♪ with just a little taste ♪ ♪ with just a litle taste with a taste of your lips i'm on a ride ♪ ♪ you're toxic i'm slippin' under taste of a poison paradise ♪ ♪ i'm addicted to you don't you know that you're toxic uh-huh ♪ [ applause ] this is nightline. >> tonight they called her octomom, once one of the most vilified parents in america. >> you received death threats. >> right. thousands of death threats? yes. >> after having ivf and giving

birth to octuplets as a single unemployed mother with six other children, natalie nadya suleman becoming the target of nationwide scorn, even from doctor phil. >> so the doctor knows that the that the mother is unemployed, doesn't have her own home, has six kids because they're in the waiting room. >> now with those octuplets, 16 years old, she's coming forward to tell her side of the story. >> my whole family wants us to share our truth, to take our narrative back. >> and teasing a big reveal. >> what do your kids ask? about who the sperm donor is, who their father is? >> right. >> plus tiktok house tours. >> how much do you pay for rent in new york? >> i pay 2100. >> meet caleb simpson. >> wow, this is nice. >> a social media star asking that bold question. >> could i have a tour of your apartment? >> getting the scoop on big apple living. >> people are saying the modern day version of mtv cribs. >> if you think about it, i'm just like a rude stranger asking people to divulge personal information.

>> from the humble shoebox apartment. >> how big is this? >> 95ft■!s to posh digs like scarlett johansson's high? >> how much do you pay for rent in new york? >> i'm not telling you that. >> turning his brand of voyeurism into a full time gig. and the one thing his followers want to know. >> on a monthly basis. how much >> on a monthly basis. how much are you paying for rent? “talk”z and benny blanco ♪ ♪ i need your arms around me, ♪ ♪ i need to feel your touch ♪ ♪ hey! ♪ ♪ baby, i'm tired of waiting ♪ ♪ go re-charge your batteries, ♪ ♪ come back to me and make your mama proud ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i need your arms around me, ♪ ♪ i need to feel your touch ♪ ♪ and i really want to talk! ♪

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>> good evening. thanks for joining us. i'm stephanie ramos. it was the viral story in a time before stories went viral. a mother of six children undergoing ivf and becoming pregnant with octuplets known as octomom. nadya suleman, who now goes by natalie, was ridiculed and vilified and, she says, threatened now, pulling back the curtain on her side of the story. here's nightline co-anchor juju chang. >> hello. >> how are you? >> i'm well. how are you? >> it's a pleasure. >> to meet you. she was once considered one of the most hated people in america. >> i was hated more than o.j. simpson. >> you received death threats. >> right? thousands of death threats. yes. >> nadya suleman branded as octomom back in 2009. >> i'm known from the beginning why i was the target of misplaced hate. i'm not married. there's a serious bias there. not enough money. basically, those are the primary components as to why i was the target of global scorn, condemnation and all that misplaced hate. >> the single mother from california was vilified for

giving birth to octuplets. eight babies conceived via in vitro fertilization. >> the intense interest in the octuplets has left this now very large family in turmoil. >> the baby's not here. >> the fact that she already had six young children drew the ire of many across the country, berated on talk shows like oprah. >> you had these eight kids when you could not afford the six kids to begin with. >> doctor phil raising questions of what kind of doctor would do this? >> the doctor knows that the that the mother is unemployed, doesn't have her own home, has six kids because they're in the waiting room. >> or some asking, how could a woman with no job raise so many kids on her own? >> how will she take care of 14 children in this 1500 square foot house? >> nadya suleman is here. her first porn is out. >> suleiman ultimately turning to pornography, promoting it on doctor drew's hln show. >> octomom home alone. it's available. >> but now she's sharing her highly publicized story on her

terms through a new lens and using her birth name, natalie. why is now for you the right time to come back into the spotlight and bring your kids into the spotlight? >> my whole family wants us to share our truth, to take our narrative back. >> break down some of those misconceptions. what are the things that you think the public got wrong? >> oh, there's so many. >> those misconceptions, as she calls them. starting at conception in 2008, suleiman went through ivf to, in her words, complete her family with a seventh child. i think the biggest question that loomed large then, and i think perhaps even now, is that when you had six kids. >> right. >> as a single mom, right? and no job, right? why go and have more, right? >> i go into details, so many details as to the ulterior motive for wanting one more. that's the number one misconception, not just the fame. i never wanted fame, but i never wanted eight. i ended up with eight. i only wanted one

more. >> suleiman executive producing an upcoming scripted movie i was octomom. >> octomom had eight babies just to be famous. these are all lies. >> and producing a new six part docu series, confessions of octomom, both airing on. lifetime. >> octomom. octomom. >> the documentary introducing those octuplets now full on teenagers at 16. >> hello, everybody. >> hi. >> your kids really do redeem you, in a way. >> they're teenagers now. aside from all their fighting, they're arguing. they are some of the most grounded, humble, kind. just genuine human beings i've ever met. >> along with her six older children, the two eldest, now 22 and 23. >> they joked for years, that's mom, that's dad, that's mom, that's dad. and then they're my like, my parents, but they're not. >> she's like a child and an adult body. >> the brood of 14 peeling back the curtain on their home life and being fiercely protective of

their big family and its matriarch. >> how does it feel when you see mom in disguise, even though we're not in the sun? >> it's just natural. i'm just used to it. >> suleiman says she rarely leaves home without hiding her identity. why do you feel the need to wear a mask in public? >> so, number one, it's a son to protect my skin. number two is, you know, people. so it's also. it's a multifaceted hat, people, social anxiety hat. you know, son number one, rain. germs, everything. >> the docu series. also teasing a big reveal. >> why did you sit down with this thing? i was the sperm donor. >> what do your kids ask? about? who the sperm donor is, who their father. >> is, right? well, it was an anonymous sperm donor, and i was transparent with them since they were young. so they do know. and i go into detail also in the docu series. >> were you addicted to having babies? >> i believe it wasn't an addiction per se. there were so many factors. i was hyper focused on children. i wanted a

big family, not this big, but i wanted a big family. >> suleiman, who says she suffered from endometriosis, turned to doctor michael kamrava, who performed ivf for all her prior pregnancies. >> he had always from the beginning he transferred 5 to 6. so based upon my past reproductive history, he followed that. whereas yes, the recommendation is two embryos should be transferred. >> in the docuseries, suleiman reflecting on the shocking news. >> what did i do? what did i do to my family? my kids? >> that was. >> horrible. >> horrible. >> suleiman also shared that she initially thought she'd be delivering seven babies, making it an extremely high risk pregnancy. >> so after seventh, a resident went and examined the uterus. make sure everything is okay. and he felt a hand. >> and i put my hands in there and i said, there is another baby. >> suleiman's parents took care of her six older kids while she

recovered from the birth at the hospital, when her life changed forever. >> there's six boys, two girls, and currently they are stable. and according to the neonatologist, they're actually doing fine at the present time. >> she was almost instantly thrust into the spotlight just days after giving birth to the only surviving octuplets in history. but she says she never wanted that fame. >> i am beyond introverted. i'm shy, painfully shy. the reason i ended up in the public eye was because hipaa was breached. i never wanted i've been hiding from society since i was young. >> suleiman says she thought she'd do one interview on the today show and then move on. >> how will you feed all these children? >> i will feed them. i will do the best i possibly can, sir. >> thank you. >> her story set off a media firestorm as it unfolded. suleiman's finances were reaching a breaking point. she says she had to turn to the

tabloid media for her livelihood through paid interviews. but even then, she still wasn't making enough. how did you make financial ends meet? >> i did what i needed to do, you know, shame myself, repeatedly sacrificed my integrity in order to provide for my family. >> are you referring to the adult film that you made? >> unfortunately, yes. >> because in the trailer it says something like, oh, you're offered $1 million to do this. >> adult, right? >> video. >> right. so in the beginning, i was. yes, offered that. i turned that down. >> you know, i don't want to shame all people who do adult film, but for you, you say you felt you had to shame yourself to. >> i felt there was no other option. i did not come up with this idea on my own. >> when the octuplets were five years old, suleiman pleaded no contest to welfare fraud for money made on videos and from public appearances. while on government assistance, she was given two years probation. suleiman also struggled at one point with substance abuse. >> i did go to rehab in 2012 and

i was diagnosed with severe ptsd, and that was a direct repercussion of having been thrust into the public eye. >> what would you say back to those critics today? people, the haters, the shamers, what would you say to them? >> there's this epidemic, i think, of our society in particular, engaging in something called downward social comparison, especially how toxic social media is today. and they just disparage they deprecate people they don't know just to feel better about themselves. i think it's worse today than it's ever been. >> i know you say you don't regret having the eight children, but do you regret going back to that fertility doctor? >> i just can't say i regret going back to have one more. the regret i have is definitely not filing a lawsuit against him because he. he ultimately lost his license. there was. there was three patients, me and two others. >> doctor kamrava lost his medical license in 2011 for

gross negligence and repeated negligent acts when he repeatedly transferred an excessive amount of embryos into a patient, resulting in an octuplet pregnancy. suleiman says she's now come out of the other side of the fire, and says her kids are her support system. do you feel like your kids vindicate you in some ways? >> i feel as though my kids know who i really am. all my kids know me just as mom. i'm just mom, except a couple of the older boys. octomom. but they're just saying that jokingly. >> they make fun of you. >> yeah, they love to. they know who i am and they've never seen me as some celebrity. >> and even today. >> this is my granddaughter. >> suleiman's family is still growing. you became a grandmother. >> oh, yes. >> she's always over. she is the ultimate light in my life. just the ultimate joy. and she's just turned six months. oh my goodness, she's amazing. i am so, so happy. >> our thanks to juju. for more on natalie suleiman's story, watch iowa's octomom this

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been saved. >> welcome back. they say it's impolite to ask people about their age or their politics. if you're a new yorker. there's a third place you don't want to go. what someone pays for their typically tiny, always expensive apartment. meet the tiktok sensation who breaks that rule every chance he gets. here's abc's austin sing.

>> how much you pay for rent in new york? >> i pay 2100. >> around 12,000. >> can i have a tour of your apartment? >> do you want to walk up five flight stairs? >> you may not recognize his face, but that voice. >> you're the mastermind of this apartment. is that on here? >> yeah. he's the one behind hundreds of viral tiktoks. >> very neat. the harry potter room. everyone is curious here. no matter like what level of wealth somebody is at, they will walk down the street and still look up and be like, oh, i wonder what it's like in there. >> it's the question the whole world is wondering about the big apple. how do people actually live here from the average? >> 1550 1650? >> it's really bright, which is why we picked it. >> to the elite. >> so i have to tell you. >> way too much. >> this is freaking incredible. this is the best loft space i've ever seen. >> living room workspace. oh, i get busy in here. >> people are saying that you're the modern day version of mtv cribs. how do you react to that? >> oh, man. it's a it's pretty surreal to think about it sometimes, because if you think about it, i'm just like a rude

stranger asking people to divulge personal information. you know what i mean? how much do you pay for rent? how much do you pay for rent in new york? >> now, that question, which often gets a double take. >> can i try out your bed? >> it's like 33 year old caleb simpson to a full fledged career. >> oh, wow. >> this is nice. >> by offering glimpses into the crazy world of new york living that so many others dream of. >> i was running around with the camera, kind of trying out a bunch of ideas before this series took off of just exploring, talking to people, interviewing people. >> with the hopes of going viral. >> i mean, when you make internet content, you want people to see it. >> the wildly popular content creator has nearly 14 million followers across all social media platforms, with 8.5 million on tiktok alone. >> i almost didn't realize at first when i was making it, i had these, like realizations happen while i was going viral. i was like trying to dissect why people were interested in it. one for sure. like everyone's common places that we all live in a box of some size. sure. so it's like that's extremely relatable. their nosy curiosity

and i think at scale, no one's really just like gone into, like, joe schmo's house, but like, what up? i think i own most of the popularity to the series, to just normal people just being like, yeah, come on in. let's like, check it out. >> from the quintessentially teeny tiny new york shoe boxes. >> welcome to my apartment. >> how big is this? >> 95ft■!s to the posh pads of celebrities like scarlett johansson? >> hello. >> hi. how much do you pay for rent in. >> new york? >> not telling you that. >> and, christie brinkley. >> i have to introduce you to my chickens. scrambled sunny side up benedict. >> the series becoming so big, he's gone global. >> how much do you pay for. >> rent in australia? how much do you guys pay for rent in london? how much do you pay for rent in hong kong? >> where are you in hong kong? >> it was new york city real estate mogul and shark tank investor barbara corcoran. >> you're barbara from shark tank? >> yes i am. who gave him. >> a huge boost when she reached out asking if he'd like to tour her penthouse. >> this is the guest room. this is where you're going to put me

when i come back? >> yeah. why not? you could use it. >> when barbara corcoran dm'd me, like, 2 or 3 months into the series, i was like, come to my apartment. i was like, whoa, dude, this is crazy. why is she dming me? and then that kind of just, like, shook the landscape a little bit. and from there i was like, okay, i think this is a thing. guess that tiktok song with us? yes he did. >> he'd experimented with different types of content creation for almost a decade. when he came up with the idea of asking new yorkers about their apartments, just as he was about to lose his. >> i just, like, had gotten fired from my job. i had like four weeks worth of cash in the account, which was like for rent. so i was like, my back was up against the wall and i was like, dang. i'm like literally walking around asking people, how much do you pay for rent? and i cannot pay for rent. sometimes you just need a fire under your to figure something out. >> living close to the bone is something caleb says he's familiar with growing up. one of nine kids in north carolina sharing a room with his five brothers. his family, he says, often relying on public assistance to get by. >> i'm just grateful for it. and

it also lives up to a lot of like, core values i have in my own life. i love to give other people a platform. it just it's just more fun to experience stuff with other people versus putting all the attention on myself. >> he doesn't consider himself an interior designer, but has seen enough apartments to notice a few things. what are the trends that you're seeing a lot of? >> well, every 23 year old has a bar cart and thinks they're the we got the kitchen here with the big island, you know. >> and it was only fitting the guy who tours people's apartments gave me a tour of his. by new york standards, caleb is living large. this is it. the bellini couch, a working fireplace. >> outdoor space. >> and the cuddle cushion. >> so you're gonna be the big spoon or the little spoon? >> i'm gonna take little spoon. >> okay, let's do it. >> can we. >> try it out? yeah, yeah. >> you're always asking how much people are paying for rent. >> i know, i'm so nervous. are you about to ask me? >> i'm about to on a monthly basis. how much are you paying for rent? >> okay. i'm paying. i'm paying 20, 180 a month. >> 2180. >> the whole apartment is 6500 a month because i have some

roommates, so we split it up accordingly. >> 2180. this is a steal in brooklyn, right? >> totally. totally. no, i think so. yeah, i think so. >> definitely. no matter. >> how big you've. >> gotten, you haven't elevated to one of those big apartments. yeah. how come. man, we're all getting hosed out here in new york, man. it's expensive. that's facts. i think that's a mistake people make, too. is that if they make a little bit more money, they just upped their lifestyle. i'm like, i like this apartment. why would i just, like, run away from it? >> i learned one thing from caleb. it's knowing when it's time to go. >> we saw the house. you saw the grill. you saw the grill. you saw the cuddle cushion. you saw the fire. you saw the duck. you saw the ko punch. you saw the sauna. you jumped in my bed. it's time to go. thanks for coming over. >> i appreciate you showing me around. >> it was about time caleb showed us his own place. our thanks to austin. when we come back, an eagle eye view of the cutest baby birds you've ever cutest baby birds you've ever seen. turns out, it's thanks to award winning perfumers

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