>> building a better bay area. moving forward. finding solutions. this every day we talk with experts about issues important to the bay area and we get answers for you in real time today. desperate times call for desperate measures, and kaiser permanente is now making the overdose reversal drug narcan available to all. we'll get details from a kaiser doctor. also. are you suffering from tipping fatigue? many people are . so we'll talk live with the leading etiquette expert and coauthor of emily's post etiquette about when you really need to tip and how much. but first, california cleaning up after tropical storm hillary brought forth unusual summer. torrential rain, flood and landslides. meantime a sizable 5.1 magnitude quake struck not

far away. epicenter in ojai, about 80 miles northwest of los angeles near santa barbara. >> chief, i'm really sorry to interrupt you right now. our our studio is shaking right now. so not only are we dealing with a tropical storm, but it appears we are now dealing with an earthquake. >> so that was the reaction from the anchors at our sister station, kabc in los angeles as the quake happened on live tv yesterday. the twin events happening have people asking questions about the relationship between severe storms and seismic activity. joining us live, world renowned seismologist dr. lucy jones, founder of the dr. lucy jones center for science and society. dr. jones, thanks for joining us. >> happy to be here. thanks for having me. >> i'm sure you saw her quake trending at any relationship between the tropical storm and the quake. >> no, the reality is the earthquake is happening miles below the surface of the earth and the weather four miles down . it doesn't change day by day.

so it's coincidence. >> but what about the idea? right. i've seen some write up where it says very, very large, low pressure changes associated with storms can trigger fall slip. >> people want a pattern. one of the most fundamental human activities is to try and create a pattern and because if you can say this is why an earthquake happens, maybe i'll be safer at the other times. but, you know, if there was a relationship between hurricanes and earthquakes, we would be seeing it in the caribbean. they have plenty of earthquakes and way more hurricanes than we do, and we've never seen any correlation. >> and when you say never, people have to believe that is, you know, actually a long time because you've been doing this a long time, decades. in fact, we have video of you, right, linda? look at this. look at this. we dug this up from 31 years ago. i think look at that. >> oh, yes. well, that baby has yeah, that baby has babies of his own now. oh, okay. >> so now your grandma. but that was your kiddo. and at that

time, i think it was 1992, right after the joshua tree quake. and all this time. right. people still ask earthquake weather. is that a thing? i'm sure you've been, you know. acosta with that question for all this time. >> absolutely. and you know, the thing is, is because we want that pattern, what we see is that every culture in the world that has earthquakes has a tradition of earthquake. whether you can find old latin documents from from rome that talk about earthquake weather, but they made them winds. people my mom grew up here in southern california and would talk about that really still dank feeling you sometimes get in the spring as earthquake weather because that's what they had for the north for the long beach earthquake. you know what i associate with earthquake, whether hot loma. >> yes. because 1989 i was here in the bay area, loma prieta, and it was hot. it was like 80 degrees, which was super strange . right. for was it october? i think. and it was so still no

wind. >> well, and you see in southern california in 87, we had it was like 100 degrees for the whittier narrows earthquake with santa anas. so if you go in southern california, they want to put it in high winds in northern california, it makes it with no winds. what it is, is that we want a pattern because if earthquakes really are associated that way, then you can feel safer at the other times. right. and this is because this is the psychological need to create a pattern that makes us safer. >> i get that right. it's like, yep, it happens during this time of the year. okay, so by the way, there is also no association with weather season right? like it doesn't tend to happen more in summers versus winters or anything like that. like it's all spread. yeah. no, when you look at the data, it's all spread out. >> the thing is, think about it, we actually have a lot of earthquakes. so just by coincidence, we're going to see earthquakes when it's raining, when it's not raining, when we have santa ana's. et cetera. and so if you want the pattern, you can find it. i mean, another very popular myth is that the earthquakes all happen in the early morning because think

partly we had several big earthquakes like here in southern california, san fernando and northridge and the landers earthquake, which is why i had the baby with me. it was 5:00 in the morning on a sunday morning. but the. but also think about it. if earthquakes happen in the early morning, that's when you're at home, you know where your family is. you know your kids are safe. the idea of the earthquake, you know, right now, when you who knows where your kids are on their way home from school and you're spouses maybe sitting on a freeway somewhere, that's a lot scarier . so we so we remembered the earthquakes that fit the pattern and forget the ones like loma prieta that don't. >> oh, yeah, no, there's no forgetting that one for me. you know, i remember i crossed the bay bridge just a half hour ago . it was pretty darn scary. that was a. 5:04 p.m. see you. don't forget that. right? right okay. so i want to ask you about this one, the 5.1 in ojai. that's pretty sizable, right? i mean, we don't get that size that

often. i don't know. >> yeah. now souern california , our last magnitude five was a couple of years ago, actually. i think the most recen california one was up in butte or plumas county nr ke almanor, which was earlier this year. so it's somethinghat happens in californ 2 or 3 times a year, somewhere in california. right. but as i said, for southern california, it's been two years since the last five. so it's enough to really notice. we, of course, got the shakealert through it and, you know, the people really nearby didn't get any, you know, got the alert after the after the waves. but those of us farther away got the several seconds of warning. and but it also because it's common enough in california you don't see california buildings being damaged at a five. and it might you might if it was in virginia or something place where they don't have the building codes. >> yeah, i remember napa that was a five. right. but we had damage there downtown. was that a fire? >> most of the most of the napa

damage was in a six. there are a couple of napa earthquakes. one was a 6.0. there was a five something on a labor day weekend that did some mild damage. but also napa before those earthquakes hadn't. well, because before the first one didn't have a mandatory retrofit of the known bad buildings. so unreinforced masonry buildings do very badly and it's taken quite a while to get most communities in california to ban those buildings. most most, most communities have at this point. and in fact, when the second napa earthquake happened, the bigger one, there were only three of those buildings that had not yet been retrofitted. and all of them were badly damaged and had to be torn down. right. >> so it sounds we have made a lot of progress. how do you think our readiness is now in terms of our infrastructure in terms of our mitigation? >> how strong is our systems? we're we're doing quite well. i always say we're much better

than we were and not as far as we need to be, which is always the case. we're seeing retrofits of those unreinforced masonry are widespread. we're starting to see quite a few places that are retrofitting the soft first story buildings. san francisco was the first community to do that. los angeles the second. and now it's happening in several dozen cities around california. we still have some really problems, buildings that have not been addressed, especially what's called non ductile reinforced concrete and then i'd also say our infrastructure is it's very sporadic. you know, especially with utilities that make some communities have a municipal utility, others have pga or southern california edison or the various other companies that are out there. and therefore, the strengthening of those systems, which is perhaps the most important thing for a disaster, is not uniform across

the state. >> yeah, it's not. and we'll see if more action will be taken to make it a little more uniform. >> but how about your work, the predictive science? i mean, i know the warning signs is getting much better, right? depending on your distance, you could get that few seconds, you know, to get cover. but what about predictions? >> we went to the warnings because prediction does seem to be theoretically impossible. i mean, you know, people say, won't i solve the problem for us? well, i could really help us if there's a pattern to be found . right. what i can do is also then prove that it really is random. and so far, everything looks like it's just random. >> oh, that is not the answer we wanted. i wanted to. >> we look at the state of random, right? you've got to be scared all the time. we don't want that to be the answer. and so we've put in a lot of work. but so far in terms of timing of any one individual earthquake, no, it does appear to be. >> well, then that leads us to

our last question. given that is the case, how can we all be prepared for the next random one to strike? what can we do to reduce our family's risk of harm? >> i, i would actually focus more on prevention than response . so if you own your own house, have you had it inspected? unless it's built to the most modern building code, there's probably something you can do to make it stronger. have you asked your landlord what they've done? you know, that's all their tenants are asking for that it'll help push them along the other thing, that's one of the biggest opportunities is what we call nonstructural mitigation, you know, did you look down the bookshelves in your room so they won't fall on your bed or on your child's bed? those sort of things are very easy to do. what happens within your house is not regulated by the government, so it really is up to you. and then the last one really well, two preparedness messages. first, however much water you're storing, you should probably store some more because water is going to be our biggest problem

. and then the second one, have you ever talked with your neighbor about it? the people who are going to help us after the event are going to be the ones that are nearby. and if we have a community that's working together, we're all going to be a lot better off. >> dr. lucy jones guiding us through child and grandchild now . thank you so much. it was great talking to you. >> thanks. >> okay. all right. coming up next, kaiser permanente is taking action against the opioid crisis. we'll talk with a kaiser doctor about the new availability of narcan in their ers. that's coming up next. >> summer may be ending, but things are heating up at living spaces where we're celebrating incredible deals during our labor day event shop, over 200 living rooms with sofas starting at 350 over 100 bedrooms with queen beds, starting at 150 and over 100 dining rooms with dining sets starting at 250 plus pay no interest for 24 months on select purchases with your good credit and get free shipping as soon as next day. save big

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narcan in its emergency department for free to anyone who wants it. joining us live now to talk about this doctor, beth mulcahy or mulcahy. help me get that one right. >> you got it right. oh yes. >> okay. and our doctor at kaiser in san francisco. doctor mulcahy, thanks for your time. look why is the need so dire right now for overdose reversal tools to be readily available? >> yes. you know, an overdose opioid overdose can be easily reversed with narcan, nasal spray. and as we all know, it's been a tremendous problem in the country. and in san francisco so far. this year. at the end of july, we had 473 opioid overdose deaths. so we'd like to get this into the hands of citizens, those folks with opioid use disorder, their loved ones, and anyone who wants to carry this in their car, put it in their backpack and be able to save a life. >> yeah. >> and i'm sure you see it in your emergency room there. and i

wonder in terms of this effort, will all your ers have the narcan available and can anyone just come in and ask for however many they want? they don't need to be a kaiser member. tell us about the eligibility and the logistic mix. >> right. well, we're not set up to hand it out to anyone that walks up. if someone does come, we will give them a box. looks like this. you saw it on your video. there there's two little injectors in it and we can give a few boxes to anyone who's interested. you do not have to be a member at and you don't even have to be a patient with opioid use disorder. for example, if i'm treating a teacher, a librarian, i'll ask them if they want to have this on hand. >> and will you teach people how to use it? >> we do. it's very simple. if you've ever used a nasal spray, you can use narcan. so it's one squirt on each side. and i'll just show you again, this is

what it looks like. and one squirt on each side and usually the patient will wake up within 15 to 30s. >> i see. >> is i can't be coming as commonplace these days as epipen , for example, for allergic reactions. >> we would like it to be. so we've partnered with the department california department of health care services to obtain narcan supplies to hand out. and the goal is to get it get the streets flooded with narcan. so that you can save a bystander. you can have it at home. kids could carry it in their backpacks, would like to see it in high schools. i'd like to see it in colleges. and we are starting to see that it's only effective for a limited amount of time. >> right? like 30 minutes or so . >> this is true. so after you give it, please do call 911. the patient should come to the emergency department and we'll give more if needed once it wears off and try to connect the patient to services. i see.

>> where did you get this current supply from that you're giving out? how long do you think it will last? >> so we have about 400 boxes and again, we handed out free because we know that when we prescribe it to someone who is taking an opioid, that's prescribed, we like them to have it as well, especially if it's in combination with other medications. it could lead to an accidental overdose. we know that folks don't pick it up in the pharmacy. about 3% of those prescriptions go unfilled. so we offer it and many folks take us up on that. so we hand out probably a dozen boxes a week. >> look, given the situation today, do you think everyone should have narcan on hand? >> i would love to see that. i don't know if that's realistic, but i think anyone who's interested and willing to save a life in this way should have it on them. >> okay. >> well, thank you. >> so over the counter now, too, i might mention. >> right. that's a good

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great grandmother's guide with a centennial edition available now. lizzie post, thank you so much for coming on to talk about tipping etiquette. >> thank you so much for having me. kristen oh, this is such a hot topic. >> i feel like around the water cooler, right? is there actually tipping fatigue? you think? >> absolutely. between inflation really stretching our wallets and seeing more and more of the tipping screens everywhere instead of that quiet tip jar that doesn't really ask anything of you, but it's there in case you want it. that and just the fact that we were so tip happy during the pandemic because we really wanted our small businesses to survive and be able to support the people in our communities. i think we've we've gotten to a stage where we feel like we are being asked to tip everywhere. our finances are already stretched and it's becoming hard when it's especially in those unfamiliar places. most of us don't think about leaving a tip when we buy a sweater, right? >> exactly. but that ipad in

front of you, you know, everybody standing behind you looking to see if you're going to choose that 15% or no tip. >> and you just don't even know what to do. >> so given that right, you've got some good general tips for us general policies and also some great ones that we put into a graphic. so let's go ahead and show the first one. okay, liz, these advice, tipping tips talk to us about these categories and what you think about the tipping percentage. just should be anytime we're doing something like a barista or grabbing something like a sandwich to go. >> so food on the go where we're not eating there or maybe we're eating, but we're busing and cleaning our own table. it's a discretionary tip. these folks are paid very differently from the folks who service at a sit down meal at a restaurant. and it's really important to recognize that difference. so we would never want to go less than 15% for that restaurant server because they are often making the federal tip wage, which is like $2.60 an hour, whereas as

barista, you're making a minimum wage, which is debatable about what you know, there's a difference between minimum and livable, but it's a very different system that's set up in those two spaces, and that's one of the reasons why we had the difference that we had prepay pandemic. and now it's just there's a lot of spillover over into other other areas now. >> oh, i see. i know what you mean. in fact, you know, there are a lot of restaurants that are now saying we're just going to pay our employees better. certainly a lot of you know, diners are saying restaurants, why don't you just do that instead of relying? so heavily on tips. right >> right. and that can be a really sticky situation. some people are trying to use a service fee to cover it, but a lot of customers don't know where or how that service fee is applied. i think right now people are really in a state of confusion and vendors are in that state of confusion, too. you know, it's rising food costs. they still want to bring a lot of people in at the same time, they really want to pay their employees well. it's a

really tough situation all across the board. >> it totally is. oh, there it is. that dreaded ipad. okay, how about a ride? share with 25? >> i know. >> i'm thinking what right. share drivers. what do you think about them? >> ride shares. >> when they first started out, it was a really a really interesting thing, right? because you could set the fee for your own ride. so you didn't need a tip much like you didn't used to tip a stylist who owns the salon. right they're setting their own rate and so you don't have to tip. but the competition got so crowded that now it doesn't matter. they can't set that rate. they have to go for a competitive rate. and therefore, we've changed our advice on rideshares to now say that you really should be tipping them. 1,020% for that ride. >> got it. okay. a few more situations. valet what do you think? >> valets usually that's like 5 to 20. i mean, maybe if you have a ridiculously nice car and you have a lot of money, you can you

know, you can always tip more that is one thing we never hold back on. you could always tip more. you're talking about 5 to 10, right? right. 5 to 20 is pretty, pretty standard for valet. and i'd say five is most common. 20 is when we're starting to get to fancy events. fancy, fancy living. >> got movers 20 to 50 each. >> so let's say you got three guys that would be you want to tip each of them separately, right? >> right. so with movers, there's usually the head mover and that person is going to make about 30 to 60 per move. and you know, up to you where you fall in that range budget wise for a small move, i would do 10 to 20 bucks for the rest of the people helping out. and then for a larger move or maybe a really complex move, i'd be thinking of that 20 to $50 range. sure >> okay. grocery delivery, 10% of the bill. yeah. that's a new thing to. here's a tricky question. is it okay to not leave a tip for bad service? >> so it depends on where we're doing it. >> in a restaurant, i would say

never. it's never okay that that's a place where we really want to hit that 15% minimum. and if we have a problem, let's use our word as to speak for us, not our money to speak for us having been a server and been on a number of those teams, i can tell you it is really rare that the message comes across the way you want it to. usually the server just thinks you're a jerk or they can't figure out why, you know, it was low or they know why it was low and they're just like, i expected it. i spilled the drinks all over everybody, you know? but truthfully, you really don't ever want to tip less than 15% at a restaurant again, those folks are making like 260 an hour. >> okay. and when can you actually legitimately skip tips? so in those discretionary situations, so the barista moment, the sandwich that you're picking up at a grab and go when you're retail outlet, you know, has a tipping option, you walk into bestbuy don't know that any of the big box stores have tipping options on them, but i feel they don't. lizzy they will

soon show everyone there and so the places where you traditionally had a choice about it or it was something where you might throw a little cash into a chip jar, think of it that way. >> even if there's a screen present. also have confidence the person behind you is likely not watching whether or not you are hitting no tip or they weren't watching for whether or not you put money in a tip jar. right. that's a lot of our social anxiety there. >> yes, we do away with it and feel confident about our budgets and our, you know, lizzy post still confusing, but you made so much more clarity out of all that. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. >> well, it's my pleasure. >> thanks. >> all right.

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