to george at the governor's ball, having all those desserts. george, save me one. >> well, no, i'm just watching other people eat the desserts. they're flying off the trays. as soon as the waiters walk by, we are having an earthquake right now. if you're in los angeles, maybe you can feel it. that's what is happening in la, in hollywood on oscar night. we didn't feel it too much here at the governor's ball. but that is going to be a story as we don't know yet how how long it is, how high it is. oh, it looks like in glendale our control room is rattling. we can see the oscar sign above us going a little bit up and down and up and down. so definitely there is just been an earthquake here in los angeles. we'll get specifics and if we can, before we go off the air, we will tell you about it. in the meantime, we will keep this show on the road. and i've been standing for the bulk of 12

hours. i think i'll need some knee braces. and they are the latest fashion accessory, aren't they? michelle fisher. aren't they? roshumba. >> all right, george. well. >> what you. >> felt there in hollywood is certainly what we felt here in the studio. it kind of caught us by surprise as we were listening to you wrap up that earthquake that was felt right here. the lights in the studio rattling back and forth. we grabbed hands and we were out here. our hearts are still beating pretty fast. you know, so many people out tonight celebrating the oscars. the last thing that's on their mind is probably an earthquake. so we'll get more information in terms of the magnitude of that. but certainly let's talk about the stars and how fabulous they look tonight on the oscars red carpet. it is time for drumroll please, the best dressed as they say, the show must go on. and this is my favorite part of the night. now, when halle berry stepped on to the oscars red carpet in this dynamic, broken glass, custom christian siriano gown with sheer crystalized side

panels and 1960s box cut jaws dropped. and that's when i said, this is my best dressed lady for the night. and my best dressed guy is andrew garfield. now, he served us leading man chic, rocking this monochromatic gucci suit in david yurman jewelry. what about you, michelle? he looks great. and my best dressed is selena gomez. from the hair to the jewels, she strutted down the red carpet in a custom ralph lauren gown. it's a nod to a similar dress worn by icon sophia loren. selena gomez looking beautiful with one final old hollywood look to wrap up a phenomenal award season.

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>> welcome back. we wanted to update you on the earthquake. just felt in the los angeles area, it registered as a 3.99. so that's relatively small in the world of earthquakes. but we still wanted you to know it was centered or it right in north hollywood area. so not that far from here, not that far from our television station in glendale. so a 3.9 earthquake rocked this area on oscar night. also on this oscar night. well, joelle gargiulo is rocking the vanity fair party. joelle, give us your last thoughts here tonight. >> i mean, my last thoughts. we have got bowen yang to my right. everybody on earth to my left. you know what? this is so nice to end this award season here because george, as you know, this whole season, i mean, it's been such a race and tonight really feels like a celebration. i'm getting to eavesdrop on

friends, seeing friends catching up with one another. they're all rushing in here. they want to get their picture. let me tell you, they know that vanity fair carpet picture. they want that. they're so excited to go in and just celebrate one another. not just the winners, the industry and one another. i hear someone screaming behind me, who is that? i mean, i mean, everywhere you look, george. i will say though, i am going to miss this because i've had i've had such a fun time hanging out with you as well. george the guru, the entertainment guru. it's been a it's been an absolute blast. and i personally couldn't think of a better way to end this award season than right here at the vanity fair party. i'll send it back to you, george. >> okay. well, thank you very much, joel, and happy birthday. we should say thank you. and our thanks to tony cabrera and his team at the elton john party. there's something that wolfgang puck used to tell me years ago, and he's kept this tradition at the oscars alive every year. he would say to me as i covered the

governor's ball preview, everyone here goes home with an oscar. and here's that oscar, one of his gold dusted chocolate oscars. it is an oscar tradition that people love. we love it, too. and we love that you've joined us for on the red carpet after the awards tonight, and we'll see you again coming soon. the awards season is always around the corner in hollywood. good night everyone.

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it's very hard to believe that it has been 20 years. day one. so exciting. luke: what are your thoughts, carrie? uh... are you nervous? yes. you are? yes. i don't know why i'm nervous. i'm not auditioning. [ laughs ] lionel: all right. are you ready? all right. i'm ready. oh, hold on. i'm kind of nervous now, carrie. all right! carrie got me nervous. i'm sorry! lights! camera! action! "idol" season 23, lift off. ♪ you and i stargazing ♪ it's just surreal. do i look all right? carrie underwood. [ laughing nervously ] okay. she's not new to the set, everybody. started as a contestant, and now the judge. not only will you win this show, you will sell more records than any other "idol" winner. [ cheers and applause ] please. please. thank you. oh, so last night, carrie was telling us

that they just got handed like a... yellow piece of paper. [ laughs ] thank you so much. this is a massive -- yeah, this is upgrade. these are like... whoa! these are thick. nice to meet you. how's it going? good, sonny. good, good. where do you come from? so i've come from the north of england. okay. so i've got a bit of an accent, you know. is it quite proper in the north of england? it's not. it's more -- no? it's a bit rough and ready, you know? it's rough and ready. all right, well, then we'll be right at home here. ♪ right there all along ♪ sonny: i think every artist's dream is to break it in america. and this feels like the pinnacle. how does it look from this angle? i mean, wow. this must be surreal. yes, it is. sonny: this show can really change your life, you know? so i hope it does for me. here we go. welcome aboard, carrie. thank you. ♪ take my heart, don't break it ♪ hello. hello. hello. how are you? how's it going, guys? you all right? yeah. great. okay. it's so exciting to be here. put another shrimp on the barbie. no, no. it's newca-- i'm from the uk. oh, sorry. way off!

[ laughing ] the shrimp on the barbie. that's my man right there. ah. this is carrie's first -- you're her first contestant. this is so surreal, man. i can't believe -- sorry. so tell us who you are, where you're from. well, we know where you're from now. yeah. so my name is sonny tennet. i'm 25. i'm from south shields, northern uk. i'm a singer/songwriter. i always have been. so your influences are... well, i mean, lionel, you're a big influence on it, i know. ah. there you go. yeah. i just love the soulful. i love r&b these days, as well. i'm dying to hear what you're going to sing with that accent, as well. yeah, well, lionel, it's actually one of yours, commodores, "easy." oh, my god. really? so, no pressure. no pressure. no pressure. i hope you enjoy. let's hear it. ♪ know it sounds funny, but i just can't stand the pain ♪ whoo! ♪ whoa ♪ ♪ girl, i'm leaving you tomorrow ♪ ♪ yeah, yeah ♪ ♪ it seems to me, girl, you know i've done all i can ♪

♪ whoa, ah ♪ ♪ yeah, i begged, stole, and i borrowed ♪ ♪ oh, no ♪ ♪ that's why i'm easy ♪ ♪ no ♪ ♪ i'm easy like sunday morning, no, ah ♪ ♪ that's why i'm easy ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ wow. ♪ i'm easy like sunday morning ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ mm. ♪ i'm easy like sunday morning ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ oh, man. this is crazy. oh! oh, man. no, i'm going to tell you something. when you're standing in front of the artist and you're going to sing our song, the only thing we pray for is that,

please, god, make it your song. yeah. you made my song your song. lionel, that means the world, honestly. i'm shaking a bit -- like, i'm sorry. it was beautifully done. thank you so much. carrie, what do you think about this wonderful gentleman right here? i mean, i felt my heart aflutter. yeah. you looked joyous when you were playing and singing. and we felt that. and perfect song choice. thank you so much. my heart fluttered, too. [ laughter ] man, i mean, really great stylistically. mm. your own. standing in front of the guy that wrote it and making a timeless song and you singing in a timeless way. great job. thank you so much. honestly. who did you bring with you? i've got my girlfriend outside, and i'm so in love with her. want to bring her in? yeah. bring her in? bring her in. i need, like, closed caption for him like i do on "peaky blinders." he probably needs closed caption for you, too, luke. [ laughs ] this is louisa hughes. oh, great. welcome. louisa: nice to meet you guys.

how are you? fine. i think it's just time for voting. i mean, it's just clear. luke? i'm a whole lot of yeses. great job. come on. carrie. i mean, well, yeah. yes. thank you so much. absolutely. well, you've really outdone yourself here today. it's a yes for me. and more importantly... together: you're going to hollywood. yeah! yeah! gosh, great job. congratulations. appreciate it. thank you. ♪ 55 years down the road ♪ ♪ oh, i know... ♪ it means so much. i've been doing music since i was, like, ten years old. and this could be, like, the start of something really big, so i'm so excited. whoo whoo whoo hoo hoo hoo! what a way to kick things off. i know. all right. put a star next to this guy. are they all going to be like this? they all don't do that, carrie. no? they don't. get ready. i'm like, is this the job? is this it? ♪ 55 years down the road ♪ join the more than 7 million adults, like michael, who have taken ozempic®.

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man: say "american idol." it feels so good to get back to "idol." you are tremendous. being a part of something so extraordinary just feels right. where have you been all of our lives? hallelujah. it's like coming home. so you're 21, from what part of oklahoma? checotah. okay. don't let me down.

say what? that's what you're gonna say 'fore i sing? i'm sorry! no pressure. [ vocalizing ] whoo! that's what we call a possession. i know. i'm like, how am i standing? we've entered a whole new era on "idol." born to sing. yeah. you don't need to be no doctor. [ laughter ] tell mama she was wrong. no, don't say that. and the talent is unrivaled. what are you gonna sing for us? this is a hood anthem, carrie. a hood anthem. yes, honey, it is. and it's "before he cheats." okay. wow! yay! [ vocalizing ] you're so scary. i'm scary. scary carrie. [ growling ] we are learning about our judge. aah! aah! no! i have been around so much clogging. i can clog a toilet. no, no, no, no. no! at the end of the day, this is really about their journey.

♪ for a second, i swear you're standing right here ♪ carrie: every single person that hears that can fill in that memory with somebody that's in themselves. you did it perfectly. thank you so much. i think about your background, your struggles growing up. you're a special person. i'm just a stay-at-home mom. never say, "i'm just a stay-at-home mom." because you are up here to sing your way into a new life for you and your family. i'm so proud of you. us against the world. lionel: you got our attention. the world is waiting on you. so much yes-ness. one of the best i've heard ever. my friend... together: you're going to hollywood. [ cheering ] oh! oh, my god. carrie: 20 years ago, "idol" changed my life. and now i have the privilege of helping a new generation of artists change theirs.

♪♪ you're gonna do great. good luck. i'm so proud of you. thunderstorm? thunderstorm. ♪♪ well, hi. well, hi. how y'all doing? we're great. awesome, man. what is your name? my name is thunderstorm artis. thunderstorm artis. thunderstorm artis. is that your god-given name? it's the name my mama gave me. that's on the birth certificate? on the birth certificate, passport, driver's license. no! what was the reasoning? my parents thought they were gonna have twins. they wanted to name one thunder, one storm, but they said that was a fat baby, so they guessed god put them both in one, so... well, how old are you? i'm 28 years old. where are you from? thunderstorm: i was born and raised in hawaii, but i live out here in nashville, tennessee. oh! nashville? okay. so, i've got my wife here and my two little kids, and it's been a blessing just to write music and kind of live in music city. wow, okay. all right. what are you gonna sing? this song is called "don't let me let you go." it's an original song of mine that i wrote. it's about mine and my wife's journey and just about the hardship of relationship, as well.

especially in the times where it feels like you might be pulling away at times. and it's important for the other person to be that anchor for you. and so this song is a little bit about how she's my anchor and holding me down in the times when i'm weak. music is like, you know, not the easiest, i guess, road that people take. but he's been working at this his whole life, and... yeah, i'm just so proud of him. [ laughs ] ♪♪ ♪ spent every night out of my mind ♪ ♪ wondering why we went wrong ♪ ♪ walking the line right on the edge ♪ ♪ one step away from too far gone ♪ ♪ i don't know what we're fighting for ♪ uh. mm. ♪ i don't want to lose you to find me ♪ ♪ and i know you're tired of fighting ♪ ♪ i wish that my words said enough ♪ ♪ but they don't ♪

♪ so don't let me let you go ♪ [ chuckles ] ♪ all these shots in the dark, you're breaking my heart ♪ ♪ i see him sigh way too much ♪ ♪ push and i pull, playing the fool ♪ ♪ scared that we're both losing touch ♪ ♪ i don't know what we're waiting for ♪ ♪♪ ♪ i don't want to lose you to find me ♪ ♪ i know you're tired of fighting ♪ ♪ i wish that my words said enough, but they don't ♪ ♪ so don't let me let you go ♪ ♪ this is a love that's worth saving ♪ ♪ my flag is open, it's waving ♪ ♪ i'm so foolish, i know ♪ ♪ so don't let me let you go ♪ oh.

oh, man. thank you guys, man. thank you. hallelujah! hallelujah! wow. yes. thank you. "i don't want to lose you to find me." wow. ah, ah. great, great, great, great, great, great, great. that's a great line. thank you. your voice -- i'm just going to kick us off. normally, i pass the ball over to someone else to go first. hold up. i want to go first. no! no, i want to go first. let me go first. your voice, it's got a soulful thing. it's got a really sweet thing. you've got that growl at the top. like, you took all the genres and you just rolled them up into a ball and then just threw that ball at us. that's what you did. that means so much coming from you, carrie. it's so good. the song was good. it was beautiful. it's relatable. we've all been there. i've been married 14 years. wow. "don't let me let you go." like, it's, ohh, beautiful. thank you. thank you. well done. thank you. thank you. clarity. whoo! there is a point in this competition where we're looking for people who stand out. yeah. young man, you jumped all the way out.

thank you. that means so much. ♪ thunder, da na na na ♪ imagine dragons? [ laughter ] but, yeah. great job, man. thanks for trusting the "american idol" family with your talents. oh, man. carrie: yeah. i'm honored you guys would have me, man. thank you so much. please, man. i think we can go ahead and tell the man all he needs to know. together: you're going to hollywood. congratulations. thank you guys so much. the weather in la typically is pretty good, but there's a thunderstorm a-coming. thunderstorm, hey! hey! [ children screaming ] man, i am feeling so just full of gratitude and just thankfulness and love, man. like the love my family has given me. but, also, it was amazing to hear their reaction to my song. i'm feeling crazed. i'm excited. now, who are these people? yes. oh, man. this is my family. these are my friends. this is my beautiful wife. to my family, i want to say, dream big, take chances.

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i think i screamed. [ screams ] ♪ so nice, so nice ♪ ♪ i got you ♪ we know where we're going. ay-yi-yi. enough with the shenanigans. amanda: today i'm going to be singing "it's a man's world" by james brown. i've sang it in a few auditions, some that went well, some that didn't go well. so we're going to see today if my performance convinces them that i'm worthy of a golden ticket. oh, oh, oh. oh, hey. oh, hey. ah! so, so sorry. you can't just walk in on us like that. sneaky. you came in like -- i floated in. levitated. floated in. tell us who you are. where are you from? my name is amanda barise. i'm literally from down the street. sweet. just like, "i walked here." i live in chelsea, so it wasn't really far for me to get here today. it wasn't a trek at all, huh? no, not at all. all right. give it to us. ♪♪

♪ this is a man's world ♪ ♪ mm ♪ ♪ this is a man's world ♪ ♪ but it wouldn't be nothing ♪ ♪ nothing ♪ ♪ without a woman or a girl ♪ whoa. ooh, whoa. ♪ and this is a man's ♪ ♪ man's, man's world ♪ ♪ but it will mean nothing ♪ ♪ without a woman or a girl ♪ talk to me. ♪ this is a man's ♪ ♪ man's ♪ ♪ man's world ♪

♪ but it would mean ♪ ♪ nothing ♪ ♪ without a woman or a girl ♪ ♪ oh, whoa ♪ oh, my gosh. ♪ mm ♪ [ laughter ] okay. whoo! it's so fun watching her watch this. right, right, right. that's what we call a possession. i know, i'm like, how am i standing? you understand? remember we told you -- how'd i get out of my seat? what happened? yeah. no, no. i mean, every once in a while, a possession comes along. where did that come from? that was absolutely amazing.

thank you. i don't even know what to say to you. that was -- that was really great. your pocket, like, just laying in it. nothing was rushed. whoa. every line you delivered just took us on its own little journey. that was... thank you. ...perfection. thank you. wow. that's very nice. thank you. mm. it was like you were shooting me with a paintball gun. i was like, ooh, ah-ooh, ow, ohh, oh, my god, oh. one of the best i've heard ever. so it's a yes for me. oh, wow. yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. it's a yes for me, too. together: you're going to hollywood. thank you. thank you so much. guaranteed. out of here. do the honors. oh, thank you so much. wait. hold it. i just want to get that... just hoping something rubs off on us. i know. scoot, scoot. come around. come around. here? now, right. all right, now, you all. i want to pose right in that camera. wow. to make sure we found you. ♪ i see visions in my mind so close that i can feel ♪

♪ them come alive ♪ that's the picture. yeah, rub your hands together. then drop a little of that on my hand. there we go. thank you. there we go. thank you. give me some. give me some. there you go. thank you. am i better? now i'll swap this for that, all right? yes, sir. okay. thank you so much. oh, my god. thank you. whoo! there's the golden ticket. thank you! whoo. wow. that was -- that was special, guys. never seen one do all of that. yeah, no. wow! lionel: you brought the song. you brought the attitude. you've got the goods. carrie: you're what this show is for. everything about you just feels right. woman: to know that my son is watching his mom go chase after her dreams. i just hope one day that he'll do the same thing. you okay over there? no. i'm not. you took that song and you made it your own. you just stick to walking on stage and singing with your heart, and the rest will take care of itself.

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we break it down this morning. and so cal strong. >> this year has tested your resilience. >> all of our resilience. >> george: ahead of the awards, rising from the ashes of the l.a. wildfires and how the hollywood community is coming together. good morning, and welcome to "this week." a week that may have revealed a radical reset of america's place in the world. it began at the united nations monday where the u.s. sided with russia and north korea against ukraine and our allies on a resolution marking the third anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine. it reached a boiling point in the oval office friday when president trump berated president zelenskyy and expressed solidarity with president putin. the big questions now, can the u.s. and ukraine find common cause again? what will it mean for the western alliance? why is the president siding with

putin? secretary of state rubio will join us for an exclusive interview. chief white house correspondent mary bruce starts us off. >> reporter: it's the oval office meeting that stunned the world. tensions behind the high-stakes push to end the war boiling over when president trump was pressed on concerns he's aligning with vladimir putin. >> well, if i didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have a deal. you want me to say really terrible things about putin and then say, hi, vladimir, how are we doing on the deal? it doesn't work that way. it's not a question of alignment. i'm aligned with the world. >> reporter: the vice president jumping in. >> the path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. >> reporter: president zelenskyy explaining that when they've tried diplomacy in the past, putin has gone back on his word. >> he broken the ceasefire. he killed our people, and he didn't exchange prisoners. we signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it.

what kind of diplomacy, jd, you are speaking about? what do you mean? >> i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country. >> yes, but -- >> mr. president -- mr. president, with respect, i think it's disrespectful for you to come to the oval office and try to litigate this in front of the american media. >> reporter: trump then scolding the wartime leader. >> you're not in a good position. you don't have the cards right now. with us you start having cards. >> i'm not playing cards. >> you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. you're gambling with world war iii. you're gameningbling with world iii, and what you're doing is disrespectful to the country, this country, that's backed you. far more than a lot of people said they should have. >> have you said thank you once this entire meeting? no, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you? >> reporter: the ukrainian president came to washington looking for continued u.s. support. instead, he was berated by

president trump. >> can i answer? >> no. you've done a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. >> i know. i know. >> you're not winning this. you have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us. >> reporter: zelenskyy had hoped to if putin violates a peace deal and tries to invade again, but trump giving him an ultimatum. >> you're either going to make a deal or we're out, and if we're out, you'll fight it out. i don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. >> reporter: the president dismissing the press, but not before acknowledging the fiery scene they just witnessed. >> this is going to be great television, i will say that. >> reporter: minutes later, trump kicking zelenskyy out of the white house, canceling their planned events saying in a i have determined that president ske zelenskyy is not ready for peace if america is involved. i want peace. he disrespected the united states of america in its cherished oval office. he can come back when he is ready for peace.

in the aftermath, top russian official applauded what he called zelenskyy's slapdown in the oval office while many european allies expressed unwavering support for ukraine. leaving the white house for the weekend, the president reiterating his message. >> he's got the say, i want to make peace. he doesn't have to stand there and say about putin this, putin that, and all negative things. he's got to say, i want to make peace. >> reporter: later on fox news, zelenskyy offering his point of view. >> i'm speaking like a president of the people who are in this struggle three years, and they just want to hear that america is on our side, and that america will stay with us, not with russians, with us. that's it. >> reporter: and today, zelenskyy is looking to shore up support with europe, meeting with the british prime minister and other allies at a summit in london as they scramble to contain the fallout of this explosive encounter in the oval office, and look to try and come up with a ceasefire plan that they hope president trump can agree to.

but european leaders continue to insist any plan needs a u.s. backstop, that there have to be security guarantees and so far that is something that president trump is not willing to commit to, george. >> george: mary let's bring in the secretary of state, marco rubio. thank you for joining us this morning. has there been any contact with president zelenskyy since friday? >> well, i haven't had any contact with him since friday. we have plenty of contacts with him though, plenty. we met -- in the last ten days, he spoke to the president on the phone, met with the secretary of commerce, met with me, met with the vice president, met with our special envoy, and then was invited and came over on -- invited, you know, he wanted to come over on friday to sign this commercial deal that didn't happen. there's been plenty of contact with him. i've talked to the foreign minister several times, not since then, and we'll see moving forward. i think the last line in the president's truth social post is the one to focus in on, and that is we'll be ready to re-engage when they're ready to make peace, which is clearly what the president's goal is here. he's trying to get russia to the

table to see if there's a way to bring about an end to this conflict. that's his goal. that's his only goal, and his centralized focus, and, you know, hopefully we'll get to a point where that's possible. >> george: the british prime minister said this morning that the united kingdom and france are working on a peace plan with ukraine to present to the u.s. do you know where things stand with that plan? >> no. i mean, i've talked to both of the foreign ministers of france and the ukrai yesterday, and i explained to them the events leading up to what you saw on friday. look. i think what's really important here is to understand the dynamic. the president is basically saying there's this horrible war. it's been going on for three years. it is a bloody stalemate, a meat grinder type war, and he wants it to end. how does it end? it's verip very simple. the only way it ends is if vladimir putin comes to a negotiating table, and president trump is the only person on earth who has any chance to bring him to a table to see if there is anything ending the war on. maybe their demands will be

unreasonable. we don't know, but we have to bring them to the table. you are not going to bring him toth table if you're calling him names and being antagonistic. that's just the president's instincts from years and years and years of putting together deals of someone who is in business. that's the only goal here. >> george: let me stop you for one second. >> there's a war with no end in sight. >> george: why is it okay to call president zelenskyy a dictator, but not as you say, call vladimir putin names? >> we've spent three years calling vladimir putin names. that's not the point. the point we're at now is we're trying to get the man to a table. the russians, and i've said from the very beginning. maybe they don't want a deal either. we don't know, but we haven't talked to them in three years, but maybe they do. the point is do we want to make -- i would ask e this. is there a no negotiations, what is the alternative? another four years of war? another three years of war in which the united states and europe continues to pour billions of dollars into a war in ukraine? is that the alternative? i've asked every foreign

minister i meet with, tell me your idea of how this turns out. most don't have a plan. a few have said, well, let's give them another year of fighting, a year from now -- a year later after another year of death, another year of destruction, then maybe putin will be ready to negotiate at that point. that doesn't sound like a good plan to me, and it's certainly not a plan the president's on board with. >> george: it's not about just getting people to the table. it's about keeping agreements that are made. that was one of the points president zelenskyy was making in the oval office on friday. vladimir putin has not kept the agreements that were made in the past. wasn't he right about that? >> but moving forward is the question, not the past. no one here is claiming vladimir putin is going to bet the nobel peace prize or he should be the humanitarian of the year at the humanitarian association. what we're arguing is he has a very large country. they're in full war footing. they're cranking out weapons now at a war footing pace, and we need to figure out, is there way to get them to stop the war? and the only way you're going to do that is to get russians

engaged in negotiations, something the europeans haven't been able to do, the biden administration wasn't able to do or didn't even try. that's the goal here. it's that simple. can we try to sit with them and figure out whether there's anything -- what are the russians' demands? under what conditions would the russians be willing to stop this war? as we said, we don't know what those are, because we haven't talked to them in three years. that's singular goal is to try to bring about an end to this conflict and it begins by getting them to the table. ultimately like any truce or any peace agreement, those things will have to be enforced and there will have to be safeguards put in place. everybody understands that, but it begins with the but that's engaging them so to iffest it's eastern possible because if it's not, thousands of people are diagnose, billions of dollars are pouring in, and more death and destruction. that's not something the president wants to be part of. >> george: aren't those talks feasible if the united states is willing to provide security guarantees to ukraine? that was the point president

zelenskyy was also making in the oval office. >> the security guarantees which i actually like to call deterrents is all contingent upon there being a peace. everybody is saying security guarantees to secure the peace. you first have to have a peace. we don't even know if the peace is possible. this was understood by the yu ukrainians. it was explained to them. we explained our strategy. we're trying to get putin to a negotiating table. everybody knows the history here, the back and forth. we understand that. we all understand that, but the question now is, can we get them to a table to negotiate? that's our goal. don't do anything to disrupt that, and that's what zelenskyy did unfortunately, is he found every opportunity to try to ukraine-splain on every issue. then he says the goal is diplomacy. he challenges the vice president. what kind of diplomacy? we all understand, okay, that putin is not going to be an easy negotiator in this regard. we all get that, but we have to -- we have to start the process to see if something is even possible, and i honestly am

puzzled. i just don't understand. the biden administration berated benjamin netanyahu and the israelis, puts all kinds of conditions and pressure on them to try to get a ceasefire. in this particular case, we have been nice by comparison, and all we're trying to do here is figure out whether a peace is possible. the -- all these other things that people keep bringing up, that will have to be a part of a negotiation. right now there is no negotiation. shouldn't we at least try to see if there is a way to end this war in a way that's acceptable to both sides and the enduring and sustainable? how is that a bad thing? i really am puzzled why anyone thinks that trying to be a pe peacemaker is a bad thing. it's only a bad thing when it's donald trump trying to do it, when it's president trump. it's absurd to me. >> george: even some of your republican allies are puzzled by the steps president trump has taken to placate. >> which ones? what steps has the president taken -- what steps has he taken? >> george: let me show you what lee is isa murkowski said.

please let me ask you the question. this is lisa murkowski, and here's what she says. this week started with administration officials refusing to acknowledge that russia started the war in ukraine. i ends with a tense and shocking conversation in the oval office and whispers from the white house that they may try to end all u.s. support for ukraine. i know foreign policy is not for the faint of hard, but i know right now i'm sick to my stomach that the administration appears to be walking away from our allies and embracing putin, a threat to democracy and u.s. values around the world. those are not my words. that's senator lisa murkowski. what's your response? >> well, you know, yeah. we're a free country. people have a right to these opinions. i would just say to you, what have we done to placate the russians? the only thing we've said, is are you willing to talk about peace? i say the same point. >> george: you voted with north korea and russia -- you voted with north korea and russia and belarus and the united nations and against our western allies. >> so you know what -- do you know what the united nations resolution was? i'll tell you if you want to hear what it was. it basically said, this has been a horrible war. it's time for it to end. the job of the u.n. is to bring

about peace in the world. i thought that's what the u.n. was created to do, to stop wars and to prevent them, and that's what the resolution did. was it antagonistic towards the russians? no. back to the point. but it also didn't praise the russians. all it said is, this is a bad war. it needs to end, and by the way, at the security council, which has not been widely reported, the first resolution on ukraine that has passed the security council in three years, passed this week because of the leadership of president trump and it's a resolution that says, bad war, needs to end, let's bring the two sides together. that's what the resolution is. again, what is the united nations for? isn't it not a forum to promote peace in the world? and shouldn't our president -- shouldn't we all be happy that we have a president who's trying to stop wars and prevent them instead of start them? and i just don't get it. i really don't, other than the fact it's donald j. trump. if this was a democrat that was goi doing this, people would be saying he's on his way to the nobel peace prize. this is about surtd surd.

you cannot end the war unless both sides come to the table starting with the russians and that is the point the president has made and we have to do whatever we can to try to bring them to the table to see if it's even possible. i'm not promising you it's possible. i'm not telling you it's 90% likely. i'm saying it's 0% likely if we don't get thomeem to a negotiat table, and the sooner everybody grows up around here, and says we're heading in a bad direction with ded death and destruction, the sooner people grow up and realize that, i think the more progress we're going to be able to make, but the president's crystal clear. he campaigned on it, and he's going to govern on it, and that is he is going to be a president that tries to achieve peace, and he has been very clear. this is a war that would have never happened had donald trump been in the white house, and it needs to end, and we're going to do everything we can to end it, and in an enduring and sustainable and fair way. >> george: you said your confirmation hearings that russia will have to make concessions to get a peace deal. what concessions do you expect them to make? >> well, why would i say that on a news broadcast? that's what negotiations are about. that's the problem