what's underneath it, charlie. >> rose: that's why you don't like people in this room, period. >> that's right. we don't like people in this room, period. >> stahl: how do you think you did in this movie? rate yourself. >> secretly with myself, i regarded it as the best thing i ever did. it was the most difficult. and the criterion for that is i made it look the most easy. >> stahl: "youth" is set in the swiss alps. michael caine plays fred ballinger, a retired, celebrated composer and conductor who has turned his back on music. but he can't help finding it everywhere. ( cow bells ring musically ) ( cow lows ) >> kroft: i'm steve kroft. >> stahl: i'm lesley stahl. >> whitaker: i'm bill whitaker. >> rose: i'm charlie rose. >> pelley: i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight on "60

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steve jobs. >> jobs: we're going to make some history together today. >> rose: jobs transformed the computer from a cumbersome machine into perhaps the most personal and sleek consumer product of all time. the iphone is 12,000 times more powerful than the original macintosh, and next year, it will have sold one billion units. following steve jobs was one of the most challenging successions imaginable, a daunting responsibility for the man he hand-picked, tim cook. >> cook: i've never met anyone on the face of the earth like him before. and it... it was a privilege. >> rose: "i've never met anyone on the face of the earth like him"? >> cook: no one. no one. >> rose: not one person? >> cook: not one. >> rose: who had...? >> cook: who had this incredible, uncanny ababity to see around the corner; who had this relentless driving force for perfection. >> rose: the spirit of steve

he was a founder like no other-- a volatile visionary capable of creating products people wanted before they even knew it. cook is a measured and passionate engineer from alabama. on the apple campus, employees still talk about steve jobs in the same way that tim cook does. >> cook: it's a bar of excellence that merely good isn't good enough. it has to be great. as steve used to say, "insanely great." >> rose: you believe you can do things other companies can't do. >> cook: you do. you do. we all do. and we have, fortunately. >> rose: it begins on the apple campus at 9:00 a.m. every monday morning at the executive team meeting. i'm from "60 minutes," and i'm in search ofhe brains of apple, and someone said, "go in this room and you'll find them." ( laughter ) is this the place? >> cook: no, no, this is not the place. >> rose: attendance is mandatory. if you are in this room, you are one of the most important people at apple. they wouldn't let us attend the

tell us what they like so much about their company. that's jeff williams, officially named the new chief operating officer this week. and that's eddy cue. he is the guy who helped create itunes. >> eddy cue: it's amazing to be able to work at a place where you're building products that everybody in the world uses. whether it's a two-year-old or 100-year-old, they get to experience the products that we're building, and that's amazing. >> rose: is the dna of steve jobs baked deeply into everything just said? >> cook: it is. it is. this.. this is steve's company. this is still steve's company. it was born that way, it's still that way. and so, his spirit, i think, will always be the dna of this company. >> rose: and if there was anyone at apple who comes close to sharing jobs' dna, it would be this man, jony ive, apple's chief design officer. he's considered by many at apple

at the company. every apple device on the market today was either created or inspired by this reserved and polite son of a british silversmith. we met ive in his design studio, but apple's preoccupation with secrecy allowed us to see only so much. what's interesting in this room is that i see these covers over some of these desks. you know, why is that? >> jony ive: that's so you can't see what's underneath it, charlie. >> rose: what? meaning, if i could see what's underneath it, i would know where the future is of apple. >> ive: you'd know what we're working on next. and so that's one of the reasons that... that it's extraordinarily rare that people come into the design studio. >> rose: and that's why you don't like people in this room, period. >> ive: ( laughs ) that's right. we don't like people in this room, period.

group. in 15 years, only two have left the company. we noticed that ive's studio is quiet and looks a lot like an apple store. both around his signature wooden tables. here, ive and his team create prototypes of future products before the specifications are sent overseas to be manufactured. with the iphone 6 and 6-plus, the design team made ten different-sized models before deciding which worked best. >> ive: and we chose these two because, partly, they just felt right, they somehow... not from a tactile point of view, but just, emotionally, they felt like a good size. >> rose: do you do this about every product, this amount of dedication to emotional context?

iceberg. because we've found that different textures considerably impact your perception of the object, of the product-- what it's like to hold and what it's like to feel. so, the only way that we know how to resolve and address and develop all of those issues is to make models, is to make prototypes. >> rose: ive also showed us how he prototyped the apple watch. it begins with a sketch of the watch casing. then, a computer-aided-design specialist transforms the sketch into a three-dimensional electronic blueprint. that is sent to this high- precision milling device known as a c.n.c. machine. >> ive: we attach to this fixture in there a block of aluminum. and the cutter that you can see there in this c.n.c. machine is now machining incredibly accurately the form at the back of the watch.

>> ive: yeah. and all of the tiniest details as well. >> rose: once it's been carved, the prototype of the watch casing is sanded and polished by hand by veteran craftsmen. ive's team oversees every design detail, including testing hundreds of different hues and shades of red, blue, and yellow for the watch bands. >> ive: all of these things, i think, in aggregate, if we manage to get them right, you sort of sense that it's an authentic, really thoughtfully conceived object. >> rose: ive described the process that comes next. turning a prototype into a working product requires a high level of complex engineering. when he wanted to make the new macbook apple's thinnest and lightest laptop ever, ive worked with apple's head of hardware engineering, dan riccio, to

to last all day, but also small enough to fit into ive's slim case design. >> dan riccio: every tenth of a millimeter in our products is sacred. >> rose: every tenth of a millimeter is sacred... >> riccio: with this design, it involved, you know, mechanical designers, toolmakers, chemists. and it also involved software engineers to go off and design a pack that would fit within the surfaces with... of the product, but still work reliably. >> rose: one of the most complex engineering challenges at apple involves the iphone camera, the most used feature of any apple product. that's the entire camera you're looking at in my hand. how many parts are in here? >> graham townsend: there's over 200 separate individual parts in this... in that one module there. >> rose: graham townsend is in charge of a team of 800 engineers and other specialists dedicated solely to the camera. he showed us a micro suspension system that steadies the camera

>> townsend: this whole autofocus motor here is suspended on four wires. and you'll see them coming in. and here we are. four... these are 40-micron wires, less than half a human hair's width. and that holds that whole suspension, and moves it in x and y. so that allows us to stabilize for the hand shake. >> rose: in the camera lab, engineers calibrate the camera to perform in any type of lighting. >> townsend: go to bright, bright noon. and there you go. sunset now. there we go. so, there's very different types of quality of lighting, from a morning, bright sunshine, for instance, the noonday light. and then finally maybe... >> rose: sunset, dinner... >> townsend: we can simulate all those here, believe it or not, to capture one image, 24 billion operations go on... >> rose: 24 four billion operations going on... >> townsend: ...just for one picture. >> rose: the company is known for focusing as much energy on how products are marketed and sold as it does on the way they're designed and built.

it when apple took us to this unmarked warehouse off the main campus. inside, we found yet another prototype, a mock store where apple's head of retail, angela ahrendts, is continually refining new designs for apple's 469 stores worldwide. how many iterations of what i'm looking at have you gone through? >> angela ahrendts: oh. ( laughter ) i mean, honestly, there are meetings in here every single week. and there's a floor set-- we use this as a stage, and we say "this is rehearsal." >> rose: ahrendts wants customers to be transfixed from the moment they walk through the doors. >> ahrendts: the most important goal is that it is dynamic. people are used to living on their phone, so they're used to being dynamic, emotive, immersive. and so, how do we make sure when they walk into a store they say, "wow"? >> rose: apple's huge profit margins-- roughly 40% across the board-- have made it the most

worth about $600 billion. people may love their apple products, but if there is one complaint you hear a lot, it's that, by the time you buy one, a newer, better version is already on the way. apple's head of marketing, phil schiller, admits that the company often pits one product against another. is there danger of one product cannibalizing the other product? >> phil schiller: it's not a danger, it's almost by design. you need each of these products to try to fight for their space, their time with you. the iphone has to become so great that you don't know why you want an ipad. the ipad has to be so great that you don't know why you want a notebook. the notebook has to be so great, you don't know why you want a desktop. each one's job is to compete with the other ones. >> rose: the first new product to come from apple since tim cook took over as c.e.o. was the apple watch. ( cheers and applause )

about everything apple does, including that the watch may not be the breakout product apple had hoped. it has been on the market for eight months, but apple has not released any sales figures. you think it's a product that needs improvement? >> cook: i think all products are going to be... >> rose: i know that. of course i know that. >> cook: yeah. and i think the watch is no we're going to continue to fine tune... >> rose: so you're disappointed >> cook: i'm not disappointed in it. it's every par... >> rose: but you saw room to improve it? >> cook: charlie, when we... when we launch a product, we're already working on the next one, and possibly even the next, next one. and so, yes, we always see things we can do. ( applause ) this is the future of television, coming now. >> rose: and then there is apple tv, and suggestions that apple wants to do much more in the television business... as well as speculation about apple developing a car. but tim cook is keeping that a secret, too.

be in the car business? >> cook: ( laughs ) >> rose: but... okay, i mean, how hard is it to say, "yes, we've done this. we're looking into it. we may very well go there." how hard is that? >> cook: one of the great things about apple is we probably have more secrecy here than the c.i.a. >> rose: ah! whatever secret products apple may be working on, no one feels the pressure to deliver more than jony ive. is there any possibility that apple can get too rich and too fat and too complacent? >> ive: that possibility absolutely exists. i think one of the things that characterizes the way that we work is that our heads tend to be down at these tables, worrying about what we're doing. and our heads don't tend to be up, looking around at what we've... >> rose: thinking how great we

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>> rose: apple is based in cupertino, california, but the vast majority of its revenue, workers, and customers are overseas. that raises a number of issues for the world's biggest company: why won't apple bring home more manufacturing jobs from china? why doesn't apple pay u.s. taxes on the nearly $200 billion it

but perhaps the most pressing issue facing apple today is encryption. it is believed that the terrorists in last month's attacks in paris used encrypted apps to avoid surveillance. u.s. law enforcement immediately renewed its calls for apple and other companies to provide access to its customers' encrypted texts and e-mails. apple c.e.o. tim cook has refused to do so. and though we interviewed him prior to the attacks, cook has since told us that apple is cooperating with authorities to combat terrorism, but he has not changed his position on encryption. in the government, they say it's like saying, you know, you have a search warrant, but you can't unlock the trunk. >> cook: here's the situation is on your smart phone today, on your iphone-- there's likely health information, there's financial information. there are intimate conversations with your family or your co- workers. there's probably business secrets.

to protect it, and the only way we know how to do that is to encrypt it. why is that? it's because, if there's a way to get in, then somebody will find the way in. there have been people that suggest that we should have a back door. but the reality is, if you put a back door in, that back door's for everybody, for good guys and bad guys. >> rose: but does the government have a point in which they say, "if we have good reason to believe in that information is evidence of criminal conduct or national security behavior?" >> cook: well, if... if the government lays a proper warrant on us today, then we will give the specific information that is requested, because we have to by law. in the case of encrypted communication, we don't have it to give. and so if, like, your imessages are encrypted, we don't have access to those.

government's dilemma. >> cook: i don't believe that the tradeoff here is privacy versus national security. >> rose: versus security. >> cook: i think that's an overly simplistic view. we're america. we should have both. >> please stand and raise your right hand. >> rose: national security isn't the only battle tim cook has been fighting with washington. apple earns two-thirds of its revenue overseas. rather than bring it back and pay hefty u.s. taxes, apple-- like many u.s. multinationals-- parks billions of dollars in overseas income in subsidiaries in countries like ireland. the practice is not illegal, but it's at the heart of a battle that has been unfolding in washington to reform the corporate tax code and bring that money home. how do you feel when you go before congress and they say you're a tax avoider? >> cook: what i told them, and what i'll tell you and... and the folks watching tonight is we pay more taxes in this country

>> rose: well, they know that. and you should because of how much money you make. >> cook: well... i don't deny that. i... we happily pay it. >> rose: but you also have more money overseas, probably, than any other american company? >> cook: we do. because, as i said before, two- thirds of our business is over there. >> rose: yeah, but why don't you bring that home is the question? >> cook: i'd love to bring it home. >> rose: why don't you? >> cook: because it would cost me 40% to bring it home. and i don't think that's a reasonable thing to do. this is a tax code, charlie, that was made for the industrial age, not the digital age. it's backwards. it's awful for america. it should have been fixed many years ago. it's past time to get it done. >> rose: but here's what they concluded. apple is engaged in a sophisticated scheme to pay little or no corporate taxes on $74 billion in revenues held overseas. >> cook: that is total political crap. there is no truth behind it. apple pays every tax dollar we owe. >> rose: tim cook has spent much of the last decade expanding

nowhere more than in china. in october, cook made his ninth trip there since becoming c.e.o. four years ago. in the last year, apple's sales in china have doubled. will there be, at some point in the near future, a bigger market than the united states? >> cook: yes. i am as certain as i can be of that. >> rose: the numbers simply tell you that? >> cook: the numbers tell us... tell me that. and not just the numbers of people, but the numbers of people moving into the middle class. that, for a consumer company, is the thing that really begins to grow the market in a big way. >> rose: and most americans would be surprised to know that nearly all apple products are manufactured by one million chinese workers in the factories of apple contractors, including its largest, foxconn.

china's vast and cheap labor force is not the primary reason for manufacturing there. so if it's not wages, what is it? >> cook: it's skill. >> rose: skill? >> cook: it's skill. it's that chi... >> rose: they have more skills than american workers? >> cook: now... now, hold on. >> rose: they have more skills than german workers? >> cook: yeah, let me... let me be clear-- china put an enormous focus on manufacturing in what we would call... you and i would call vocational kind of skills. the u.s., over time, began to stop having as many vocational kind of skills. i mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the united states, and probably put them in a room that we're currently sitting in. in china, you would have to have multiple football fields. >> rose: because they've taught those skills in their schools? >> cook: it's because it was a focus of them, it's a focus of their educational system. and so that is the reality. >> rose: manufacturing in china has brought serious labor concerns to apple about low wages, long hours, and unsafe

after a series of suicides at foxconn in 2010, the company installed safety nets outside its employee dormitories. do you have a responsibility to look at the labor conditions in the places where you manufacture, and make sure that whatever might be an incentive for people to commit suicide is >> cook: the answer to your question is yes. we have a responsibility and we do it. we are constantly auditing our supply chain, making sure that safety standards are, you know, the highest. we're making sure that working conditions are the highest. all of the things that you would expect us to look for and more, we're doing it. >> rose: according to its most recent internal review, apple has limited the work week to 60 hours, raised pay, and cracked down on child labor. but 30% of the facilities that make its products around the rld still do not meet apple's

>> cook: we believe that a company that has values and acts on them can really change the world. >> rose: since taking over apple, tim cook has broadened his company's mission beyond making products. apple has invested billions in renewable energy to power its data centers and other operations. cook has also become a strong advocate for human rights. his motives are personal. he grew up during segregation in alabama and, last year, he made a bold public announcement that he is gay. no other c.e.o. of a fortune 500 company that might be gay has come out. you said it was god's greatest gift to you. >> cook: when you're in a minority group, it gives you a sense of empathy of what it's like to be in the minority. and you begin to look at things from different point of views. and i think it was a gift for me.

earlier? >> cook: well, i... honestly, i value my privacy. i'm a very private person. but it became increasingly clear to me that, if i said something, that it could help other people. and i'm glad because i think that some kid somewhere, some kid in alabama, i think if they just for a moment stop and say, "if it didn't limit him, it may not limit me." or this kid that's getting bullied or this kid that's... worse, i've gotten notes from people contemplating suicide. and so if i could touch just one of those, it's worth it. and i couldn't look myself in the mirror without doing it. >> rose: before we finished

to show us "one more thing," as steve jobs used to say-- a glimpse of apple's future. so we packed into four-by-fours, and with cameras, drones, and technicians supplied by gopro, we ascended this giant mound of dirt that has been excavated during the construction of apple's new corporate headquarters. it is the company's biggest project ever. this is like a small city. >> cook: it is. there's about 3,500 people working here right now. and this is what people are "spaceship." >> rose: yes. >> cook: we're going to have about 13,000 people that are working in this circle, and it's going to be a center for innovation for generations to come. >> rose: some have said it's a $5 billion project. >> cook: it's a lot. ( laughs ) it's a lot. it's somewhere near there. >> rose: i knew $5 billion was a lot. >> cook: we think it's so important to have a place that inspires you. >> rose: it's wider than the

completed next year, 80% of the grounds will be landscaped with 7,000 trees and plants. they will produce some of the fruits and vegetables rved in the cafeteria. a natural ventilation system on the roof will allow the building to go without heating or air- conditioning nine months of the year. and the entire facility will be off the energy grid, powered mainly by solar panels. here's what's interesting about this-- it is at the core of apple is this capacity to think about everything as building a product. >> cook: yeah. and this goes down to-- and i think jony will show you some of this-- is it goes to the desk, the chair, the stairwell, the doorknob, the glass... i mean, every single thing. >> rose: apple's chief design officer, jony ive, played a key role in designing the building.

day apple was installing the first of 3,000 sheets of curved glass imported from germany. they will wrap around the entire building. >> ive: this is the largest curved piece of glass in the world. and there will be miles of... of this glass. so when we're standing here, you will get a... just a continuous curtain of glass and no interruption to the views beyond. >> rose: all that stuff we see there is all gone? >> ive: that will be gone. >> rose: where is your office going to be? >> ive: on the top floor. ( laughter ) >> charlie rose talks about apple's code of secrecy. >> rose: i said, "tim, what's going on here?" and he said, "things that we don't want you to see." >> at 60minutesovertime.com. for adults with an advanced lung cancer called "squamous non-small cell", previously treated with platinum-based chemotherapy,

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loved. >> stahl: would you say that fred's in crisis in the movie? >> caine: he's more or less destroyed, as a matter of fact. but you don't know that. and he would never let you see that. >> stahl: we have so much sympathy for him. how... how did you do that? >> caine: i go back to situations in my life, and you can see it in my face. >> stahl: but sometimes, caine wasn't acting at all. in one scene, director paolo sorrentino decided to present caine and his co-star harvey keitel with a surprise. >> caine: we had no idea. we're in a swimming pool. and one of the most beautiful girls you've ever seen comes up with absolutely nothing on and gets in the pool. and we just look in disbelief. and he didn't tell us because he wanted us to have a certain reaction. we just sat there like... who is she? >> harvey keitel: god!

miss universe. >> stahl: how do you think you did in this movie? rate yourself. >> caine: secretly with myself, i regarded it as the best thing i ever did. it was the most difficult. and the criterion for that is i made it look the most easy. >> stahl: so in other words, you've improved? >> caine: i just try to play more and more difficult roles. >> stahl: so... so you want a greater challenge at the age of 82 than when you were alfie? >> caine: i need a challenge because i don't get the girl anymore. >> stahl: right. >> caine: all i get was grandma, you know. >> stahl: what's wrong with grandma? ( laughter ) >> caine: nothing, you know, so long as she's pretty. >> stahl: there's a sense of the futures of these characters closing in on them, that age is shutting down their future. did it, in any way, begin to infect you? >> caine: oh, no. but there was a point in the

feel to be old?" and i said, "i don't understand how i got here." and that affected me like hell. because i was thinking, "that's true of me. i don't understand how i got here." >> stahl: he was born maurice joseph micklewhite in 1933, the son of working class cockneys in the slums of south london, a lot of which have been torn down and rebuilt. >> caine: it was very, very tough. and it was full of razor gangs and all that. is this the london road coming up, mitchell? >> mitchell: on the right-hand side, yes. >> caine: yeah, turn right there, please. oh, look. now, there's an example. i spent my life in the library reading books to get away from this-- that's the library. >> stahl: this pile of rubble? >> caine: a pile of rubble. >> stahl: your library. >> caine: that is my library. i spent my entire time reading books and going to the cinema, just to escape. and they pulled my library down. >> stahl: you were really,

oh, yeah, yeah. but my father was a fish market porter. so i grew up on fish, because he used to steal one a day. i grew up on the very best fish that money could buy, because he only stole the good stuff. >> stahl: caine was determined not to be a fish porter like generations of micklewhites before him. he was going to be a movie star and make a lot of money. at 14, he joined a local acting club. acting was considered sissy- like. >> caine: it was, yeah. >> stahl: were you teased? >> caine: yeah. oh, yeah, but i... you know, you didn't tease me for very long. ( laughs ) >> stahl: why not? >> caine: because you... yeah, that wouldn't go down very well. >> stahl: you'd beat them up. >> caine: yeah. >> stahl: were you that tough? >> caine: yeah. i'm not tough anymore, i'm 82. ( laughter ) >> stahl: at 22, caine was struggling to find acting jobs. on the dole, he had a new wife and a baby, and left them both. this is a very traumatic time of your life, because you really... >> caine: oh, yes.

effect, walked out. >> caine: yeah, well, i screwed up. yeah, i screwed up on everything. >> stahl: you walked out. you walked out on the baby, you walked out on the wife. >> caine: everything. everything, yeah. >> stahl: it wasn't till he was 30 that he got his first big break in the 1964 film "zulu", where he played an upper class british officer. >> caine: oh, when you take command, old boy, you're on your own. the first lesson the general, my grandfather, ever taught me. the luck of it was that the director was an american, because no english director would've cast me as an officer, i promise you. not one. >> stahl: because you were cockney? >> caine: because i was a cockney. >> stahl: the class system was that rigid. >> caine: it was that rigid, yeah. and it holds people back, you know. it really holds... >> stahl: but it makes you angry. >> caine: oh, me, i... you start snobbery with me, and that's one of the times you get into trouble. ( laughs ) >> stahl: he helped trigger the breakdown of that class system with a series of roles he played as a cockney. >> i've had a lovely time,

>> caine: i always say, make a married woman laugh and you're halfway there with her. >> stahl: alfie was a shameless, impudent rogue, and audiences loved him. >> caine: nice, isn't it? >> stahl: starting in the so- called "swinging '60s," his characters personified the working class antihero. >> caine: courtney, i am going to cook you the best meal you've ever eaten. >> caine: with his irresistible charm, he played lovers, fighters, killers, spies, all with his trademark cockney swagger. >> caine: why the hell aren't you here? >> mister... >> caine: carnehan, former gunnery sergeant in her majesty's forces. >> stahl: caine's success got hollywood's attention. soon, he was playing leads in american movies like the classic "the man who would be king." >> caine: glenlivet, 12 years old. >> you have an educated taste in whisky. >> caine: i've an educated taste in whisky and women, waistcoats, and bills of fare. though i've had few chances to

that govern spend all their time making up new laws to stop men like you and me from getting anywhere, right? >> stahl: by 1987, he was one of the most bankable british actors in hollywood, living the life of a movie star in a beverly hills mansion. that same year, he won his first oscar for actor in a supporting role for woody allen's "hannah and her sisters." he played a man who was married to hannah, but had the hots for her sister. >> did you ever read this one...? elliot, don't. >> caine: lee, lee, lee. i'm in love with you. >> stahl: talk about slime buckets, he was it. ( laughter ) and yet, we like you. >> caine: i don't think human beings are bad. they're weak, and that's what makes them bad. and so, i always exposed the weakness rather than the nastiness. but you got the nastiness, anyway. >> stahl: over the next couple of years, he made a few

complain, complain... >> stahl: he came to the harsh realization that his career was fading. >> caine: you don't retire from the movies; the movies retire you. there was a certain moment. i was about 61, 62, 63, or 64, and i got a script. and i sent it back to the producer saying, "i don't want to do it. the part's too small." and he sent it back to me, he said, "you shouldn't read the lover. you should read the father." >> stahl: so he reinvented himself as a father figure, and

>> caine: good night, you princes of maine, you kings of new england. >> stahl: a few months later, he got the ultimate accolade when queen elizabeth knighted him sir maurice micklewhite-- not bad for a bloke from the slums of south london. >> caine: it's the best award i ever had because you get the academy award, it's about a performance. you get a knighthood, it's about a life.

after the knighthood, that you had totally arrived? >> caine: i knew i had arrived. this was proof for anybody who thought i hadn't. ( laughs ) >> stahl: so i should be calling you "sir michael." >> caine: you should be, but i've let you off. ( laughter ) >> stahl: yes, let me off the hook. >> christohper nolan: he's one of the greats. >> stahl: where do you put him? he's up there with who? >> nolan: i wouldn't put anybody above him. >> stahl: director christopher nolan has cast caine in his last six films, including the batman movies, where he plays alfred the butler. at 72, caine started the third act of his career, picking up a whole new generation of fans. >> bats are nocturnal. >> caine: bats may be, but even for billionaire playboys, 3:00 is pushing it. >> nolan: it's an incredible rapport with the audience that he has. and it's to do with warmth and humor, as well as just basic, grounded humanity. feels very real. he is very real. >> stahl: somebody said that a lot of your characters are way out there, and you put michael

solid one. >> nolan: when you see michael in the scene, you do... there's a sort of sigh of relief a little bit. like, "okay, i'm going to... i'm going to have something i can understand here." there's somebody else who's grounded, you know, the way the audience is. >> stahl: what's kept him grounded, he says, is his family. he and his second wife, shakira, have been married for 42 years. they now devote themselves to their grandchildren, and their daughter natasha. >> caine: by the way, here she comes. these are my... these are my two grandchildren with her. hiya, guys, how you doing? >> grandpa! >> caine: yeah! yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. great to see you. lovely. i'm the happiest grandfather in the world, i promise you. >> stahl: the kids are now the center of his life. he says he's like a father to them, so he and shakira are moving so they can live closer and see them more often.

cartoons on television, and a commercial came on for one of the batman series where i played the butler. and then, my grandson looked up at me and he said, "do you know batman?" i said, "yes." he said, "really?" i said, "yeah." i said, "i know him very well." and he told all the boys at school. he said, "my grandpa knows batman. does your grandpa know batman? okay, no. mine does." ( laughter ) >> stahl: caine says he's a happy man, made even happier by the talk that his role in "youth" might get him his fifth oscar nomination for actor in a leading role. and if he wins... >> caine: it would be one of the most important things in my life, you know? it'd be up there with a knighthood. >> stahl: ...you would be... >> caine: i'd be the oldest person. >> stahl: ...person-- actress, actor-- to ever win such a thing. >> caine: i think it would be great for the academy to... to recognize old age. >> stahl: and all 82-year-old men out there, right? >> caine: yeah, yeah, all those 82-year-old men. >> stahl: maurice micklewhite, look at you. >> caine: yeah, i thank god every day.

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