tonight. >> we appreciate you. right now jimmy kimmel. good night. >> lou: from hollywood, it's "jimmy kimmel live" with guest host al franken! tonight -- bob odenkirk, congresswoman katie porter, and music from los lobos. with cleto and the cletones. and now, al franken. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> al: thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. save it. save it for the end.

it is so great to be here. i'm al franken. i'm only former u.s. senator -- [ cheers and applause ] i'm the only former u.s. senator to guest host "jimmy kimmel live!" [ cheers and applause ] but tonight is not about politics. it's about comedy and having fun. [ cheers and applause ] so, who's here from out of state to get an abortion? [ laughter ] [ cheers are ] >> al: wow, wow. all of you. [ laughter ] you know, one of the things i was looking forward to tonight was working with america's number one sidekick, guillermo. [ cheers and applause ] >> guillermo: thank you, sir!

you're doing a good job. >> al: by the way, guillermo, by the way -- what people out there probably may not know is that you don't actually have an accent. >> guillermo: that's right. [ laughter ] >> al: yeah. it's actually all, you know, part of the schtick that you do with jimmy. >> guillermo: yes, it's part of a -- ticks. [ laughter ] yeah. yes. >> al: we have some encouraging news out of washington. today, president biden signed "the inflation reduction act." [ cheers and applause ] which is a huge achievement. it makes the single biggest investment in addressing climate change ever. while i'm here, i should talk about some of the other

existential threats facing our nation. the enormous gaps in wealth and income. the threats to our democracy. but i really think one of the most serious issues facing our country today is just how big a dick ted cruz is. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] i've said it before, but i probably liked ted cruz more than most of my colleagues liked ted cruz. and i hate ted cruz. [ laughter ] ted cruz is probably one of the most famous senators, because as i mentioned, he's a huge dick. [ laughter ] during my time in the senate, i realized that most americans really have no idea what goes on in the senate.

or even who's in the senate. so, i decided to put some pedestrians to the test. i went out on the street today with a simple question, can you name a single u.s. senator? and this is what i learned. ♪ we're here on hollywood boulevard. let's go talk to the informed american electorate. excuse me. what's your name? >> margot. >> al: where are you from? >> burbank. >> al: and can you name one u.s. senator? >> oh. uh -- mitt romney. >> al: okay. >> oh, marco rubio. elizabeth warren. >> al: okay, good, good -- >> amy klobuchar. >> al: you can go, you can go. [ laughter ] we're going to cut that, okay? can you name a u.s. senator? >> uh -- we have dianne feinstein here in california. >> al: okay, dianne feinstein

has been around a long time. can you name your junior senator? >> alex pedia, appointed by governor newsom to replace kamala harris when she was sworn in as vice president. >> al: okay. blah. there are only two independents, name them. >> bernie sanders and angus king. >> robert menendez. >> al: veterans. >> john tester. >> al: of montana! arggh! excuse me, excuse me. where are you from? >> wyoming. >> al: perfect. can you name your two u.s. senators? >> uh -- john buras sew and loomis. >> burasso is the third ranking member of the republican party. >> al: who's second ranking? >> john thune, south dakota. >> if mcconnell ever retires, thune becomes the minority leader. >> or majority leader, of course. >> al: of course. where do i find all the idiots? [ cheers and applause ]

>> al: things are not going so well for the former president right now. last week, the fbi seized 11 sets of highly classified documents from donald trump's mar-a-lago estate. and trump is taking it exactly as you'd expect. last night, he wrote, "there is no way to justify the unannounced raid of mar-a-lago, the home of the 45th president of the united states." "who got more votes by far than any sitting president in the history of our country." now trump keeps saying that he, quote, got more votes by far than any sitting president in the history of our country. i know that sounds good, but it

doesn't mean much when you lose by 7,052,770 votes. [ cheers and applause ] you've heard of ireland, right? that's more than the entire population of ireland. it's the entire population of ireland plus every single person in nebraska combined. plus a completely sold-out michigan stadium in ann arbor. [ laughter ] and everyone who works at every burger king in america. [ laughter ] plus every person the average american will meet in their entire life. plus every major league baseball player and nba player. plus a southwest flight at maximum capacity. [ laughter ] throw in every person to date who's got monkeypox in indiana.

[ laughter ] and there'd still be six people left over. that's the entirale al lman brothers band. [ laughter and applause ] that's how many people donald trump lost by. [ cheers and applause ] as you know, trump is under investigation for potential violations of the espionage act and obstruction. it's not looking good. trump has screwed himself so badly, he's gonna have to write himself a check for $130,000. [ laughter ] [ applause ] because -- okay. i didn't think anyone would get that. that's what he paid stormy daniels. [ laughter and applause ] thank you.

now, some are saying trump could be a flight risk. which is crazy that the former president of the united states is a flight risk. but the good news is that at least donald trump's official presidential portrait is back up at every airport in the united states. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] you know, there has never been a better time to visit palm beach because for the rest of the summer, mar-a-lago is running a special weekend getaway package that includes free breakfast, a room upgrade where available, and a nuclear secret of your choosing. [ laughter and applause ] yeah. and the clientele is really nice this time of year. the folks around mar-a-lago.

these are the folks. okay, look. see the guy with the sign? [ laughter ] what an asshoe, right, guillermo? >> guillermo: that's right, sir. what a [ bleep ]ing [ bleep ], yeah. [ laughter and applause ] >> al: on top of everything else, more january 6th hearings are expected next month. these hearings have really exceeded my expectations, but nothing has actually shocked me, and they're supposed to get even worse. let me know if this shocks you. >> thank you, lieutenant hensell, for agreeing to testify. >> you're welcome, sir. >> you were a military attache in the white house? >> yes, sir. >> you don't have to lean into the mic, lieutenant. >> yes, sir. [ laughter ] >> did president trump ever ask you to do research for him?

>> he wanted me to download schematics of gallows and hang man's nooses. >> for what purpose? >> to hang mike pence. >> so it is your testimony the idea of erecting a gallows on the capitol grounds was donald trump's? >> yes, sir. oh, he had me research other methods of execution as well. >> and those methods were? >> drowning. firing squad. mauled by a bear. [ laughter ] oh, also -- he wanted us to paint a tunnel on the side of the capitol. [ laughter ] >> i understand you brought a diagram the president himself drew? >> yes, sir. the idea was that the vice president would assume that this was a real tunnel. [ laughter ] and then he'd make an attempt to escape by charging at it at a high velocity, and he would bonk his head and then see little birdies flying around.

>> and this was something the president had seen in a roadrunner cartoon? >> yes, sir. [ laughter ] >> at any time on january 6th did the president dance a jig? >> yes, sir. at about 1500 hours, we received an erroneous report that the mob had found vice president pence and torn him to pieces. >> and while president trump was dancing the jig, did he sing? >> yes, sir. he sang something to the tune of -- "ding dong the witch is dead." [ laughter ] but instead of which the president used a word that rhymed with witch? >> yes, sir. >> and that word? >> was bitch, sir. [ laughter ] >> lieutenant, could you please demonstrate the jig and sing what the president was singing for the committee? >> i'm in uniform, sir. >> i'm well aware of that, lieutenant, and thank you for your service. [ laughter ] but you're under oath. please, if you would, dance the

jig and sing the ding dong song. >> okay. well. ♪ ding dong the witch is dead the witch old bitch on bitchey bitch ♪ ♪ ding dong the witchy bitch is dead ♪ [ laughter and applause ] >> thank you for testifying today. i know this was not easy for you. >> no, it was not. >> could you please dance the jig again? >> no. [ laughter ] >> i understand. thank you, lieutenant. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: well, that wouldn't shock me. [ laughter ] now listen, we have a great show tonight. we have a congresswoman, katie

porter. [ cheers and applause ] she is here. we have music from los lobos. [ cheers and applause ] and we will be right back with bob odenkirk! [ cheers and applause ] ♪

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then later, one of my favorite bands, i'm so thrilled these guys are here. their grammy-winning album is called "native sons." the great los lobos on the mercedes eq stage. [ cheers and applause ] guillermo, what does los lobos mean? >> guillermo: the lobos. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> al: tomorrow night, nicole byer will be hosting with her gueststs aubrey plaza, sasheer zamata, and father john misty. if you like what you hear tonight, you can hear more from me on "the al franken podcast," and if you like what you see, you can see me on "the only former u.s. senator currently on

tour" tour. everyone get that? the al franken podcast and "only former u.s. senator currently on tour" tour. i met our first guest roughly 30 years ago when he started as a junior writer at "snl," and i am proud to regard him as a friend and colleague. last night, he ended his 13-year run as saul goodman with the terrific series finale of "better call saul" on amc. [ cheers ] yep. here to talk about that and more, please welcome the currently emmy-nominated bob odenkirk. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> holy cow, wow. [ cheers and applause ]

thank you so much. that's so nice of you. >> al: i did not expect that. >> some people know me. it's a few people do. you don't know, but i come out on hollywood boulevard and get my picture taken as saul goodman with tourists. [ laughter ] that's how the character started. >> al: now, last night, you invited me to the finale, the screening of the finale, at your home. >> yeah. >> al: i think we have foot knowledge. >> there's a group in our house. [ laughter ] >> al: that's me. >> there's patrick fabian. >> al: my son. my son-in-law. >> vince gilligan, who created the show, and peter gould, who created the show, and my wife, and a big tv. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. listen, "better call saul" was a family affair. the weird thing is i do include the fans in that.

obviously the cast were all close, and we even shared a place together down in albuquerque. >> al: right. >> but you know, i always felt like the fans, you're family. and all the many people around the world gave us a chance to create our own little world there with saul. and that was really a lot because we came out of "breaking bad," which for many people it's their favorite show. so i thought they would just hate us for trying at all. and it wasn't the case. people gave us a chance and wanted us to succeed. and i looked too old, and they didn't care. [ laughter ] the makeup lady killed herself, but she did a great job, didn't] here's what she did. she made my cheeks look fat by putting -- i think she made it lighter hair? i don't know. [ laughter ] boy, she did a great job. and you guys and everybody who watched, thank you so much. [ cheers and applause ]

because we couldn't have done it without you. thank you. >> al: the finale was really beautiful. >> thanks. >> al: and i remember thinking last night, i've known bob for 35 years. i can't believe he got this thing. [ laughter ] >> you have no idea. >> al: you're so brilliant at it. now, i know that you've been doing a lot of interviews. >> yes. >> al: and that you gave me -- >> questions yeah. i've been answering the same old questions. so i just thought, you know, it would be great if you'd let me write up some questions for you to ask me. then i could get some intelligent, respectable questions. [ laughter ] >> al: i haven't seen these. >> run-of-the-mill thing. whatever it says. what do you want to know? [ laughter ] >> al: really curious about this. >> yeah? >> al: before "saul," you spent

ten years failing repeatedly in hollywood. >> yes? now that the show is over, do you intend to resume that career path? [ laughter ] >> uh -- uh -- i'm going to try to limit it to a few months. but yes, i'm going to have a few failures along the way. and you can cheer me on, it's fine. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: you're a movie star now -- >> thank you. >> al: when you tried to write for "snl," you mostly failed. then you did "mr. show" with david cross, and it was great. [ cheers ] how come "snl" didn't just hire david cross? [ laughter ] >> well, you almost did. is what the story. david told me that al franken went and saw "cross comedy," the group he was in, and that you were very complimentary to david. so i'm glad that you forgot about having seen that and that i got hired in his place.

>> al: bottom line, do you think you have a future in showbiz, or just a past? >> well, i'm fine with that -- >> al: you wrote the damn question and you're laughing at it. >> i love it. makes me so happy. i'm so proud of myself. [ laughter ] i'm going to try to have a future. so if you'll give me a chance, i'll keep making stuff. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: thank you, bob. when we come back, we have a nice surprise. your costar, rhea seehorn, is here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ (vo) the fully electric audi e-tron family is here. with models that fit any lifestyle. and innovative ways to make your e-tron your own.

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twice emmy-nomnated actress, and bob's co-star. please say hello to the brilliant rhea seehorn. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> i like it in the clip you showed of our party, i was watching it, i'm like, i'm legit at the bar in all the footage. [ laughter ] >> al: what was it like to have this finale party? what was that like? were you really happy to have me? [ laughter ] >> the one thing i told bob, "we should get together, to get al franken to come over, and his kids." >> al: and his kids. >> yeah. no, it was awesome. i was so glad that we got people

together. you know, lots of tears, lots of hugs. most of us had not seen it before, before we watched it last night. >> al: right, right. >> it was cool. >> al: people probably assume -- probably only you two and, well -- really knew what the whole thing was, right? >> yeah, we'd read the script but you never know what they're going to do with it in post. it was the first time we'd seen the episode and it was a long time since we shot it. >> it was very emotional. >> yeah. it was. did you cry? >> i did at the end. i mean, it was -- >> al: it was redeemed and that was chilling what i just saw. the whole series, brilliant. thanks. >> al: you know, i told you i might do this. >> what? >> al: well -- >> did you write questions for me? [ laughter ] i wanted that! >> al: okay. >> what? >> al: in the penultimate show, the show before the last show. >> yeah? >> al: you did a scene in it.

in the tram at the airport. >> yeah. >> al: that i thought was astounding. and i want to show -- can we show -- do we have a clip of that? do we have that? [ cheers and applause ] >> holy cow. >> al: how do you do that? [ laughter ] how, how do you do that? i -- i -- i was so moved by that. i mean, if you know all the backstory of that, it was just wrenching. how do you do that?

>> thank you. thank you. oops. um -- part of the reason that it is touching to people and affected people, which i'm so grateful that it did, is the very thing that iwas using to structure the scene. that is that she is not crying for one thing that's happening in that moment, she is crying for the shakespearean tragedy of jimmy mcgill. and kim wexler. and their relationship. and the entire morality tale. and the 24 hours she's just had. no luggage, no sleep, you know. going in, being a stranger in a strange land at the courthouse. letting hamlin's widow persecute her, justifiably. the real -- the honest answer is that i took each of these things that i broke down that make me personally grieve for this situation and these people and

put them -- let it live somewhere in my body. having somebody tell you you're a piece of crap and ruined their lives, the widow, makes me feel i want to throw up. so that was here. >> al: also, you guys were responsible for -- >> his death, yeah. yeah. and that made my chest hurt. >> al: yeah. >> remembering saying good-bye to him made me get that lump, you know that you get in your throat when you try to swallow it down. we've all been in those situations. knowing i'm in public made my ears burn. when i would go through those things, think the thoughts, remember where it lives in your body, then i just fought really hard not to cry. and that's what you see. and every actor knows that. it's about fighting against. >> al: yeah, i'm very familiar. [ laughter ] that technique. >> you know, the person that tries to maintain composure, when that person cries, it hurts a thousand times more. and i knew that. so i'm so glad it was affecting. >> al: this is why you've been nominated for two emmys. [ cheers and applause ]

>> the second one is just for crying. it's a crying emmy nomination. >> al: the crying emmy. >> that's the second one. >> al: which they announce first. >> they do? >> so beautiful. it was really beautiful. you know, we got to live with these characters for so long. so a lot of feelings get built up. you live in that person's skin. and so -- >> al: i felt it last night, the finale's brilliant. >> thank you. >> al: it's a -- the series is brilliant. i have to mention carol burnett. >> oh my god, obsessed, she's amazing. >> if you haven't seen the final season, carol burnett, who went to high school across the street -- [ cheers and applause ] >> she's fantastic. >> she grew up right in this neighborhood. she's brilliant, brilliant in this. >> al: she's really one of my heroes. >> same. same. >> dramatic. just so believable and true. >> so much fun. >> and just -- just an amazing

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executives deserve to pay yourselves tens of millions of dollars each year. i've got an empty white board ready to take down your justifications. do you not know why you're getting hundreds of millions of dollars, tens of millions of dollars a year? what is the justification? i'd like to show the american people. >> you know, our -- our compensation is consistent with competitive positions at other companies -- >> reclaiming my time, the other guy gets paid too much too isn't a justification. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: from orange county, california, please welcome congresswoman katie porter. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> al: great to meet you. we've never met.

>> never gotten to meet. >> al: i'm a huge admirer. big. "the inflation reduction act" signed today by the president. kind of a big deal. >> definitely a big deal. i mean, we are actually doing something in washington. that is a big deal! [ cheers and applause ] >> al: it really is. and it's huge. let's talk about what's in that package. of course there's the climate part, which is, you know -- it's been hot lately. >> it's life or death. >> al: it's life or death. >> if we don't do something, orange county is going to feel like las vegas. and that would be the end world for people in orange county. we're soft people. [ laughter ] >> al: and there's also -- what's -- talk about some of the other parts. like medicare being able to negotiate pharmaceuticals. >> this is going to save seniors money on their drugs and

taxpayer money. money i hope we plow back into the research and development of new drugs, expanding coverage for people, making our health care system work better for everyone involved. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: oh, that. >> it's big. big. you also know, it's a huge deal that congress stood up to fig pharma. big pharma got this big price negotiation in the dark of the night. it never should have happened. it has taken us how many years to get it set back? yes, it's about medicare. it's about prescription drug prices. it's also about standing up to corporate special interests. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: well, how many -- when you say congress stood up to the pharmaceutical industry, how many republicans voted in the senate and the house? zero? >> none. >> al: who's standing up for the american people? oh. >> yeah. some of us. some of us.

but i have to say, look. big pharma has had a grip on both sides of the aisle. we've had pharma hearings, both democrats and republicans. the night before the hearing they're out at mixers, taking money from big pharma, the next day they're supposed to hold them accountable? >> al: wait a minute there are lobbyists in washington? [ laughter ] >> i don't know. >> al: i think i met one when i was there. >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> al: when i was in the senate. so we have the climate piece, the pharma piece, also we have -- people on vaca will pay lower premiums. >> part of "the inflation reduction act" is make sure people who get their care through the affordable care act will continue to keep their health care insurance. otherwise people would see a big jump. that is the last thing we need at a time when people are already paying higher prices for food and gas. >> al: that must have been an amazing vote to cast. >> i did it with my thumb. because i was actually, for the

first time since i was sworn in, excited to go to washington! [ cheers and applause ] and i was excited to take my shoes off for the tsa. securing all my devices. really excited. and my plane did not take off for several hours. but don't worry, they rebook med. 30 hours later. and that makes me, by the way, just like a typical american this summer who's having to deal with that. so i was not able to be present for the vote. i was excited to take a red eye, the best kind of red eye, with a connection. >> al: oh. >> to get to washington. so i had to vote by proxy. but i'm not going to let that dampen the joy of this moment. >> al: how did you celebrate? >> i took all the dishes out of the sink and made my kids frito pie. [ laughter and applause ] >> al: and you have three?

>> yeah i think so. [ laughter ] >> al: you are a great questioner. >> thank you. >> al: you -- and one of the -- my favorite things when i was in the senate was asking questions at hearings. how do you prepare? because i know you prepare. >> well, we start about a week out, which is about as much notice as congress gives anybody for anything. >> al: uh-huh? >> we start a week out. we know what the topic is, we might know who some of the witnesses are. we start thinking about, what do the american people want to know? what's on their mind? what are they hearing, and they're wondering if it's really true? we come up with a list of questions. when i say we, i mean my staff, who are incredible. >> al: of course. >> nothing gets done in washington without the staffpeople. >> al: they are the greatest. >> they do the workday in and day out with us. they come up with a list of questions. usually i reject all of those. they then come up with a better list of ideas. they sketch it out, i edit it, then we start role playing. >> al: okay. so you really do this? this is like -- it's like murder boards almost? >> yes. the hardest thing is finding

staff who are as uncooperative as ceos. [ laughter ] >> al: are they getting better at it? >> they're believers, they're wonderful human beings. i'll say, "isn't it true that yo are paid way more than you conserve? is it true that you cheated consumers?" and the staff will say, "uh-huh." [ laughter ] >> al: no! >> that's not how it's going to go. you're playing the ceo! they've learned the best thing to model what we're really going to get from ceos, just to -- [ laughter ] right? i mean, there's a lot of that that goes on. >> al: yeah, yeah, i've been there. >> you're doing a good job. >> al: well -- you're just a star in the house. and that preparation just -- you see it. every time you question. i'm just an admirer. >> really think about it, these hearings are not for my health. definitely not. because i tend to drink a lot of diet dr pepper right before i go

do it because i get nervous. >> al: that's really good for you. >> it really is. it's power juice. and so -- not for my health, for the american people. i always try to think about, what do people who are just trying to get their kids picked up from school, trying to make sure their mom took their pills -- what do the american people want to know from this executive what this ceo, and i try to get that answer for them. [ cheers and applause ] >> al: thank you. thank you, katie. we'll be right back with music from los lobos. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by mercedes e-q. all electric, all mercedes.

>> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by mercedes eq. all electric, all mercedes. >> al: i want to thank bob odenkirk, rhea seehorn, congresswoman katie porter and jimmy kimmel. "nightline" is next, but first, their grammy-winning album is called "native sons." here with the song "love special delivery," los lobos!

[ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i was just walking down the street looking for my baby ♪ ♪ if i don't find her you know i'm gonna go crazy ♪ ♪ she walked on out the door she didn't have much to say no ♪ ♪ she just grabbed her bags and left went on her way yeah ♪ ♪ she broke my heart hey ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ packed her bags just the other day no ♪ ♪ you know love special delivery

she never gonna know yeah ♪ ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ]

♪ this is "nightline." >> tonight, political payback. wyoming republican liz cheney pays the price after standing up to the former president. >> freedom must not, cannot, and will not die here. >> attacked by trump as she helps lead the january 6th investigation. >> the people of wyoming are going to tell her, "liz, you're fired, get out of here." >> beaten by a primary opponent who earned trump's ence doersment and embraced his conspiracies. we're on the ground to see why so many in this red state turned against her. >> why did you not vote for liz