with the new norms. but first, looming large, the federal government could shut down in a

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health care reform. you have a housing crisis. you get housing reform. it takes a lot of heat to get things to boil, especially in washington. and you know, these shutdowns aren't new. they're annoying, but they're not catastrophic. we've had 14 of them. i mean, and my question to anybody out there would be, well, can you remember the last one? >> no. i mean, i remember reporting on them. right. >> you remember like donald trump and bill clinton. yes. those were the ones that went on for weeks and weeks and weeks. but it's one of those things that says, okay, in a year from now, what are we what does this mean and what does it doesn't mean what it means is that we've just got this dysfunctioning group in washington that either can't get along with each other or can't even get along with themselves now themselves in the republican party at this point,

right. >> that's for sure. but what you said about we only get things done now when there's a crisis and then you have to get over the crisis. that's really interesting on a federal level, very true state level, i guess, because you have such a dominance of the democratic party, that's not the case, right? >> no, no. >> in the state legislature, we're still working our way through the insurance crisis about getting your house insured. >> you've got to have everybody at the point of breaking before they'll bend. you know, we talk about how you a lot of things go through a process. yes. and hearings. and we have discussions, but a lot of things, especially when it comes to money or something like that, it comes down to the deadline. it just comes down to the wire. like it or not, that's how we operate these days, in part because everybody wants to have the cover says, well, i had to do this, otherwise we would have had this. i didn't really get everything we wanted, but we got some of what we wanted and we avoided the you fill in the blank shut down spending package deferred, you name it. >> okay, well, let's just say, you know, crisis right now. let's see if they work it out. they have four days, if not on

day five, then no more money. piggy bank shuts down. tell us what could happen then. >> okay. well, first of all, the piggy bank doesn't completely shut shut down because about 75% of government spending is mandatory. it's in there no matter what. it's the 25% discretion where everybody, you know, border security, this, that and the other thing where everybody that doesn't sound very discretionary to a lot of people in terms of those functions. i agree. i agree. but compared to social security and medicare, that is those are big things. okay. >> yeah, but air traffic control, tsa. yes hello. >> i got that. absolutely absolutely. you may be working without pay. they might be. they get reimbursed after ward. okay. >> so if you're essential. right >> and just about every government worker will get the money back, the contracted workers may not, but government people do not. >> essential you don't actually work right? >> that's it. you get furloughed. okay. so so what does that mean for us? because let's let's i know we have the whole world to think about in the country's future and the

good of us all. but it really comes down to you, me, you know, there are people watching going, can i go to yosemite? >> right. >> all right. all right. might go to the symphony for next. it depends on how long the shutdown is. you can go to yosemite. but if you have to go to the bathroom in yosemite, i'm not sure the toilets are going to be open because somebody's got to clean them. okay and is that an essential service? right really locally, the blue angels, will they fly in fleet week? will the fleet week be there? >> all right? yeah. >> that brings $10 million to san francisco. everybody was looking forward to it as a statement of coming back. >> i got military personnel. keep working. yes, but the question about whether they can do the fleet week, if that's going to happen. >> okay. so there's other parts of fleet week that play into that and they're still up, pardon the pun, up in the air on that right now at city hall. but, you know, so we have these degrees. us getting passports could be harder. it's already a backlog of 6 to 9 months to get your passport renewed. this will back it up more. so what we'll have is the line at the hall to get up to that bureaucratic teller window is going to get

longer and longer as this shutdown continues. >> what about head start? i read something about the white house estimating 10,000 kids could lose their could. >> that's the big word there. it's could. now, you have to understand that in this brinksmanship game, everybody has to bring in the worst case scenario. the world will end unless okay. and every day you're going to hear somebody else say this could happen. that could happen. will it happen? that's a different story. but again, that is the way you get the leverage going and the publicity going to now. we'll tell you one thing, though, that what and we have a host of problems in this country that we're dealing with. we're trying to deal with, whether it be the border, whether it be fentanyl, whether it be homelessness, whether it be kids falling behind in school. but, you know, this shows the american public what you get here is that things just aren't working. and by the way, one group that's going to get paid out is the congress or their staffs. no not so. but the congress people. right. >> so, you know, some people say

a lot of public resentment right now in california, we have a thing on the budget. >> if they don't pass a budget balanced by the deadline, they don't get paid. so they all that we used to have that drag out in california forever. so possibly the solution or one of the things that should change is everybody else get paid except congress. okay >> yeah. somehow i don't think that's going to change. no, but can i just ask you, though, who gets blamed? right. because obviously people recognize it's a congressional issue, but do they only get mad at congress or do they also get mad at the white house? they get mad with everybody. >> and that's that's one of the fallacies is that, you know, of the sunday morning talk shows, they think that if they're pointing fingers at each other, somehow they're they're they're putting the blame on someone else. when the public is just seeing two people that can't get it together. right. so it's the white house and the congressional and it's and now it's subgroups of that and that and it also shows that kevin mccarthy and the speakership these days is so tenuous. right. right. and on the senate side, it's all week. so you're looking

at what just if there was a flashing red light, it would say week, week, week, hopefully not. week three and week four of a government shutdown, right? >> right. hopefully not, because , you know, i got to ask you, that's got to be bad for the economy, right? >> it is in the uncertainty is bad. and anything looming for that long is bad. yes. right now , things like interest rates will actually dictate a lot. but, yes, the certainty in the american government affects bond ratings and things like that. yes, this is not light stuff. this isn't comedy. it shouldn't be happening. it just shouldn't be happening. but we've become accustomed to it happening. >> well, certainly from, you know, president biden, the reelection standpoint, he has every motivation to keep everybody working. right. i mean, that's why he was in, you know, with the auto workers today, with the striking forces, which is really pretty unusual. yeah. and then, of course, if people don't work here, the federal workers, he's not going to win favors there. right. >> but i would say that this if people weren't getting their social security checks, then you've got a real group, federal

workers, auto workers this that people tend to politically look at what's going on around them. you know, what's the price of gas, what's the price at the grocery? >> it's not good either. >> yes. and that's the point. a government shutdown on top of that is not only is are things not working for me, but i don't see anybody in washington trying to make it work at all. >> okay. phil, so much to talk about. you're going to be on our later shows today as well. >> i am to chat about. we are going to be talking about the closing of target london breed and her upcoming battle to try to stay in office and a thing on her call now for people who are going to get general assistance in san francisco welfare yeah if they're found to be using drugs, they either get into a program or they lose their money. >> right. okay. so a lot to talk about. stick around here. thanks, phil, really appreciate it. all right. drugs initially intended to treat diabetes are now considered by many to be the perfect prescription for weight loss. up next, our media

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help regulate glucose levels are now the miracle drug for fighting obesity. but our media partner, the san francisco standard, has a new article out asking why so many people in san francisco want ozempic, even though few are actually obese. joining us live now is liz lindquist. her data journalist for the san francisco standard. liz, thanks for joining us. >> thanks so much for having me. >> remind the people who are unfamiliar what the ozempic does and how it kind of became the

darling of those seeking to shed weight. >> yeah. so ozempic is part of this class of medicines called semaglutide. you basically inject it into about once a week and it's developed as originally as a type two diabetes medication and there's a whole other slew of diabetes medications in this class. but ozempic is one that came out in around 2017, 2018. and it's really popular because it's easier to use. you only have to inject it once a week and it has really effective results for regulating your glucose levels as a diabetic and also for helping you lose weight. okay >> so it's become quite in demand aid and you started exploring the contradiction of san francisco. so not having a huge obesity problem yet. apparently a huge demand nonetheless. yeah >> yeah. i mean, i think what we're seeing in san francisco is something that's happening across the country and in the world. ozempic and this kind of class of weight loss drugs like wegovy and manjaro are just so popular right now because a lot of actresses and famous people like elon musk are citing these

drugs as helping them lose a lot of weight really quickly, like 30 pounds, 40 pounds in the span of 2 or 3 months. and so it's kind of touted as this miracle drug that san francisco in particular is latching on to now just like every other city. but it's curious because san francisco is kind of known for having a healthier population, a population that suffers less from complications relating to diabetes and obesity. >> yeah, but there are a lot of people in tech on social media looking at some of those influencers you just mentioned saying if it works for them. right. and i think isn't there also kind of a overachieving culture here in which you want perfection on all things? >> i mean, there's definitely a wellness culture that pervades in technology these days, you know, people that are interested in testing their testosterone levels or optimizing their health. that's certainly in the rhetoric of health and tech in san francisco and living forever . >> but that's a whole nother conversation. so i guess the result is, is there a shortage here now? >> there is a shortage across the country. so the fda announced that ozempic was one

of the drugs on their shortage list. so what that means is, is that the manufacturer, novo nordisk, which is based in denmark, they just can't make the drug fast enough to meet the demand. and so when the shortage happens, it just means that people go into the pharmacies with their ozempic prescriptions or wegovy. they're having to go to a different pharmacy or try to find something online and it opens the door for other kinds of imitation medications called compounded versions for those to become increasingly popular because they're cheaper than the brand name drug ozempic. >> so how do you get those? >> is it also through pharmacies and do they work just as well, or are they safe? >> so it's not regulated by the fda and the fda actually put out a warning label about some of these kind of copycat or mimic compounded versions of the drugs. but there are a handful of physicians, especially plastic surgeons and folks who work in wellness spa that are prescribing compounded ozempic. it's like another version of semaglutide in order to give their patients like a $500 version as opposed to a $1,300

version of the brand name. and because these compounded versions don't actually come from the same pharmacies or the same company that creates the brand name, it's made in certain compounding pharmacies, which can tailor drugs to a patient's specific need, or in this case, to make it so that these imitation drugs don't infringe on the patent that the main company, nordisk, maintains. >> i see. so you can go to the plastic surgeon for that. how about the telehealth companies? i know we have some san francisco based ones. >> yes. so there's a lot of telehealth companies based in california in general. and they're offering also both brand name and compounded semaglutide. and i think a lot of patients, especially those that are using ozempic or this off brand ozempic version for off label use, which is to say for fighting obesity or fighting weight loss. those options are more appealing because insurance doesn't normally cover obesity related drugs and they're not going to cover ozempic or compounded semaglutide for someone who's just looking to

use it for cosmetic purposes. >> okay, that makes sense. okay. so obesity aside, right? let's talk about the fact that ozempic was originally for diabetics. and i wonder if this demand has impacted folks who are actually dealing with diabetes. >> yeah, i mean, that's been the big conversation is that you know, of course, there's workarounds that people are doing with these compounded versions of the drugs, but when there's such demand in such name, brand popularity for something like ozempic, the people that it impacts the most are usually those that struggle to have access to health care or to insurance. and i was speaking with some health care providers at saint anthony's foundation, which is a clinic in the tenderloin in san francisco that helps low income patients and once the shortage happened, they a lot of their patients lost access to the drugs because as san francisco kind of safety net insurance provider was no longer able to cover the drugs for saint anthony's patients. and so what this means is that the shortage is just impact eating folks that can't get access to these drugs and then may have to revert to an older form of these drugs. that's like harder to

use. maybe more expensive or just not something they're used to. >> so what do you hope folks get out of reading this article? and i'm also curious why you pursued this during the first place. >> yeah, i think we were just really interested in understanding why there was such interest in ozempic in the first place. we started hearing from pharmacists that we were talking to that, you know, they were robbed of their entire stock of ozempic or that people were calling them every day asking for these drugs. so we knew there was a lot of demand for it in the first place. and, you know, in a city like san francisco that really prides itself on both health and wellness, like we were saying, it felt like kind of the perfect place to explore both the cosmetic and esthetic side of things, but also how it affects san francisco's lower income community, which oftentimes is at odds with, you know, the wealthier people that can afford on brand drugs like ozempic. >> well, you've given us something to think about. and liz, i guess this will be our last interview at least with you being data journalist for the standard. today is your last day . >> yes, it is. i'm very sad but excited for new opportunity

entities. >> do you want is it okay for you to share where you're headed or what where your next opportunities? >> yeah, i'll be doing science writing at california academy of sciences, so i'll be in san francisco. oh, okay. >> i mean, i love it. maybe you can write something on methusula and come back and talk about that. exactly >> exactly. >> or maybe the white alligator. i think. >> yep. yep. it's coming up, so. >> all right. well, no doubt we'll talk again. >> liz lindquist, it's been great talking to you, featuring your stories. best of luck to you. >> thank you so much. kristin >> and you can check out liz's final article for the standard and other original reporting on the standards website. that's sf standard.com and abc7 will continue to bring you more segments featuring the standard city focused journalism. look for that twice a week right here on getting answers at £0.03 pm. okay. you know the spoken or unspoken rules when it comes to calling and texting these days for those of us who used to have answering machines, times have changed ahead and etiquette

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rules and new questions. how quickly to respond to attacks or when to call instead of text. we have an expert here with some guidance. but first, a question for you. generally speaking, would you prefer a call or a text? take part in our survey to see their on your screen by going to abc7 news.com/vote. we'll have the results up and you can keep looking and voting and all that. all right. so oh so far you guys prefer text. but joining us live now is etiquette expert nick layton to explain the customary code of polite behavior when it comes to cell phone communication. hey, nick. >> hello. thanks for having me. it's always fun. isn't this a fraught topic? isn't this a topic i can already see? >> most people are saying they prefer text and yes, why we reached out to you is because we saw that article mentioning the

question and the fact that a lot of people seem to say these days , you got to text first. like, don't even pick up the phone. don't call me. i'm thinking what really is that the new norm? it is the new norm. >> yeah, but but i'm going to break it down. so we have this instinct to, like, reinvent the wheel. you know, new technology . you have to come up with something new. oh but we don't have to do that because we can just rely on the classic manners that is about being mindful of other people. that's all we need to do. >> graphics. so hit it. okay. and then you walk us through it. >> okay. so we just want to exit. we just want to acknowledge that other people exist and we want to be mindful of their time. and so we just want to communicate in a way that is respectful of their time and everybody actually has a different idea. most people do prefer texts, but there are plenty of people who actually find it more efficient for a phone call. and there's lots of situations where actually a phone call is probably better than a text. so you just have to kind of know like, oh, what do i

want to communicate and what's the best way? but it is true. most people do think that text is pretty much that's the way to go these days. >> interesting. i guess i see that because it's like, okay, if i'm not able to answer right now, i don't have to because i just don't respond to the text. or maybe i text later, right? but phone is kind of like demanding your attention now, now, now. me, me, me. answer to me. so i understand there is an urgency with phone calls and i personally think a lot of people feel this way. >> i want to choose how i communicate and when, and i want to do that when it's convenient for me and email lets me do that. text lets me do that. a phone call, though, that's real time. okay? okay. and i think that's why then what about i'm going to one up that how about like facetime and video calls? >> is that even more demanding? when do you do that? >> yes, i think only when invited. and i don't think we ever want to surprise someone with a facetime. you know, who who among us is always camera ready? and whenever i see a facetime come through, i just assume it's a mistake, like if

it has not been prearranged. so i think we just want to pre-arrange those. okay but okay, let's just say we accept that text are becoming more common, right? >> even at work. i see that right? between colleagues and even bosses and supervisors. so help us navigate that. right. because obviously normally in texting, you don't even use punctuation. is that okay now? >> i mean, know your audience and know whether or not you're going to be conveying what you want to convey. if it feels like you need to add an emoji, then then maybe you need extra write a full sentence. so, you know, we don't want to leave things to misinterpretation. so text really does lend to problems. okay. and a lot of etiquette crimes happen with that miscommunication. >> so you're not saying no, you know, no texting in a work setting? it could be okay, right ? right. okay. but but what about shorthand? right? lol, laugh out loud or idk. i don't know imho in my humble opinion. are those can you do that in professional messaging? >> i mean, i think you want to convey the level of professionalism that you want to convey. i personally would find

those things a little casual if that's the vibe of your office. have at it. i think you just want to know that communication is sending a message, just the words you're sending, but also how you say it and you just want to make sure you are sending the message you want to send. so if you want to be like, i'm a casual person, this is a pretty casual text. then include an animated gif of live island. that's great. okay. >> okay. one other thing i've noticed recently is that, you know, i might get a call because the phone will say missed call, but no voice message is voice messaging dead? well i think if you get a missed call, you are under no obligation to return that call. >> even if it's from somebody you know, they don't leave a message. i assume we i have no obligation. i think a lot of people just don't like leaving voicemail because it does feel sort of inconvenient that now you inconvenience you. you have to listen to this voicemail transcript. so, yeah, it may be dead. this may be a fax machine, a pager. >> i always tell my mom that it's like i can't listen to the two minute message, but is there

something generational about our preferences? i mean, i definitely still see 82% for text, and i know many of our viewers are not teenagers. so i guess, i don't know, is it generation or. no longer there is something to be said for different generations. >> do approach technology and communication differently. and, you know, if you grew up with a landline, that's sort of your default setting for the rules like, oh, let's not call during dinnertime. you know, that was an old landline rule. now when is dinnertime? so i think younger people who have grown up with technology and just want to communicate more text and kind of set the terms of engagement, they do have a different approach. and so i think we want to just be sensitive to that. >> we have like 10s literally. but just tell us, do we have to be accessible? 24 seven no, no. okay. that's good to hear. we got boundaries. nick layton, thank you so much. really appreciate it. and of course, once again, most of you prefer texting. and you can catch our live stream 24 over seven. our bay area news app. we'll do that for

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