ama: have a great night, everyone. ♪ >> lou: from hollywood, it's "jimmy kimmel live"! tonight -- wanda sykes, rza, and music from bailey zimmerman. with cleto and the cletones. and now, jimmy kimmel! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: thank you, everybody. thank you very much. very nice. thank you, cleto. thanks, thanks. oh, please stop. i'm jimmy, i'm the host of the show. thanks for coming, thanks for watching. i hope you had a good long weekend.

i feel rested. i feel more alive than the bing a.i. chatbot. [ laughter ] joe biden did not get presidents' day off. he made a surprise visit to ukraine instead. and while typically surprises and 80 year-olds aren't a great combination -- [ laughter ] this one worked out. president zelensky was happy to see him. you can see it was emotional. and they must have been working on this for a while, because take a look at the video here. they were out walking on the street, not something we typically see with zelenskyy. they honored our president with a plaque on what they call the walk of the brave. which is a very prestigious distinction. only one other american has been enshrined on that street, weird al yankovic. [ laughter and applause ] very big over there, huge, actually. and then biden jumped on a train for a ten hour ride to warsaw where he greeted yet another surprised and enthusiastic group. ♪

>> hello, poland! [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i don't know why that'sfunny. but it is! laugh paragraph it'll be even funnier when he says it in cleveland. [ laughter ] biden popping up in ukraine was pretty badass. if trump had done this, tucker carlson would be humping hannity's leg right now. [ laughter ] he'd be making those little giggle noises while he did it. but these guys, they can't even side with biden over russia. matt gaetz, ron desantis, josh hawley, and of course, donald trump all had something to say. trump boasted, "putin never, ever would have gone into ukraine if i were president. i actually had a very good relationship." yes, you had the kind of very good relationship a ventriloquist has with his dummy. [ laughter ] but of all the hot takes, none brought up more residual vomit than marijuanaly ly soylent gr,

who tweeted -- "this is incredibly insulting. today on our presidents' day, joe biden, the president of the united states chose ukraine over america, while forcing the american people to pay for ukraine's government and war. i cannot express how much americans hate joe biden." well, to be fair, you cannot express anything. [ laughter ] klan mom also said it was insulting for zelensky to wear a t-shirt while meeting biden. right. everybody knows the respectful way to greet a president is to heckle him on national television during his speech. [ laughter ] the russians are not happy about this at all. putin today announced they will suspend their participation in the s.t.a.r.t. nuclear arms treaty. up to now we had an agreement with russia, which was basically "you show me your missile, i'll show you mine." the s.t.a.r.t. treaty capped the number of nuclear warheads. back in 2010, the u.s. and russia decided that there was no point in spending so much money on nuclear weapons, so we agreed that each of us would only keep enough nukes to blow up the other one, like, ten times. which seemed reasonable. [ laughter ] but now putin is like, "we may want to blow you up eleven times." and so we of course have no choice but to say, "then we'll

blow you up twelve times." and so on. just as jesus talked about in the bible. [ laughter ] and as if we don't already have enough to worry about, with a possible nuclear war, ufos, megan fox and machine gun kelly have had me up very late at night. [ laughter ] now we have a new existential threat. canadian super pigs! have you heard about this? what they now call pigs was born in the '80s when farmers bred a domestic pig with a wild boar. the idea was to breed an animal with more meat on it, and i guess it worked because these pigs can weigh close to 700 pounds. of course they've escaped from captivity, and they're now wreaking havoc on everything in their path. and they're headed towards the united states. [ laughter ] and the only way they can be stopped is by guy fieri with a tanker full of donkey sauce. [ laughter ] [ applause ] this is -- i mean, it's funny, but it's dangerous. the last time americans were

threatened by a superpig, we elected him president. [ laughter ] trump had a good idea this weekend. it was truly nikki haley's idea, but he took it to make it seem like it wasn't about him. he wrote, "anybod running for the office of president of the united states should agree to take a full and complete mental competence test." blah, blah, blah. "and likewise, but to a somewhat lesser extent, agree to a test which would prove that you are physically capable of doing the job. being an outstanding president requires great mental acuity and physical stamina." or so i've heard. [ laughter ] i really hope they do. i would pay 50 grand to watch him try to do a situp. i really would. [ laughter ] hulk hoagie spent his presidents' day with a q&a at the airport hilton in palm beach. true. [ laughter ] trump spoke to a group of supporters known as "club 45." this is some kind of a trump fan club. i went on the website. tickets to the event included a discount for tony roma's ribs. [ laughter ] for real. the lord of mar-a-lago took questions from the crowd,

including a 5-year-old girl who asked a question about inflation. keep in mind this 5-year-old girl was also there when the subject line turned to our borderers. he wanted to make something abundantly clear. >> they're going to legalize somebody eventually. if they're in. including the criminals that come in, which are plenty. remember i used the word rape? in my opening speech, i mentioned the word rape. remember? it was so terrible i mentioned the word rape. i get great marks, then about two days later they called, "did he say rape?" i said, "yes, i said rape." [ laughter ] >> jimmy: make america rape again. it's his new slogan. [ laughter ] what was that idea about the mental competency test again? [ laughter ] we're getting more insight into the devious mind of george santos, from of all people, george santos. the future former congressman inexplicably sat for a lengthy interview with piers morgan who asked why he told so many lies during the campaign. >> well -- i'll humor you this.

i ran in 2020 for the same exact seat. for congress. and i got away with it then. and i guess -- >> right. well, that's honest. stupid. so you thought, actually, they're not going to find out? >> no, i didn't think so. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you see, the reason why you lied is he usually gets away with it. >> i don't cat gorrize these as mistakes, i think they're part of your cathartic process of redemption, if you like. it's got to start from, i've been a terrible liar. would you be prepared to say that? >> sure, like i said. >> go on, then. >> i've been a terrible liar on those subjects. >> jimmy: i disagree. i think you've been a pretty spectacular liar. [ laughter ] we haven't seen lying like this in a very long time. [ applause ] i mean, this guy lied about his education, his employment history, his family history, his campaign finances, his charity work, his mother, his volleyball career. he allegedly wrote bad checks. and he told a group of jewish

voters he was jewish. >> you're not jewish? >> well, i never said i was. >> please, you said you were. >> i would always say, "my grandparents are jewish on my mother's side so i'm jew-ish." everybody used to laugh it up. people were hysterically laughing, it was funny to them, they loved it. >> jimmy: i don't think jewish people find it funny. >> they were jewish. >> jimmy: or maybe they were "jew-ish." [ laughter ] you never know now. that's how george santos came up with the show "black-ish." [ laughter ] workshopping in those meetings. now this is what a real jewish lawmaker looks like. look who somehow wandered into the background of a tiktok video. ♪ ♪ >> jimmy: that's bernie sanders. [ applause ] unfortunately the video cut off right before he drops it low. [ laughter ] and why not? today is mardi gras. fat tuesday.

mardi gras is a celebration started in the 1600s when members of a native american tribe in louisiana met with british settlers and gave them beads in exchange for seeing their breasts. [ laughter ] and a tradition was born. and up in salt lake city, they had a little party of their own. they had the nba all-star game this weekend. there are many activities around all star weekend. the slam dunk contest, three point contest, the skills competition, and the celebrity all-star game, headlined by our very own guillermo. was that fun for you, guillermo? [ cheers and applause ] >> guillermo: it was fun, it was great. >> jimmy: did you practice for this? i know you were in the parking lot shooting hoops. >> guillermo: practiced a little bit. >> jimmy: a little bit. guillermo's a better athlete than you might guess from looking at him. it was with much excitement that we watched him fly through the air with the greatest of ease at the nba celebrity all-star game. ♪ ♪

>> guillermo: i might be the worst player here, but i'm the best dressed here. this is from a steve harvey husky collection. yeah, look. got a towel, i got some churros in there in case i get hungry. >> what can we expect from you on that basketball court? >> guillermo: a lot of sweating and maybe a heart attack. ♪ ♪ >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> he's our best chance at seeing a slam dunk during tonight's game. from abc's "jimmy kimmel live" -- guillermo rodriguez!

>> guillermo, you're in. >> guillermo: take it easy on me, man. >> okay, bub, i got you. >> guillermo's in the building! my guy guillermo. >> kane brown, the country music star, left it a little bit short. he's moving his feet laterally really well right now. i think henrienrique likes this matchup against him. enrique pulls from deep. >> oh, oh, wait, tried to make a pass. >> watch out, watch out. he's trying to make -- >> oh, reach up -- oh! >> guillermo's ready to go. guillermo time! >> went into the crowd. and died on that air ball. >> oh, guillermo. the people's choice, guillermo. >> we're going to take a short break. back to salt lake city right after this. >> can i ask you a trivia

question? >> sure. >> are you ready for this? all right, here it is. it's a celebrity game. there's some celebrities down there. one of them is guillermo rodriguez. what show is he on? jimmy kimmel, jimmy fallon, or jimmy buffett >> jimmy fallon. >> jimmy fallon? that's correct! >> leading by three as we get ready to start the third quarter of play. mark jones chopping it up courtside, they're not here to play around, they're serious about this thing. >> i think they're ready for a fun second half. >> i love that. >> he needs to pick on someone his own size. >> come on, that's illegal. >> how do you feel you've been playing so far? >> guillermo: well, i think -- i'm trying my best, i think i'm doing okay. i haven't scored a basket yet but i'm looking forward to score the basket. >> you're saying, give the rock to you? >> guillermo: give me the ball, pass me the ball, yes. >> let me talk to one of your assistant coaches. guillermo thinks he wants the rock more.

what do you think of that strategy? >> he's my favorite, we started him. but we want to win as well. >> guillermo -- >> that is the most guillermo thing that you will see tonight. >> so fitting. >> we need to count that as a bucket. >> oh, yeah, oh, yeah. that's my pizza. hey, coach, i ordered pizza. you want some pizza? >> smells good. >> what is guillermo doing? >> wait a minute. >> he's coming over to shaq. >> you want pizza? >> this is not time for that kind of delivery. >> no, no, not papa john's, not papa john's, get that out of here. >> i love shaq, he's the best. he's the best. best man right here.

>> enrique but the clamps on. showtime for d.k. oh! >> that might be it. >> oh! >> yes, yes! >> bedlam at midcourt! the bucket does not count. and team dwyane wins it. one more look. the ball was still in hand at the expiration of the clock. right there. you can see it. >> guillermo: listen, we didn't win, but at least i got my cereal endorsed. here, you want to try my cereal? i'm giving it to you. it's for you. thank you so much. wow, he took my cereal! yeah! i tried my best, i had a lot of fun. i'm so tired, i'm going to go eat right now and i'm dying for a beer.

[ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: well done. you all right? >> guillermo: yeah. >> jimmy: guillermo, everybody. we've got a good show for you ptonight. rza is here. we have music from bailey zimmerman. and we'll be right back with wanda sykes.

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[ cheers and applause ] we've got new shows all the way through friday this week with guests including anthony mackie, keri russell, the one and only tom cruise will be with us here, we'll have music from gracie abrams, logic, and walk off the earth. please join us for that. our first guest is one of the funniest people i've had the pleasure of knowing. she's a widely celebrated performer with a very funny show called "the upshaws" on netflix now. please welcome wanda sykes! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: how are you? >> all right, i'm great. >> jimmy: very good to see you, you look great. >> thank you. >> jimmy: how's life? >> life is wonderful, man. >> jimmy: do you celebrate mardi gras? is that part of your thing? >> yes. >> jimmy: i know you have some french stuff going on. >> i mean, i just drink. that's the whole thing. that's how you celebrate, yes.

i'm drunk now. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: do you go with -- what do they call them, the hurricane? isn't that what they drink in new orleans? >> yes, the hurricane. a big, giant -- the cups and the tubes and stuff. you know, my liver doesn't agree with that. >> jimmy: i see. >> it's too much. >> jimmy: there's a lot of sugar. >> a lot of sugar. now i just ease into it. >> jimmy: have you been to mardi gras? >> yeah, yeah, i've been. >> jimmy: did you like it? >> i loved it. >> jimmy: loved it? >> yeah, it's a lot of fun. i'm pretty sure -- what i remember, i think i had a good time. >> jimmy: you did, yeah? [ laughter ] >> pretty sure i had a blast. >> jimmy: i found it terrifying. being at mardi gras was scary to me. >> yeah, why, why? >> jimmy: so many people, they know then there was a time where -- it was like i was in the ocean, but the ocean was people. >> what are you doing in the ocean? [ laughter ] laugh. >> jimmy: not the actual ocean. >> i was going to say, you're way off. just stick to bourbon street, man, what you doing?

>> jimmy: it didn't matter where i wanted to go, i was going wherever the crowd decided i wanted to go. >> yes, right, right. >> jimmy: i imagine -- you're not a particularly tall person, no offense. >> none taken. >> jimmy: this would be even worse if you were not tall. >> yeah. yeah, i don't like getting in the mix, mix. >> jimmy: i see. >> yeah, you find somebody with a balcony or something, you kind of stand off the balcony. you might have to whip a titty every now and then. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i've done that too. >> it's part of the fun. >> jimmy: when in rome. you're being festive. >> exactly, exactly. >> jimmy: i think about this from time to time. it's always hard to wrap my head around. before you were in comedy, you worked for the nsa, the national seurity agency. >> yes, i did. >> jimmy: you had top secret clearance and all. top secret, or somewhat secret clearance? >> no, i had above top secret class. >> jimmy: there's an above top secret? >> shh, don't tell nobody. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: what is your take,

then on these ufos that we're seeing? is that something that your agency would have looked into? >> um -- >> jimmy: before the space force took over? [ laughter ] >> yeah, yeah, yeah. probably. and you know, i think it's just a bad -- a lot of those gender reveal parties gone wrong. [ laughter ] see, you didn't see it, you look closely when they shot it down, gas just blue smoke, it was blue smoke. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: it's a boy, then. >> it's a boy. >> jimmy: what about the chatbots? the a.i. chatbots? >> i heard about that, yeah. >> jimmy: this is something that you think -- honestly, you've been in -- part what was you did was protecting us from hackers, right? isn't that part of the deal? >> i mean, hey. i didn't do that. that wasn't my job. my job, i was a contracting specialist. i basically shopped all day. >> jimmy: i see. [ laughter ] >> i bought stuff for the government. >> jimmy: you bought stuff for the government. do you feel that this is

something -- does it concern you personally? >> it does. but it's like the a.i. -- it pretty much is learning from us using it, right? >> jimmy: i don't know. but i hope not. [ laughter ] i really hope not. >> yeah, and it's kind of like -- i think they're worried because it's getting emotional and stuff, right? it turned on the reporter," leave your wife" and all that. i think the a.i.'s been watching a lot of "real housewives." [ laughter ] we got to watch what it watches. don't let marjorie taylor greene talk to it. [ laughter ] then it's going to be real dumb. it's not going to be any intelligence at all. >> jimmy: keep a.i. away from mtg and e! basically and we'll be good. your twins are how old now? >> they're 13. >> jimmy: do you monitor their online activity very closely? >> yes. i try -- like, they don't have social media right now.

>> jimmy: do you have the filters on the deal? because i feel like if you put those on, the kids are smarter than you are. >> they're smarter, they know how to get around it. i just told them, "don't let me catch you." that's the whole thing. they'll ob land lines. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: it is funny that that's a threat. >> that's a threat, yeah. that's all you got to do. "don't make me buy you a land line." [ laughter ] "and a long-ass cord, you don't want that." >> jimmy: feels like that's going to come back, like records, like lps. my sister and i, i remember begging our parents to let us have a phone. the only reason they got it is because we were always on their phone. >> right. >> jimmy: now it would be a punishment. >> i know. >> jimmy: what kind of a world are we in? >> it's crazy, jimmy. >> jimmy: are they interested in your work, the kids? do they watch your stuff? >> they're somewhat into it. they know what i do. and they're into it. but it's like -- as far as

watching the shows, like "the upshaws" is streaming now. they watch it, but they watch it in french. yeah. >> jimmy: oh, right, your wife speaks french. >> exactly, they're fluent in french. they watch it in french. >> jimmy: why do they choose to watch it without your voice on it? you're not doing the voice, right? >> yeah, it's not my voice. i don't know if they're sick of hearing my voice, they'd rather hear some french lady do it. [ laughter ] maybe they're being polite. "i can't stand her voice." i don't know. but they watch it in french. >> jimmy: do you watch it in french with them? >> i did. because, you know -- what i'm trying -- i'm trying to learn to speak french. but it's also -- you know, i was curious. pi was like, oh, i hope this comes off right. >> jimmy: right. >> there's a lot of potential for it to sound very racist, right? >> jimmy: right. >> a french lady, you know -- she's like, "oui, oui!" or -- you know. yeah. yeah it could have been real ugly, you know.

>> jimmy: does your wife let you know if something was amiss? >> well no -- the person who's doing my voice -- i think it's good. all of our voices for the show. i think they're doing a good job. >> jimmy: okay, all right. >> it doesn't sound crazy. >> jimmy: we're going to have to check on all 180 other countries. >> exactly. i'm telling you, be careful. if you watch it in french, it's going to screw up your home page. your home page, you're going to get nothing but shows from nigeria. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: is that right? >> yeah, it's just a bunch of -- >> jimmy: see, that's what we need a.i. working on. >> exactly. >> jimmy: we're going to take a break. we're going to see a clip from "the upshaws." we're going to talk about your project with mel brooks as well. wanda sykes is with us. we'll be right back. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> lou: portions of "jimmy kimmel live" are brought to you by silk nextmilk. made from plants, tastes like milk. -what's he doing? -he's cleaning the trash cans. oh, boy. meeting a new young homeowner for the first time is a unique challenge. -so you think you can help? -i can try.

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you find a corner and stay there until i come get you. >> i know i'm crashing but can you please not act like i'm embarrassing you? >> oh, bubbly, oh, mama liky. let me get two for them kids that i left at home. >> okay, just tell your friends you don't know me. >> already my plan. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that is wanda psychs and kim fields in new episodes of "the upshaws" on netflix. i know you're shooting -- so this is the third season, right? >> right, part three. >> jimmy: you're shooting the fourth season already? >> i guess -- is that part four?

yeah, we're shooting part four now. >> jimmy: the show must be doing great for netflix to renew it before they figure out how it's going for season three? >> yeah, it's doing great. we debuted at number four. and right now i think we're at number eight. but really, we're the number one comedy on netflix. [ cheers and applause ] because everything else -- you see there -- yeah, everything so we're the number one comedy - on netflix. >> jimmy: that's pretty good. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: there's a scene -- i watched an episode today where you were playing the drums. >> yeah. >> jimmy: and i didn't even -- you were really playing the drums. i didn't know you were a drummer. >> i'm full of secrets, jimmy. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yeah, you really are. it's amazing you got security clearance with all these secrets. have you been playing the drums since school? >> yes, since elementary skill. what happened -- i don't think it was by choice. because my brother's five years older, right? and he wanted to play -- learn how to play drums.

my parents bought him a drum kit. then maybe after a year, two years, he gave up. he quit. so when i came along and -- you know, fourth grade, it was pick an instrument. i said, i want to play the saxophone. nope, you're playing the drums because we already bought this damn kit. [ laughter ] i did it and i loved it and i stayed with it through high i was in band, marching band, orchestra. >> jimmy: you were? >> yeah. i started to do it in college, be in the marching band, but i went to hampton university, which is an hbcu, historically black college. they do too much. drumline, it's all this -- >> jimmy: there's a lot going on there. >> i'm like, i'm going to give myself a hysterectomy doing this. [ laughter ] all of that -- it was a lot, doing a lot. the drums weren't comfortable, that big metal bracket, like bam! i'm like, these guys have no nuts.

[ laughter ] eun eunuchs? wearing a cup? what's going on? i played for my gospel choir, in church for the gospel choir. >> jimmy: that's gentler. >> just praise the lord. >> jimmy: that's crazy. tell me about this. "the history of the world part 2." it's you, nick kroll, ike barinholtz. >> nick's partner, yeah. >> jimmy: we've got this classic movie mel brooks made, "the history of the world part 1." there should be a part 2 if it's called part 1. >> yes. >> jimmy: you convinced mel to do this? >> well, i believe mel started it. >> jimmy: okay. >> yeah, mel was the one who started it. yeah. and then he brought on nick. and nick brought me on and then we had ike and dave come on. >> jimmy: have you spent time with mel brooks working on this show? >> yes, yeah. >> jimmy: is it as great as one might imagine? >> i mean, you know -- it wasn't like an everyday thing. >> jimmy: right. >> whenever he was around and

would pop on, you know -- we had to do zoom before we had the room. it was just -- you know, like you -- it's just surreal. you're just like, i'm here. >> jimmy: there he is. >> that's mel brooks! i just kept going, i am in the room with mel brooks. he knows who i am. you know? he thinks i'm funny. it's just nothing like it. the guy, he's sharp, funny. of course he's funny, but to be that old and still with it. >> jimmy: yeah. [ laughter ] >> you know what i'm saying. >> jimmy: yeah. >> he's on it, yeah. >> jimmy: he's just funny as he ever was, it's crazy, right? >> yeah, yes. >> jimmy: he might be one of the aliens. he may have come out of one of those balloons we shot down. >> you know what, yeah, yeah. i think him and norman lear, they got a secret somewhere. >> jimmy: i think you're right. it's great to see you. >> good to see you too. >> jimmy: "history of the world part 2" premieres on hulu march 6th. "the upshaws," new episodes on netflix now. wanda sykes, everybody!

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music from bailey zimmerman is on the way. over 30 years ago, our next guest founded one of the greatest hip-hop groups of all-time. he's telling the whole story. watch new episodes of his emmy-nominated series "wu tang: an american saga" wednesdays on hulu. please welcome the rza. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> jimmy: very good to see you. >> good to see you too. >> jimmy: remember last time you were here? well, last time we were in brooklyn. but before that, i don't know if you remember, you were telling me about this idea you had for this show. >> uh-huh? >> jimmy: and i was like, wow, that sounds like a great idea. and then we were preparing to go to brooklyn, you guys were going to perform on the show. method man was here with us. he had no idea we were doing it in brooklyn.

had you not pointed that out to him, he would have been here in this studio in l.a. alone. [ laughter ] while the rest of the group was in brooklyn. >> yeah, he thought you was filming in l.a. >> jimmy: which makes sense. >> we did a whole skit there in brooklyn. a bunch of cameras. the studio was in brooklyn. he should have figured it out. >> jimmy: is that something you have to deal with on a regular basis? >> they call me the abbott. the abbott the best knower. he knows secret thing quous may have missed. >> jimmy: right, right. >> i pointed it out. >> jimmy: in this case, not a secret at all. [ laughter ] and then the show came to be. it became -- it's a big hit. you're on the third season. it's spectacular. >> yeah. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. you know, crazy. you know, every time i -- as i told you about the show, every time i do something, i try to visualize before i do it. and i actually was visualizing coming here. and i had a dream -- excuse me

for talking about my dreams. >> jimmy: no, no, go ahead. >> you was in my -- well, the jimmy kimmel show was in my dream. >> jimmy: really? >> i was supposed to come on, i'm all excited, i sit down and ricky gervais -- >> jimmy: okay, yeah, ricky gervais. >> he took your place hosting because you went on vacation. >> jimmy: oh. >> nobody tells me. i'm sitting here, he's beating me up with all these bad remarks. i said," ricky, i'm happy to are here, since jimmy's not here i'm going to leave." i took off my mic and started to walk away. i stopped me, "no, please just hold it for one second, just give me a closeup." i stood there, took a closeup. he said, "we'll edit around you." [ laughter ] i woke up waving. my wife is like, what are you waving at? >> jimmy: the crowd? [ laughter ] >> it was big, brother. >> jimmy: was guillermo there? >> you know, no. you was on vacation with him, i think, i don't know. >> guillermo: we were in hawaii,

yeah. >> jimmy: hawaii. i didn't even make it into your dream. i'm disappointed. i got bumped from your dream. and you got roasted by ricky gervais. [ laughter ] >> man, it was crazy, man. >> jimmy: had you been smoking something the night before? no? >> i been sober, man. >> jimmy: you've been sober? >> what i did the night before, i performed my first ballet. >> jimmy: yeah, tell me about that. >> i mean, i wasn't dancing. >> jimmy: right, right, right. your first ballet. i like the idea of your first ballet. you wrote and composed a ballet? >> yeah, so we performed it in colorado. maybe i had a lot of stress on my head that made me go to bed and dream about you or dream about the show. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: the colorado symphony orchestra backed you. >> yeah. >> jimmy: when you say you wrote a ballet, does that mean you told the dancers what to do? you came -- iuorio graphed it as well? or no? >> no, i had a choreographer named yusha. i wrote a story called a ballet

through mondud. in buddhism, if you go through mud, you may also go out as a lotus. >> jimmy: okay. >> so the idea of the story was, six young people trying to explore life, maybe their first drink, their first smoke, their first encounter with love. and it becomes tragic. and it turns them all upside down. then eventually, though, they evolve and realize that everything is exploration. if you go through the mud, you can be born yourself as a lotus. >> jimmy: incredible. you had this thought then you thought, i will make it a ballet. >> yeah. >> jimmy: yeah, because it could be a movie, it could be a story, a song, anything. >> yeah, i thought ballet. i don't know why, brother. >> jimmy: yeah, i'm sure the guys in the symphony didn't know why either. [ laughter ] >> well, none of my wu-tang brothers showed up, i'll tell you that. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that must have been fun for these musicians in the symphony who are used to playing this very formal kind of music.

>> oh, man. in the crowd we had people from the age of 70 to 7. right? you had people dressed in their formal, you know, orchestra attire. then you had people with the wu-tang hoodies on. some girls dressed like they was going to the club. for the first time -- i'm not proud of this but it's a true thing, jimmy. for the first time in history, the f-bomb was dropped at the colorado symphony. [ laughter and applause ] >> jimmy: oh, congratulations. you brought something here that i think is pretty great. i'm going to hold this up. you didn't bring the actual notebook. this is something that you cherish. this is something -- a notebook full of lyrics starting from when you were how old? >> about 14 years old. >> jimmy: would you mind? i know you have some photograph. this is what they look like. reading some of the lyrics that you wrote when you were a teen? >> wow. put me on the spot here. this book is so old, raekwon says it's starting to grow hair

on this book. [ laughter ] this is when i was 14 years old. i had -- i called myself the rap scientist. it was a item call state, a mathematical former. i select myself as the emmy emperor. who's your posse conqueror, cold-hearted warrior? my exterior i'm superior you other emmys are inferior. your dialect when i project correct will inflict with slicks so they can't detect my acknowledgement to this establishment to truly present the rakim is excellent. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that's incredible. and you write something like that, will you show to it one of your teachers? will you show it to your family? will you show to it anyone? >> not to my teachers. actually, i was one of those kids in class that would finish his work first, then write a lyric, you know what i mean? what's amazing about this book if i can share with you is

it really goes from the age of 1418. it's pre-wu-tang. some lyrics are about my teachers. one of my teachers i didn't like, i looked at the other student, know what i mean? even though he was a pretty girl, he shouldn't have been looking at her. i wrote a lyric about some of my friends, the first time they drank beer in the bathroom. >> jimmy: this is why you couldn't show it to the teachers. a lot of the incriminating stuff in there. >> exactly. >> jimmy: then did this help you, these lyrics, in writing the show? >> well, these lyrics actually helped the ballet. there's one here. >> jimmy: yeah, go ahead, yeah. >> so like i said, the ballet was based on six teens. when i found it during the pndemic, it helped me write the ballet. sue was this girl that was really quite fly. brad was real cool when he was a guy. lisa was freaky, she loved to have sex. dexter was some man but they

called him sex. joe was just their friend and he was a nerd. broad bought the beer, sue brought the smoke, joe was the type that didn't get high nor did monica but she was willing to try. >> jimmy: wow. [ applause ] >> it goes on. >> jimmy: amazing. i mean, if my kid wrote something like this, i don't know, it's put him in a special super genius school or something. >> it did work out for me. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: things really worked out. and you can see the whole process this season three, after you guys find success, you're now recording solo albums in wu-tang clan. did you ever think about not using the word clan in the name of the group? [ laughter ] >> no, well -- you see, i use a "c." >> jimmy: you used the "c," spelled it properly, yes. it's great to have you here. thanks for sharing that. that's unbelievable. you should publish that, that

would be inspirational to young people, right? >> i'll -- >> jimmy: think about it. >> i'll think about that. >> jimmy: rza, everybody. wu-tang. "wu-tang: an american saga" on hulu right now. we'll be back with bailey zimmerman. >> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by mercedes-benz. the all-electric mercedes-benz lineup is here.

>> lou: the "jimmy kimmel live" concert series is presented by mercedes-benz. the all-electric mercedes-benz lineup is here. >> jimmy: thanks to wanda sykes and the rza. apologies to matt damon. "nightline" is next but first, his ep is called "leave the light on." here with the song "rock and a hard place," bailey zimmerman! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ ♪ ♪ we've been swingin' and missin' it ain't broke yet but damn it needs fixin' ♪ ♪ been a while since your kiss felt like kissin'

it's just different we've been talkin' ♪ ♪ 'bout forever since we been together somethin' 'bout a ring makes you think ♪ ♪ we're better off with all this but we're caught in-between a rock and a hard place ♪ ♪ red wine and mistakes tears rollin' down your face when i walked out that door that's when i lost it ♪ ♪ midnight in austin damn i'm exhausted what the hell's this all for is this where it mends ♪ ♪ or it breaks between a rock and a hard place for the record yeah ♪

♪ throwin' in the towel takes some effort so i'd rather ride it out for better weather ♪ ♪ together between a rock and a hard place red wine and mistakes ♪ ♪ tears rollin' down your face when i walked out that door ♪ ♪ that's when i lost it midnight in austin damn i'm exhausted what the hell's ♪ ♪ this all for is this where it mends or it breaks between a rock ♪ ♪ and a hard place we've been talkin' 'bout forever since we been together ♪ ♪ somethin' 'bout a ring makes you think we're better

off with all this but we're caught in between ♪ ♪ a rock and a hard place tears rollin' down your face as i walked out that door that's when i lost it ♪ ♪ midnight in austin damn i'm exhausted what the hell's this all for ♪ ♪ is this where it mends or it breaks how much more of this can we take ♪ [ cheers and applause ]

♪ this is "nightline." >> tonight, rap trap. should lyrics really be used as evidence in criminal prosecutions? stars like will.i.am weighing in on the controversy. >> there's lots of us locked up in prison. >> some call it a disturbing trend of criminalizing black art. >> music is entertainment. i won't water down my music for nothing. >> inside the case against grammy-winner rapper young thug, known for hits like "stoner." ♪ a trial reigniting the debate about using rap lyrics as evidence. penn