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way beyond free speech and youth activism. you're watching getting answers. i'm kristen sze. the action seen on colleges from coast to coast are now taking a serious toll on students sense of safety. mental health and even future prospects . similar stories are playing out from cambridge to cal. at harvard, students are holding die ins. the university is limiting campus access to visitors and students have been doxed and had their job offers rescinded. at uc berkeley, students report people grabbing flags from one another and even scuffles breaking out. and you saw what happened at the cal usc game this weekend with the dying on the field right there. but sometimes some of these messages being traded are hurtful. speech joining us live now to talk about the impact of the israel-hamas war on us campuses, celine harradine, president of the student association and a student at uc davis. celine, thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> should let our viewers know that you are of part palestinian

descent. but of course, i'm asking you today to speak as president of the student association on behalf of all students, regardless of where they stand on this. how difficult is it right now on campus for students who have a stake in or have an opinion on the war? >> yeah. thank you so much for bringing me on today. and i really appreciate the time to talk about mental health on campus, especially now that it's become a more pressing issue and we see a lack of equitable access and we're beginning to see fractures within the infrastructure of whether students from different communities have access the same access to mental health resources. so as you guys have all seen on media, on campuses, maybe from peers within universities, we're seeing that the conflict is taking a huge toll on students. and because people back home are the people are the ones suffering and students are expected. it's midterm season right now to just return to class with a sense of

normality when, you know, they're hearing phone calls or some of them not hearing anything at all from what's going on with their families back home. >> so no doubt having to take finals or midterms at this point or turn in an assignment, it must be hard to focus, go to class, whether it's jewish students here who have loved ones that are missing, that they're worried about or are fighting, or kids who care about the plight of palestinians to in gaza. >> and i wonder for all of you students, what is it that you hope you will get in terms of support from the university? >> yeah. >> so something that the student association has asked from the university of california, from administrators is to ensure that students have access to culturally competent care. right. because when we talk about conflicts or when we talk about what's going on right now in the middle east, we're seeing that the university is struggling to find good mental health specialists for students who can understand where students are coming from when it comes to talking about about

what's been going on for the past years, as well as like what's going on not only in like palestine and israel, but, you know, there's the armenian genocide that's going on and we're not seeing that support from administrators for these different student groups. and if there is resource, we're not seeing it being pushed out urgently because right now is a huge time when we talk about, you know, like you mentioned, students who are being doxed, students who are worried about like what's going to happen to them after college students on campus who are being attacked for different what they're saying, what they believe in. and so it's really important that the university takes very quick strike and ensuring that all students on campus feel safe and that all students can attend class in a manner and have an understanding from the institution about like this is very personal for a lot of communities right now. and they don't even feel safe walking on campus at this point. >> i don't know if you've experienced sort of like friends turning against friends because of where they stand on this issue. i wonder if you feel like

this is stunning the way it's playing out. did you ever expect that? i mean, of course we expect protests on college campuses and student idealism and activism and all that. but the way it's playing out with the fear factor, taking over and the divisiveness. are you surprised and i think when it comes to, you know, issues like palestine and israel, this is very personal and people have shown this prior to october 7th. >> this is not something new. you can go back ten years. you can go back 20 years into history and you can see that it has always been a personal stake hold in terms of what people value and their identities as well. right because when, for example, media portrays or you go on twitter, you go on instagram, you're going to see things that are harmful to you. and you might see someone that you consider a friend, a classmate or a peer posting something online that is extremely harmful. maybe a fact that you consider a fact is not a fact to them. right? so you do see that sense of divide between peers and students and classmates. and it's really

important that as i mentioned, that the u.s. kind of steps in now and addresses it by providing students with like mental health access. so we don't see it boil over as we do right now. >> what about bridging conversations, as you said right . people are coming from different places. and when you're shouting at each other, you're not really having conversations. evans does that need a little bridging support? >> i mean, this is a conflict that's been going on for 75 years. i'm not too sure of what institutions or provisions that the u.s. can offer that will help students in this moment. i don't know if students are in a place right now where they can have these sort of conversations was, i think what students need right now and i'm going to emphasize this, is making sure that they have access to mental health resources, access, maybe to support groups and faculty where they can go and take a moment to like really take in what has been going on and the harm that is being done to them and their communities. i know that a big factor that has been going on, i've heard this last year, the year before, how can

we bring two groups of people together to talk about these things? but i don't see right now where the university can do that, when it should be more urgent for them to provide a space for students to go ahead and grieve. right. because a lot of students are grieving right now. but they they can't access counselors and they can't access like mental health support groups because there is no space for them. and so there are other outlets for them right now, but they're not providing that basic need. >> i understand you talking about the grief aspect. there's also the personal safety aspect, right? because we've seen jewish students hiding out and locking down in libraries on some college campuses. cornell is the latest one. we've seen students supporting free palestinian state docks with billboards. right. those trucks parked right outside harvard in columbia. i wonder if you have seen things or actions that you've had to take to protect your own safety. i've heard of some students even wearing masks around because of fear of identification. are those things actually happening? >> yeah, they are actually happening on college campuses. and i've spoken to both jewish

and palestine supporting students about like fear of safety on campuses and i think this comes from administration often not reacting fast enough to provide resources or to act fast enough and talk about like, hey, doxing is not okay. right? because when we talk about free speech protections, we're also we're not really talking about how what it means to go to on social media and see your face online. when i myself prior to taking this interview, as you mentioned, like putting out there that i'm palestinian can sometimes be harmful towards me. and i feel a sense of fear. but at the end of the day, it's part of my job to come up here and advocate for students. right? but for other folks, you know, whether they're at protests, rallies, vigils, i've seen it firsthand. people with their cameras out recording students this and those videos make it to different instagram and social media pages where that becomes inflamed. students dms hear horrible things about what's going on on social media too. and this is this might seem outside of university jurisdiction. it really isn't at

this point. >> celine we only have about 30s, but i want you to really quickly describe to me what you think culturally competent at mental health care or therapist looks like because you said that is your main point and main ask right now. >> yeah, of course we can. right now, real quick is, for example, a marginalized communities such as like muslim, palestinian, arab communities have not seen like mental health care access and can talk about uc davis right now, which has been struggling to find a can counselor for the manassa community and oftentimes that's because we have a lack of counselors throughout the us, but also because like there isn't enough funding being put into these programs on college campuses in order to hire folks who can talk about these issues. so making pardon me, i don't mean to cut you off. >> i thought you were done, but celine arodin, i really appreciate you coming on to talk about this. and as this continues, we'll have conversations with different viewpoints, points, but certainly for college campuses, it's a real sense of concern right now. so i do appreciate

you coming on. >> take care. thank you. >> all right. coming up, still sticking with colleges. we're going to take you inside the college application process. our story that went viral about the high school graduate who was rejected by 16 schools. but got hired by google, had us asking questions. what exactly does it take to get into an elite college? does anyone have the answers? well, the man coming up might well get

are more enjoyable than others. how we get there, matters. get exceptional offers at your local audi dealer. going to college in a process called ed or early decision. the process is stressful and often unpredictable, as shown by stanley jones, the palo alto team we interviewed a few weeks ago who had incredible statistics and accomplishments yet still got rejected by 16

colleges. luckily, his coding abilities landed him a job at google. but da stanley's experience offer any food for thought as your child goes through the process. joining us live today to offer some advice for students and families in the thick of application season right now, one of the most sought after private college consultants, allen co, founder of cardinal, education based here in the bay area. allen, thanks for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> i think a lot of people in the bay area know, but for those who don't, what is a private college consultant? what do you do? >> sure. so we work with students, you know, as young as middle school to make sure that their character, their academics, their extracurriculars are diversified and differentiated in a way that can give them the maximum advantage to pursue the universities that they dream of. >> it sounds like a multi year effort, but your website says you cater to sophisticated families all over the world. usa today describes your company, cardinal education, as catering to the very affluent. first of

all, is that accurate? >> yes, it is. i mean, we do some pro bono work, but we're very highly specialized and we take a very small student load compared to pretty much all other college consulting firms. i see. >> all right. so the families that you work with, silicon valley families, i imagine fairly educated, you think they know kind of the system, the game yet i think your point is there's still a lot of misconception that people have about how elite colleges select and kids to admit. is that right ? >> oh, absolutely. i mean, many families think admissions is about being the best, but it's not about being the best. it's about being differentiated. and so this is a concept that most people don't understand about admissions. and so we spend a lot of time on parent and student education about the principles of admissions. and then from there, we help them craft a deep and differentiated strategy. >> so how might one be differentiated? and i'll bring this back to stanley only a little in the sense that you had

offered an opinion to in a piece with my colleague suzanne phan that perhaps he was unidirectional without having read his application, of course. but we're just conjecturing and maybe it was all about coding again, you haven't read his application. he did have some tutoring, started a program. so that was community service. but how might one stanley aside not be unidirectional? like, what do you mean by that? >> sure. >> so what i mean by that is so like for instance, i look at his gpa 4.42. it's a great way to gpa, but it's actually about at the lower end of elite for that high school. and so we see with his unweighted gpa of a 3.97. so what this tells us is he pretty much got all solid a's in everything he took, but he probably avoided some of the most challenging humanities classes. so that's one indication that we can get from his gpa and yes, i haven't read his application. he's obviously

a very brilliant young man. but for universities, like i said, the number one principle they're adhering to is differentiation and so if you think about it, it is very hard to differentiate as a heteronormative asian male from silicon valley interested in computer science. and so what they're doing is they're comparing you against everyone in your demographic or category and picking from there and that's what makes it so challenging. >> so give folks some advice then, right? if that is your category, you can't change a lot of those things about you and you're not going to suddenly choose a different major. that's not what you're interested in. then what do you do? i mean, do you practice goat yoga to differentiate? is it something quirky that i think a lot of kids have started to think, how do i look quirky? what's your advice on that? sure >> so some classic ways that we would advise a computer science student is a, you know, consider doing research. research actually shows that you're at

the pinnacle of computer science more than a startup, more than competitions, actually. so that's one thing that we ask students to consider. another thing is, can you combine your passion for computer science with something that is more non profit or humanities or maybe government or nonprofit based? and so that way you can kind of show that not only do you have technical skills, but you will serve to be a leader in society by applying your skills to people who most need it, right? >> i mean, again, when i look at i think that makes a lot of sense. alan first of all, and when i look at stanley's profile, you know, he had the tutoring program that he started. i think he started some document signing business. so there's a little bit of entrepreneurial ism there and of course, volunteerism. but i guess my question is, can you have absolutely everything but still not get into a top 20 college? alan >> unfortunately, yes, that is the case. and so we work really hard to differentiate students

powerfully. and it's not about doing things a little bit differently, but it's about fundamentally understanding who are you being compared against what and how do we stand out from those people? it's not just about trying hard doing your best. it's really thinking strategically about who you're competing against. >> but i think i read your comment in an article that really piqued my interest. there seemed to be some families who to get away from the silicon valley competitive pool, some even moved to rural areas. is that something that actually happens? is that easier? >> oh, absolutely. >> there are different states. i mean, so there's idaho, montana, wyoming and so these are known as scarce country where they don't send a lot of applicants to elite universities. and so many of our clients actually own vacation homes there. and many of these states have 1 or 2 very nice private schools. and so we have some students who are fleeing to these kinds of states . some families are thinking about different countries that maybe have a regular allocation,

but maybe not as competitive to get into. so these kinds of dramatic things like moves are not necessarily something that we ask families to consider as a normal course of business, but it is something families come to us with. >> all right. i guess i should point this out because my colleague had mentioned this and i wasn't sure if i read it correctly, but it's to me as a regular person, it seems stunning. i think your services range from something more affordable, but also goes all the way up to $1 million. first of all, correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm just wondering what does that what does that get someone like your clients, what do you do for them that, i guess is worth that amount of money? >> sure. >> well, actually, a lot of things. so first, unlike most college consultants who don't have our track record, we don't want a lot of students. we actually prefer to work with a very small number of students.

and so we're able to do that because of our track record. and so look, in terms of strategy. so that's the first thing that a college consultant is responsible for. do i think we're better at it than most? absolutely. but i think where we really differentiate ourselves is in the tactics. it's how do you actually do these things? how do you improve your time managementkills, your confiden and your motivation to be able to execute very ambitious plans. d then from there, we take it a step further and there's mediation that we have to take in the parents as the parents are not always on the same page and then be between the parents and the child and to make sure everyone is aligned so that this can be a productive and happy process. >> well, allen co, founder oftit everyone listening can afford your services, but certainly, hopefully people can take away the message about differentiation in and really thinking about how to stand out from, you know, the profiles

that may look similar. hopefully that's useful to folks. allen, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate your insight. >> thank you very much. take care. take care. >> up next, no more paper tickets on bart, the transit agency is looking to the future by going paperless. what to know before your next ride? coming up on getting

november 30th. all right. you can read all about it in a new article written by our media partner, the san francisco standard. that change coming because of new faregates. so let's talk to guess who, everything you need to know from the author of that article, garrett leahey, a reporter for the standard. hey, garrett. >> hi, kristen. how are you? >> i am good. now i'm not panicking, but some people might be those old fashioned paper tickets for bart going away. why is this happening? >> yeah, so but what's actually going on is that bart is going

to stop accepting those paper tickets with a magnetic stripe at the end of next month. november 30th. and they're getting rid of these tickets as they prepare to transition to the next generation of clipper fare gates, which will actually allow you to, rather than having a clipper card itself, just tap your ctact list credit card on e fare machine to let you in. you can do this also in london, new york and san francisco is going to have this sta rolling out next summer. so summer 20, 24. but for the next month, you can still us those paper tickets. but after that, as part of the new clipper rollout expected to happen, they won't be accepting those paper tickets after november 30th. wait. >> okay. so that's so convenient where you can just tap it with your credit card. does that mean you don't need to actually even get a special clipper card? >> that's right. with the once the machines are actually fully rolled out with the new clipper generation, you wouldn't need that clipper card either the

plastic card itself or the mobile clipper card that you can get on the phone with the clipper app. you wouldn't need those anymore. >> this is actually not a surprise, right? this is a process that's been long in coming. >> yeah, that's right. so the new clipper roll out has been anticipated for a while now, and it's just now that we're seeing this latest step of eliminating these legacy paper tickets as city prepares to accept that new technology. >> gotcha. okay so what if you still have those paper tickets, right? let's say i have $10. i think i have multiple cards with a few bucks left. what should i do with them at this point? with a month left to use them? >> sure. so you could use them at a station on. bart says you can't actually transfer the ballots from paper tickets directly to your clipper card, but if there's a balance for more than $1 on a paper ticket, you can actually apply for a refund to bart directly to get that money back and then add it to your clipper card. okay. >> so it's not wasted. i just have to go through this application process. okay. that is good to know how did the pandemic affect this whole

transition process? if at all? >> sure. so what happened with the pandemic was in 2020, bart actually transit happened away from the paper tickets in order to try and prevent contact with the covid pandemic. so they transitioned all their stations to accepting clipper cards. and during the pandemic, trying to limit transmission of the coronavirus was so they now currently still accept those paper tickets. and for a while at sfo, you could actually still buy paper tickets. so that ended on september 30th. so go ahead. >> okay. i'm sorry. no, i didn't mean to cut you off. i thought you were done with that thought. i did show some video of people jumping over the faregates by sliding under them. is this part of bart's strategy to reduce that the fare? skipping and really shore up its finances? i know they've been in trouble, so there's actually a separate fare gate project meant to deter gate hoppers and fare evaders.

>> i believe the west oakland bart station slated to have those gates installed in december and then a full rollout will also happen around summer of next year is i don't know personally what the gates are going to look like, but it's a new gate design, presumably to prevent people from just hopping over the fare gate and that doesn't really tie in directly to the paper tickets, the transition away from paper tickets, but it's its own separate project from bart to try and help shore up its finances by preventing fare evasion. >> got it. all right. fascinating garrett lahey, thank you so much for explaining what's going on with those bart paper tickets. >> yes, thank you. >> and you can check out garrett's article and more of the san francisco standard's other original reporting on their website. sf standard.com. we'll take a short break and be right cancer is a journey you don't take alone. you did it! our cancer care team works together to care for all that is you.

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event was not related to the israel-hamas war. thanks for watching. tonight, breaking news. the fbi director and the new warning tonight about the threat of terrorism here in the u.s., as the israel-hamas war intensifies. tonight, a massive air strike hitting the largest refugee camp in gaza. dozens feared dead. palestinian civilians digging for victims, young children among them. the israeli military saying it took out a top hamas leader. but the military is pressed tonight, what about the civilian casualties? ian pannell on the ground for us. here in the u.s., the alarming new terror warning tonight from fbi director christopher wray, saying the israel war with hamas raises the potential for an attack on