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>> announcer: "this week" with george stephanopoulos starts right now. >> jonathan: campaign sprint. >> we're going to have the greatest election victory. >> we have the momentum, and i know exactly what we are up against. >> jonathan: less than three months to election day. republican vice presidential nominee jd vance ramps up attacks on his new opponents. >> kamala harris has bent the knee to the far left of her party. >> jonathan: this morning we go one-on-one. >> the kamala harris campaign has frankly distorted what i said. >> jonathan: how is that distorting? i just read your words. how is that distort whing what said? in a tightening battle for the

white house. are you the front-runners here? and our powerhouse round table. >> with tim walz by my side, let us fight for the promise of our future. >> jonathan: vice president kamala harris debuts her running mate, rallying voters in critical swing state. >> we aren't going back. we aren't going back. >> jonathan: will her bet on minnesota's progressive governor pay off? we'll ask the state senator amy klobuchar. and -- >> i don't think it's a honeymoon phase. i just think people haven't been energized in the democratic party in a long time. >> jonathan: charlamagne tha god on harris, trump, and the brand-new presidential race. >> jonathan: good morning. welcome to "this week." what a difference a few weeks makes. before president biden dropped out of the presidential race, that was three weeks ago today,

democrats were discouraged. republicans were on a roll, and it looked like donald trump was well on his way to winning back the white house. now a new "new york times"/se yen in a poll of the battleground states likely determine who will win. it shows that the kamala harris-tim walz ticket has the momentum leading trump-vance by four points among likely voters in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. that's a dramatic change after what the "times" is calling the worst three weeks of donald trump's 2024 campaign. after a rough start as trump's running mate, jd vance is now leading the republican effort to define the harris-walz ticket and to regain the i caught up with him this weekend at his home state of ohio. we started with the state of the race. thank you for joining us, senator vance. >> thanks for being here. >> jonathan: kamala harris says she's the underdog in this race. are you still the front-runners here? >> i think we're going to have a

very tight election, jon, and we have to sprint to the finish line. we have about 88 days to actually persuade the american people that president trump should be their president and i should be their vice president. you don't take for granted any polls, whether the ones that are good for you or bad for you. you try to persuade people as much as you can and the chips will fall where they are. >> jonathan: trump seems to think he's got if you listen to the press conference, he suggested a landslide looking at polls. do you tell him he needs to temper expectations? >> i think president trump is extremely confident. i'm extremely confident. i think we're going to win. we have to work as hard as possible to persuade americans to vote for us. that's the name of the game, but yeah. do i think president trump is exhale as confident as he pretends to be in public? yes. he actually is, but we still have to work very hard. >> jonathan: so there's been a lot of talk about racism and whatnot. you faced some really nasty stuff. i saw this thing that nick fuentes -- of course, he's an avowed white supremacist. he said, what kind of a man

marries someone named mu sha? this is raisist garbage. >> yes, it is. >> jonathan: this is a guy that dined with donald trump at mar-a-lago during his campaign. >> donald trump doesn't know anything about him, and frankly doesn't care for, but look. my attitude to these people attacking my wife is she's beautiful. she's smart. what kind of man marries usha? a very smart man and lucky man, and if these guys want to attack me or my views, my policy views, my personality, come after me, but don't attack my wife. she's out of your league. >> jonathan: but that dinner that trump had, and of course, it was kanye west, a guy that's praised hitler who arranged it all, that was back a year and a half ago, and trump still hasn't given a full-throated denouncement of this guy who is -- he said that terrible stuff, but he's a white supremacist. >> i think president trump has issued plenty of condemnations on this. >> jonathan: not of fuentes.

he hasn't. >> the one thing i like about donald trump, jon, is he actually will talk to anybody. just because you talk to somebody doesn't mean you endorse their views. donald trump spent a lot of quality time with my wife. every time he sees her, he hugs her, tells her she's beautiful and jokes around with her a little bit. i'm not worried about donald trump. i'm worried about these ridiculous attacks. this is what you sign up for when you get into politics. i wish people would focus it on me. my wife is tough enough to handle it and that's a good thing. >> jonathan: let's focus on something that's gotten a lot of attention. this cat ladies comment. >> sure. >> jonathan: put that aside. you also made a policy proposal -- >> yes. >> jonathan: which is why tucker carlson had you on for that interview and you said, you advocated giving extra votes to people with children, which seems a little -- >> jon, it's not a policy proposal. it's the thought experiment, right? democrats said, we should give children the right to vote. some democrats said we're going

to give children did right to vote. i said, if we're going to give the rights to the children, we should actually just allow the parents to cast those votes. i trust a parent more with a decision than i say a 14-year-old. it's a thought experiment. there are though, policy positions behind my view that the country should become more pro-family, right? one thing i learned as a dad is after a second home -- after our second child we brought home -- we have three little kids. we got these ridiculous surprise medical billings from the hospital because we had chosen an out of network provider of course, at this most supprtress of all moments. i've stopped moms and dads. we want to expand the child tax credit. there's so much we want to do, jon,to make the country more pro-family, and i think it's frankly s frankly shameful that the harris administration has lied about what i said. sometimes family doesn't work out for people and that's okay, but i do think that kamala harris herr herself has

anti-family policies and that's something we should push back against. >> jonathan: i listened to your entire speech. i listened to the whole thing, and, you know, i saw -- and you did say -- you weren't talking about people who physically can't have children. i mean, that's not what you were saying. >> sometimes it just doesn't work out, right? >> jonathan: you did say that. called it throat-clearing, i think. you said, i'm not talking about that, but you did say -- >> people try to misrepresent it. >> jonathan: let's look at what you exactly said. you said when you go to the polls in this unt can as a parent, should have more power. you should have more of an ability to speak your voice in the democratic republic than people that don't have kids. you are directly saying that people with kids should have more of a voice in our democracy. thought experiment or not about how that is done, but that is the principle, and you -- i mean, i could read on, but you are expressing a principle here. >> again, jon, it's a thought experiment. i have been a senator for two years. have i proposed any legislation to the effect of that? of course, not.

sometimes people make remarks in response to something somebody else said. if it was a policy proposal, i would have made it in my years in the senate. it's important to focus on what i actually said. i think becoming a parent affects new a very profound way. i've seen friends of mine, certainly in my own life, becoming a father does really give you this incredible perspective. you have this little life that you have to take care of. it's an amazing thing. >> jonathan: sure. >> it does make you think differently about your responsibilities. so yeah. i absolutely do think that being a parent changes you in a profound way. i do not think that we ought to be changing the way that we do votes in this country. i was responding to a democratic proposal in a very, very thought experiment way. >> jonathan: and you predicted that you would get attacked. >> i did. >> jonathan: you said, i'm sure "the washington post" will come out and say, well, doesn't this mean nonparents don't have as much of a voice as parents? doesn't it mean that parents get a bigger say in how our democracy functions? yes, absolutely. do you regret saying that? do you take that back? >> again, jon, i'm talking about

a thought experiment here, and do i regret saying it? i regret that the media and the kamala harris campaign has frankly distorted what i said. >> jonathan: how is that -- i just read your words. how is that distorting what you said? >> because they have turned this into a policy proposal that i never made, jon. i said i want us to be more pro-family, and i think, look. when you are a parent and you have children, you obviously have a different perspective, and that's -- i said that too. and i certainly believe that, but the idea, jon, that i want to change the american voting system to give 12-year-olds the right to vote and give control over to their parents, it's ridiculous. i never said that. i was responding to a democratic line. >> jonathan: okay. i mean, it was a speech on the -- anyway. the speech is online. people can watch the whole thing. >> please, but in the beginning, jon, i say, democrats have proposed giving these rights to children. i say, if we're going to give them to children, let the parents cast that vote. >> jonathan: i want to ask you about abortion.

there's this proposed amendment that's going to be on the ballot in florida that basically codifies the constitutional right, the state constitutional right to have an abortion up to about 24 weeks. i assume this is something you oppose. >> what i believe, and i'm running to be the vice president of the united states, and that the american people have to make this decision, and president trump has said explicitly they'll make this decision on a state by state level. he won the nomination of our party, and he's determining what the platform is, and he's doing something that's actually very, very important, which is to try to help the country find some common ground. california will have a less restrictive abortion policy than ohio, where we're sitting. ohio will have a less restrictive policy than alabama. people have to make these decisions, and that's the way for us to come together as a country over a very tough issue. >> jonathan: but this should be -- i assume this is an easy one for you. you have been very clear on how you feel about abortion. you compared it to slavery. >> i didn't compare it to sla slav slaveliry, jon. >> jonathan: the impact.

yes. >> ask the question. >> this, the idea of codifying whatever the state -- codifying a right to abortion up to about 24 weeks, isn't that something you oppose? >> look, in ohio we had a referendum in the state, and i -- >> jonathan: you made your position clear. >> i aggressively advocated for the pro-life view because i want to save as many babies as possible. also importantly, jon, the people of ohio decided by about a 60-40 margin to reject the pro-life framing and you have to respect the will of the people. that's all that donald trump has said. that's what i believe, and as someone who really does want to say, jon -- i do want us to become a more pro-family country. i want us to have more babies and more families. i want our neighborhoods to be filled with the laughter of children and thriving families. we in the pro-life community have to figure out how to better make our case to the american people and how to make it easier to have a baby. it's way too expensive. housing is through the roof. medical costs are through the roof. president trump and i have actually advanced a series of policies that would make it easier for us to have families.

i think that's where we're focused on as a presidential ticket. as the president has said on abortion policies specifically, the states are going to make up their minds. >> jonathan: and donald trump will have a chance to vote on that and he said he'll offer his position. didn't offer what it was. would you be disappointed if he supports a constitutional right to abortion? >> i'll let donald trump offer his position and talk about it then. >> jonathan: what would you encourage him do on that? this is a pretty fundamental idea for you. i mean, you have been such a leader in the pro-life movement. >> i would encourage him to do what he's don't e here, and fin common ground and advance the policy so people feel like they have more options. a lot of the reason women choose to terminate a pregnancy is they don't feel like they have any other choice. we want to g options to have that baby, make it easier to raise that baby, and i think donald trump has

shown leadership on that, and not on what states' abortion policy should be. >> jonathan: you've said that donald trump is the greatest president of your lifetime. >> he is. >> jonathan: who in your mind is the greatest vice president of your lifetime? >> that's a good question. i thought much about that. i think george w. bush -- excuse me. george h.w. bush did a great job. you could pick a number of guys who did a fine job, but the president sets the own for policy and i think a lot more about the president than the vice president, and fundamentally my role in the administration is to support him and enacting the agenda. that's what i'll work on. >> jonathan: trump was asked recently very directly, would you be ready to be president on day one? >> sure. >> jonathan: and it was notable that he didn't answer the question. instead what he said is, the vice presidential candidate doesn't matter. i mean, what did you make when you heard him not answer that directly? >> he said that a million times both in private and many public. >> jonathan: are you ready?

>> come on, jon. he's right. most people -- 99% of the country, they don't vote on who the vice presidential nominee -- they're voting for donald trump or kamala harris, not jd or tim walz, but i believe he made it the main focus of his vetting process is, do i think this person can be president on day one if god forbid something happens? yes. he's confident in my abilities and he's right that the politics of this really don't matter that much. >> jonathan: one of the proposals in the platform you've talked about and trump has talked about it is a mass deporta deportation. you said he said he'll start with the easy ones, the criminals, people who commit crimes, deport them, but he said deporting 15 million to 20 million people, how do you actually do that? >> jon, we have to start with the fact that we have a wide-open southern border because our border czar set a lot of open border policies. >> jonathan: you know she wasn't the border czar, wasn't she? >> that was what the media called her. she assumed the title.

she had control over a lot of our border policy at a time -- >> jonathan: what was the root cause of the migration? >> the time there was spending deportations, they stopped donald trump's remain in mexico policy, and they reinstituted catch and release. they basically threw open the gates of our country and we have a ton of fentanyl -- >> >> jonathan: lhow will you get 0 million people out of the country? >> we have to stop the bleeding and reimplement the remain in mexico policy and finish donald trump's border wall and you do that and you stop the bleeding. you're right. once you do that, and you stop kamala harris' open border policies, you have to do something with the people here, and you take a sequential approach to it. >> jonathan: 10 million to 15 million people, this is, like -- >> i think that's the wrong attitude to take of it. >> jonathan: you're going to knock on doors and ask people for their payers? what do you do? >> this is the wrong attitude

towards it, right? there's 20 million people here illegally. you start with what's achievable. you do that, and then you go onto what's achievable from there. if you deport a lot of violent criminals and frankly f yif you make it harder to hire illegal labor, i think you go a lot of the way to solving the illegal immigration problem, but look. president trump is absolutely right. you cannot have a border unless you're willing to deport some people. i think it's interesting that people focus on, well, how do you deport 18 million people? let's start with 1 million. that's where kamala harris has failed and we can go from there. >> jonathan: and finally before you go, will you commit to the a race to sticking to the facts? i heard donald trump give this speech in montana he just gave, and he said that tim walz signed a letter letting the state kidnap children to change their gender, allowing pedophiles to claim, you know, i mean,to be exempt from crimes. this is not true.

it's not remotely true. >> what president trump said, and i haven't watched the who w rally -- >> jonathan: what he said was not true. >> what he said is that tim walz has supported taking children from their parents if the parents don't consent to gender resignment. tim walz gets on his high horse about mind your own damn business. one way is to to not take any children away from me. >> jonathan: he has not signed a law into the state to kidnap children to change their identity. >> i would describe that as kidnapping. >> jonathan: that's crazy. >> come on. you should not to be. >> jonathan: that's not what he proposed. >> if you disagree with positions about -- yes he has, proposed that, jon. he absolutely has. here's the more important thing, jon. why are we talking about inflation? why aren't we talking about the fact that groceries are unaffordable thanks to kamala harris' policies and so is housing? we've talked a little bit about

the border. why aren't we talking about the fact the entire world is on fire because of kamala harris' foreign policy? she's just asleep at the wheel. you talk about sticking to the facts. we're talking about housing and food to bring peace back to the american leadership. that is all that we want to do, and i think it's telling that the harris administration is focused so much on these side issues instead of on the real substance. >> jonathan: we're -- >> americans are unhappy with kamala harris' leadership. >> jonathan: i asked you about donald trump brought up and not something the harris campaign brought up. i'm saying -- thank you. >> we're talking about the harris campaign. what are their policy views? they don't have a policy position on their website. should she sit down and answer tough questions requwith you? >> jonathan: yes, absolutely. we hope she'll be on the show soon. >> i hope so too, jon, because the person who wants to be our president ought to sit down for tough interview. i'm willing to do it and i wish

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debated donald trump. six months later, we talked to him about the state of the race now. how kamala harris can win, and how she could lose. >> i think it was exactly six months ago we sat down, or just about six months ago and you said there was no main character energy with biden. nobody was inspired by the democratic ticket. what about now? >> it's definitely a lot of main character energy on the democratic ticket. i mean, that's always been my frustration, you know, from the beginning, right? because we know who the vice president is. we know who kamala harris is. she has super main character energy. >> jonathan: you said the race was between the crooks, the cowards, and the couch. >> yeah. >> jonathan: the couch meaning apathy was going to -- had the lead. what about now? >> yeah. i think there's less apathy, but, you know, if i'm the democrats, i'm not spiking the football yet. the job is not done, you know? you still have to bring this thing home in november. i think that there's a lot of energy. people keep calling this the honeymoon phase. i don't think it's a honeymoon

phase, but i think people haven't been energized in a long time. if you are a democrat or independent, or an undecided person, you haven't been energized in a long time t. the last time we felt energy was 2008 when barack obama first ran. this was, like, whoa. it's like real energy. you want to be that way. >> jonathan: that crowd we saw in michigan, this was something else. >> look at the new registered voters. when people are registered, people say i want to be part of this process, you have real energy. >> jonathan: she had protesters out in michigan. >> you know what? if you want donald trump to win, then say that. otherwise, i'm speaking. [ cheers and applause ] >> jonathan: what did you make of the way she shut them down? >> i've seen that before. she shut me down like that. we've seen it on tv when i had my talk show on comedy central. she shut me down like that.

>> who is the real president of this country? is it joe manchin or joe biden, madam vice president? >> come on, charlamagne. it's joe biden. no, no, no, no. no. it's joe biden, and don't start talking like a republican about asking whether or not he's president. >> that's how she shuts down behind the scenes as well. if you are having a conversation -- it's not a shutdown. it's a, like, listen. respect me. i'm the most powerful woman in the world. i want you to listen to me. >> jonathan: so you said something when we spoke six months ago. you said biden should not -- don't debate. whatever you do, do not debate donald trump. >> was i right? >> jonathan: you said that trump would make him look old and frail. >> i don't know why people didn't see this coming. that was the other frustrating thing. i'm glad that, you know, they have a lot of energy in the party now, but they could have done this a year ago, and they could have avoided all of the backlash they're receiving now with people saying, oh. there was no primary. the people didn't decide this. this was a coup that the party

threw, that the party did. it's, like, yo. you could have avoided this a year ago because we all saw this way back when. >> jonathan: nobody stood up to run against him. dean phillips, but no main figure on the democratic side even hinted about challenging him. >> they should have been having those back room conversations with him a year ago. actually, they should have been having them four years ago. you're a transitional president. you're here for, you know, a good time, not a long time, and we are going to set up the future of the democratic party. they got a fantastic pitch, whether it's the vice president, you know, who's currently running, whether it's josh shap shapiro, whether it's gretchen whitmer, wes moore, secretary buttigieg. they got a great bench. >> jonathan: what do you think of the pitim walz pick? you didn't mention his name just then. >> i didn't know him. >> jonathan: yeah. >> i just -- >> jonathan: most of moeamerica didn't know him. >> i just found out about him over the last couple of weeks. at first, i was disappointed. we knew she needed a dei hire.

>> jonathan: so tim walz is the dei hire. >> she needed a white male to make america comfortable. it is what it is. no reason for america to act crazy about it. we know what it is. >> jonathan: you've known kamala harris for a while. you know her pretty well. they're trying to portray her as far-left and the squad. >> no. she's very moderate, you know, the thing i like about her and her messaging is very clear even though she doesn't have it up on her website yet. the messaging is clear. she wants to rebuild the middle class. she wants to give everybody an opportunity to start a business. she wants to give everybody an opportunity to be a homeowner, you know. she's a leader on mental health, right? like, when she launched her first mental health plan when she ran for president, i was with her, you know, in south carolina, and those are the things our american people care about. >> jonathan: does she need to show some distance between herself and biden? >> absolutely. >> jonathan: how does she do that? >> by talking about what she's going to do for the next four years. like i know that, you know, they

want to keep her paired to, you know, the successes that they had while she was vice president, and that's cool, you know, to harp on a couple of those because a lot of those things, you know, were her idea like the cap -- the $35 cap on the insulin and things like that. that's good to say, hey. i was the person behind that, but you got the tell people of america what you're going to do for the next four years. the job's not finished. this isn't no slam-dunk victory. there are still people who have to be, you know, incentivized to get up off the couch. votes are earned, not given. >> jonathan: you wrote about her in your book. you said, when i endorsed her in 2020, it was because of my private conversations with her, not because of the persona she presents to the public. the vice president needs to talk to the world the way she talks to me. >> that's right. >> jonathan: so what is that like? what's different? >> i think we've seen it the last couple of weeks. we just -- you just brought up, you know, what she said to the protesters. that's just -- that's the real her, and i think a lot of times, you know, in politics, man,

especially when you are a woman of color, they don't want to be perceived as the angry black woman, but i mean, look. we got a lot to be angry about right now. like, we really do, and i think that people see that and they see passion. that's what it is. so i think over the last, you know, few weeks in the press, we've actually seen the real her, and she does need to do more interviews. i'm not going to -- >> jonathan: she hasn't done an interview yet or a press conference yet. >> yeah. >> jonathan: why is that? i mean, she's new to the job, but it's striking because we haven't seen her answer questions yet. >> i don't know. it's the bottom of the ninth inning, right? i feel like she should be any and everywhere having these conversations. i truly don't know why she hasn't, you know, done any interviews yet because that's the only reason donald trump is still, you know, sucking the air out of the headlines, because he keeps headlines going. like, he's everywhere.

you saw him at the black journalists convention. you saw women had elon musk. he's always calling into conservative talk radio which is one of my biggest issues with the democratic party. they don't use, you know, the -- they don't use the media that supports them the way that the right uses the media that supports them. like, for the last four years, you know, she's had plenty of platforms that she could be going on from radio -- the podca podcasts, right? that actually support her and support democrat, but they haven't been doing that. >> jonathan: what did you make of the way she responded to his comments about her just turning black? >> i don't even think she should have responded. i don't think she should have dignifiied that with a response. >> jonathan: she just said, a version of there he goes again. >> that's true. there he goes being racist again, you know? we've seen this, you know, play from donald trump before. we saw it with the birtherism with president obama. this is the card that he plays and at this point, it's, like,

yo. we don't know that trick already? why is the media being distracted by the things that he's saying? we need to stop making those things headlines and make both these candidates, the vice president and donald trump focus on the issues because people are out here hurting, man. >> jonathan: so bottom line, how does harris win this election and how does she lose it? >> how does harris win this election? she wins it by going out and talking about the issues, you know, don't get distracted by all of the racist insults that are going to come your way, the sexist insults that will come your way. you have to go out there and engague people. you have to go out there and really shake hands and kiss babies. you have to go places that people normally don't go. there's new voters turning 18 every day. you have to find way to go out there and engage them. i think she should use a lot of new media. yes, she should sit with people like you, jon. i think she should go to fox news but she should be going on these podcasts and she should be talking to these tiktokers who are already supporting her, right?

she should be doing things like tha that. engage this new audience because you got all of this energy. she's never been this viral and all over social media in a good way like she is now. now that you got those people's attention, go out there and talk to them and tell them what your future looks like because those kids are the future. that's how you win this election, and how does she -- >> jonathan: how did she lose? >> she loses it because if all of donald trump's cronies around the country refuse to certify the results of the election and she loses it if donald trump, you know, challenges the results of the election in the supreme court which is no longer a legitimate institution. they are completely corrupt. if he chanllenges it and they overturn the results of the election. >> jonathan: he tried everything and he was president of the united states. he had power to try everything, and he failed and the supreme court told him, no way. >> i feel like they're more emboldened now, but what i would say is that, you know, democrats only -- they have the largest

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an interview with president biden where he was asked about his decision to get out of the race, and he said this. he said, "what happened was a number of my democratic colleagues in the house and senate thought i was going to hurt them in the races." well, you're a democrat in the senate. were you worried that if biden stayed in the race he was going to hurt senate candidates? >> i think what president biden did, and he made that decision himself. i haven't heard this interview. i assume he's just explaining what led one of the many reasons he made that decision. he made the honorable decision. he took the honorable path, and for me, i am not looking in the rear-view mirror about who said what and who hurt whose feelings. for me, this is about as kamala harris has said over and over again, this is about moving forward, and not going backwards, and to get a bigger picture view of this, she has ignited the country starting in philadelphia to the heartlands

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america. she put people behind bars. she went after murderers and rapists. so they can try to paint her whatever way they want, but that was her north star for many, many years. she then comes to the senate. we all know what she did there, you know, cross-examin very supreme court justices who donald trump said he was proud to put on the court, and he says he's proudly responsible for overturning roe v. wade. i cannot wait for that debate on abc on september 10th where you're going to have on one side, a prosecutor, and on the other side, someone with over 100 felony indictments and 34 felony convictions. so they can say what they want, but i think the facts are going to speak for themselves, and certainly the way she's generated excitement, because of the fact that she keep hs her hd high, the way charlamagne tha god was just explaining, keeps her head high, and whatever the

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trump had backed out on. he committed, backed down, and now he's back firmly committed at his press conference. to me, that is going to be a premier moment where you're going to see these very different visions for the country and very different people, and the people of this country, if you look at what's happening with the momentum and the polls and what's happening in swing states like wisconsin, with the numbers changing, what's happening in michigan, what's happening in pennsylvania, it is incredible. the people of this country, independents, moderate republicans, as well as of course, democrats, are saying, wait a minute. i don't want to go back to this world of donald trump. i want to move forward and get someone that's going to work on things that matter to me and not just matter to himself. they want to hear proposals for child care and housing and bringing down costs, and they know very well that there's been one team, and that's the biden-harris team that has actually done something on

pharmaceuticals, put in a $35 insulin per month, done something when it comes to bringing down drug costs by passing my bill that allows medicare to negotiate. >> jonathan: let me ask you about tim walz. he has faced harsh criticism from republicans about what he said about his record in the national guard. just friday we heard -- late friday, the harris campaign acknowledged that he misspoke when he said that he had carried weapons of war in war. he didn't serve in war. why did it -- what do you make of that, and why didn't they just come out right away and say that? look, he misspoke. i mean, that story lingered for several days. >> let's talk about tim walz. like many rural kids from small towns, he signed up for the national guard when he was 17 years old, and stayed with it for 24 years. being activated and sent to europe, but also serving at home

with tornadoes and hurricanes and, you know, and forest fires. >> jonathan: it's honorable service. >> you're loved in state. >> jonathan: it's honorable service. >> let me get to your question. i was just going to get there, and he did carry weapons. he did train just hundreds and hundreds of soldiers on how the use those weapons in war, and he made very clear that he himself was not sent into combat. that was a decision of what was going on with his unit, but, in fact, he carried -- he trained, and i would also add he won these sharp shooting contests in congress when he was in cong congress. he is an avid hunter, fisherman. i don't think anyone should question the fact that tim walz owns a gun and knows how to use it. >> jonathan: can you clarify when he made the decision to retire, did he know that his unit was very likely to be sent

to iraq? >> i think he made the decision that he was going to run for congress, and that was his decision. he served four years longer than he would have had to serve to retire in the guard. >> jonathan: but did he know? >> i respect jd vance's four years of service as a marine very much, but i also respect tim walz's service, and whether he -- i don't know all the facts on this, but what i do know is that he made a decision to run for congress and became head of the veterans affairs committee in the house, one of the top ten house members for being bipartisan, works on veterans, wokked on mental health issues for veterans and served our country honorably. he stepped down simply because he made a decision to run. that's why he stepped down, and it is completely acceptable. so thank you. >> jonathan: senator klobuchar, thank you very much for your time this morning. the round table is up next. we are back in a moment. knock, knock. #1 broker here for the #1 hit maker.

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this is a dynamic campaign. she's closed the gap. she's still the underdog, but the momentum right now is clearly on the democratic party's side. >> jonathan: i want to ask you about something "the wall street journal" had to say. "the wall street journal" editorial page, generally a conservative editorial page had this to say about the trump campaign. he seems to think he's still leading the polls against a feeble incumbent. that overconfidence led him to choose mr. vance who hasn't reassured voters on the fence about mr. trump. the former president doesn't seem to realize he's now in a close race that requires discipline and a consistent message to prevail. so are we going to see some discipline and a consistent message out of donald trump? >> any day any day now, it will come. i thought charlamagne tha god kind of summarized this well. donald trump was actually a very good pick for republicans when they were running against joe biden. that main character energy. unfortunately the race has changed dramatically. you need a candidate with message discipline. the fact that both campaigns at

this point picked vice presidents that had really -- they were base picks, that nobody's been going after that independent moderate vote that's actually going to decide states like pennsylvania. it's stunning i think, and yet you have policies emerged. republicans have flipped on abortion. democrats have flipped on crime and immigration, and yet both sides telling their base that if their poenopponents win, the coy will end. this is an existential threat. it's a really odd dynamic that we're seeing emerge. >> jonathan: one thing that struck me, marianne, is a new ad from the harris campaign on the border, portraying her as the one who has the strength to deal with the border. >> yeah, and yesterday when she was in nevada also talkied abou the fact when she was attorney general, she was tough on the border. >> jonathan: a border state. >> yes, of california. she said, i was in those tunnels

trying to figure out the border patrol did sh the same border patrol when she was running this that 2020 primary, she saying, we should defund i.c.e. >> jonathan: is that going to work? this is -- the border's not the shining example of success of the last four years. >> and i mean, here's the thing. i think she is definite flly go to have to answer things she said publicly when she was leaning more left and she was kind of uncomfortable trying to figure out or at least state her positions. we do see a more confident kamala harris really going and saying, this is the position that i am holding now, but again, there's still this flashback to a couple of years ago that she's going to have to answer to. >> and not taking questions yet on any of those. i'm sure she will at some point. >> she's taken questions in gaggles. >> questions on whether she's going to show up to the d or not. when did you change your mind on all your policy positions? >> she's been on a radio show

and talk show and tv show. >> jonathan: we have an extra seat right here, donna. >> they're watching and listening to her. this is a moment and she has to define herself. there's no question she has a record, a record as a united states senator, as attorney general -- >> a very left record. >> no, it's not. it's not always left and we're not going to get boxed in with these labels of right versus left. she has to tell american people this is who she is, and what she envisions for the country. she's not going to get boxed in. what i've loved about the last three weeks -- it's been tough, be you what i've enjoyed about it, i've enjoyed seeing young people say, i'm ready to vote. young people, i'm tuning in. young people, they're going to help determine this race over the next 86 days. >> jonathan: it is interesting she has changed her positions on some very key -- i mean, just take immigration. she was for basically decriminalizing coming into the country undocumented. she was, you know, suggested she

would favor defunding i.c.e. now she's talking like a tough prosecutor. was she positioning herself too far to the left in 2020? is that was what was going to going on? >> she was representing her values of the constituents. she has taken positions to the center on many of these issues whether it's immigration. when you take a look at where she is today on lowering costs for prescription medicine, she hasn't changed. there's a consistentcy in kamal harris' record before people start finger pointing saying this is the left or this. she's clearly in the center with the american people on lowering inflation and getting the job done. >> then she should answer some questions about that. >> she will. she will. >> jonathan: you've talked quite a bit about this choice of tim walz, and what's interesting is he's known as the progressive governor of minnesota, but he was actually a moderate from a conservative district in congress. he's had a similar voyage.

maybe in a different direction. >> similar transition one could say which makes it interesting to figure out who these democratic candidates are, and what policies they want to be. listen. it is very hard to get democrats on the same page on anything, especially when you're debating policy, and you had so many congressional democrats from the far left to the most mot saying he's the guy. we really like what he's done in minnesota as governor. >> jonathan: when i saw that -- the first event in philadelphia where josh shapiro spoke before walz and harris came out, josh shapiro looked like a guy that was running for president. tim walz looked like a guy that was very much the running mate. was that dynamic a key reason why walz was chosen over shapiro? >> yeah. i mean, we reported, and i know all of us have talked about how harris really wanted a loyal partner, someone that she could get along with, but beyond that, everyone also autways talking a

you know, who's going to be the next democratic candidate to. coin the next couple of years? i think there was a little bit of shapiro -- >> jonathan: it was about shapiro. >> of it could have been. she's a good at getting aten attention. walz did pledge her allegiance to harris. >> she needed a robin. >> jonathan: what's coming up at the convention? >> it's going to be a lively convention with all types of talented people, leaders. i can't wait to go. jon, i even bought a new dress. i hope the see you on theedness floor. we can have a dance. >> jonathan: thank you all. we will be right back.

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