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love you i'll take you ♪ ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ♪ this is "nightline." >> juju: tonight, royal riffing. the new book dropping big allegations about the british monarchy. >> i believe that this book will burn the bridges for good. >> juju: shocking details on the accusations of racism back when meghan and harry were expecting. >> do you know about made those comments about archie's skin color?
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>> i do know who made the comments. >> juju: william and harry's relationship. how deep is the humored rift? >> the sources around william say william doesn't trust his brother, called him a defector at one point. >> juju: will meghan and harry's marriage survive the drama? plus young thug. ♪ the rapper behind hits like "check" on trial. >> you're going to hear that this gang stole at least three lives. >> juju: accused of being a gang mastermind. >> is he the grammy award-winning artist? is he the general of a major gang? or is he both? >> juju: are his rap lyrics evidence? or art? >> you say lyrics, i say our culture's on trial. i think it's a very slippery slope. >> juju: why donald trump's legal team might be paying attention.
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shocking allegation in an interview full of them. >> we have in tandem the conversation of, he won't be given security. he's not going to be given a title. and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he's born. >> what? >> reporter: during a 2021 interview with oprah, the duchess of sussex, meghan markle, alleging a member of the royal family raised questions about what color her son's skin would be. the ripple effects lasting to this day. do you know who made those comments about archie's skin color? >> i do know who made the comments about archie's skin color. the names were mentioned in letters between meghan and charles that were exchanged some time after the oprah interview. >> reporter: royal reporter owen scobey's new book "end game" sharing new details, claiming it was two people who made those comments. just one of the many allegations in the new tell-all about the house of windsor. are you able to share the two names that you know of?
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>> unfortunately, those are two names that i have to keep to myself for now. but i do wonder if that might change over the future. it does seem that harry and meghan have decided to put that to rest. >> do you think that we'll ever find out who that person or who those people are that allegedly made these comments? >> the only way we would ever find out is if a member of the royal family directly involved chose to say so on the record. we won't have any confirmation or that won't gain any further traction unless that happens. >> reporter: queen elizabeth releasing a statement at the time saying, the issues raised, particularly that of race, are concerning and prince william asserting, we are very much not a racist family. scobey claims that meghan and charles corresponded about the incident and ultimately the sussexes, he writes, skill keep him in the loop, sending new photos of the children. >> we know from sources that charles was horrified that's how meghan felt those conversations were and that he wanted to, sort of as a representative of the
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family, have that conversation with her. >> reporter: it's the latest chapter in an ongoing royal saga. palace intrigue. reports of warring princes and a fractured family. >> i believe this book will burn the bridges for good. >> reporter: on the brothers' alleged rift, scobey doesn't hold back, pointing the finger at prince william, saying he briefed the press about prince harry. >> he's sharing private information about his brother that ended up on the front page of a newspaper not long later. these are things that have caused irreparable damage in the relations between each other. >> reporter: scobey alleging william has become a company man, an heir increasingly comfortable with the palace's dirty tricks and the courtiers who dream them up. >> we've seen the kind of emergence of a man who is much harder, who seems to have embraced and embodied the royal institution. >> think that's a fair assessment of the prince? >> the book is really quite
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unflattering of prince william. it portrays him as being volatile at times. i think we'll see people who feel differently leap to william's defense. him and kate are consistently now very popular members of the royal family with the public. >> reporter: the book claims it was william who spearheaded efforts to deal with his disgraced uncle, prince andrew. >> i was impressed to learn that prince william was the one that really kind of led the charge to stripping prince andrew of his titles and finally taking action over something that had been long ignored or not properly dealt with within the institution. i think that was a genuine moment where we saw william step into heir mode and do what had to be done. >> reporter: still, prince william and prince harry, once very close, now rumored to be estranged. the author says their tension apparent during the queen's funeral when the princes and their wives, formerly nicknamed the fab four, briefly reunited in mourning. >> i was told that silence in the car on the way from the sort
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of quadrangle at windsor castle to the long walk was palpable. you know, it was just extremely uncomfortable and awkward. it was sad, because i think that for the public, the image was, oh, great, the fab four are back together again. the reality is, after they left that walk-about, they didn't talk again. >> reporter: abc news reached out to the sussexes and have yet to receive a response. the late queen was revered by many in the united kingdom. an estimated 250,000 people lining up to pay their respects while her coffin lay in state. scobey argues the new king, charles iii, faces an uphill battle. >> with charles, it's different. we know that even as a prince of wales, in the run-up to thronedom, he never had universal support from the royal institution. >> charles is much less popular than his mother was. polls are showing he's struggling with young people.
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the monarchy is less popular than it has been. so things have shifted. and it would be wrong to suggest they haven't. >> reporter: charles' nearly 15-month-long reign has had its share of uncomfortable moments. [ booing ] from anti-monarchy protests -- >> no more king, no more king! >> reporter: to this incident over a leaky pen. >> oh, god, i hate this. >> do you think it's a fair comparison to his mother, someone who served for 70 years? >> king charles has an impossible act to follow. i do feel the people around him probably will be feeling pretty positive about how things are going, because it is all relative. i think what he's been very keen to do since he came to the throne is emphasize that continuity. >> reporter: abc news reached out to both kensington and buckingham palace for a response. neither wanted to comment. this book is coming at a time when there seems to be so much change going on in the palace, in the monarchy.
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how do you think the palace is viewing "end game"? >> the book goes much, much further back than that and brings up lots of negative narratives over the past few decades. and that's very uncomfortable for the royal family. these are all things they do not want people to be reminded of and people to be talking about. >> reporter: owen scobey's perceived by many as being a part of team sussex. he wrote the flattering biography of the couple, "finding freedom," with input from them. about harry and meghan help you with this book? were they a source? >> yeah, people will ask, were harry and meghan involved in this book? it couldn't be further from the truth, actually. >> reporter: the duke and dutch chis of sussex shockingly quit hare royal duties in 2020 and moved to california. do you think harry and meghan would ever move back to the uk? >> i asked these questions to people around them. will meghan go back to acting? no. will they move back to the uk? no, no never. i think they found their forever
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place. they've built a world they're actually thriving in. >> this summer there were rumors of a potential rift within their marriage. have you found any validity to these rumors? >> from everything i understand, they're absolutely fine. this is a pair who have literally bonded over their trauma and experiences, sort of them being against the world as it's felt to them at times. i don't think that that bond is particularly breakable. >> reporter: and while scobey believes prince harry's marriage is strong, his relationship with his family, he says, is another matter. do you feel as if prince william and prince harry can ever reconcile? >> i think this book has reminded us of just how much hurt and damage was caused around the time when harry and meghan left the royal family and how there is a lot of strength of feeling there. >> the reality is, when you look at the details, when you speak to the people around them, any effort that harry had made to speak with his brother has been
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thwarted. the sources around william say william doesn't trust his brother. he called him a defector at one point. these are really strong feelings. and i don't think that they've gone away or changed. >> juju: our thanks to maggie. when we return, how rapper young thug's racketeering trial could help shape former president trump's legal playbook. iv. i prep without pills. with apretude, a prescription medicine used to reduce the risk of hiv without daily prep pills. with one shot every other month, just 6 times a year. in studies, apretude was proven superior to a daily prep pill in reducing the risk of hiv. you must be hiv negative to receive apretude and get tested before each injection. if you think you were exposed to hiv or have flu-like symptoms, tell your doctor right away. apretude does not prevent other sexually transmitted infections. practice safer sex to reduce your risk. don't take apretude if you're allergic to it or taking certain medicines, as they may interact. tell your doctor if you've had liver problems
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the case has sparked a larger conversation about whether rappers' lyrics should be admissible as criminal evidence. here's abc's ashan singh. >> reporter: the future of one of rap's biggest stars at stake. >> he faces life in prison. >> a judge in the young thug trial has ruled prosecutors can use the rapper's lyrics as evidence. >> reporter: rapper young thug, known for hits like "check." ♪ >> reporter: for cowriting the grammy-winning song "this is america" with childish gambino. ♪ yeah this is america ♪ >> reporter: now far from the recording studio -- >> you're going to hear that this gang stole at least three lives from this community. >> reporter: his trial under way in this georgia courtroom after more than a year of twists and turns. >> he is not sitting there telling people to kill people. he doesn't need their money.
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of dollars. >> ten months to pick a jury because of jury selection, drugs coming in and out of the court, attorneys getting arrested and thrown out of court. every turn in this case was nothing but a roller coaster. >> reporter: young thug, given name jeffrey williams, has been in cobb county jail over 560 days waiting trial on eight charges related to racketeering, gang activity, as well as drug and firearm possession. he's pleaded not guilty to all charges. the case also becoming a symbol for whether rap lyrics should be admissible in court. >> is the use of lyrics as evidence unique to hip-hop? >> yes, absolutely. rap music is the only fictional form, musical or otherwise, that is targeted this way in the courts. >> reporter: the trial being carried out by the same district attorney, fani willis, prosecuting former president trump for violating the same georgia rico act. >> i think especially for donald trump and his attorneys, they're
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watching d.a. willis' attorneys put on this case against young thug. you're basically getting the playbook of how a team is competing that you know you're going to compete against later. >> gang members -- >> reporter: prosecutors painting the grammy winner as the mastermind of a criminal enterprise. ysl, the young slime life gang, notorious in atlanta for violent crime. >> members and associates of ysl, they move like a cat with the defendant, jeffrey williams, at its head. >> reporter: the defense firing back, saying the record label started by young thug, ysl, young stoner life, has a name rooted in fashion. >> tight-fitting pants. women's pants. says "ysl," yves saint laurent, that's where it comes from. >> reporter: painting a sympathetic portrait of the 32-year-old.
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>> it means to jeffrey something very personal. he would be truly humbled under god. that's what thug means. >> reporter: may 2022, young thug along with rapper gunna and 26 others charged in a swing indictment. sergio kitchens, gunna, known for hits like "drip too hard," answered an alfred plea allowing him to maintain his innocence while pleading guilty. >> to say an artist expressing themselves now on rico charges? i've never heard it happen before. that was for real gangs they knew were killing people, extorting people. now we're talking about lyrics. >> reporter: music executive kevin louse was in courts for opening statements. i spent time with him last near when he spoke out in support of young thug and gunna. >> you say lyrics, i say our culture's on trial. slippery slope.
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we will protect black art by any means necessary. i will protect black art like it's my family because it's my family. >> reporter: when attorney fani williams announced charges she cited lyrics as evidence of an alleged conspiracy. >> if you decide to admit your crimes over a beat, i'm going to use it. >> the practice goes back 30 years, but particularly in the last 10 or 15 years, we've seen a significant increase in cases and an increase specifically in these gang-related cases. >> reporter: art nielsen is coauthor of "rap on trial: race, lyrics, and guilt in america." is a potential witness young thug's defense team may call as an expert on the matter. we spoke late last year. >> this is a fictional form you're using and you're attributing song lyrics to somebody's state of mind. >> reporter: in this case, the judge is allowing rap lyrics to be used conditionally. >> the issue with using rap lyrics, the jury may not follow you. but if the jury is connecting all the dots, as the prosecutor wants, rap lyrics or lyrics of
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any kind can be a very strong tool for a prosecutor. >> reporter: one lyric that could be used from his song "anybody" featuring nicki minaj and slaty. ♪ i never killed anybody but i got something to do with that body ♪ >> reporter: young thug's defense attorney saying his lyrics are art, not evidence. >> he's not in a conspiracy. they are lyrics. >> reporter: the potential witnesses to be presented by both sides, over 150 names long. >> killer mike, lil wayne, or the witness list. we might potentially see some pretty big-name celebrities in this case. >> reporter: whether those initially charged with young thug, who has since pleaded guilty, will testify is yet to be determined. >> will they testify and point a finger and say, why are young thug and others participating in that gang? or plead the fifth? >> reporter: young thug isn't the only high-profile defendant in fulton county, georgia, facing racketeering charges. former president donald trump
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and 18 others were charged for allegedly trying to overturn the results of the presidential election in georgia in 2020. trump has pleaded not guilty. >> i think the results of this case may inform the former president as to the strategies and the arguments that are used for admitting evidence. but past that, it's going to be apples and oranges. >> reporter: from behind bars, young thug hasn't stopped making music. this summer, he dropped a new album and his song "parade on cleveland." he directly references his time behind bars. >> hello, this is a prepaid call from -- >> jeffrey. >> an inmate at the cobb county adult detention facility. >> reporter: talks about coming home. ♪ as soon as i get >> reporter: the trial is expected to last months. >> the duality of, who is jeffrey williams? is he the grammy award-winning artist?
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himself in hospice, but adamant he would attend. their daughter, amy, reading a love letter from jimmy to rosalynn back in 1948. >> "my darling, every time i have ever been away from you, i've been thrilled when i returned to discover just how wonderful you are. while i am away, i try to convince myself that you really are not, could not be, as sweet and beautiful as i remember. but when i see you, i fall in love with you all over again. does that seem strange to you? it doesn't to me. good-bye, darling, until tomorrow. jimmy." >> juju: it's quite a love story. that's "nightline." watch full episodes on hulu. see you back here same time tomorrow. thanks for staying up with us. good night, america.
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