. joel souza, the director was right over halyna's shoulder. he was shot. >> there are two victims out there, halyna hutchins and joel souza, and they deserve justice. >> joel is still recovering, and halyna's gone and we can't get her back. >> in the "midnight rider" case

it was clear who had made the decision to go to the railroad tracks. here in the "rust" case, there are still questions about who is responsible and how it happened. >> we want to know how that live round got on the set. but what's more important is how that live round got into the gun. the fact that it was on the set was obviously a failure. but how it then went from just on the set to into the gun without any of those levels of protection working is the more important inquiry that my office is focused on. >> i'm not commenting on charges, whether they will be filed or not or on whom. >> the criminal investigation is ongoing. civil lawsuits have already been filed. more are coming. there's scrutiny on both the first assistant director, david halls, and the armorer, hannah gutierrez reed, but also on alec baldwin's role.

>> this was clearly an accident, but just because something is an accident doesn't mean that a criminal act didn't occur. >> i've been told by people who are in the know, in terms of even inside the state, that it's highly unlikely i would be charged with anything criminally. >> could alec baldwin be criminally charged? >> everything is on the table and nothing is off the table. >> enormous questions remain about who will ultimately be held responsible in halyna's death. >> the reason we still use real firearms on set is because we have to. >> should they just stop using real guns on sets? yeah, okay. so here we go. yeah, okay. ♪

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♪ ♪ ♪ find your spotlight with sing 2 collectable, connectible straw spoons. ♪ ♪ one free in specially-marked boxes of kellogg's cereal. sing 2. in theaters december 22nd. rated pg. a california state senator intending to introduce legislation in hutchins' honor that would ban live ammunition -- >> producers at the abc crime

drama "the rookie" has announced they will no longer use live weapons on set. >> saying they will ban all live gunfire on set immediately. >> there is a movement happening in hollywood right now in the wake of the "rust" tragedy to ban real firearms from sets. >> any movie we have moving forward with seven bucks productions, we won't use real guns at all. we're going to switch to rubber guns. >> if we are going to see any change in hollywood about the use of guns, it's going to have to come from big names, and dwayne johnson is the biggest star in the world right now. and that's a big deal, because it's not like the rock makes a lot of rom coms. he makes action movies. that could start the process for real change. >> are you kidding me? >> should they just stop using real guns on sets? >> someone else can determine what is the safest, best thing. what do we come out of this learning? what do we come out of it -- what changes can be made? if you're gonna wind up where the guns are gonna be plastic or rubber. i've used rubber guns before. you're going to cgi everything

eventually. if i aim the gun and i point the gun and go, "bang," and it cgis the explosion, then that's great. >> at barnstorm-vfx, a visual effects house in l.a., muzzle flashes are simulated in postproduction for shows like "the big sky" and the man in the high tower. >> i would say that a simulated muzzle flash, if it's done correctly, can get pretty close to looking like a real gunshot. a muzzle flash is a light source essentially. i have taken a stock element of a similar, gun, muzzle flash. i have illuminated my knuckles and the front of the gun and even my face for just one frame. i've even added a reflection of the muzzle flash in the eyes. the actor mimed the action of shooting it, slightly kicking my wrists back, and then we composite that in over

everything else to make it realistic. >> the reason we still use real firearms on set is because we have to. there's a certain amount of physicality to this prop, and an actor has to react correctly to the gunfire. there's reaction to the gunfire, eyes flinching, things like that. you just can't duplicate that with cgi. we've fired billions of rounds of blanks over the years, and it can be done in a safe manner. >> there probably should be laws or stronger rules than industry standards. it clearly needs to change because something like this happened and it has happened before. and we've got to protect lives. nothing's more important than that. >> never again let someone's daughter die, never again someone's son.

it's never, never worth a life. >> i see many similarities and parallels between sarah and halyna. they both love the camera and cinematography and all that comes with it. they both showed such promise. their deaths were so senseless, so unnecessary. it should not have happened. >> we are. >> we are. >> we are. >> sarah jones. >> sarah jones. >> sarah jones. >> when sarah jones lost her life seven years ago, many people in the industry added her name to slates that she once held so that every shot was a tribute to her. now halyna hutchin's name is being added next to sarah's. >> how many more names need to

go on a slate before the needed changes are made in this industry so it just will not happen again? how many? >> i am here to express today what i believe we are all feeling about the loss of a vibrant, gifted, unique visionary that is halyna hutchins. >> last week, an emotional tribute to halyna and her work at the power women summit in los angeles, with her husband matthew in attendance. >> so let's take a moment to take a look at her work. >> her work was exquisite. her framing of the shots. her colors were beautiful. she really cared a lot about the scenes. >> filmmaking for her was really a higher calling. she had the soul of a poet and so much integrity as an artist.

>> she was an incredible cinematographer and she is a great friend, a mother, a wife, a daughter and she is our sister.

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