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microdosing on magic mushrooms. >> microdosing is mommy is present and aware and showing up maybe for the first time ever. >> are they safe? >> we know very little about microdosing. you're kind of experimenting on yourself, but mushrooms could become big business. >> yes. >> what do you think this looks like in five years? >> i think it's a revolution. >> thanks for joining us. i'm phil lipof psychedelic mushrooms once seen as counterculture are now approaching the mainstream. the focus on something called microdosing is gaining popularity among some suburban mothers. but what is the science say? here's abc's eva pilgrim. good morning.

>> i think that i am on many levels just like a normal mom. grocery shopping and cooking dinner and lacrosse practice and ballet practice and doctors appointments and all the things for tracy. >> motherhood comes first, but that doesn't mean it isn't without stress. >> and i think your body just goes into like, survival mode or go mode. but at some point i think it catches up with us and it caught up with me big time in her 40s, tracy began a journey that led her to an unexpected place. so what are these? these these are dried magic mushrooms. >> that's a magic mushroom up to four days a week, tracy ingests a micro dose of mushrooms that have the psychedelic psilocybin in them. also known as magic mushrooms. she puts them in her morning cup of cacao. how do you microdose? >> i take my capsule? it's 100mg

and then i just open it up and put it in the mixture. i often describe microdosing as something that calms the frayed edges around us, and as mothers, we have very, very frayed edges. >> in colorado, where tracy lives, using psilocybin has been decriminalized and in 2024 will be legalized in a clinical setting. the state, along with oregon, are the only two to legalize the use of the drug. multiple cities and four other states have decriminalized it at the local level. >> that harvest right there could be 12 people, so that could be a two week supply tonight we go inside the shroom boom. >> psychedelics once condemned as part of counterculture. this drug, which has such a potent effect upon man's mind. >> it's a very dangerous drug. >> turn on tune in, drop out are popping up in suburbia from the growing numbers of moms taking small doses of magic mushrooms. >> this can refresh. >> it's like a reset to celebs

like kristen bell getting candid on jimmy kimmel. >> i wanted to try mushrooms for my 40th birthday to the increasing study of them as potential treatments. and we're not sure that they work yet, really. >> but studies are showing really promising effects. >> businesses are taking note too. >> i mean, they're calling this the shroom boom. right? but for all the attention on microdosing , the research is sparse. >> we know very little about microdosing. you should know that you're kind of experimenting on yourself. you know, there isn't a lot of high quality data about the safety and efficacy of that practice. dr. josh woolley of the university of california, san francisco, has been studying the impact of large macro doses of psilocybin. >> the fda granted the psychedelic psilocybin breakthrough therapy status in 2018 to be studied for its potential in helping treat depression. technically, it is still illegal in 48 states, and at the federal level is a banned

substance classified as a schedule one drug. what are you optimistic that psychedelic drugs can be useful in psychedelics could be helpful. >> you know, people who are depressed or eating disorders, addictions. and we're just at the very beginning of trying to examine who and how these drugs might be helpful to people. >> for some, using psychedelics may trigger a severe psychiatric episode. they may also raise heart rate and blood pressure and have not been studied in pregnant or breastfeeding women experts say you should talk to your doctor before using them. for tracy. she says the effects of microdosing are subtle. is there a high that comes with microdosing? >> no. microdose ing is sub perceptual is it? is the idea that you take a small enough dose that when taken consistently over time brings on the same effects that one achieves when taking a large dose journey, but without the large dose journey for

generations, as we've seen, moms find ways to de-stress from valium being glorified in the rolling stones song mother's little helper. >> i need something today to calm me down. >> and though she's not really ill, there's a little yellow pill. >> tomomi wind down time becoming part of pop culture. tracy believes microdosing is more than just mommy's little helper. that is not what microdosing is. >> microdosing is mommy is prep present and aware and showing up maybe for the first time ever. how does one manage sort of their emotional state when they are under stress? >> is microdosing helpful there? it's unclear. >> dr. neil epperson studies women's mental health at the university of colorado. she says women are likely to experience depression and anxiety disorders more frequently than men, but

cautions that the stress of parenthood isn't the same as clinical depression. >> stress is normal. it is when we beat ourselves up, we don't give ourselves grace and we start to look at stress as being dangerous and bad and hurting us, epperson says. >> moms who microdose are increasingly finding support in one another, it is kind of also inadvertently creating a village for a lot of women that are finding their group online and really benefiting from that sense of doing something together. for everybody comes with a unique history and a unique personality. >> and the mushrooms work differently with everybody. >> in medford, oregon, kate ingram is becoming part of a community she never expected. have you ever done recreational drugs before or. >> no, i drink some wine. that's. that's as wild as i get

ever. >> were people surprised to hear that you were curious about this ? very, very surprised. >> so this is what my microdose looks like. >> kate is a grief counselor, author and mother of two who turned to psilocybin out of curiosity and the potential it might have for her clients down the road. >> it feels like a really nice exhale, like, oh, i think so many americans are looking for some sort of magic pill to make them feel better. do you think psilocybin is that magic pill >> no, i don't think anything's a magic pill. i think it could be incredibly helpful. it's a tool. but the work still has to be done by the person. >> this is a very secure place. >> ten minutes down the road from kate, andreas and jennifer met have opened satya therapeutics, the first licensed

psilocybin treatment center in southern oregon. >> take a look. >> the two are also licensed manufacturers of magic mushrooms . >> and this is our second harvest of this tote in january of this year, oregon became the first state in the us to legalize the growth sale and use of psilocybin in monitored settings. every product is tracked from the moment of its inception to actual the end client. see how it's spread open more and see how it's starting to bruise blue. >> that's the oxidation. >> that's the oxidation of the psilocybin. >> a single session at satya therapeutics costs about $1,000, not including travel expenses. >> 85% of the people we've seen have come from out of state. >> we have people that have depression, anxiety, some medicine resistant ptsd. >> what do you think this looks like in five years? >> i think it's a revolution in and i see the future as what could be the benefits of the

mushroom in helping what i see as a broken system. >> and i see this as hopeful for back in colorado. >> so this is our chocolate machine. this is where all of the chocolate magic happens. >> and business is booming. for one company that is tapping into the newfound popularity of mushrooms. >> so this right here that we're mixing in is our proprietary blend. >> it's a time where people are starting to be more open and curious. when people hear the word mushrooms, they tend to think that they're psychedelic. and that's not always the case. >> lindsay goodstein and charlotte cruz founded alice mushroom as a brand combining so-called functional mushrooms with chocolate, and they do not have the compound psilocybin that makes psychedelic mushrooms able to create a psychedelic experience. functional mushrooms do not have psychedelic properties and health experts

warn they are not a proven treatment for any illness or disease. these people who microdose magic mushrooms sometimes take functional mushrooms in conjunction with them. charlotte and lindsay are hoping to one day expand into psychedelics as more people get really fascinated by mushrooms. >> it is going to drive more research around mushrooms and that's going to drive more innovation in this space. new product development. so the shroom boom, it's very cultural right now, but its implications are going to be far reaching f tracy. >> she's started an online business. >> i would love to just drop in and see how everyone is feeling. >> aptly named moms on mushrooms, a digital platform aimed at connecting and advising young microdosing moms. >> do you think you're a better mom on mushrooms? >> i think i'm a more empathetic mom and i actually started listening and looking at my kid from the heart.

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can see the creativity through the years. we've loved your work in films like "juice". >> don't you ever pull a gun on me again in your life. >> i hope i won't have to. >> we all go down if you do, because we're all crew. >> "love & basketball." >> you're out of your mind. >> to hit shows like raising can canaan. after all this time and writing three books now, what inspires you to keep up the creativity? >> life, life, man. i'm inspired by my kids. i'm inspired by my wife. i'm inspired by food, music, and, you know, i'm just trying to as steve jobs would say, make my ding in the universe. >> you're also a wordsmith, and you've written three books. the latest is "nubia: the reckoning khloe kardashian. the firs the first is set in a dystopian future. you set this up talking about new york setting. and you talk about things like

climate change, which is really the foundation of where this is. and then classism and immigration. why did you choose to do it in that way? >> great question. for me, i'm born and raised in new york. so i'm imagining a world where, you know, what does the world look like 100 years from now? and that's where i decided to place the book. and i started to look at certain human experiences that seem to transcend time. you know, classism, sexism, race. racism. seem to be repeated throughout time. certainly in 100 years there will be a version of that. >> makes sense. >> and tried to explore how that could look for a younger generation for the sole purpose of showing the young reader, hey, we tried it this way for a pretty long time, and we've gotten the same results. maybe when you are reading this book, you might be inspired to try it a different way. >> this is your third book. you wrote a memoir.

>> yes. >> called "from fatherless to fatherhood". >> yeah. >> what has being a father done for you as an actor, for you as a writer? how has it changed how you see life and do your craft? >> i think one of the main thing for me for fatherhood is that it's really broadened my empathy and compassion for people, you know, outside of me. i think that we grow up, i grew up in a tough time, in a tough place. and you just sort of learn to surv survive. but having children, sending your kid to school is one of the scariest things in the world. and you start to look at how we treat one another, and that hopefully, what my wife and i are instilling in our kids is for them to lead with love and lead with kindness and respect. >> we know you from roles obviously in "house" and this i us. this is what you have done, what you chose to do. i wonder if you live in this realm a little more?

>> i live in both. at heart, i'm an artist, and art comes in many different forms and formats. and i'm open to all variations of them. and so i don't necessarily love one other the other. that's like -- >> choosing a child? >> choosing a child. >> which we wouldn't do. >> you know what i mean. you know, i just want to be a part of things that transcend time. when i say these things, these art forms that i hopefully can inspire a younger generation or the generations of now the way that i was inspired. >> what were you reading when you were a kid? and was it primarily sci-fi? >> no, it wasn't. i was reading all types of stuff. everything from james baldwin to judy blume. it was such escapism. >> right. >> it was such an innocence to that that it really struck me as a young kid, and i was able to travel in my imagine nation and get away from tough circumstances in those moments.

>> do you think this genre is diversified enough? and is that why you've chosen to do this? >> i mean, i chose to do it because it chose me. i think the genre is becoming diversified, as is the world. we've got a lot of catching up to do. but it's been one way for a long time. so i think we also have to have the patience to allow things to evolve in a way that is not passive or seems forced. or, attached to an agenda other than trying to deliver great art. >> we talk about 30 years ago and what we were reading 30 years from now, people are going to be naming this as something to put them into this futuristic world. >> hopefully. >> omar, thank you so much. >> hey, man. thank you for having me. >> nice to have the book, "nubia: the reckoning" is out wherever books are sold. coming up next, the trailer effect. the taylor swift-travis kelce connection that is amping up the nfl. - serving in vietnam,

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