the first, and that means the holiday travel season is officially right around the corner. but your plans don't have to be pricey. we've got data driven techniques that will help you save money. daylight saving time ends this sunday and will fall back to standard time.

it seems every year we ask why are we still doing this? well, today we'll dig into the reasons daylight saving time is still not year round. but first you will likely see more police officers around san francisco very soon in neighborhoods. the board of supervisors has approved a legislation requiring the city's police department to add more foot and bike patrols. i'm kristen sze you're watching getting answers. thanks for joining us. now that plan to beef up patrols comes as sfpd is short of its staffing goals by hundreds of full time officers. so how will exactly the city make this happen? join us live now to answer that question and more. is san francisco supervisor asha safai, who introduced this ordinance. supervisor safai, thanks for your time. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> yeah, well, i want to say congratulations. i know you worked on this for quite a while. this ordinance got unanimous approval. what does that say to you? >> i mean, listen, every part of san francisco is being impacted right now by high crime and

people want to see police officers in the community doing true community policing. all the studies have shown when you put officers on the beat or on bikes , it reduces crime anywhere between 20 to 30. so by doing that, just a simple measure of getting them out of their cars or getting them out of the station and in the community city is going to have a significant impact. and we did this for the first time. we allowed it to be a voluntary thing. but this says the chief of police, with full discretion an will work with the captains who have been allocated the overtime budget. so this narrative about not having enough police officers, it is true we definitely need to continue to step up and we will do that. but the money is there and they have the ability to have the officers on the beat and i think that's going to make the difference. >> all right. i want to break

that down a little bit. first, the return to community policing part can you give us a little bit of the history of how that's worked out in san francisco? because i think it's kind of like we had it then we veered away from it due to some concerns, and then now we're veering back. well i think that it's just uneven right now. >> if you go to union square at this moment, you'll see officers out on the beat. but if you go to the tenderloin, if you go to the richmond, if you go to the excelsior and the bayview and you look at the areas where crime has been happening, you don't see officers on the beat. and so what we're saying with this measure is the resources are there, the overtime money is there. put the officers back out on the street and i think more than anything, you're going to start to see morale go up. community policing in its true form will have a positive impact on san francisco. go and crime will go down. >> can i just ask you why bike and foot patrols are they better

than, for example, car patrols? is there an element of engagement? talk about that. >> absolutely. when you have an officer that's from a particular community, he knows the merchants by name. he knows the individuals that are out on the on the street is able to be effective in the sense it's building true relations ships that then allows them to solve crime and to deter crime before it happens is just the sheer presence. and i can tell you, i saw it in real time the other day, way out in the community. i was walking in venice and we saw a patrol car go by one of the alleys and there were people there using drugs. five minutes later, officers walk by on the street. they engage with every single person they saw. they packed up their materials. they were guiding them to resources. and within 15 minutes, the entire street was clean. people feel better about going to their cars and felt safe in real time,

in real time, putting officers out of their cars and on the beat as a tremendous community impact. and it helps build relationships with the officers and the community. >> is there any conflict, though, with some folks thinking about too much police presence in some neighborhoods or perhaps excessive policing or engagement? >> well, i'll tell you, i was really proud to work with supervisor shamann walton on this. this was building off of some of his early work, a couple of years ago. he was one of the early sponsors and supporters of this measure. he's saying folks in bayview-hunters point want to see officers out of their cars in the community, doing true community policing. so when it's done right and they built the relationships and they know the community city, of course, we concerned about it. any overpolicing. but right now everyone from every corner of san francisco, from the bayview to the richmond to the sunset to the excelsior to the mission people want to see officers out

in the community engaging with the community and stopping crime before it happens. >> can i ask you if you think this is an important piece to making residents feel safer and in terms of actually deterring crime? >> absolutely. when people see an officer that they might have a question of that they might have a concern about, they can go to they can engage with them. and then, you know, often they can say thank you for your service. thank you for being here. i feel better about your presence that also builds morale within the police department. and that's something that i care deeply about. we want to make officers feel welcome about being in san francisco and being a police officer in san francisco. right. >> when does it take effect? >> it takes effect january one, 2024. so in two months, we will see more officers and a plan for every single community in san francisco. >> so let me ask you, you mentioned that the resources are already there. it's just a matter of reconfiguring. and i want to drill down on that because it seems like if you're

not adding to the police force or adding to the police budget, if you're going to put some officers on bike and foot patrols, does that mean where are you taking them away from? >> no, i mean, think about it like this average officer has a 10 to 12 hour shift. but what this says is and i imagine the chief and again, we leave the complete discretion up to the chief and the captains to make this decision. they have the overtime money allocated within their department. so whatever the number of the officers are in their in their assigned to their district, this says then we have the money. look at your shift. but if out of that shift you spend 2 or 3 hours out on the street and you're in the areas where the crime has shown to be occurring, you're going to be utilizing the shifts that are available and utilizing the current resources that are available. >> all right. and which neighborhoods do you suppose you mentioned the unevenness in the past in terms of the patrols, which neighborhoods are we going to focus on? >> i mean, the legislation an

asks the chief to work with every single police captain. so it's every every police captain district within the entire city and county of san francisco. i've been a supervisor for seven years in the excelsior outer mission, lakeview. we have never had consistent assigned foot beat officers. that will change come january one. >> what other changes? all over san francisco, where in the sunset, in the excelsior, in the bayview, in the richmond you haven't seen the consist tsay of foot beat officers but after this legislation this requires that to happen. >> obviously taking into consideration calls for service and of course being able to respond to emergencies as they come. but this really says you have resources, we want you to use the resources you have and put the officers back out on the street to build true community engagement. >> what other changes would you like to see from police and city policy in terms of how we tackle

crime and public safety? >> well, listen, i think that we've had significant retail theft over the last few years. i've been the loudest voice ringing the alarm about brazen retail theft in this city. we've started to see some changes. we've gotten some money from the state level that has had dedicated assistant district attorneys, dedicated dated police officers and working to target those areas, mainly the property crimes, the car break ins, the home break ins and the retail theft. those are some of the biggest areas. and then lastly, of course, the open air drug dealing that's happening in the tenderloin and south of market. you know, predominantly we need to ensure that officers are there and are visibly present to deter that type of crime. >> all right. i think we should point it out to our viewers and voters that you are running for mayor of san francisco next year. i take it this will be one

of the key issues for you. >> this is something for me that is a is a bedrock. i'm not waiting to become mayor of san francisco. i'm doing it now. and this is something that i think will have an immediate impact. we want to see officers back out on the streets, in the community, doing true community policing, and that will begin january 1st. and absolutely this is the centerpiece of my campaign for mayor, san francisco supervisor asha safai. >> thank you so much for joining us today. thank you for having me. >> yep. >> all right. coming up next, the debate over daylight saving time as we get ready to fall back this weekend. are there benefits to getting that extra hour of sleep? and why do we keep making this change every year? we'll get some scientific answers

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standard time. if you feel like we talk about this every year, you're right. so aren't we? and why aren't we on daylight saving time? year round is what some people are asking. and what does all the back and forth do for our health? joining us live now to answer those questions, professor jamie zeitzer, co director of stanford's center for sleep and circadian sciences. professor zeitzer, thanks for your time. >> well, thanks for having me. >> real, super quickly, just explain what happens on the clock this saturday night into sunday morning. >> well, clocks fall back. that's you know, you you get that extra hour of sleep in there. >> all right. so the effect is what happens the next day in terms of what we'll notice. >> exactly. it's basically like taking a trip. you're basically moving a time zone in a single day. and so it's in the fall. it's great. you get that extra hour of sleep and in the spring, not so good. you're going to

lose that hour, right? >> it's so funny. some people love it when it's brighter out early so they can get up and get out of bed. other people prefer it, you know, brighter when they're getting home from work so they can still exercise. so people are very passionate about this. so in recent years, there's been a push to end this practice of fall back and spring forward. more than a dozen states, including california, have taken action to try to make daylight saving time. what we're on now, year round. what is the argument for that? so a lot of people do they they like these. >> they like light in the in the afternoon. so when they get back from work that they can they can go shopping, they can go play golf, they can be outside. there's a lot of push for that. people really like that. having that light in the evening from the other side. some people like being up in the morning and having that light in the morning. they don't like it when it's getting light out at 9 a.m, 10 a.m. that's a little too late. from a biology perspective, most of the data is basically saying that we should really be in permanent standard

time, not in that permanent daylight time gasp. >> okay, so explain why scientific speaking it is better to be on standard time, the time that we're going to as of this sunday at and having that be the standard throughout the year. >> sure. so there's definitely there's a lot of data showing that the switch is bad, that basically moving between time zones twice a year is not good for your health. that being said, there's much more limited amount of data, but the data that is basically looking at people who live on two different sides of the same time zone, those who get the earlier morning light tend to be healthier. okay. so that's that's really kind of the main crux of the issue. and there's a lot of theoretical as to why that kind of early morning light is definitely better for your sleep and circadian systems as well. >> but is that what's holding us back in terms of actually getting daylight saving time year round done? because i think , you know, it seems like the voters here in california to prefer that. what are some of the obstacles to that happening?

>> yeah, that's a great question and we're not sure. >> so the voters definitely were in favor of this, voted for it. most of the medical societies have come out in favor of permanent standard time. marco rubio has tried to pass this through congress, having permanent daylight time. there's definitely going to be some north south going on to. i'm not sure if what's good for the country is necessarily good for california, for definitely the further north you go, the more people tend to really like having that that extra light in the morning because it does get so dark for so long in the morning. and the other arguments that there are a lot of economic arguments that not being economists, i really don't want to weigh in on. but there's definitely economic arguments on both sides in terms of the amount of energy, one says, or the extra shopping that that people do. and the kind of the money that it adds to the economy. >> that's so fascinating. and you're right. right. there's that north south difference because i remember going to seattle one year in the summer and i was like, i don't want daylight at 1030 at night. take

it away. okay. so i can see that. and that's the problem. we are a big country, right? finding something that works for all is certainly not easy. and you also mentioned something that interests me. could it be that what's best for our body? perhaps standard time not be best for how we like to live these days? like exercise after work? >> absolutely. we do this all the time. we choose things that are not necessarily going to be the best biologically or medically speaking. it's something that, you know, we tried earlier, you know, we tried going to permanent daylight time and it lasted, i think, about six months before people kind of revolted. but people do like it. and a lot of it is really how the question is phrased. and you can definitely get to different responses depending on how you ask people about this question. because when you say things like do you want permanent summer time people like, course, that's awesome. as opposed to thinking about like, well, or do you want to be waking up and going to school or work and having it still dark until, you know, 10:00 in the morning? yeah so

again, there are different ways of putting it to really get kind of the, the same different answers out of the same real question. >> okay. so given our reality currently, is this back and forth right? and given you've told us that it's tough on our body when we switch, it's like jet lag for a few days, how can we begin to, i guess, soften that blow for us? are there things we can start doing today or in advance? >> basically, if you're kind of in this case, if you adjust your sleep timing about 15 minutes a night for a couple of nights preceding the change, that can definitely make it easier to make that that full one hour shift when it's actually time to do that. and then once the shift happens and it's really getting out there and getting some good light in the morning and that'll really help you adjust as fast as possible. >> are there other things we should adjust in our environment to kind of help us adjust to the new time and sleep better? >> it's an hour shift. you know, it's not it's not a huge shift. you know, if you were to travel from here to colorado, it's the same kind of hour jet lag that

you're going to put yourself through. you know, having a good sleeping environment is always great. of course, you know, in the fall, getting that extra hour of sleep, most people are in desperate need of that extra hour of sleep. and i think it's definitely easier to adapt that way. it's that spring one that's so tough where everyone's losing that hour. >> okay, so this may make you unpopular with some, but i'm going to have to ask you, if you had your druthers, if you got to make the rules, what would you stick it on? which time would you pick or would you kind of keep going back and forth, back and forth? >> yeah, no, i wouldn't go back and forth. i'd have to say me personally, i'd go with permanent standard time. >> that that seems that fits my lifestyle a little better. happens to fit the biology. but honestly, as you said, this is it comes down to kind of a lifestyle question and that you can move to hawaii better. >> you can move to hawaii there on standard time year round, right? that's true. not a bad idea. yes. all right, professor. >> it's a good it's a good for a lot of reasons.

>> i know. right okay. professor jamie zeitzer, co director of stanford center for sleep and circadian sciences, thank you so much. really appreciate that conversation. >> thank you. >> coming up next, do you want to save money on your next flight? the travel expert is in from when to fly to tools that will help you cash in. we'll share all the tips and tricks

you big time this year. don't worry. travel website hopper has been compiling data driven tips to help us all save. joining us live now to share those tricks and to debunk some old tricks that may be no longer work is hopper's lead economist, hailey berg. hailey. nice to have you on the show. >> great to be with you. >> i mean, i guess we have to start here, which is it too late now to save on holiday travel? are we already in a pinch for thanksgiving or christmas?

>> it's not too late. but you do need to book now. prices for both thanksgiving and christmas are already rising by a couple of dollars a day on average. we're also seeing flights start to fill up. so if you haven't booked yet and you do plan to fly book both thanksgiving and christmas. now, the only exception is if you're a little flexible on christmas and can wait until the last minute, there will be a huge sale on travel travel deal tuesday. the tuesday after thanksgiving. you can sometimes find a special deal on that day. >> wait, the tuesday after thanksgiving is a good day to find flight deals for the end of the year. >> yes, and not just for the end of the year. for next year, too. we see about double the flight deals available on this tuesday after thanksgiving that we see on black friday. and thousands more routes on sale than we typically see on any given tuesday. so it's a great date to keep in mind, november 28th, it'll be huge deals on travel, not just on the hopper app, but across the travel industry.

>> i am marking my calendar, but the fact that you mentioned tuesday brings me to an old i don't know if it's myth or just an old practice where people think, hey, you know, if you can just don't book on the weekend, that's when they charge you. they know you're home, wait till tuesday and the prices drop. is that still true? >> we hear this myth all of the time. everyone wants a golden rule, right? if i book at 6 a.m, if i book on a tuesday, i'm guaranteed to get the best deal. the reality is that the way flight tickets are priced has advanced. so much in the past 15 or 20 years that the best day or time to book your specific trip from your airport to your destination, your dates can vary day to day, hour to hour here, and there isn't a single day of the week that you can get the best deal. the best thing to do is use a price monitoring tool. this is the core of what the hopper app does. we monitor the price of your flights and notify you when they're at their lowest. that way you're not checking constantly, but you can guarantee that you'll book at the lowest price. whether that

price is available on tuesday or any other day of the week. >> so let me ask you about this. tracking prices in real time. there are multiple tools that you can do that with these days. right. and how does that help you in terms of deciding when to pull the trigger price tracking is one of the greatest things that you can do to help find a deal when you're planning a trip. >> and the main advantage is prices can change within an hour. they can change within a day, multiple times, but on average, they fall until about three, four months before departure for international. a little bit later for domestic. and then they rise on average. so price monitoring allows you to see the ebb and flow of prices day to day. but something like the hopper app, we actually give you a recommendation. we say, hey, this is an okay price, but we think you should wait for a lower price. it should materialize in the next two weeks. for example. and we notify you when that best price is available. travel planning shouldn't be as stressful as it

is, especially with a lot of families tightening their wallets this year. so price monitoring is an easy way to take some of that stress off your shoulders. >> whoa. i'm sure you don't have a crystal ball. so how do you come up with the we think the price is going to go a little bit lower in a week. is that based on past history? how do you do that? modeling >> we have a tremendous database. more than 75 trillion historical prices. and we use this database to forecast the future price of your specific trip. so when we give you a prediction, we are looking at your specific origin, your destination, the dates that you're flying, even things like i don't want to go on a low cost carrier or i want to fly direct. we forecast for your specific trip and then we monitor those prices every second so that as soon as we see the price, that is the absolute lowest we expect for your trip, you get a notification and you can book it. wow. >> okay. one last myth. i guess if it's if you want to call it that, that i got to ask you

about what about clearing your browser or cash? is that still something we should be doing? i remember thinking, oh, airlines are they know. they know. they know. if you keep looking, they're going to jack up the price on you. >> it's a common myth. sometimes we feel like we're being followed across the internet and prices are increasing after we've searched. >> but the reality is that prices are volatile and they can change minute to minute. and oftentimes when we search for a flight and then we come back even an hour later to book it, it might be that that price is no longer available. this is a normal thing that happens. clearing your cache or your cookies won't prevent it, but using price monitoring can help you get around to those ebbs and flows of the lowest price. >> all right. well, we are out of time, but we've got some great tips from you. hayley, thank you so much. really appreciate it, as always. >> great to be with you. >> and i'm glad that the airlines aren't watching me like big brother. okay a reminder, you can get our live newscast. breaking news, weather and more with our abc7 bay area streaming

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