♪ [cheers and applause] >> thank you ♪ ♪ >> this is "nightline". >> tonight, trump liable. the former president ordered to pay $5 million for sexually abusing and defaming e. jean carroll after in court insisting she's not your type. >> march la. >> you say that's march la in this photo. >> yeah, that's my. >> plus border count down with title 42 set to expire. >> we are maximizing the resources we have. we are doing so within the system, an immigration system that is fundamentally wre o bot

ignt citiesos america bracing for a surge. >> we're tired and it's stressing our resources. >> and the white house fending off fury from both sides of the political aisle. >> we're doing all we can. it's going to be chaotic for a while. ♪ >> and salt-n-pepa, original rap royalty ♪ >> trail blazing women who pushed it to the limit in a male-dominated world. >> we always had to bring it hard on stage. we knew it had to be a step above. >> and the pressure they faced offstage along the way. >> i don't think i've ever said this out loud. "nightline" will be right back. ♪ ♪

>> good evening thank you for joining us. we begin in it with the verdict in another high-profile legal battle involving former president donald trump. this time a case where his own comments about women were successfully used as evidence against him. here's abc's erin ca terski. >> historically that's true with stars. >> he bragged in his deposition stars could get away with sexual assaulting women but today they took less than three hours to decide former president donald trump sexually assaulted e. jean

carroll ordering her to pay $5 million in damages. the three men and eight women found he sexually assaulted her in the dressing room in the 1990s but not convinced he raped her as she claimed. he called her story a complete con job a hoax and lie and insisting carol was not my type. carol's lawyers seized on that statement showing the jury the moment in a deposition when trump saw a photo of carol and confused her for his ex-wife march la maples. >> it is marla. >> you're saying marla's in this photo? >> that's marla, yeah, that's my wife. >> which woman are you pointing to. >> here. >> the person you're pointing to is carol. >> that moment proved he was exactly donald trump's type and the way he treated her fit a pattern of behavior two other women testified he assaulted them, too, and jurors heard

trump's own words on the now infamous access hollywood video. >> i just start kissing them it's like a magnet. and when you're a star they let you do it. you can do anything. >> trump who was receipt repeatedly given the opportunity to testify never once attended the trial a decision his attorney defended today. >> what more could he say other than he didn't do it. >> reporter: tonight trump calling the verdict a disgrace, a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time. his lawyer says he will appeal. >> our thanks to aaron. >> now to the crisis at the border and concerns tonight the situation may soon get much worse and title 42, a controversial covid era policy ends. a rule that allows migrants crossing the border to be expelled before seeking asylum. abc is on the border in el paso tonight. maria. >> byron you can feel the tension growing in the el paso area because we're still two days away from title 42 officially coming to an end but already we are seeing a surge of

migrants all along the southern border trying to get into the united states to request asylum. but we are also seeing a surge of texas national guardsmen especially in this area. they're getting prepared for the end of this controversial rule and all of this exposing the weaknesses in our immigration system. >> reporter: in the border town of el paso texas right before the break of dawn migrants sleeping on the streets awakened by ice agents armed with guns and handcuffs, some in plain clothes passed out flyers in spanish warning those without proper documentation could soon be deported. hours later agents returning in large numbers to identify those who may have crossed over illegally. it's all part of a targeted operationally ahead of title 42 expiring later this week.

controversial covid era rule that allowed swift expulsion of migrants before they could seek asylum. >> migrants aren't really sure what the rules are going to be. some people think they have to rush to get into the united states other people are waiting trying to get in friday, saturday thinking it will be a lot easier. >> reporter: ten miles south of el paso hundreds of migrants lined the chain link fence to cross into the u.s. after long journeys and days >> venezuela. >> reporter: with only two days left until title 42 expires, officials anticipate that up to 10,000 migrants may attempt to cross over daily. >> the need here is enormous. >> reporter: overwhelming an already fragile and frail system. >> title 42 was touted as the toughest border measure ever but in reality we've seen the largest numbers of people ever

coming to the border. >> reporter: tonight we're on both sides of the border talking to those seeking asylum. and the communities already exhausted by the surge. >> we're tired. we're tired. we've been receiving large numbers for a long time as a community and it's stressing our resources. i would say there is a basic fundamental appreciation for their plight here, but there's a certain fear as well. >> reporter: fear is why this woman and her family have been waiting in mexico for two months. this little girl clinging to the small comforts in this make shift tent camp surrounded by trash without running water or electricity.

but the alternate reality is far worse in their home state of mexico where the cartel and its violence dominate. while u.s. officials acknowledge their plight, answers and solutions are few and far between. >> we are maximizing the resources we have to deliver the most efficient results. we are doing so within a system, an immigration system that is fundamentally broken. >> reporter: title 42 has been used to expel migrants over 2.8 million times since march of 2020. on a recent event with border patrol agents in march we watched as several groups were apprehended in a matter of hours, one included a family with small >> there's five here with two

children, all of them are from mexico. there's a good chance that this group right here will quickly get processed and will be back in mexico by the end of the day. >> they'll be back in mexico within, i'll say, 8-10 hours. >> reporter: and the likelihood of them coming back in. >> very high. >> reporter: while title 42 allows agents to quickly get migrants out of the country it doesn't come with legal consequences. meaning migrants can make multiple attempts at illegal entry. when it expires, cbp will continue to use title 8, a pre-existing immigration policy. >> in theory, title 8 is a lot tougher than title 42. they can put them on a plane back to their country of origin and give them a five-year ban from returning to the united states. and if they come back again can prosecute them. >> reporter: those looming restrictions fueling some of the

surge we're seeing today. my colleague matt rivers in mexico. >> this freight train comes from further sown in mexico and migrants take it from the last leg of their journey. from here walking is about three, four house to the u.s. border. >> reporter: this family has made it here from guatemala. >> how was the trip for you? it was okay? you happy? >> reporter: they've tried to cross the border before. >> so basically after the pandemic, she tried for months to get more work and she couldn't get it which is why she's coming here. they spent a lot of money trying to cross and this is the last time they can try. >> reporter: immigration continues to work well in the united states but the immigration system itself is largely broken. and it's based on a framework that was developed in the 1960s and hasn't really been updated for the economy of today or the number of people who want to come to this country.

>> reporter: president biden today talking to the president of mexico and later addressing the chaos. >> we're doing all we can. it's going to be chaotic for a while. >> reporter: the federal government is expanding holding facilities adding immigration officers, even sending 1500 active duty troops to support the response. the president coming under fire from both sides of the political aisle. arizona senator kyrsten sinema weighing in on face the nation. >> rent the buses, hire the drivers, build the facilities so we can process the individuals. >> reporter: governor greg abbott announcing a new tactical border force to deploy to hot spots. >> president biden's open border policies is going to cause a catastrophic disaster in the united states. >> reporter: for months, he's been bussing migrants to places like new york and chicago, which, today, declared states of emergencies. >> chicago simply does not have the infrastructure or resources

to continue and mainly providing for migrants. >> reporter: a nation bracing as the hours wind down. back in el paso, hundreds of texas national guardsmen arriving. >> i am certain that we're going to be able to limit the number of crowds, limit the number of migrants who are crossing in our area of responsibility. but we only have so many soldiers in the state of texas. we can only defend so much of our border. >> reporter: while the lines of those hoping to keep growing. >> i tell my soldiers all the time, right, treat the migrants with dignity and respect. they're human beings just like we are. >> our thanks to maria. abc news will have continuing coverage of the border crisis. >> up next, from what a man to shoot, tamara hall interviews salt-n-pepa about what it took to break barriers in the rap game. ♪

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>> byron: hip-hop celebrities a half century the contributions of two female rappers impossible to ignore. salt-n-pepa, now the trail blazers reflecting on their legacy and the obstacles they overcame. here's tamron hall ♪ oh, baby baby. >> reporter: they are rap royalty pushing it for almost four decades salt-n-pepa unafraid to get real with songs like let's talk about sex ♪ let's talk about sex baby. >> reporter: cultural force icons in music giving us an

exclusive look into their lives and legacies as we hope a hip-hop milestone. >> to celebrate the 50th anniversary for hip-hop is amazing and for us, it's such a male dominated field and had a hard time because we were such a, you know, popular crossing over selling millions and they gave us a hard time, you know, saying we were too pop, you know. >> too pop. >> too pop. >> too sexy. >> too sexy. >> too everything. >> you say we brought what to the game. >> fun fashion and femininity. >> these trail blazers paved the way for women. the first female rap group to ever go platinum nominated for five grammy awards winning one in 1995 and receiving a lifetime achievement grammy in 2021. even getting a star on the walk of fame last year. >> talk to me about that over the years of what you had to bring to beat the orders?

>> excellence, like consistency, being authentic, reinventing ourselves, being innovative. >> what was the biggest reininvestigation? so you come out. >> shoot was a big reinvention. >> you make me want to shoot ♪ ♪ >> reporter: schoop of course was their hit single back in 1993. >> that was a reinvention for that video for us we were feeling ourselves. so this is one of our great reinventions plus schoop is a song pep brought to me the first song on the very necessary album. >> i co-produced. >> we had to fight to get that song, with the record company like not respecting what we thought about our own careers. we knew this was a great song and it should kick off the album. >> but that i can your thing 1988 the ripped up jeans. >> let's talk about

>> let's talk about that ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> let's rip the jeans up. we're ripping our jeans up. you saw ripped up jeans before that? >> nobody. >> thank you. >> and we were ripping our jeans up with a razor blade and now people are paying $140 for that. >> way more than that girl. >> reporter: their influence inspiring that era but also new generations of female performers. >> the generation now filling in the gap, and that's what's good, you know, to keep it pushing and keeping it going and understanding the history, how this great music has evolved globally, culturally, products across the board and all kinds of news, rock and roll country. >> fashion. >> fashion. >> the duo says they refuse to give up despite the challenges women in hip-hop faced at the time. >> going back to those days you are on stage, you're expected to be sexy and you also want to be

moms. >> it was a challenge. >> we had bassinets in the back of the tour bus a lot of days, bringing nannies and curriculums on the road and missing them because sometimes. >> can't take them. >> can't take them with us all the time. >> even now women are told if you have a child you can't have a career or you can't have it all or certainly, i'm sure you experience that. >> yep. we want to be moms and we was moms and we said we can do it and we took whatever came, my way i handled it, which was taking the good with the bad. i don't think i've ever said this out loud. >> i was actually asked to have an abortion, i won't say by who. but to your point, yeah, like you just have to know that it's something that you're capable of handling if you want a kid and you want to have a career. it's definitely harder. >> in a world that so many things can be manufactured, there was nothing about hip-hop

that was manufactured and there was nothing that was manufactured about the group. >> right. >> we knew as women in this business that we were going to be standing up against some amazing great men who controlled this industry, and we always had to bring it hard on stage and rehearsal putting our shows together, putting our look together, our videos, our ideas. >> everything. >> we knew had to be a step above. >> these days it's family and multiple projects including a tour keeping salt-n-pepa busy. >> i'm being a little selfish and it feels great validating myself. i was one of thosee pleadierns y u ee teop. leik ayourself. fl l is in the works here. [laughter]. >> your mouth to god's ears. >> self help and together you're still touring. >> yes, yes.

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♪ >> byron: finally tonight, a history making mascot revealed. here's abc's david pure. >> reporter: at the university of south carolina a mystery solved. the identity of their school mascot, a closely guarded secret. the role always a high honor.

football games basketball games leading the marching band and tonight here the graduation reveal. 22 year old sarah sylvester a biomedical engineering grad sarah has been the mascot proudly still wearing the feet there the school's first-ever lead female mascot. >> i can see that joy light up in their face. it has given me a whole new perspective on life and one i hope i can continue to carry with me in my future. >> reporter: sarah telling us she's grateful to her professors and for the chance to be the mascot. >> byron: our thanks to david. that's fight line for this evening. catch our full episodes on