always be our calling. so thank you all for listening. may god bless you all and may god protect our troops. i'm looking forward to this deal being fully implemented. and i'm sorry, i'm not going to take any questions now because i'm waiting. there's a whole congregation waiting for me, and i'm sure the remainder of the day i'll have an opportunity to speak with you. thank you very much. >> about the condition of the hostages that were released today. and the others? yes. >> i just got a call saying the three are released into gaza. to the out of the hands of their captors, and they appear to be in good health. but it's early to tell. they're literally being. they may be across the border out of the gaza strip gap into israel. now, i'm not certain. >> thank you, sir, any concerns about hamas regrouping? >> no, we remain in the in the involved in the deal as it moves forward. >> no way out. i would do. thank you sir. >> thank you.

>> president biden speaking from south carolina today on his last full day in office, talking about the accomplishments of this cease fire deal. you heard at the end there were questions about the conditions of the hostages as they were released into israeli custody. and we've actually received an update from the idf that the red cross handed them over to the israelis in good condition. also, president biden saying that today the guns in gaza have gone silent, and he talked about having to work with the trump administration in the final days. of course, this was part of a plan that biden and his administration presented back in may of last year. but they brought in the trump administration knowing that it would require them to help close out the deal and get it over the finish line. but no doubt a major accomplishment for him in his a major accomplishment for him in his last full day in office. let's go to abc's white house correspondent, maryalice parks from the north lawn. maryalice, this is something that president biden has been working on for a very long time. at the very end

there, you heard him say i'm proud of the deal. >> yeah, a major accomplishment. what a way to finish his presidency. of course, he said, this has been one of the toughest negotiations he's ever been involved with. his long, decades long career in foreign policy. he defended his decision to stick it out. of course, he talked about the pressure that he received both at home and abroad, around his support of israel throughout this long war. and he said that sticking with these negotiations helped get it over the finish line. it stuck out to me that he also talked about the aid trucks that he believes right now in these important few moments and hours are crossing into gaza. of course, this has been a major priority for this administration as well, to try to get more humanitarian aid to the people of palestine who have been suffering so much, who have been needing food and medicine. we remember when the united states sent men and women to try to build that pier, to get more aid in putting pressure on israel, to try to get more aid in. so that was a big part of this announcement, too. but then you're right, talking about the

work that he's been doing as well with the incoming trump team. of course, this white house has said that and acknowledged that the bulk of this cease fire deal will have to be implemented by the next administration. they know that it is important that they've been working together. speaking with one voice, you've heard the president say this week and that they've been fully updating the incoming trump team, but no doubt a lot of what is to come. the big questions about how to find a lasting peace, how to move to the next phases of the cease fire deal, still have to be worked out and will still have to be under the incoming trump administration with a lot of difficult questions ahead. >> but still a major sigh of relief across the region. maryalice parks, thank you. i do want to pull up that video once again that we were showing from earlier, if we could, that was inside gaza. just a little context as to what we were seeing here. this was the transfer of those hostages from hamas. you can see, you know, in the uniforms there, passing the hostages off to the red cross and putting them into vans to take them across the border. you can see emotionally charged

moments there. in gaza, there were celebrations in the streets there. we also saw celebrations in the streets across israel. and that's where we find our ian pannell, our chief foreign affairs correspondent, who is there in tel aviv right now. and, ian, describe the emotions that you're hearing from people. >> overwhelming emotions from people here. for three young women, their long nightmare is over. and there's a sense of relief here. this isn't really a celebration. this is the start of a process. and time and again the crowd shout ashaf ashaf! which means bring them all home. i just want to quickly just give you a sense of the scene. everyone here watching live on israeli channel 11, the release process. daniel hagari, the chief spokesman for the israeli defense forces, just confirming they are all in good condition. they are in israeli hands. and right now they're back in israel with. >> all right. ian pannell for us. and once again, as part of this initial phase, three

hostages, three young women have been released. this will continue for another six weeks. and we are expected to hear about more hostages that could be released in the coming days, including americans. stay with abc news live and abcnews.com for continuing coverage. we'll have a full wrap up later this evening on world news tonight. for now, i'm whit johnson in new york. we'll send you back to regular programing. and for some of you that's gma. good day. >> this has been a spe >> jonathan: upholding a ban on its app unless sold by its chinese parent company. elizabeth schulze joins me with the latest on tiktok's fate. let me start with you, elizabeth. tiktok as of last night not available to the vast majority of americans. >> completely shut down. when you log into the tiktok app, you don't see your feed, you can't scroll, you can't post.

instead you see a image that says tiktok is not available right now. that message goes on to say president trump has indicated he'll work with the app on a solution so stay tuned. we also do in the see tiktok in the app stores from apple or google as of today. so keep in mind, tiktok didn't have to shut itself down under this law that is now in effect. it said basically it didn't have enough explicit reassurance by the biden administration, the companies it works with, apple, google, oracle, wouldn't face penalties under this law. the white house called that a stunt, but the bottom line is that right now we have never seen the nationwide shut down of an app like this by federal law affecting about 170 million u.s. users. >> jonathan: let's just pause for a second. 170 million people on tiktok. we're talking about more than half of every man, woman, and child in the united states. >> it's massive and it's not just the users. we're also talking about content creators and small businesses. many of them say that their livelihoods depend on this app, and i've talked to content creators. a lot of them say that the u.s.-based alternatives, instagram reels, youtube shorts, simply are not as lucrative as

tiktok. the reason why, the algorithm. it keeps users hooked on that platform, especially young users. >> jonathan: rachel, you heard the message. donald trump is working on this basically is what tiktok is saying. you spoke to donald trump about this. he wants to keep tiktok alive. >> i spoke to president-elect donald trump on the phone for a wide-ranging interview yesterday, and i asked him yesterday, what exactly his administration could do. what could he do to save tiktok as he said heptss to do. he told me he would like to do a 90-day extension, that he said he would likely do that as they sort of figure this all out. we know that he has been in talks with the ceo of tiktok, that he plans to attend the inauguration. i also just found out that he also plans to attend his rally tonight. >> jonathan: the tiktok ceo is attending trump's rally tonight? >> tonight. >> jonathan: incredible. so can he do this though? i know there's a provision in the law for a -- the president right now, still is joe biden,

to have a 90-day extension, but biden's the president right now. can trump actually do this when he gets sworn in tomorrow? >> and what is interesting here, jon, is because you have some top republicans including allies of the president-elect who say, no, he cannot. i will tell you we just got this statement moments before we came on the air from senator tom cotton who says, now that the law has taken effect, there is no legal basis for any kind of extension of its effective date. so that's pretty clear-cut coming from a top republican in the senate. elizabeth and i were talking about this. there was an opportunity for this 90-day extension, but it had to happen before the law went into effect. there also had to be progress on a sale and i will tell you in my conversation with the president-elect, there was no indication there was any progress on that front. >> jonathan: we've heard nothing. there was an offer out there, talk of a second offer, and no progress towards a sale, which is what this called for. elizabeth schulze, rachel scott, thank you both for joining us.

we turn to the middle east where a ceasefire is moving forward with the expected exchange of hostages and prisoners between israel and hamas. let's go to abc's chief foreign correspondent, ian pannell with the very latest from tel aviv. good morning, ian. >> reporter: good morning, jon. incredible scenes here. this has been grounds zero since october the 7th, 2023, where the family, the friends and supporters and others are on that october 7th day have gathered. they've gathered to pray. they've eaten together. they're come here to watch live what is happening now. we can confirm the israeli defense forces have said that the hostages are now on their way, the first three who are going to be released of 33 in phase one. remember, phase one is a six-week period. so we'll see some more releases probably around this time next week. and the reaction of the crowd

has been fascinating. a huge relief from everyone. people have been crying. people have been clapping, they've been cheering, but i think it's relief, above all. no one could really celebrate after what has happened after so many people have been killed, so many people have been bereaved. it's been 15 months of heartbreak and dashed hopes waiting for this news. other key parts of this deal, of course, are going to be the release of 90 palestinian prisoners and also more palestinian prisoners over the next few days. the influx of much-needed aid into gaza, the rebuilding. people are worried. people don't know that this is going to last. there's a lot of skepticism in phase two and phase three may not happen, but for today, at least, some relief. this is one of the hostages who is now on her way home. romi gonen. it says she's 23 but they've been captive for so long she's actually 24. we spoke to her sister. she spoke about her hopes. this was a day many people

thought wouldn't come. some of the key issues that are going to come before the trump administration are the release of the rest of the hostages. remember, many of them, tragically, have been killed, the release of more palestinian prisoners, but, critically, who governs gaza afterwards. when you look at the pictures that are being broadcast here, it's hamas on the streets. hamas in charge. the israeli government said that can't stand, so who governs gaza after this? jon? >> jonathan: i spoke with outgoing white house deputy national security adviser john finer. so, tell us, it looks like the first release of the hostages is happening, but what are the challenges going forward in terms of getting the other hostages released and, of course, moving beyond that to a lasting solution in gaza? >> jonathan, as you say, and as we just heard reported in the coming hours, maybe even minutes, we expect to see the first three hostages released under the terms of this deal. already the fighting has ceased in gaza, which provides enormous

relief to the people there who have been living in very difficult circumstances now for more than a year, not to mention the just unconscionable circumstances the hostages have found themselves in. we also expect hundreds of trucks of humanitarian assistance to surge into gaza today into gaza today, and over the course of the coming days throughout this phase of the deal. as you say, implementation will be a challenge. there are going to be a number of issues that emerge during the course of trying to get all the different moving pieces that account for implementing this deal lined up. there are going to be political challenges. there are going to be operational challenges, and that's why we have been so closely coordinating with the incoming team because as president biden said the other night, the bulk of implementation will take place on their watch and we have been as transparent as we can as we hand this off. >> jonathan: the incoming trump team is fully committed to seeing this through? >> that is our very strong belief. that's everything that they have said publicly and privately to us, and it's profoundly in the interest of the united states and the people in the region. that's what we expect.

>> jonathan: what do we know about the conditions of the other 30 hostages to be released in this phase? >> we don't have a ton of information about their condition. we believe that the vast majority of those hostages are alive, but there's going to be much more revealed during the course of actual implementation of this deal as hostages are released over the course of the next six weeks. so, you know, more to come. >> jonathan: what do you say to some of the israelis -- we heard ian pannell tell us that most israelis are very happy to see this come to take place, but there is concern by some to see that you have so many of these prisoners, the palestinian prisoners, more than 100 released for just the first three hostages released. what do you say to some who are concerned about who would be released? >> i guess what i would say to this is, is the israeli government made a very difficult decision, but i think had reached the same conclusion that we have reached over a long period of time which is that ultimately, the only way to end this war, bring the hostages

home, secure humanitarian relief for gaza was some sort of exchange along the lines that was negotiated, and i want to say something in particular about president biden here because this deal is really the deal that he laid out back in may. the attention of the world, of the press, of maybe even other governments around the world had moved on to other issues, but president biden literally just about every day would call jake sullivan or me or others on our team and ask for an update on the deal, what he could do to help push things forward. who we could deploy to the region, who he could make calls to. he made dozens of calls to heads of state involved in negotiating this deal to ultimately get it done. it never escaped his attention, and it really was his persistence that ultimately led to the day that we're going to have today, and the opportunity for a better future in the region that this unlocks. >> jonathan: but no doubt, this was a joint effort at the end, a joint effort with the incoming trump team? >> we got significant support from the trump team. we had been, you know, very transparent about that. we've kept them fully up to speed.

they deployed members of their incoming team to the region. the president-elect said helpful things about the need to get this deal done, but ultimately at the end of the day, it was our team that was in the driver's seat for the negotiations directed by president biden with their support. >> jonathan: okay, jon, before you go, i have to ask you about tiktok. the, you know, tiktok asked for the outgoing administration, for the biden administration, to give reassurances that there would be no enforcement of this ban. they say they didn't get a strong enough assurance on that point. could the biden administration in those last hours have done anything to keep tiktok online? >> jonathan, i don't have a lot to say about this, because it doesn't feel completely on the level. our administration was completely clear that there would be no action taken during the course of the last day of this administration, that ultimately the disposition of the situation would fall to the next administration to decide and to execute. tiktok chose to do what it chose to do. there are other conversations

going on that they or the incoming team could speak to, but on our side, i think we were extremely clear there was no need to take this action. they chose to do it, so i think the question should go to them. >> jonathan: jonathan finer in his last hours on the job. i appreciate you joining us. >> thanks very much for having me. i'm joined now by jonathan dekel-chen, the father of sagui dekel-chen, an israeli hostage in gaza since he was taken prisoner by hamas on october 7th during those awful terrorist attacks. sir, thank you for being with us. this has been a long road for you. how are you feeling as you are hearing the news about the first hostages, three women, being released? >> well, i and all of israel, i am sure, will -- excuse me -- be thrilled with the homecoming of these three young women. i think we're all concerned about what condition they're going to be when they are

released. we hope and pray that they're alive. again as your reporter said, we have had absolutely no information about really any of the hostages for months, if not over a year. the red cross was never allowed visits by hamas, the red crescent or any other international organization. there's extreme tension both right now about the condition of the 33 who are supposed to come out in the first phase, and how do we bridge between this first phase that will take six weeks, and the two subsequent phases, and to make sure that they are implemented? that neither side by accident or through intent is able to kind of wiggle out of this? they had to be forced to this agreement. >> jonathan: and your son, sagui, he's 30 -- >> 36. >> jonathan: 36, and when's the last time you had any update whatsoever on his condition? >> the last positive sign of life we got, as many other people got, was december -- early december -- 2023. >> jonathan: over a year ago?

>> yes, sir. and even that is little assurance because many families got proof of life with the return of the first batch of women and children, at that time, who were able to tell us that they had seen -- not just sagui, but many other members of my small kibbutz community. at that time we had 79 hostages. today we have 29 hostages of the 89. so they were able to tell us about a lot of men who remain behind. many of those were subsequently executed by hamas, and so every minute is crucial. >> jonathan: but sagui, we are told, is on the list of the 33. >> yes. he is on the list of the 33, yeah. >> jonathan: he's got three daughters, and the youngest daughter was born after he was taken hostage. so he has never seen his youngest daughter. >> right. his wonderful wife was seven months pregnant, and for nine horrific hours was able to

survive in the safe room of their home in our kibbutz with her two little daughters, and while there was murder all around -- around our community -- they survived, and their youngest was born in mid-december. she only knows her dad as a poster on the wall, and not the man himself. >> jonathan: you're going to be attending the inauguration tomorrow. what's your message to the incoming trump team about the importance of getting this thing followed through on? >> well, first, it's immense gratitude. it is absolutely true. >> jonathan: gratitude? >> gratitude. the biden team absolutely did extraordinary work in getting the super structure of this deal together. however, it took a tweet the subsequent statements from president-elect trump to get this home, and what we ask of president trump and his team is

to keep their finger on this because it is the middle east. it's a volatile place. things change in a moment, and so not just to hostage families, the seven americans and all of the 98, but israel and the region desperately need for the trump administration to show its strength and to see this home. all 98 with a durable ceasefire. >> jonathan: all right. our thank you to you. our firm hopes for your son, sagui, and for the other members of your kibbutz, and every one of those remaining hostages. may they be free soon. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> jonathan: coming up, my conversation with one of the most influential and controversial leaders of the maga movement. hear what steve bannon thinks about those billionaires now rallying around trump when we come back. >> announcer: "this week" is sponsored by pacific life, creating financial security for nearly 160 years.

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mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities. rusted out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation. the crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> jonathan: that was donald trump's inaugural address in 2017, known as the american carnage speech, a dark portrayal of the country and both political parties. steve bannon was trump's chief strategist back then and an architect of that speech. few figures in the maga movement are more controversial or more influential. his war room podcast serves up hard-edged attacks on trump's enemies mixed with calls for revenge and retribution.

bannon spent four months in prison last year for contempt of congress. he refused to testify about his conversations with trump. he still talks with him regularly. in fact, i'm told one of the very first calls that bannon received after he was released from prison, was from donald trump. i sat down with bannon at the capitol hill townhouse where he broadcasts "the war room." we've interviewed him before. this time his tone seemed slightly different, a bit less confrontational, although as you will hear, he did baselessly call mark zuckerberg a criminal. that's the same mark zuckerberg who will be attending the inauguration tomorrow as a guest of donald trump. i interviewed you just hours before you went into prison, and now we're sitting here again together just hours before trump's going to be sworn in. >> if i remember correctly, we talked at least after -- before and afterwards about how we were going to win this, right? >> jonathan: you were quite confident. >> very confident.

>> jonathan: so he's going to go out there. it's the second inaugural. you were an architect of the first inaugural which was american carnage and a condemnation of everybody that was around him on that stage. is he going to do it again? is this an american carnage 2.0? i'm hearing he's not. i'm hearing this is a very different tone. >> it's bring the country together, unify the country. >> jonathan: what does steve bannon think of that? >> i think it's very appropriate. look at the coalition we've put together, what happened on 5 november, right? i realize i'm, you know, always on the attack, but he's president of the united states. he won this victory. he has a big coalition to pull together, and i think he's going to try to unify the country around a course of action we have to take. i think he'll lay out the challenges and he'll lay out the beginning in some sort of 60,000-foot level what his policies and proposals are, but i think it will all be about unifying the country and going forward together. >> jonathan: so does that mean all that talk of retribution is -- never mind? >> president trump has said, and i think in response to you, that his idea of retribution is peace

and prosperity, it's security and a new golden age. >> jonathan: prosecuting his enemies, going after the january 6th committee, going after the prosecutors that went after him, mark milley, that stuff's -- forget about that? >> i didn't say that. i think -- that is different. i don't think that's revenge or retribution at all. i'm a big believer, and i've said this over and over again. i say it on the show every day. we have obligations to this republic that this can never happen again, and i think we got to go back to the beginning. >> jonathan: so what do you make of the fact that sitting there with him, i guess now we're inside, but you're going to see the three richest americans ever? you're going to see elon musk, mark zuckerberg, jeff bezos, prime seats. that doesn't seem like the forgotten men and women that trump talked about last time. are you surprised to see them? >> i am not. they're there as supplicants. they're not there as oligarchs.

remember what oligarchs. jonathan, you know better than anybody because we chronicled this in detail. we had no power. donald trump was out. the political class and the political party and fox news turned against him. we're going to make him a nonperson. >> jonathan: he was banned from their platforms. >> for i think 18 months, but as soon as zuckerberg said, i'm invited and i'm going, the floodgates opened up and they were all there trying to be supplicats, and i think most of our people in our movement as president trump broke the oligarchs. he broke them, and they surrendered. there will be no constraints, no more checkings, and they created the oligarchs. they became oligarchs and flipped on him when they surrendered and now they'll come to trump and say, i view this as september of 1945, missouri, and you have the imperial high command. >> jonathan: the japanese? >> he's like douglas mcarthur. that is an official surrender,

and i think it's powerful. >> jonathan: mark zuckerberg is there. do you believe his conversion? >> absolutely not. i think mark zuckerberg is a criminal, and a properly adjudicated -- >> jonathan: a criminal? >> yes, for 2020, but i want to see that -- i want to see that in a systematic adjudication either in the house or, i think better with a grand jury and a special prosecutor to go through 2020. >> jonathan: you want trump's justice department -- a justice department under trump to prosecute mark zuckerberg? >> i didn't say that. i didn't say that. what i want is the house to do it first, but if they're not prepared to do it, a special counsel set up that looks at the 2020 election and looks at it seriously and adjudicates it. if there's nothing there, there's nothing there. zuckerberg's, you know, road to damascus came a little late. it was after the 5th of november. it's very, you know, now he wants to be a bro.

he kung fu fights, goes to ufc. he cuts his hair differently. that doesn't haggle with me. that guy will flip on donald trump and he'll flip on us in a second when it's convenient for him, he will flip. >> jonathan: there's no evidence that he did anything that affected the outcome of the election. you called elon musk a truly evil person. it's a little harsh. >> it was said in context. let's see what he -- what he did is that he came out and he called american citizens -- he retweeted something called our workers retards, said that we were not up to speed to do it, taking any of these jobs. he said the maga movement was a bunch of racists and should be turfed out of the republican party. elon, because he's tweeting this all the time, he may or may not mean that, but, to me, there has to be an accounting for that. for me, he's done great things. he supported us in 2024, and that was a major reason that president trump won. he supported the ground game. >> jonathan: when you go after elon musk in the way you have, so harshly, do you get blow black from trump? does he reach out to you and

say, knock it off? this is my ally? this guy helped me. >> i never -- i never disclose anything -- a conversation with the president or even with the staff or anything like this, but i would just duly note, i didn't see any leaks in the press about the staff or anybody having problems with it. so i don't have ask them. my permission structure is not to go back and ask people for permission. >> jonathan: if trump told you directly, knock it off, bannon, this is my guy, would you knock it off? >> if president trump has a conversation with me, i'll keep that conversation between president trump and myself. how's that? >> jonathan: donald trump has them as guests down at mar-a-lago. they're at the inauguration. they're in his administration. i mean, i understand -- >> let's be clear about this. trump's not making -- when i say guests, he's not making an outbound call. they're stacked up at mar-a-lago like planes on a friday night over laguardia, all right? trying to get a landing slot to get in there and be a supplicant. >> jonathan: elon is almost

living there. >> jonathan: trump seems to like having him around. >> it would seem that president trump would let you know if he didn't. >> jonathan: so you have, like, the following that is kind of the ground troops of the maga movement. >> some, not all, but we have a -- we have -- because people come us to for the information on the show. this is all a process. >> jonathan: what do they want? >> they want president trump is what they want. and they got him. >> jonathan: what if he fails to deliver? >> he's got going to fail to deliver. is everything going to be perfect as the far-right thinks it? no, it's not. i never pretend it is. i do have a theory based on thomas coons' structure of scientific revolution of paradigm shifts. if you shift the paradigm, they'll debate on your turf, and right now i think if you see -- if you see the -- the hearings of the cabinet officials and see those ideas coming out, america first ideas, right? populist ideas, populist nationalist ideas, we've shifted that paradigm.

>> jonathan: there was no pushback from the old republican party and you would argue not much pushback from the democrats? >> jonathan, i'm shocked. i thought there would be republicans on the panel that were asking hard questions. i thought democrats would be going nuts and really from a policy perspective, i sat there. i think i saw the end of -- the democratic party as it exists and the husk of the republican party as mcconnell and paul ryan hope. >> jonathan: so when trump comes up there and gives the second inaugural, you say it's not going to be american carnage again. >> i think president trump will go through how we got here, where we're going, what his plan is to lead us and to bring us together. he's a unifying figure right now because, think about it. this coalition, and that's why he has a -- he has a difficult job. he has the oligarchs that have surrendered, right? >> jonathan: bezos, zuckerberg, elon musk. >> and the crypto guys. >> jonathan: yeah, yeah, yeah. >> you have all that. you have working class african americans.

you have south texas and the rio grande valley. people prepared not just to stop voting for democrats, but to vote for him. he's got the hard right, and the maga. he has the financiers. he has to hold -- his thing is to hold that coalition together, but if you had to have somebody to do it, he's the guy to do it. that's why he is at the level of washington and lincoln, and this will be known, and when history is written, elon musk, steve bannon, tucker carlson, jonathan karl, we'll all be washed away and forgotten in the footnotes. they'll know two things, and pelosi will be washed away, and schumer. they'll know two things. trump and the maga movement, but this is a change in american politics. it's going to get two versions of populism, a popular nationalism trump has built up, america first, and you'll have populist globalism that looks like the left may try to come together with. >> jonathan: i contacted meta

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an oligarchy's taking shape in america. with extreme wealth, power, and influence that threatens our entire democracy, our basic rights and freedoms, and a fair shot for everyone to get ahead. >> jonathan: that was president biden in his farewell address from the oval office this week warning about the dangers of big tech and its ultra wealthy leaders. democratic senator alex padilla of california joins me now. senator padilla, good morning. thank you for being here. i want to start with the -- one of the big news stories this morning which is tiktok is now dark. 170 million americans can no longer access the app. what do your constituents say about that? >> constituents on both sides of the debate, but, you know, the law has been passed. the supreme court has upheld what's currently happening, and

it's clear it's going to be one of the first items that president trump will have to contend with. so i don't think the final chapter's been written. tiktok had plenty of time to do what the legislation called for and sell the majority interest here so we'll see what happens in the days ahead. >> jonathan: and do you think president trump should do what he has said he would do, which is to save tiktok? >> well, i think first, it's -- they're going to figure out whether to give this sort of 90-day extension. >> jonathan: right. >> to keep conversations and negotiations going. we support the creative community, and social media platforms, but there have to be guardrails to protect against a lot of the harms that are increasingly evident when it comes to not just tiktok, whether it's addiction to social media, the power of misinformation and disinformation that extends so many issue areas.

those are undeniable and have to be addressed, whether tiktok stays or is sold or goes away. >> jonathan: the inauguration is tomorrow. are you going to the inaugural? >> i do plan to be there, of course. >> jonathan: what are your expectations for a second trump term? >> there's sort of a lot of maybe not hoping for the best, but hoping for some good, but preparing for some bad. if the first administration was any indicator. look, there's been a lot of assessment or analyzing of what does this mean for democrats, the outcome of the november elections. i think democrats, and i'm speaking for my colleagues here, stand ready to work with the new administration where we agree. if we want to build on our progress from the last four years, in record job creation, wage increases, record-sustained low unemployment, and historic

investments in our nation's infrastructure from an economic and security standpoint, that's great, but if he wants to start the administration by gutting the social safety nets simply to fund tax breaks for billionaires, that's a nonstarter, so i think the question is really for trump and republicans. how are they going to choose to approach this new term and this new session of congress? >> jonathan: let me ask you about the working with trump part of that. john fetterman, your democratic colleague from pennsylvania, actually went down to mar-a-lago and met with trump, and he said -- he'd actually told me shortly before going down there, that he is rooting for trump to be a successful president saying, if you are rooting against the president, you're rooting against the nation. so are you -- are you rooting for trump to be successful, and have you reached out? would you like to meet with him one-on-one the way senator fetterman did? >> look, if i'm going to root

for any president to be successful, it depends on how we define success. and i just laid out if we're going to continue the progress of the last four years for the sake of our national security, for the sake of our economy and working class families, then absolutely. donald trump or anybody else, but i'm not going to root for president trump's success simply on his terms. i'll give you a classic example. just a couple months ago, despite all the rhetoric on immigration we've heard from him for years and years and years, when he says publicly he's supportive of helping dreamers, hey. i'm all ears. i have to do that. i owe it to dreamers and all of my constituents to see if there's a path forward for young people who came to this country and have established their lives here, are contributing to communities, contributing to our economy, whether it's legalization and a pathway to citizenship for dreamers, for farm workers, or millions of essential workers. that's the goal, and i'll work with whoever i need to, to try to make that happen.

>> jonathan: okay, and before you go, very quickly, we've learned that trump plans to visit california on friday, you know, to survey the damage at the fires. he's had quite a back and forth of insults traded with your governor, with gavin newsom. just very quickly, how important is it for those two to work together to rebuild l.a.? >> look, i look forward to incoming president trump visiting the fire impacted areas and to visit with the fire-impacted families that are struggling right now, and especially to get away from this notion that we're going to attach strings to disaster aid. we have never done that in the country, and we have never done that as a congress, and we shouldn't start now. give communities and families the resources they need to recover, to rebuild, and that's the way -- if you want to unify the country, that's the way you can start. >> jonathan: all right, senator alex padilla of california. thank you for joining us this morning. and you can see at the

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>> jonathan: be sure to tune in tomorrow for full coverage on abc, and let's bring in the round table. we have abc's chief white house correspondent, mary bruce, and the newest member of our abc news white house team, senior political correspondent rachel scott, and politico's senior political columnist, jonathan martin. mary, let me start with you. the inauguration is inside, big change. >> yeah. they're starting from scratch. it's a huge change, and, look, there's no duty that donald trump clearly wanted to have that image of him out on the west front of the capitol taking the oath of office, and now that is all completely changed. the forecast we know is going to be brutal. the president-elect says he's doing this because of the danger. it's certainly though also letting them avoid the potential for smaller crowds because of the cold. it means he'll have less interaction with his -- with his supporters. we know that image of the crowds is important to him, and these things are in the works for years.

they have been putting up the reviewing stands since before the election. >> jonathan: yeah. >> and now they have to redo everything. the guest list of 1,600 has to be scrapped to 600. that is a nightmare for every party planner. >> jonathan: i hate to be the one. >> tech billionaires and everyone is scrambling. i will say this lastly though, the president-elect understands political stage craft better than anyone. whether it's inside or outside, he'll connect with his supporters and have those indelible images. >> jonathan: it would have been something to see mark zuckerberg, jeff bezos, elon musk, tim cook out there in sub-freezing temperatures. >> the full birdie. >> jonathan: that would have been really something. you spoke to trump. what's he going to do right out of the bat? what's he telling you? >> yeah. the president-elect even told me yesterday that he thinks some of those tech ceos are probably happier it's going to be inside and a whole lot warmer. >> jonathan: i guess so. they probably had high-tech gear though. >> that is true. behind closed doors, you had trump advisers tell senate in-house republicans to expect a

slew of executive orders especially on day one. president-elect donald trump has said this on the campaign trail. i asked him what executive actions does he plan to move forward with on day one? he said to expect immigration to be a very big focus. he also said environmental protections that were put in place by president biden including electric vehicle mandates -- he said expect these to rapidly disappear calling them ridiculous. i also asked him about the pardons for the january 6th rioters, something he's vowed to do on the campaign trail. will we see that on day one? he wouldn't commit, but he told me it would happen very shortly. still some questions here though on which rioters he would pardon including those who assaulted police officers that day. >> jonathan: so i got to say, i don't know if you agree with me, jonathan, but when i heard bannon, i thought he was dialing it down a bit. he called zuckerberg a criminal, so he didn't dial it down that much, but we're hearing, and trump told rachel this as well, unifying tone for the inaugural, no american carnage, but this agenda is --

>> the new trump, jon? >> jonathan: this is going to be the agenda that he campaigned on. i mean, you heard rachel mention i mean, pardons for january 6th. >> i don't think trump is capable of any significant change. he is what he is more than any other modern american political figure. i think he's fixed. look, i think he's going to go forward with pardons of a lot of folks who committed crimes on january 6th. i think there's going to be aggressive action on immigration and deportations in ways we haven't really seen in this country. >> jonathan: starting tomorrow probably, right? >> sounds like chicago. i think trump is is going to fulfill a lot of what he campaigned on, but ultimately, jon, you know this. trump cares on how he's perceived and he wants to be liked by everybody, most -- certainly the press, right? so i think that the coverage of him is going to be crucial in the first months. what kind of coverage is he getting? is it positive coverage or not? that's going to shape him more than any other norm, more than congress, more than the courts, more than anything else is the coverage going forward.

>> jonathan: okay. quickly, tiktok. who's going to pay the price for tiktok going dark? this is going to be very unpopular with a lot of americans. >> well, and donald trump certainly is saying that he is going to come up with a plan, right? he mentioned that to you. he's been talking about that. i don't know if he actually can do that, and, you know, this really is big, and it's going to present challenges you were discussing earlier within his own party, and this legislation passed for a reason. you have plenty of republicans who want this ban to hold, and so is it going to set up a conflict between the new president, members of congress, and certainly you have those voices in his ears coming from silicon valley as well. >> jonathan: you have those national security concerns, but you have people who love that app, and are going to be upset that they cannot use it today. >> yeah, absolutely, and not only to mention -- >> jonathan: including rachel scott who has quite a tiktok following. >> and president-elect donald trump feels like he got elected, in part, because of his outreach on some of these social media platforms, reaching out to these younger audiences as well. look, it's one of the first

things he said this morning on truth social, save tiktok. this is going to be his push, but can he get it done? >> it's the first real test between he and professional republicans who are more hawkish on china. this is a stand-in for the intraparty tensions on china broadly. >> jonathan: i want to get to the other guy. joe biden still in office. "new york times" had a couple of stories that i thought were very interesting about biden including this one. i think we have the graphic here of schumer. i'm urging you not to run, how schumer pushed biden to drop out. so i have to say as i read that article, it made me think of something that we, you know, back in july on this network at the republican convention, here's what i reported. i am told that this was a one-on-one meeting, just the senate leader and the president, and that chuck schumer forcefully made the case that it would be better for biden, better for the democratic party, and better for the country if he were to bow out of the race.

okay. now when i reported that, jonathan martin -- >> yes. >> jonathan: -- there was pushback from the democratic leader's office saying it was idle speculation. now it seems they're very eager to embrace what he did. >> that's the difference between an unplanned leak and a planned leak, okay? last year -- last summer, chuck schumer didn't want that leaking out in that fashion. now this is about history and posterity, and chuck schumer wants the textbooks to record that when the moment came in summer of 2024, he too was pushing out joe biden. you and i know it was much more nancy pelosi than it was chuck schumer, but he's playing for history now, chuck is. >> jonathan: you have new reporting. pelosi -- the pelosi-biden tension is not faded away one iota. >> just the opposite. in my column today, joe and jill biden have not reached out to nancy pelosi since she fell in december and broke her hip in europe which is an extraordinary sort of silence

from two people who were known for their personal decency and kindness. this is bigger than politics, and she's been a longtime ally and i spoke with one of pelosi's daughters, alexandra, yesterday who referred to jill biden as lady mcbiden and urged the first lady to put on your big girl pants and start thinking about your husband's legacy. >> jonathan: interesting. and how is that coming? >> i was going to say, legacy is going to be at the front of so many people's minds come tomorrow afternoon as they sit there and watch donald trump be sworn in. joe biden has been out there trying to define his own legacy, but you can't help but remember and think when he dropped out of the race, he was doing it in part to save his legacy, and he would be defined by how he put his party over his personal interests, paving the way for kamala harris to drive his agenda forward, and now it's quite the opposite. now you are seeing so many democrats, and i think a lot of people in the country, and you have to wonder, you know, what joe biden and whether he is thinking this as well, you know, wondering whether his decision to drop out when he did, his decision to run again.

that is going to define his legacy for the role he played in donald trump's return to washington. >> jonathan: and democrats, i'm hearing and i'm sure you are, rachel, especially on the hill, real frustration with biden on the way out. >> oh, absolutely. >> jonathan: i mean anger. >> anger, frustration, i think across the board, and a little bit, i think this has to do with also how vice president kamala harris ran her campaign as well. frustration, fingerpointing. it's a blame game, but look. they are all confronted with the same reality. it is president-direct donald trump who will be there on the inauguration day taking the oath and he was elected by the people of the united states and they are trusting him to carry out his vision for the country. >> it's a great tragedy. >> and joe biden still says he thinks he could have defeated trump. so this is something he's still very much actively wrestling with, whether he likes it or not. he still isn't ready to accept, it seems, the political reality. >> jonathan: thank you all. we will be right back. the poli. >> jonathan: thank you all. we will be right back.

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>> jonathan: thank you for sharing part of your sunday with us, and be sure to tune in monday across abc and abc newslive platforms for full coverage of the second inauguration of donald trump. we'll see you there. have a great day. up next. relief efforts are having a positive impact on southern california wildfire victims, but the worries and the

winds will return tomorrow. >> good morning. a live look outside from emeryville. it's cloudy, it's cold in the 40s and we have a dense fog advisory until noon for the north bay and the south bay. we're going to warm up, but we're also going to see some winds throughout the week ahead. stay tuned for abc music and more. then at 12:15 a.m, five lucky members will play for a chance to win an electric mercedes benz suv. club members start