>ickerson: today on "fa the nationcan anything or anyone stop d dald trump or hillary clinton from going all the way to their party's nominion. and superuesday, we'llll talk to the ree top republican contenders, donald tmp w ads bybyig margins i most per tuestatesnd te nator te cruz. er thes n doubt inald stm lls thrper tuesday,e may welele unstoppable. don'think that will happen. >> dicicrson: he's not the only one vwing to s op ld trumu wel talklko senat marco rubio. >> i will dohaver it takes. dickerson: hillary clinton thunders tough south carolina with b win.n. we'lllalk to her rival bernie sanders about hislu w cbagrnd trackekemb a a aheadn " the tion captniponsoredy cbs

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's during e seas within u caget people it's very, very hard to hire people, ququified people.. lot t eoppf dididt wanthe job cause dhree@ f montjousturhe seasonthe e seon, the hh season. it's very to get peoplel because it's just one of thos things. everybody y working. and then during thth off season it's easy weedon't't have the people during the off seasonh cae cublolos duringof sson,otf pe d't want prte dke: yosaat amicic crpioiohoulilomck tericicicbuild eir prodtsts hre, h hve@ an work woejs. why woulul t thorporationsay ion n whayou're caying they can't find the workerseretheyo goer places. [oulhesthat u're sying. >>ecause those are full tijobs. that kind of t tng, talkinn about full t te jobs. t of the pethiss we made offers to, whene m mers wh they heart's pab-time job, it's four monon o five moh job i undndstand this ey're not interest.

what you don't talk about is thf thousands of people that i do hire. thousas and thousasas of pele@n m paollverer theyears s at a ten of t tusands ofple tt w me. pickck u c cb where h high sean whwhe very,, vy rd. it's'sery hard to get people in lm beach during the seas, duriri the social seon >> dickerson: michael hayden the rmerer director of the naationall securi agencsaid thaif y red u.s. fofoes to kill the families of trrororts whic you ggesd also use wateterdg which you al suggest that they wod refuu aou.p.p what is yo rersponse to that? >> i don'tnow whate means by i n onel lad thin, th'r'rchpi he, thoin heads al over tid east, is is doioiumbmb en ofther -- isis is doi itow. all i know ishat when they start cppinoff hds we have to be very firm, we have to be

isag with the statethe t be ver strtrg, can u igineheeoe at c o he o o chchstns and plentferpele ahedotouty and dzdzro peoplph inig eetaas, ty dnn th. leave theheinorororfou then pull it upbnd everybodyss dead ey hear us talking about waterboarding, give ee a aridid we he to get a lotougher i we're gog to win t ts war. ife're not going to get tougher we're nononoing to win this w. >> dickerson: thanks for being with us, we'll spepe to you again soon. >> thanknk very much. dickerson: we caught up with senanar ted crcrcrnhe campaign trail in rginiaia beach. what othth s stes were you onn per esy? >> the most impmptant d of th entire primary elececon is th mostelat aard a sileigh thwe aresition too have a verer goodh nighttn sup

to go head to head with hilly clinton.n. and we are the onlyampaign that asasbeat donalaltrump d 're the only candidate that can beat donalifou lot superdatate eningng necnd w ld iat all acro superue so it is m m hopehatllfhe blanshoecognizeta nomiti a cdite who agrees with llary to hoswsof issues, whoasy r, nothe tot if wcomeothercoervavavesttogeth 'lhaight kekehey the unstoppabl heso doubtatf ldamls through super tuesday,s evererhere with big marge in tt ay well be unstoppable. i don't thk that will happen. butt i think if you're at home and you don't w wt t@na trump to be the republicananomnlnlaho cntt dona is ourampaig i iould encourage, en if you like another candate, stand with us if yououon't wan donald to be the nominee..

sunner tuesday, that is how we endddpbeating donald and nominating a proven conrvrvivee which is what it's going to take >> dickers: whatatid you make of cis chrst enrsing do >>on think thawaa bi rp. thinitas a toherubio campaign. t at the oheay,he washingnonnn esblisent t g whe they're going to go. thisis is super tuesday is a battleleoeterne where conservaves s . i think the debate this weekas really some powerful moments of clarity. we sawhat donald trumpmp substantively has the same% issuesesn issue after isssss% hillary c cnton. hegre witithillary clinton on ibyaya totoling the govnmentt libya that l decy to beehazi. led toandndnd that countryry ovov. he agreed wh hillary cnton suting johkerry og ththlaliononei, qu neueual betweesrael d the p pestitian t t ass preret mnong t b b nra

aplyhel onomc polic donontrump agreed with barack obama on the watre bail ouuu the bail ouu of big b`nk. i tnk the governnt oug to be standingng g g maststst, with worng men and wome andheyou putn pthe ethica isusu. her iefusi to hitata d th's robm. dicony that proboby ist a a obobe doesn't reem>> i bei ait for two years, thethreears,, then maybe fi years. if there's a proble hisis taxes, voters have e right to knowbebeuse come septemr, october the general ection, fox in the media are going to make a heyda& about any problems in his taxes, i think primary voters hav right to@ know anhiss excusus that he's being audited. th itvfnore important. el his ts can see i i there is -- mi romney suggested there cod be bombshell t tre. i don't know if there o o noo

e v vers s d ihink he owes cannedder to the vote. >> dickerson: he said sososo etty bracing things about you stililli him. hohocan n at be the e se? >>donald a charming p pson. cneun >>icon: bubuann onh jt oni can tn ge nnal a vicis. ret im an e e e ener,laugh h m. 's le ink eirc eiei the arobats andancing s. wilng tayhgs tt aratent false. for exple, athe debate this wewewae cked offf hisealth re position f f 20 yeaea. for yea he haha agreed with hihiary clinton and d rn sanders on socialized m micine saying, obama compare doesn't go far enough. wants the government to pay for evyo hlth cre and rol it. d a hadackk a f f ere i hi ist tr or falalt h h said the government shoulday for@ everne's health ca.

within minutes we pulut video contntstinwhat he said there with videoeo of him just few months earlier saying exactly the opposite.and at i thinknknkhe debate this week did,s gave real claty to the voters. that to beat hillary, we need a consistent conserertive, someone who o s sto foror free market principles, who has stood for constitution andritically who stoofor thhee working m%m and women n thisotry.y. talkldlott'srenmimiio( that he ironye mad t center of his entire campaign immigration given that he faceded a $11 million crt judgmgmor bepart o #aocy re ill alie gent just week n ns bre that hiri foke ay hotel a d la h h hid i ivi afr thbaba he said,d, sh, you can't find amecans to d d these jobs to be waiters or waitresses or bell hoho.

e ew ykim reporord rohl americans appliedr thosee jobs, he onlnl hired 17 instead he brought i ioreign workererbecacae they're captive rkers, you can pay tm less, ey can't'teave. anani ink the working men a women are gettingammered right now, they wantomeone they c trust totand with thehm and part of the reason so many conservatives arar uniting bebend oucampaign i'm the oy one th leded the badtle againstm gligenceee,ed the btle secur the boernd for rkg medomen. >> dickerson: the question about bordere anyour positionn on immigrgrion with undocumented workers. billll o'r'reillprepared with h u hypothetical someoeo over stayay eirr visa,resisintruz going end the feds, take him outp him on a plane. you said you better believe it. inin an interview given similir spenario we don't havav sysysm thatnocks on doors o o every person in america, one c ce yoyo were not kcking n the doooo d

d't hetormroops that k othe eve ericananen w d't d th.. buwh wve edee a particulul person smmitted a crime ween law enforoementnt to arendhem. the he iff i c qti s visveray. john, right now, curedel w requ aetexitntntntysm m yomomeinini obama stsus ig fedal. % ofof illel immigrationot peop acrs t brders i willlilylyt's leho ce a ais and never if w wha bomom it-e sysm wenow john dickersononomeses in for s months and hassn't leftwenow t t d after s s months, okay, john exceeded his visa. with tha exit-entry system we can sen law enforcemen agents that exist o go get johnay, you're h hellegally. that is how lawnfofoement opereres. >> dickerson: senator cruz, thanks so mumu. >> thank youou zohn dickerson: we'll bback in one minute w w another o th top consteppedders in the

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>>keon: we're ba wh rporin arkansattg y toead to he toh nepper - suuruesfs campaign state.d d ke to ask you about ashingtotopost" headlin this morning at says, rubio's straragy for super tuesday is survival. do you agree with th charactetezaon? no, i don't. we're not the front runner here we're underdog that's r re that i relish. i've beeee ann underdog my whole life. we'll pick up a lot of delegatess on supe tues we're ing totoove on. here is with i i nevevoing thahaenisar. ver tiepuicarty s ound tt ve geout or pposefallyi ndtrp. na tru is tt republican. donald trump is nott conservative. donald drump i i trying to pull f theiggest scam in amecan poti historor basically a con job tryinto take over the repuican party by telling people he's someo

we'll do whatever he takes. we'll be in thisace a a long ass ek be in y stasma re i theominee thahjna umuve g g 1236 deteh% needsn >> dickerse arour mpgn gotter t ruthe fo am of - iever edto to ts poioi. bybown crsehe wed pits`eoeld open the e e s w donald trump ly is. thnfounately has not happened. the e lls a earar states indicate he's be able t/ fool a gnificant number ofeoplel to believing t the is somemeing th he is not. donald trump i a lales con tist, , coed t tse ople thaign u u tum univerty now tg g o the me thi to republicaters. 'sry to convhethat somehe's the guy that is going tstand up to illegal miation but hires illegal imimgrants. th he's fighting for amemerica wowoers but he's hiing foreign

bring back jobsrom china and mexico but inn fact he'e' c ceating jobs in china d mexico becausef that's w wre all of his suiui and ties that he sells are made. it's'son jb,tis sca gogog tol itit to r rveal it i beve ppllearbout tt e ss sup hs too have in t wks t com >> >ickerson: donald trump is one in t tee states. you y vots ther were conned, what does at say about voters in thosctat >> well, i think has lot to do ththhe media coverage as women i'm not speaking a aut you in particular, buthe media coverage has been cheerleading ererer last couplelef weeks i'm cind it'sauauany in the pre wanm to b mine hethint'oi t b goodorg, t,ecauau ey hlot oia rkh. ontrp wereo eve me ninee idiatelyy hoodes o him, ing g rimrt, evythie's everonone from relngaxes a of his s il businessealings and hillary clinton is going to he ear shot to the oval office i think the are many out there rootg fothat outcome so that

in the corage he'ssotten. is guy hh not offered singlg serious policy proposal which is important if you want to be president of the u uted d ates. anan agagagathep nigig at the he r fusese touinhealthare pn. justoved o o instead of si on hee a rdilo ansnsr on el d he mov prsing. no oer candidate e ulve gotten awi tt. i ththk there's weird bs in the mediaia rooting for donald trump becacae he's the eiest reblican to at. >> let meesk you about all the thing you've saidbout donald trump a. big s scamam's's a con job how can you possiyetain position t tt if he's the nononee yoyoll s sport him? >> becausee'neveveoing toto be the nominee. i'm notorried about to happen. donaldldrumpilil never he 6 detes whwhh is whaene wppen. delegates.s. we're going to c ctinuto work hard to make that happen.

sisi inhen voters realize wh wee gast here, hs trying tou're goino s a s sft here.. ickerson: at's confusing you sa heh were t nmine d dtroyootivemovent en youe s sgevev heu sne to #evtr you say teseeibthinhris cstieai b thgsgsgs aunrsrs him opce he ge the nominatn? >> well, again, he's not going to be the nominee b bause we a a not going to allow. peopleill l ke upp not allow con artist to take o thehe party of l lcoln and ragan. he's pulli o o a world class scamam her he's telling people h all ese things, he's fighting for the little guy. the working class. he has spent his entirereuses reertitig to wo pe prectsnder t le thatton pai are contracacrs thatt some of themave gone bankrupt.

calls from people that have been scscmedy donald trum and their stories a heartbreaking. >> dkerson: you sayougre goininto stop hihi are you goin to win florida or beat threw? >>bbsolutely. we'r'rgoing tooin florida. florida is notgoing to vote for con artist likikdonald trump. has the benefit ofofhe fact tpat he's dominated media covevege. literallyominated media coveracause of t tpagus things he says.. th'sndthero rllht for het and sulfhe republic pars not, i will do wtever it takesre prt it frommngakronst i a pe gnto our effort at marcorubio.com to make th en. >> dicicjcon: you'lg dwhatever it takes. yourpaigig manager talkeded about cononed convention,, taking it all arthe way to t convention. in that case, basically taking nomination away frodona trump. wouldn't that juju c ce anuproar from all tse pe w vofor h wh h gen himei suor

>> wll, that we beat himut right in therimary process believe th's what's going to ppenn thnene fewew weeks as states. terrain begins to change.e. i fe very good. to t tt. let me justay thehe ules whatt are they are in thth republblan rty, you ve totoave xumber of delelat in orr to be the nominee. if you don't have those n nber of delegat then there's a process inlace. here is where there i i c camity minee. if he's our nominee it couldd be the end of the republican party. it will split u andplinr in w w m n nerererbl cor emrailjo a aout it. dkerson: we'll haha to end it there.

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asall aalysl ok at yo campaign fm the beginning, evegiven proess you've made, ihererenough time left, you mentioned some places w wre youhhk ye done we,, but isn't't timee kind of rning out? >> noi don't thin so. i think you got tuesday we'll have over 800 delegates being selected. i think we're going do win a very good share of tho delegagas.s. major states comin upn think e iportant pints that people throughout this country arar resonating too ourpmessage. d eessasasas tha ser csnd coorrtp campai fince system areerong icananan decry. weerou that w w received ur milonndivual contributions m mre tha a ndidat america history at is pointnt

is why wexreoi wel ou shing even i sosoh carolaa as badly as we didi we did v vadly. wonhe vfeoe9yeaeu aroger.the future of theeememematic party, the future of this country invngngouou people i the potil process, geing them t tstand u for eir ririts, dealing with student dede which i got to tel you is questioning peoe all over thiss country. making public collegesnd universities tuition free, those are the ideas we are bringing t, demanding the wealth and large corp operations start paying the fair share of tas. is s at younger people, working classeoe. that is the future ofhe democr partq. >>kerson: in order to cre vement ye suestihau wawa you'r going toeeee t arica ican votersnd you're onomicicusticeessage didn't seem to hit home in south carolina. and inther places.

>> noo question, to be vy clear. weweid really, r rally badly with der a aic american voters. weot deemated. on the other h hd if youoo att thyounr people, affn amican y pop a awhed e. so, again, i thkk our message,, the clinton campaign was very ststngngremembererss their fourth cpan inou rolina. o for bibilion, f f fhillararinto theyadadlganinid ey well cgrala herer ceo tee orlr 8% t polls it w tou roadsooe. i wanto thank a of our supporters, the members o the uth rolina statete legislature whstuck with us. are cnfident the future. >> digkeon: oullshow that onerightpo yous that big majoritnk that u are more honesory anillaryli. whatoeitay t you, tugh, ers may believe that and

clinton? >> well, i thihieople cas their vos fo a number of reass. iiink if you look at your s you'll probably findhaha manyeople ththk that our views are closer to what they believe the fre of ammica shouldd be. our views are@ closer on economic issues lot of those pollls come dowow o demographihi, the age, to howw ch m m m mou are making. at t tottom line p, we std this cmpai, john, 3 in the polls. hesosowoeeksationapoll actllyads i e lead or reasonably clole to secrctary clinton. if you we with yesterday in texas ee 10,000 peoe out in austin, 8000 people out in as.. we had good t tn out here l lt night. i belie we have lot of momeum. somemeeedia -hisstate ha eecon athe end o

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evidence that if other cacaidates wererto fall away that enough voters would go to the remaing pepeon who is alternative to trumpmphat would actually change the state of things? >> n n n. donald trump wld get,, when we askeople,e,e, if he doesnsn get the nomination who wouldou support. donaldrump would getnoughf rubio voterer enough of c cruz's voters, not majorory but enough, edo hisurrent stan wou keep hefronunner consided re don' cearily he whs ltanng a a ihink th imrtant. fid donald trump up arounun he doesn't ne thatnuch to thenet t#ajoritit we'v'vways talkedd about howtt he has a ceeing, he sti does. there's lot of people would not ke him second c cicece but his@s ceiling isn't quite as low as w once thougt.>> dickerson: : er to the democratic races itver? >> notet. but sper tuesday looks prettyy gogo for hillala c cnton.n on. one is w talkedbout the

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