been saved. >> this week with george stephanopoulos starts right now. >> trump's return. 24 hour until he is sworn in. with republicans preparing for full control of washington, former white house chief strategist steve bannon joins us. >> most people in our movement look at this as president trump broke the oligarchs, he's attacked elon musk, and now he's taking aim at mark zuckerberg. that guy will flip on president trump and he'll flip on us in a second. >> our exclusive interview with the maga movement's enforcer. plus, the clock runs out for tiktok. what will donald trump

do? >> i want to thank president trump for his commitment to work with us, to find a solution that keeps tiktok available. >> democratic senator alex padilla of california, and our roundtable on tiktok's fate and trump's embrace of big tech. and this morning, the long awaited israel-hamas ceasefire begins. hostages and prisoners freed today. >> i can't allow myself to raise expectations until i'm giving keith a hug this morning. >> ian pannell is live from israel. the father of an israeli-american hostage joins us and white house deputy national security advisor jon finer with the latest on the ceasefire deal. >> from abc news. it's this week. here. now, jonathan karl. >> good morning and welcome to this week. we come on the air this morning on the precipice of

an historic moment, one that feels more like the beginning of a new era than a new presidency. whether you are hopeful or whether you are fearful, there is no denying that major changes are coming. donald trump is about to become just the second ex-president to come back into office. the man, who was the 45th president, soon becoming the 47th. he arrived here last night staying at his golf club just outside of washington, where he and soon to be first lady again, melania trump, took in a fireworks show with family and supporters. his incoming white house staff also arrived, armed with dozens of executive orders ready for trump to sign on day one. here is the scene outside of the capitol this morning. it is cold and it is about to get much colder, forcing tomorrow's inaugural ceremonies indoors, something that hasn't happened since. bitter cold temperatures forced ronald reagan's inauguration inside some 40 years ago, a move reagan joked about in his

speech. >> we stand again at the steps of this symbol of our democracy, or we would have been standing at the steps if it hadn't gotten so cold. >> all four living presidents bill clinton, george w bush, barack obama and joe biden say that they will be there with donald trump as he is sworn in inside the capitol rotunda, inside the very building that was attacked by rioters shortly before the last inauguration. trump will also be honored tomorrow by some of the biggest names in business, including the three richest americans elon musk, jeff bezos and mark zuckerberg. their goodwill towards trump is something new. four years ago, many of those now honoring him saw him as a pariah. this morning, you will hear from one who never stopped supporting trump, an architect of his 2016 victory. and today, one of the most influential figures in trump's maga movement, steve bannon. bannon has harsh words for trump's new

found big money friends. he tells me they are coming to washington tomorrow as a form of surrender to donald trump. >> as soon as zuckerberg said, i've been invited, i'm going. the floodgates opened up and they were all there. not trying to be supplicants. so i look at this and i think most people in our movement look at this as president trump broke the oligarchs, he broke them and they surrendered. >> much more on that coming up. but first we go to two major breaking stories this morning involving trump and outgoing president biden in the middle east. a long awaited hostage and prisoner exchange between israel and hamas begins to go into effect. we'll have the very latest on that in a moment. and this morning, a huge story affecting some 170 million americans. the wildly popular social media app tiktok has gone dark. shutting down following a supreme court ruling this week

upholding a ban on the app unless it is sold by its chinese parent company. abc's elizabeth schulze and rachel scott joins me now with the latest on tiktok's fate. let me start with you, elizabeth. so tiktok as of last night, not available to the vast majority of americans, completely shut down in the u.s. >> john. so when you log into the tiktok app, you don't see your feed. you can't scroll, you can't post. instead, what you see is a message that says tiktok is not available right now. that message goes on to say president trump has indicated he'll work with the app on a solution, so stay tuned. we also do not see tiktok in the app stores from apple or google as of today. so keep in mind tiktok didn't have to shut itself down under this law that is now in effect. it said basically it didn't have enough explicit reassurance from the biden administration, the companies it works with, apple, google, oracle wouldn't face penalties under this law. the white house basically called that a stunt. but the bottom line is that right now, we have never seen a nationwide shutdown of a popular social media app like this.

federal law, affecting about 170 million u.s. users. >> and let's just pause for a second. 170 million people on tiktok. we're talking about more than half of every man, woman and child in the united states. >> it's massive. and it's not just the users. we're also talking about content creators and small businesses. many of them say that their livelihoods depend on this app. when i talked to content creators, a lot of them say that the us based alternatives instagram reels, youtube shorts simply are not as lucrative as tiktok. the reason why there is the algorithm it keeps users hooked on the platform for longer, especially those younger users that are so key for brands and advertisers. >> so, rachel, you heard the message. donald trump is working on this. basically what tiktok is saying. you spoke to trump about this. he wants to keep tiktok alive. >> yeah. i spoke to president elect donald trump on the phone for a wide ranging interview yesterday, and i asked him directly what exactly his administration could do, what could he do to save tiktok as he

says that he wants to do? he told me he would like to do a 90 day extension, that he said he would likely do that as they sort of figure this all out. we know that he has been in talks with the ceo of tiktok that he plans to attend the inauguration. i also just found out that he also plans to attend his rally tonight. >> this is the tiktok ceo is attending trump's rally tonight. tonight. incredible. so can he do this though? i know there is a provision in the law for the president right now. still, is joe biden to have a 90 day extension? but biden is the president right now? can trump actually do this when he gets sworn in tomorrow? >> and what is interesting here, john, is because you have some top republicans, including allies of the president elect, who say, no, he cannot. i will tell you, we just got this statement moments before we came on the air from senator tom cotton, who says now that the law has taken effect, there is no legal basis for any kind of extension of its effective date. so that's pretty clear cut coming from a top republican in

the senate. elizabeth and i were talking about this. there was an opportunity for this 90 day extension, but it had to happen before the law went into effect. there also had to be progress on a sale. and i will tell you, in my conversation with the president elect, there was no indication that there was any progress on that front. >> and we've heard nothing. we know there's an offer out there, talk of a second offer, but there's no progress that we can see towards the sale of tiktok, which was what this law called for anyway. elizabeth schulze, rachel scott, thank you both for joining us. we turn now to the middle east, where a ceasefire is moving forward with the exchange of hostages and prisoners between israel and hamas. let's go to abc's chief foreign correspondent, ian pannell, with the very latest from tel aviv. good morning ian. >> yeah. good morning john. incredible scenes here in hostages square in central tel aviv. this in some senses, has been ground zero since the terrible attacks on october the 7th, 2023. it's where the families, the friends, the supporters of the more than 250 people who were kidnaped by hamas and islamic jihad and

others are on that october, the seventh day, have gathered. they've gathered to pray. they've eaten together. they've taken shabbat together. they've come here to watch live what is happening now. and we can confirm the israeli defense forces have said that the hostages are now on their way there. the first three who are going to be released of 33 in phase one. remember, phase one is a six week period. so we'll see some more releases probably around this time next week. and the reaction of the crowd has been fascinating. huge relief from everyone. people have been crying. people have been clapping. they've been cheering. but i think it's relief. above all, no one could really celebrate after what has happened, after so many people have been killed, so many people have been bereaved. it's been 15 months of heartbreak and dashed hopes waiting for this news. other key parts of this deal, of course, are going to be the release of 90 palestinian prisoners and also more palestinian prisoners over the

next few days, the influx of much needed aid into gaza, the rebuilding. people are worried. people don't know that this is going to last. there's a lot of skepticism that phase two and phase 3rd may not happen, but for today, at least some relief. this is one of the hostages who's now on her way home. ramy ghonim, it says she's 23, but they've been held captive for so long, she's actually 24. we spoke to her sister and she talked about her hopes. i think this was a day that many people thought wouldn't come. some of the key issues are going to come before the trump administration. are the release of the rest of the hostages. remember, many of them, tragically, have been killed. the release of more palestinian prisoners. but critically, who governs gaza afterwards? when you look at the pictures that are being broadcast here, it's hamas on the streets. hamas in charge, the israeli government said that can't stand. so who governs gaza after this, john? >> i spoke earlier this morning with outgoing white house deputy national security advisor john

finer. so tell us, it looks like the first release of the hostages is happening, but what are the challenges going forward in terms of getting the other hostages released? and of course, moving beyond that to a lasting solution in gaza? >> well, jonathan, as you say, and as we just heard, reported in the coming hours, maybe even minutes, we expect to see the first three hostages released under the terms of this deal. already the fighting has ceased in gaza, which provides enormous relief to the people there who have been living in very difficult circumstances now for more than a year, not to mention the just unconscionable circumstances the hostages have found themselves in. we also expect hundreds of trucks of humanitarian assistance to surge into gaza today and over the course of the coming days, throughout this phase of the deal, as you say, implementation will be a challenge. there are going to be a number of issues that emerge during the course of trying to get all of the different moving pieces that account for implementing this deal lined up. there are going

to be some political challenges. there are going to be some operational challenges. and that's why we have been so closely coordinating with the incoming team, because, as president biden said the other night, the bulk of implementation is going to take place on their watch. they're fully up to speed. and we have been as as transparent and supportive as we can as we hand this off. >> and the incoming trump team is fully committed to seeing this implementation through, that is our very strong belief. >> that's everything that they have said publicly and privately to us. and it's profoundly in the interest of the united states and the people of the region. so that's what we expect. >> what do we know about the conditions of the other 30 hostages to be released in this phase? >> we don't have a ton of information about their condition. we believe that the vast majority of those hostages are alive, but there is going to be much more revealed during the course of actual implementation of this deal, as hostages are released over the course of the next six weeks. so, you know, more to come. >> what do you say to some of the israelis? and we heard ian pannell tell us that most israelis are very happy to see

this come to take place, but there is concern by some to see that you have so many of these prisoners, the palestinian prisoners, more than 100 released for just the first three hostages released. what do you say to some who are concerned about who would be released? >> i guess what i would say to this is the israeli government made a very difficult decision, but i think had reached the same conclusion that we have reached over a long period of time, which is that ultimately the only way to end this war bring the hostages home. a secure humanitarian relief for gaza was some sort of exchange along the lines that was negotiated. and i want to say something in particular about president biden here, because this deal is really the deal that he laid out back in may, the attention of the world, of the press, of, of maybe even other governments around the world had moved on to other issues. but president biden, literally just about every day, would call jake sullivan or me or others on our team and ask for an update on the deal, what he could do to

help push things forward, who he could deploy to the region, who he could call on the phone, and he made, you know, dozens of calls to heads of state involved in negotiating this deal to ultimately get it done. it never escaped his attention. and it really was his persistence that ultimately led to the day that we're going to have today, and the opportunity for a better future in the region that this unlocks. >> but but no doubt this was a joint effort at the end, a joint effort with the incoming trump team. >> we got significant support from the trump team. we have been very transparent about that. we've kept them fully up to speed. they deployed members of their incoming team to the region, the president said. president elect said helpful things about the need to get this deal done. but ultimately, at the end of the day, it was our team that was in the driver's seat for the negotiations directed by president biden with their support. >> okay, john, before you go, i have to ask you about tiktok. the you know, tiktok asked for the outgoing administration, for the biden administration to give reassurances that there would be no enforcement of this ban. they say they didn't get a strong

enough assurance on that point. could the biden administration, in its last hours, have done anything to keep tiktok online? >> jonathan, i don't have a lot to say about this because frankly, it doesn't feel completely on the level. our administration was completely clear that there would be no action taken during the course of the last day of this administration that ultimately, the disposition of this situation would fall to the next administration to decide and to execute. tiktok chose to do what it chose to do. there are obviously other conversations going on that they or the incoming team could speak to, but on on our side, i think we were extremely clear that there was no need to take this action. they chose to do it. so i think the question should go to them. >> okay. jonathan finer at the white house in his last hours on the job. i really appreciate you joining us. >> thanks very much for having me. >> i'm joined now by jonathan dekel hen. he is the father of saki declan, an israeli and american who has been held hostage in gaza since he was taken prisoner by hamas on october 7th during those awful terrorist attacks. sir. thank

you for being with us. this has been a long road for you. how are you feeling as you are hearing the news about the first hostages? three women being released? >> well, i and all of israel, i am sure, will excuse me. be thrilled with the homecoming of these three young women. i think we're all concerned about what condition they're going to be when they are released, and we hope and pray that they are alive again. as your reporter said, we've had absolutely no information about really any of the hostages for months, if not over a year. the red cross was never allowed visits by hamas, red crescent or any other international organization. so there's extreme tension, both right now about the condition of the 33 who are supposed to come out in the first phase, and how do we bridge between the this first phase that will take six weeks and the two subsequent

phases, and to make sure that they are implemented, that neither side by accident or through intent is able to kind of wiggle out of this, they had to be forced to this agreement. >> and your son, sergei, he's 30, 36, 36. and when's the last time you had any update whatsoever on his condition? >> the last positive sign of life that we got as many other people got was december, early december 2023. so over a year ago. yes, sir. and even that is little assurance because many families got proof of life with the return of the first batch of women and children at that time, who were able to tell us that they had seen not just ziggy, but many other members of my small kibbutz community. at that time. we had 79 hostages. today, kibbutz still has 29 hostages of the 89. so they were able to tell us about a lot of men who remained behind. many of those were subsequently executed by

hamas. and so every minute is crucial. >> but but ziggy, we are told, is on the list of the 33. >> he is on the list of the 33. >> and he and this is he's got three daughters. yes. and the youngest daughter was born after he was taken hostage. so he has never seen his youngest daughter, his wonderful wife was seven months pregnant. >> and for nine horrific hours was able to survive in the safe room of their home on our kibbutz with her two little daughters. and while there was murder all around and around our community, they survived. and their youngest was born in mid-december. she only knows her dad as a poster on the wall and not the man himself. >> you're going to be attending the inauguration tomorrow. what is your message to the incoming trump team about the importance

of getting this thing followed through on? >> well, first, it's immense gratitude, and it is absolutely true gratitude. gratitude. the biden team absolutely did extraordinary work in getting the superstructure of this deal together. however, it took a tweet in subsequent statements from president elect trump to get this home. and what we ask of president trump and his team is to keep their finger on this, because it is the middle east. it's a volatile place. things change in a moment. and so not just the hostage families, the seven americans and all of the 98, but israel in the region desperately need for the trump administration to show its strength and to see this home, all 98 with a durable cease fire. >> all right. our thank you to you our our firm hopes for your

son ziggy, for the other members of your kibbutz and for every single one of those remaining hostages. may they be free soon. thank you very much. thank you. jonathan. declan. coming up, my conversation with one of the most influential and controversial leaders of the maga movement. hear what steve bannon thinks about those billionaires now rallying around trump. when we come back this week is sponsored by pacific life, creating financial life, creating financial security during its first year, a humpback calf and its mother are almost inseparable. she lifts her calf to its first breath of air, and then protects it on their long journey. one of the most important things you can do is help the next generation. protect the ones you love with pacific life's trusted financial solutions. talk to a financial professional about life insurance and retirement income with pacific life. ahh. it's a good day to cough.

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>> jonathan: that was donald trump's inaugural address in 2017, known as the american carnage speech, a dark portrayal of the country and both political parties. steve bannon was trump's chief strategist back then and an architect of that speech. few figures in the maga movement are more controversial or more influential. his war room podcast serves up hard-edged attacks on trump's enemies mixed with calls for revenge and retribution. bannon spent four months in prison last year for contempt of congress. he refused to testify about his conversations with trump. he still talks with him regularly, in fact, i'm told one of the very first calls that bannon received after he was released from prison, was from donald trump. i sat down with bannon at the capitol hill townhouse where he broadcasts "the war room." we've interviewed him before. this time his tone seemed slightly different, a bit less confrontational, although as you

will hear, he did baselessly call mark zuckerberg a criminal. that's the same mark zuckerberg who will be attending the inauguration tomorrow as a guest of donald trump. i interviewed you just hours before you went into prison, and now we're sitting here again together just hours before trump's going to be sworn in. >> if i remember correctly, we talked at least after -- before and afterwards about how we were going to win this, right? >> jonathan: you were quite confident. >> very confident. >> jonathan: so he's going to go out there. it's the second inaugural. you were an architect of the first inaugural which was american carnage and a condemnation of everybody that was around him on that stage. is he going to do it again? is this an american carnage 2.0? i'm hearing he's not. i'm hearing this is a very different tone. >> it's bring the country together, unify the country. >> jonathan: what does steve bannon think of that? >> i think it's very appropriate. look at the coalition we've put together, what happened on 5 november, right? i realize i'm, you know, always

on the attack, but he's president of the united states. he won this victory. he has a big coalition to pull together, and i think he's going to try to unify the country around a course of action we have to take. i think he'll lay out the challenges and he'll lay out the beginning in some sort of 60,000-foot level what his policies and proposals are, but i think it will all be about unifying the country and going forward together. >> jonathan: so does that mean all that talk of retribution is -- never mind? >> president trump has said, and i think in response to you, that his idea of retribution hislden age. >> jonathan: prosecuting his enemies, going after the january 6th committee, going after the prosecutors that went after him, mark milley, that stuff's -- forget about that? >> i didn't say that. i think -- that is different. i don't think that's revenge or retribution at all. i'm a big believer, and i've said this over and over again. i say it on the show every day. we have obligations to this republic that this can never happen again, and i think we got to go back to the beginning.

>> jonathan: so what do you make of the fact that sitting there with him, i guess now we're inside, but you're going to see the three richest americans ever? you're going to see elon musk, mark zuckerberg, jeff bezos, prime seats. that doesn't seem like the forgotten men and women that trump talked about last time. are you surprised to see them? >> i am not. they're there as supplicants. they're not there as oligarchs. jonathan, you know better than anybody because we chronicled this in detail. we had no power. donald trump was out. the political class and the political party and fox news turned against him. we're going to make him a nonperson. >> jonathan: he was banned from their platforms. >> for i think 18 months, but as soon as zuckerberg said, i'm invited and i'm going, the floodgates opened up and they were all there trying to be supplicant, and i think most of our people in our movement as

president trump broke the oligarchs. he broke them, and they s surrend surrendered. there will be no con stranlts, no more checkings, and they created the oligarchs. they became oligarchs and flipped on him when surrendered and now they'll come to trump and say, i view this as sept 1945, missouri, and you have the imperium high kmantd. >> jonathan: the japanese? >> he's like douglas mcarture. that is an official surrender, and i think it's powerful. >> jonathan: mark zuck zuckerbe there. do you believe his conversion? >> absolutely not. i think mark zuckerberg is a criminal, and a proper adjudicated -- >> jonathan: a criminal? >> yes, for 2020, but i want to see that -- i want to see that in a systematic adjudication either in the house or, i think better with a grand jury and a special prosecutor to go through 2020. >> jonathan: you want trump's justice department -- a justice

department under trump to prosecute mark zuckerberg? >> i didn't say that. i didn't say that. what i want is the house to do it first, but if they're not prepared to do it, a special counsel set up that looks at the 2020 election and looks at it seriously and adjudicates it. if there's nothing there, there's nothing there. zuckerberg's, you know, road to damascus came to a little late. it was after the 5th of november. it's very, you know, now he wants to be a bro. he kung fu fights, goes to ufc. he cuts his hair differently. that doesn't haggle with me. that guy will flip on donald trump and he'll flip on us in a second when it's convenient for him. he'll flip. >> jonathan: there's no evidence that he did anything that affected the outcome of the election. you called elon musk a truly evil person. it's a little harsh. >> it was said in context. let's see what he -- what he did is that he came out and he called american citizens -- he retweeted something called our workers retards, said that we were not up to speed to do it,

taking any of cheethese jobs. he said the maga movement was a bunch of racists and should be turfed out of the republican party. he may or may not immediate that, but to me there has to be an accounting for that. for me, he's done great things. he supported us in 2024, and that was a major reason that president trump won. he supported the ground game. >> jonathan: when you go after elon musk in the way you have, so harshly, do you get blow black from trump? does he reach out to you and say, knock it off? this is my ally? >> i never -- i never disclose anything -- a conversation with the president or even with the staff or anything like this, but i would just duly note, i didn't see any leaks in the press about the staff or anybody having problems with it. so i don't have ask them. my permission structure is not to go back and ask people for permission. >> jonathan: if trump told you directly, knock it off, bannon, this is my guy, would you knock it off? >> if president trump has a conversation with me, i'll keep

that conversation between president trump and myself. how's that? >> jonathan: donald trump has them as guests down at mar-a-lago. they're at the inauguration. they're in his administration. i mean, i understand -- >> let's be clear about this. trump's not making -- when i say guests, he's not makiing an outbound call. they're stacked up at mar-a-lago like planes on a friday night over laguardia, all right? trying to get a landing slot to get in there and be a supplicant. >> jonathan: trump seems to like having him around. >> it would seem that president trump would let you know if he didn't. >> jonathan: so you have, like, the following that is kind of the ground troops of the maga movement. >> some, not all, but we have a -- we have -- because people come us to for the information on the show. this is all a process. >> jonathan: what do they want? >> they want president trump is what they want. and they got him. >> jonathan: what if he fails to deliver? >> he's got going to fail to deliver. is everything going to be perfect as the far-right thinks it? no, it's not.

i never pretend it is. i do have a theory based on thomas coons' structure of scientific revolution shift presidents. if you shift the paradigm, they'll debate on your turf, and right now i think if you see -- if you see the -- the hearings of the cabinet officials and see those ideas coming out, america first ideas, right? populist ideas, populist nationalist ideas, we've shifted that paradigm. >> jonathan: there was no pushback from the old republican party and you would argue not much pushback from the democrats? >> jonathan, i'm shocked. i thought there would be republicans on the panel that were asking hard questions. i thought democrats would be going nuts and really from a policy perspective, i sat there. i think i saw the end of -- the democratic party as it exists and the husk of the republican party as mcconnell and paul ryan hope. >> jonathan: so when trump comes thereupon and gives the second inaugural, you say it's not going to be american carnage again. >> i think president trump will go through how we got here,

where we're going, what his plan is to lead us and to bring us together. he's a unifying figure right now because think about it. this coalition, and that's why he has a -- he has a difficult job. he has the oligarchs that have sir surrendered, right? >> jonathan: bezos, zuckerberg, elon musk. >> and the crypto guys. >> jonathan: yeah, yeah, yeah. >> you have all that. you have working class african americans. you have south texas and the rio grande valley. people prepared not just to stop voting for democrats, but to vote for him. he's bot the hgot the hard righ maga. he has the financiers. he has to hold -- his thing is to hold that coalition together, but if you had to have somebody to do it, he's the guy to do it. that's why he is at the level of washington and lincoln, and this will be known, and when history is written, elon musk, steve bannon, tucker carlson, jonathan karl, we'll all be washed away

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democratic senator alex padilla of california joins me now. senator padilla, good morning. thank you for being here. i want to start with the one of the big news stories this morning, which is tiktok, is now dark. up to 170 million americans can no longer access the app. what are your constituents say about that? >> well, constituents on both sides of the debate. but, you know, the law has been passed. supreme court has upheld what's currently happening. and clearly it's going to be one of the first items that president trump will have to contend with. so i don't think the final chapter has been written. tiktok had plenty of time to do what the legislation called for and sell the majority interest here, so we'll see what happens in the days ahead. >> and do you think president trump should do what he has said he would do, which is to save tiktok? >> well, i think first it's they're going to figure out

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there's no duty that donald trump clearly wanted to have that image of him out on the west front of the capitol taking the oath of office, and now that is all completely changed. the forecast we know is going to be brutal. the president-elect says he's doing this because of the danger. it's certainly though also letting them avoid the potential for smaller crowds because of the cold. it means he'll have less interaction with his -- with his supporters. we know that image of the crowds is important to him, and these things are in the works for years. they have been putting up the reviewing stands since before the election. >> jonathan: yeah. >> and now they have to redo everything. the guest list of 1,600 has to be scrapped to 600. that is a nightmare for every party planner. >> jonathan: i hate to be the one. >> tech billionaires and everyone is scrambling. i will say this lastly though, the president-elect understands political stage craft better than anyone. whether it's inside or outside, he'll connect with his supporters and have those indelible images. >> jonathan: it would have been

something to see mark zucke zuckerberg, jeff bezos, elon musk, tim cook out there in sub-freezing temperatures. >> the full birdie. >> jonathan: that would have been really something. you spoke to trump. what's he going to do right out of the bat? what's he telling you? >> yeah. the president-elect even told me yesterday that he thinks some of those tech ceos are probably happier it's going to be inside and a whole lot warmer. >> jonathan: i guess so. they probably had high-tech gear though. >> that is true. behind closed doors, you had trump advisers tell senate in-house republicans to expect a slew of executive orders especially on day one. president-elect donald trump has said this on the campaign trail. i asked him what executive actions does he plan to move forward with on day one? he said to expect immigration to be a very big focus. he also said environmental protections that were put in place by president biden including electric vehicle mandates -- he said expect these to raptdidly disappear calling them ridiculous. i also asked him about the pardons for the january 6th rioters, something he's vowed to didn't campaign trail. will we see that on day one?

he wouldn't commit, but he told me it would happen very shortly. still some questions here though on which rioters he would pardon including those who assaulted police officers that day. >> jonathan: so i got to say, i don't know if you agree with me, jonathan, but when i heard bannon, i thought he was dialing it down a bit. he called zuckerberg a criminal, so he didn't dial it down that much, but we're hearing, and trump told rachel this as well, unifying tone for the inaugural, no american carnage, but this agenda is -- >> the new trump, jon? >> jonathan: this is going to be the agenda that he campaigned on. i mean, you heard rachel mention i mean, pardons for january 6th. >> i don't think trump is capable of any significant change. he is what he is more than any other modern american political figure. i think he's fixed. look. i think he's going to go forward with pardons of a lot of folks who committed crimes on january 6th. i think there's going to be aggressive action on immigration and deportations in ways we haven't really seen in this

country. >> jonathan: starting tomorrow probably, right? >> down in chicago. i think trump is is going to fulfill a lot of what he campaigned on, but ultimately, jon, you know this. trump cares on how he's ts to b liked by everybody, most -- certainly the press, right? so i think that the coverage of him is going to be crucial in the first months. what kind of coverage is he getting? is it positive coverage or not? that's going to shape him more than any other norm, more than congress, more than the courts, more than anything else is the coverage going forward. >> jonathan: okay. quickly, tiktok. who's going to pay the price for tiktok going dark? this is going to be very unpopular with a lot of americans. >> well, and donald trump certainly is saying that he is going to come up with a plan, right? he mentioned that to you. he's been talking about that. i don't know if he actually can do that, and, you know, this really is big, and it's going to present challenges you were discussing earlier within his own party, and this legislation passed for a reason. you have plenty of republicans who want this ban to hold, and so is it going to set up a

conflict between the new president, members of congress, and certainly you have those voices in his ears coming from silicon valley as well. >> jonathan: you have those national security concerns, but you have people who love that app, and are going to be upset that they cannot use it today. >> yeah, absolutely, and not only to mention -- >> jonathan: including rachel scott who has quite a tuck tok following. >> and president-elect donald trump feels like he got elected, in part, because of his outreach on some of these social media platfo platforms, reaching out to these younger audiences as well. look. it's one of the first things he said this morning on truth social. save tiktok. this is going to be his push, but can he get it done? >> it's the first real test between he and professional republicans who are more hawkish on china. this is a stand-in for the intraparty tensions on china broadly. >> jonathan: i want to get to the other guy. joe biden still in office. "new york times" had a couple of stories that i thought were very interesting about biden including this one. i think we have the graphic here of schumer. i'm urging you not to run, how

schumer pushed biden to drop out. so i have to say as i read that article, it made me think of something that we, you know, back in july on this network at the republican convention, here's what i reported. i am told that this was a one-on-one meeting, just the senate leader and the president, and that chuck schumer forcefully made the case that it would be better for biden, better for the democratic party, and better for the country if he were to bow out of the race. okay. now when i reported that, jonathan martin -- >> yes. >> jonathan: there was pushback from the democratic leader's office saying it was idle speculation. now it seems they're very eager to embrace what he did. >> that's the difference between an unplanned leak and a planned leak, okay? last year -- last summer, chuck schumer didn't want that leaking out in that fashion. now this is about history and posterity, and chuck schumer wants the textbooks to record that when the moment came in

summer of 2024, he too was pushing out joe biden. you and i know it was much more nancy pelosi than it was chuck schumer, but he's playing for history now, chuck is. >> jonathan: you have new reporting. pelosi -- the pelosi-biden tension is not faded away one column today. joe and jill biden have not reached out to nancy pelosi since she fell in december and broke her hip in europe which is an extraordinary sort of silence from two people who were knor t kindness. this is bigger than politics, and she's been a longtime ally and i spoke with one of pelosi's daughters, alexandra yesterday who referred to jill biden as lady mcbiden and urged the first lady to put on your big girl pants and start thinking about your husband's legacy. >> jonathan: interesting. and how is that coming? >> i was going to say, legacy is going to be at the front of so many people's minds come tomorrow afternoon as they sit there and watch donald trump be

sworn in. joe biden has been out there trying to define his own legacy, but you can't help but remember and think when he dropped out of the race, he was doing it in part to save his legacy, and he would be defined about how he put his party over his personal interests, paving the way for kamala harris to drive his agenda forward, and now it's quite the opposite. now you are seeing so many democrats, and i think a lot of people in the country, and you have to wonder, you know, what joe biden and whether he is thinking this as well, you know, wondering whether his decision to drop out when he did, his decision to run again. that is going to define his legacy for the role he played in donald trump's return to washington. >> jonathan: and democrats, i'm hearing and i'm sure you are, rachel, especially on the hill, real frustration with biden on the way out. >> oh, absolutely. >> jonathan: i mean anger. >> anger, frustration, i think across the board, and a little bit, i think this has to do with also how vice president kamala harris ran her campaign as well. frustration, fingerpointing. it's a blame game, but look.

they are all con frfronted withe same reality. it is president-direct donald trump who will be there on the inauguration day taking the oath and he was elected by the people of the united states and they are trusting him to carry out his vision for the country. >> it's a great tragedy. >> and joe biden still says he thinks he could have defeated trump. so this is something he's still very much actively wrestling with, whether he likes it or not. he still isn't ready to accept, it seems, the political reality. >> jonathan: thank you all. we will be right back. historic. taking the oath of office for the second time. inauguration day america turns first to abc news. the day starts with a special good morning america. then live all across the day. david muir right there as history is made tomorrow all day live on abc and streaming nonstop on abc news live. abc news inauguration day. now you can

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