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satirical take on how international journalists can write their own version and get ready for not just traffic gridlock, but massive protests. daetz. what is sfpd security plan and which groups are planning to make themselves heard? but first, perhaps the biggest development the world will be watching at apec is the scheduled meeting between president biden and chinese president xi jinping. you're watching getting answers. i'm kristen sze. thanks for joining us. the meeting between biden and xi comes at a time of tension between the two nations that have been ratcheting up for quite some time now, a few years at least. but today there are new signs that perhaps this frosty relationship is thawing out just in time for achieving some agreements at apec that may benefit the world. joining us live now is scott moskovitz, a senior analyst on china and apac at the decision intelligence company morning consult. thank you so much for joining us, scott. appreciate your time. >> thank you so much for having

me. it's great to be here. >> this meeting between the two leaders is certainly a big deal. it was not a slam dunk. what are some of the reasons that relations have been very rocky and tense in the last few years? >> well, there have been a number of reasons. and, you know, one is certainly china under xi jinping, taking a more aggressive tack on the international stage. but even at times when it seemed like relations could be getting back on track, a few different things kind of pushed them aside. first, you had nancy pelosi's visit to taiwan. and, you know, china had certain reaction to that. they cut off all sort of high level dialog for a while. this was on the heels of, you know, covid, which had led to a lot of issues and discord. and then right as things started to get back on track, we had or seemed like they were going to with a planned visit from blinken. we had balloon gate and then the us had to have their response and now slowly everything has started to die down. and especially given the position china is in economically, it seems like with the overtures the biden administration has been making lately, it might just be time to

get things back on track when you say economy, the chinese economy has been slowing down. >> it was hot for a long time, right? but now they're struggling a little bit. so let's talk about the morning council polls that suggest a softening of recent tensions. so you have one that takes a look at the view from the chinese side and also the american side. so let's go ahead and put that up on t.v. right now for you. that one. yeah >> do you see this? so, yeah, sorry. right. so you see, you know, quite a lot of animosity. tsay and what you actually see is that you have more animosity from the us side currently chinese relations, if you look at the trended data that we also showed in the report, they've really steadily been improving over the last few months, which might catch a lot of people off guard. and there are a number of reasons we can talk about that. but even as that seems to offer an opening us us opinion about china seems to have hardening its often recently a little bit. but there are major partizan divides in that softening which

you know, might create problems for really trying to make any progress going forward for sure. >> so am i looking at this right that more than 50% of americans see the us through the unfriendly enemy lens? right. and only under 20% see china as friendly or an ally. and among chinese, it's less than 50% that view the us as unfriendly or an enemy. and of course, more see the us as an ally and friend. but overall, still more red on both sides. but let's take a look at how this has evolved in the us over the last year and a half or so. so explain to us what we're seeing here. yeah you can see a slight softening in the last few months, but what you really see is that's kind of driven by democrats. >> and i think democrats are probably responding to all of the overtures that the biden administration has made to really tamp down relations, you know, saying this is not we don't need you know, another source of tension right now when we're focused on all these other issues. if we could get things

back on track. so the biden administration has made a really concerted effort, sending a number of officials, yellen, blinken, you know, over to meet with chinese officials. and that's, you know, democrats have responded to that. but republicans, we can see, are much, much, much more negative. so a lot of the movement is really coming in partizan terms and that sort of skewing the picture overall. >> so red is negative, green is positive. give overall, though, even amongst democrats, china is still viewed as mostly not a friend. and for those who don't remember the history, maybe the youngins among us watching how did that all evolve? because in world war two, us and china were on the same side, right. talk about what has changed. >> yeah, well, you know, the china that was on the same side in the us in world war two was effectively be a different country or a different government. that was us prior to the communist revolution of 1949. so when mao comes to power

in 1949, the us for a very long time does not recognize his government as legitimate. the previous government, the nationalists, they lose the revolution and they flee to taiwan. and for a long time, the united states recognizes taiwan as a legitimate government or they recognize where taiwan is as the government of china, and that evolves, you know, late under nixon. then when we start to try for rapprochement towards, you know, and that really shifts the cold war right ? and that changes. >> i mean, china is just so much bigger. so there were lots of practical reasons for wanting to improve that relationship. and of course, what the recent battle over whether china wants taiwan to reunify with them and taiwan not exactly wanting to do that. the us is also in that as well. so given all these tensions and what are the priorities, what are the reasons for wanting to improve things? that is how is that relationship important to not just us here in california or the us, but the world? yeah i think it's of

critical importance to the world. >> you make a really good point. these are the world's two undeniable superpowers. they control the global economy. they're the most to most militarily powerful nation. any kind of fundamental breakup between the two, whether it's just economic or, god forbid, if it is military, it would be absolutely devastating to not just the global economy, but to the world. so you know, this relationship, the future of the world is literally at stake as well as the future of both the us and china. so i'm not saying that we are in danger of that happening tomorrow, but anything we can do to walk back tensions, you know, within reason, that's probably never a bad thing, right. >> and it certainly could help the economies of both countries as well. right. so is apec an opportunity to improve things? what can you see coming out of this? yeah >> mean think with a lot of these international summits, you don't often see a lot of actual substantive changes. but the optics, if biden and xi are to meet on the sidelines, that

would be huge because there hasn't been a meeting in a very long time and it would show that china is coming to meet the us on its terms after so many us officials have gone to china. there's been some small movement the other direction, but it really seemed like china was turning its back and this would be at least a symbolic opening and that could be really important. >> are there some other interesting views or attitudes that came out in the morning? consult study? >> yeah, i think there were some very interesting findings right now. you know, as we've mentioned, china's economy is struggling. so you'd think one of the places that we could maybe make progress is this multi us trade war that we're in the middle of. but interestingly, people on both sides, both the us and china, both democrats and republicans, by and large, they support keeping the existing tariffs in place. and in china, for one reason or another, support of the existing tariffs has actually increased. that may be sort of a protectionist reaction to a struggling economy. and what's really interesting is

that especially republicans say on a lot of measures, the tariffs actually hurt most voters interests, not the economy overall, but consumer interests, spending ability. and yet they still support keeping them in place. so there's been a real punitive turn in the relationship. i think that will make some things hard to unwind. >> so basically, these tariffs make it more expensive for us to buy chinese goods, right? and when we sell things to china, our goods are more expensive, too. if they put a tariff on us and then they buy less. and so if you're selling things to china, that that gets harder to do business, too. okay. so let me ask you, do you expect things to take take a turn for the better or worse heading into the 2024 presidential election? >> yeah, i think in the short term, you know, this meeting with xi, there could be some progress. china is certainly showing that there is a little more openness. and i think a lot of that is because of the position of sort of relative weakness, you know, compared to recent. but as the election heats up, you know, republicans

are going to go hard on biden for being soft on china. and that may really limit his capacity to make substantive offers, substantive negotiate options. and, you know, that that could be a problem. and like you showed before, there. democrats are also fairly hostile to china, just not as much so as republicans. >> right. so it'll be interesting to see whether it makes that big of a difference depending on who ends up in the white house. but i really appreciate this. this is such a fascinating conversation. scott moskowitz with morning consult. appreciate your time. >> thank you so much for having me. appreciate it as well. thank you. >> coming up next, as visitors flock to san francisco for apec, the chronicle is inviting people to write their own doom loop story. up next, the author joins us to share his satirical take on the narrative about rsv can be a dangerous virus [sneeze]

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bad things are between drugs, perpetual homelessness, break ins and emptying office buildings. you've probably heard these headlines referred to as the doom loop. depending on your perspective and lived experience, they're either only partially true, but grossly exaggerated for political purposes or very true and reason for leaving the city or writing its obituary just in time for all the domestic and international journalists who will be in town for apec in case they want to write their own doom loop story. the san francisco chronicle's culture critic and co-host of the total sf podcast, peter hartlaub, offers a helpful playbook. peter joins us live now to talk about what his latest article entails. hey there, peter. >> hi, how are you doing? >> i'm doing just fine. got a

chuckle. got a chuckle. what's the big idea behind your essential guide for out of town reporters on how to write your own doom loop story? >> oh, we were just my colleague , joe garofoli and i were just so tired of people all particularly on the east coast media writing the obituary for san francisco. so a city that has a lot of problems it has to work through right now, now, but has had a lot of problems in its history. and just historically that phenix on the flag we've always come back. 1906, earthquake and fire wiped out half the city. we survived the aids crisis just so many things that it feels like a lot of people have written the city off. when we can come back, we can come through this. it's still a beautiful city. so we wrote a story kind of satirizing that, letting journalists coming in, know how to write their doom loop story while kind of telling them not to. >> yeah, i really like the way you mix that in. let's take a look, shall we, at some of the unique angles that you

suggested. let's start with the first one that not your first, but the first one that caught my eye head down to downtown san francisco. go via bart. >> yeah, bart. i think people are going to get on bart and expect it just this apocalyptic people mover and all the cars are new now those old kind of richard nixon era cars from the 70s are gone uh- far fewer stains on the seats. not zero, but far fewer. and certainly when you get to downtown, there's a few buildings that are closed and there's some struggles going on there, but there's a lot of beautiful, fun things to see. it's still a fun city to visit. and i think anybody who's read some of the headlines might be surprised to find that out. oh, yes. >> yes. and in fact, you also suggest visiting the ultimate landmark for san francisco's failure. and that would be that would be the nordstrom, the westfield mall that closed. >> i find this particularly comical because i have lived in

the bay area all my life. and i can name i can spend this whole segment naming the dying malls that i've lived through, you know, fashion island and foster city, nordstrom. >> you go to the ice skating rink, too, as a kid like i did. >> oh, yeah. i played broomball there. i did ice skating, get a little orange julius there. go to the, i think the gold rush or the tilt arcade. yeah. our fashion island. >> but nordstrom, we ever actually like we're on the ice at the same time peter did we do that and not know it? wouldn't that have been funny? >> i am much, much older than you. we were not on the same time. >> i won't talk about that right now on air, but we have to sort this out afterwards. okay. so you're right. there have been lots of mall closing in the past, although i have to be honest, like when i was little in that mall first opened, i always thought that circular design was not the best for theft prevention. i always thought that for 30 years, even when the economy was amazing, the other problem with that mall was it had no windows.

>> you're in the most beautiful city in the united states and they built zero windows. so you can look out and see all the stuff going around there. it had a good run, but i think this idea that that's like the thanos snap moment of san francisco and that everything is over because is a mall, is dying, is really shortsighted and really not focusing on the bigger issues. >> and would you say the same about some pharmacies closing because you also suggested that they could walk by a closed walgreens? yeah yeah, i've noticed that. >> like anytime there's a walgreens closed, it's like blame san francisco and it's like there's walgreens closing all over the world. this is the place that entrusted its future to elizabeth holmes and theranos . you know, it's believe me, i'm rooting for walgreens. i know that there's shoplifting issues. i know that there's a lot of things to work through. and i don't want to make full light of things going on in the city. we need to work through these

things. but i think we also need to recognize that this is a city that's worth fighting for. there's a lot of beauty here. we've been through struggles before, and if you walk around and appreciate the good things and it's going to motivate us to fix some of the struggles going on. >> yeah, i mean, you are honest because in the article you also did warn people, seriously, don't leave anything in your rental car. and that's even where you're suggesting where they can set up their doom loop live shot, which is actually a beautiful location. but granted, like you said, it's got its problems. >> alamo square, you know, you got the full house picnic vibe going on there. you've got the painted ladies. we did say, and this is really serious, i say this to people coming into town, i run into tourists all the time. my podcast total is about exploring san francisco. and i say like, don't be afraid. even, you know, the tenderloin and even those areas, there's great places to eat. there's great people there. the one thing that's 1,000% real is do not leave anything in your car. i

mean, the technology tsay for finding out that you left your laptop or ipad in the car is off the charts in san francisco. you will lose it. so that's kind of one thing they should put that on the flag like san francisco. welcome to san francisco. don't leave anything in your car. that's one thing that i don't think can be exaggerated because it's a serious issue and i feel horrible for tourists who come here and have their visit to beautiful san francisco ruined by something like that. >> you know, look, we know you're an unabashed san francisco bay area fan, right, that there are things that are so unique about this area. but i wonder if you think some of those unique things that are amazing and may also make it a little harder to get out of this current downward slope in the challenges we're facing? >> yeah, i think so. but that's all the more reason i think we shouldn't give up and we have never in the history of san francisco and there have been so many times that people have said san francisco is over because of, you know, rising prices is

because of people fleeing to the suburbs, because the tech boom and people right. the obituary. but we've come back. i'm worried this time that people are believing it and the kinds of people who would have fought and innovative and been mavericks and found ways to make a better city are not going to be around because they're just giving up. and we shouldn't give up. we should address the problems while appreciating the beauty and exploring this great place. we get to live. >> and that's peter is reading between the lines what you really hope the journalists will write about when they come to town. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> coming up next, prepare for protest during aipac. our media partner, the san francisco standard, will help us dive into what's on tap for next week as we hear more on the security plan from sfpd chief bill scott. stay with us. getting answe

and city leaders have been

telling us about heightened security during aipac. they're planning for protests that are expected to happen throughout the summit. police chief bill scott gave an update today. >> this city knows how to facilitate first amendment activity. we do it time and time again. we respect people exercising their first amendment rights, but we will not tolerate violence and we will not tolerate property destruction. i want to make that very clear. we are prepared to take action if those things do occur. >> dirt is diving deeper into the planned protests. this article explores a day by day guide of what's likely to happen where and when. joining us live now with more is joel umanzor, a reporter for the san francisco standard. hi, joel. >> hey, how are you guys doing? >> we're doing fine. we're kind of getting ready like the rest of the city, right? why is this an attractive time, you think, for protesters to kind of make their demands known and be seen? >> well, aipac is international forum of world leaders different

economic markets and whatnot. so with that comes a lot of hot button topics. and san francisco is known as a, you know, a very active protesting city. that's you know, we're going to see more of that. this coming week with aipac for sure there. >> and of course, there are a lot of different groups planning different protests over different issues, different actions, different policies. but am i right in reading your article that there's kind of an umbrella group, the no to aipac coalition? >> yeah, the no to aipac coalition is the main group that we're seeing. you know, organized different protests around san francisco for this week. they're a coalition of about 100 different grassroots organizations, ins ranging from antiwar, environmental to more specific movements like the palestinian youth movement, which is associated with this this coalition as well. so there's a bunch of different struggles coming in together to, you know, push uh, you know, they're protesting this week at aipac. okay. >> so your article contains some

of the biggest expected protests. can you tell us which ones like what group and where they're going to be when? so the main one we're looking at is sunday, the mass mobilization that's going to happen at embarcadero. >> organize leaders have stated that they're planning on marching from embarcadero to close to the moscone center. but with street closures and whatnot for apec, you know, that remains to be seen how close they're going to get to moscone center. >> all right. what are some of the others? there's a indo-pacific economic framework protest. >> yeah, that one happened today. it was supposed to happen in the environmental group that hung the banner on the bay bridge. i believe it's oil and action. and gas action network, among other environmental groups . but they were holding something at yerba buena gardens today that was going to happen during the ministerial meetings for the indo-pacific economic framework for prosperity. >> all right. san francisco state's league of filipino students is organizing something . >> yeah, yeah. they're going to have basically a whole day of informational activity called

the people's summit at the university this weekend. they're going to be hosting various speakers and talking about the impacts of apec on not just the united states economy, but various economies around southeast asia and japan and korea. >> so when will activists gather to protest the apec ceo summit? >> that's going to happen on wednesday, we believe on the second day of the ceo summit that we're planning on seeing a protest happen at powell street. remains to be seen. what the what the route would be, if there is any marching route. you know, that's just one of those things that we're keeping an eye on. >> san francisco is dedicated to protecting free speech, but at the same time, you do have all these foreign dignitaries and domestic. you know, we have president biden in town. so obviously, from sfpd to secret service, they're all trying to do their best to protect everybody involved. so what are some of the concrete actions that you think they're going to take that they've announced? >> well, we see that there's going to be specific zones that you can enter in and out of. so

we are telling everybody that's planning on traveling into san francisco, whether that be driving into san francisco or taking public transit to do some extra homework as to what's going on in the city. whenever you are traveling into san francisco, i see what other protests are planned during this week that perhaps haven't confirmed details yet. so we're in the same boat as sfpd right now, which are keeping their eye on social media and whatnot. we're trying to, you know, do our due diligence and we're going to be keeping our eye open on social media for any, you know, impromptu demonstrations that are going to happen right now, you know, organizers are saying there are many days next week that there probably will be more smaller demonstrations. so, you know, we do not know exactly where they're going to be happening. but me and the team here at the express desk, we're going to be keeping our eye on that, right on those flash events. >> right. they just drop it. everybody goes. all right. joel umanzor, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> apec kicks off this saturday

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