dickerson: jeb bush seems to have found his place by stepping up his attacks on donana trump. will it be enough to revive his campaign? we talked to him in new hampshire. >> someone needs to call him out. >> dickerson: we'll hear from focus group of muslims about donald trump. plus we'll have political analysis and new poll numbers from our battleground tracker. all a aad on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning, welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. democrats held a spirited debate last night in new hampshire sparred on the issues of wall street reform, foreign policy and health care. our new cbs news battleground tracker shows that haak is 5 1/4 points behind bernie sanders in the state of of new hampshire on prepare kay can side with 2%. kid trusses follows with 14. marco rubio at 1 and chris christie moved up into fourth place with 11%.

single digits. during the iowa, it's senator ted cruz who some has taken the lead with 40% support. donald trump is at 31. marco rubio at 12 and ben carson plummeted down to 6%. rest of the field 2% or below. friday we traveled to iowa and met up with marco rubio, w w asked him abut his escalating battle ted cruz. senator, what street this debate between you and senator cruz about on immigration? >> well, ted was much -- in fact was supporter legalizing people that were in this country illegally, he was during the debate he was after the debate. he made it clear multiplpl occasions that he was against citizenship but open to legalization. and then for weeks now on campaign trail he's refuses to answer that question until the other night where he said that he did not intend to legalize people. again trying to find himself some wiggle room. so the bottom line, there isn't

him and i on how to approach immigration. that was the point i was trying to make, this is serious issue that needs to be fronted, every republican running for president has supported or supports legalization in some form or fashion. of people that are in this country illegally even donald trump he just wants to make them leave the country first then legalize them. >> dickerson: is it about immigration are you making larger charge about ted cruz and whether he's being honest and truthful with people? >> i think ted wanted to not talk about realization during primary leave himself being for it in general election. so, obviously getting to the electorate. not the first time. multiple issueshere he's tried to do. this the free trade agreement was up he wrote opinion piece in the "wall street journal" he wrote with it paul ryan. three days later he flipped on it after i don't know why he got some fresh you are on the fast track authority. he's done it on votes on farm issues, changed his vote on the floor of the senate.

facts are prerented but my concern voters nd to -- if you're going to attack someone on policyou need to be clear where you stand. >> dickerson: voters are making decision should they be thinking where ted cruz think about immigration or be making larger questions ted cruz being honest? >> when you spend your whole time telling people that you're a clear talker, you say what you mean, everyonene else is a sell out but you're the only purist, i think it's fair to say, hold on a second, this is wre you've been in the past here is where you are now. truth is everyone running on the republican side supports strong conservative positions, we have some differences on some issues, we should discuss those like national security, for example. but when you run by telling everybody you're the only purist in the field or only one that's always consistent conservative then your record will have light shown on it, in this case has proven thbt in fact, well after the i am breaks debate he was still talking how he was open to legalizing people how important it was to bring people out of the shadows and so forth. national security issue do you

open conversation in the republican party about banning muslims from america and that majority of the party agrees with that idea. right now do you think that is a national security problem? >> well, the statements that people made, it's not serious policy proposal. so, itfuls made for the purposes of recapturing the headlines. donald trump had fallen out of theeadlines because we had largest terrorist attack in american history since 9/11. he wanted to get back in the headlineand came up with something spectacular and outrageous so people would respond and recapture the headlines. it's not a serious proposal. ultimately all of this will pass, it will be the rhetoric and politics of the next president that will determine whether we are safer or not. >> dickerson: i was interested, chairman byrd said does have real danger can be used as recruitment tool from terrorists also want what do muslims feel like who live in the united states that it might alienate them which is precursor for potential -- >> the primary recruitment tool that rises uses they are recruiting people to join their

final showdown in the city against the west. going to trigger this new era in world history. the second point valid one, we will need cooperation and work alongside the american muslims in this country to identify areas where people are being radicalized or things they may see in their community. we are going to need to work with them, most certainly very patriotic muslim americans who love this country would love to share information with us to prevent these attacks. to the extent that rhetoric could prevent people from doing that or make them resistant to cooperating with law enforcement and intelligence agency thats problematic. >> dickerson: another debate on foreign policy was overseas. he said, we need to focus on killing bad guys not getting stuck in middle eastern civil wars that don't keep america safe. what do you make that have? >> he's wrong. because civil war in middle east have direct impact on america. the syrians civil war was not started by the united states it

particularly sunnis who wanted to remove assad. my argument was, this thing is going to spiral out of control, if we don't empower the seculars rebels on the ground they're go can to be killed or forced into ile. and vacuum will be left it will be filled by radical jihaddist, that is who fills vacuums. that is precisely what happened. the argument that assad, we have no vested interest, he's not enemy of america is wrong. for example, assad reason why there's refugee crisis. where are their hundreds of thousands refugees destabilizing europe, trying to come to america, because assad conducting an attack of sectarian cleansing. he is conducting program of gettg rid of all the sunnis, that is forcing hundreds of thousands of people to destabilize europe and jordan and trying to come into the united states. >> dickerson: people are so afraid of, you take assad out we're committed to having to take care of what is left afterward because when you don't eates the failed -- the sunnini peopleill take sea sad out.

civil war that's leading to this sort of vacuum you want it to end as quickly as possible. the longest it lasts the harder going to be to govern that country. >> dickerson: you break it you bought it, even if the syrians are the ones who overthrow we're helping them by that little bit of help we give, puts us on the hook. also afterwards if it's failed state united states on the hook, but our involvement -- >> wouldn't exacerbate. without america firing single butler or providing a weapon there was going to be a civil war in syria that was going to destabilize syria and create a vacuum. our choice, let it play out, you let t play out t t i it leads to the vacuum which leads to the isis fighters or do you do something to end it as quickly as possible so that vacuum created. that is the choice we had three years ago we didn't take it. >> dickerson: you have a new ad that is running it says, quote, all of us who feel out of place in our own country. do you feel out of place in your own country? >> people feel out of place in their own country foror number of reasons.

where you were told your whole life that if you go to school, you get a degree, you're guaranteed the american dream. at least a shot at the american dream. that's not happen canning. you have country where people are told, this is a country where you're going to be judged on your merits on your hard work, that is not happening. increasingly americans feel out of place, because it seems l le the people who have access to power and influence win. and everybody else is left on the outside looking in. and then people are hold traditional values are often described as bigots and haters. >> dickerson: what calls them that? >> everybody on the left. if you do not support their definition of marriage -- >> dickerson: the word bigots and -- who is calling them that? >> the president has on occasion said that people don't support same sex marriage are wrong. >> dickerson: rock is different than -- >> i've been called a bigot for not supporting the definition of marriage. >> dickerson: you say, the "us" are you including yourself in that? >> the traditional values, absolutely i have been called that.

called anti-hispanic, anti-latino by group of obviously people from the left, who argue that unless we agree with them on everything somehow we betrayed our community. this is standard operating practice on the left. >> dickerson: vladimir put in says drum is outstanding and talented personality. is that the endorsement you want? >> i don't want -- vladimir put in is a cost benefit analysis political actor trying to have russia recognized as a great global power on par with the united states who wants the world to return to a steer of influence of. >> dickerson: donald trump seemed to be honored by the raise from putin. >> he shouldn't be. videod mere putin who has killed, he's jailed andurdered journalist,s political opponents, bombed an apartment building as -- he is responsible for the downing of that malaysian airliner over ukraine he provided the anti-aircraft weaponry thahawas used. thth is a person who has done

from a geopolitical realistic level we have to deal with him because he's leader of important country between them and us control over 09 post of the world's nuclear weapons. he's not someone who is going to go down in history as a great leader. >> dickerson: and donald trump mentioned those journalists killings he said, i thihi our country does plenty of killing also. >> i haven't heard him. of course it's outrageous. i don't know single documented instance which the president of the united states ever ordered assassination of journalists who issue coverage of them or taken different political line. we've entered a portiononf this politics whereothing surprises me any more whether it's donald or people watching. >> dickerson: thank you so much. >> thank you. dickerson: from iowa we traveled to the first in the nation primary state new hampshire where we met up with jeb bush. we'll have that interview in a moment. and can you explain why you recocoend synthetic over c car? "super food?" is that a real thing?

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>> dickerson: another escalating feud among republican contenders between front runner donald trump and former florida governor jeb bush. we sat down with jeb bush in new york, yesterday. governor, bush, you and rally here in new hampshire said that donana trump is a jerk, he's chaos candidate, said he's not serious he can't insult his way to the presidency but aren't those all in stilts stealth are you trying to still your way -- >> point out that he's not a serious candidate. his answer about the nuclear triad, for example, was mind blowing. not having any knowledge about what the subject is where you have thiss exclusive responsibility as president of the united states as commander in chief of the armed forces to how to use our nuclear deterrent he no knowledge. he thought come out saying putin is a strong man and a great die, tried to destabilize our relationship with our allies. he's not a serious candidate.

nuclear triad so important, in rld of where, jihad something people are so concerned about. >> it's important because it's been part of the security arrangement that has kept us safe since the post world war ii era. we've seen a lack of investment in it we've seen -- need to refurbish it and strengthen it. the fact that he didn't know what it is one of those questions that i think you have to answer if you're running for president of the united states. but it's not just that. he says that isis is not a threat. two months ago he gets his news from -- he gets the news from the show that he wakes up in t t morning gets his foreign policy and military advice from people that are going on your show but that's not serious man. and when he insults me personally, i don't take it personally. he shouldn't take it personally, either. but someone needs to call him out. >> dickerson: one of his policies that he's put forward this idea of banning muslims from the united states. you said that was -- he was

but majority support show in the republican party, what does that say about those voters who are appealed to by that policy. >> says a lot about donald trump that he would say these things knowing that it might have popular support. but that will wane make it harder to do what we need to do which is destroy isis. you can't do it by banning muslim that's just ridiculous. what people are scared, and when they hear someone that advocates a big position, i can see why people would be -- migrate towards that but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. putin -- >> dickerson: you shade donald trump vladimir putin said, explain why that is a problem? >> pilot tin is organized to challenge the united states across the world now. he views his success by pushing us back. we're losing influence around the world and putin is gaining influence. he's not an ally. he's a dictator.

he has nothing to do -- nothing to admire with him other than fact that he's strong. and we can admire that, we can respect that, and he admires strength, too. we need a president that actually will stand up for american interests in europe or middle east. that's how you create a better relationship with putin. you don't brag about how great a guy he is. he's not. he kills journalists, he -- anybody that opposes him ultimately is pushed away. >> dickerson: the people who are supporting you have been wondering about your campaign say that in this recent mode where you've been more vocal about donald trump, that you have found your voice, do you see it that way? >> you know, i'm not -- i'm in the here and now. i'm fighting the fight. to a certain extent it is a little liberating to be able to post up against guy who is not qualified to be president and to share your vision about the tter way.

meeting where his name doesn't come up where we get to talk about how you fix our health care system and how we destroy isis and how we reengage with the world. >> dickerson: let's talk about isis. in the debate you said that the united states must destroy isis before it destroys us. you think that is the level of the strength that it can destroy -- >> it can stop los angeles school district from opening for two days because of random e-mail from germany. it can change our way of life. it can hurt our prospects economically. it canan destabilize our country for sure. will there be army invading united states, no. we are still capable of defending the homeland from that kind of threat. are we capable of defending against people that are energized by this radical islamic terrorism, that's the halling that we face. >> dickerson: talk about fifiting isis overseas you layout your plans for doing this you said two things.

too much concern about collateral damage, the lawyers are getting in the way of people trying to prosecute the war. arab nations. can't those be in conflict. isn't it the collateral damage that creates atmospheree t tt makes it hard for the arab nations to ally with the unid states? >> we have to be -- have to warfare, for sure. but this president has added additional features. involvement. we send leaflets outed to the truck drivers that are sending diesel fuel across the board in turkeyey saying, keep doing it we're goininto bomb you. we can assume that they're part of the isis network if they're doing that. those things would send a signal to the arab world that we're serious, that would be what we need to do. they need to understand that we're not viewing that as law enforcement exercise. it doesn't mean you're going to automatically just carpet bomb mosul like one of the candidates hahahard time explaining why he would carpet bomb anything. >> dickerson: was that a mistake

carpet bomby is that a mistake to say that? >> there are 080,000 people who live in mosul, 5,000 islamic tear thrusts control the place. we're going to destroy 800,000 lives with carpet bombing activity? this is foolish. absolutely foolili. he had to back away from it was kind of clumsy. he's a gifted speaker, a little untosh see him stumble a bit. but that's what we need to avoid. want to develop the coalition as you ask, you can't talk about carpet bombing mosul or carpet bombing a held territory by isis that brings huge collateral damage. >> dickerson: you say in t campaign people are not saying what they believe or running away. because of the environment of the campaign, is that -- >> yeah, surey else would someone change their views. all of them have. running for president of the united states. you got to have heart for people, you got to understand why people are frustrated. you have to have a mind to be able to come up with creative solutions to fix the things that

you got to have a spine. you got to have a backbone. this is a tough job. think it's hard to deal with angry people about immigration in town hall meeting? yeah, it's nothe easiest thing. but lot harder to deal with putin or the ambitions of china or doing with the stagnant economy. you need somebody whose compass points north who selling to persuade people toward their cause rather than back away whenever there is any pressure. >> dickersonontalk about politics at the end here. six months ago people thought you were the front runner. your campaign -- you hated being front runner. >> i feel much better back here. dickerson: why did you hate being the front runner? >> i've always thought that there was going to be a high expectation for me, i totally get it. >> dickerson: because? >> because i have brother that was president, a father that was president. and that higher expectation was important to realize, so, being

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>> dickerson: last week we brought you some thoughts from voters who supported donald trump. this week cbs news contributor and republican strategist talk to muslims about their thoughts about what is going on in america following the san bernadino terror attack and donald trump's call to ban muslims from the united states. >> some kind of attack in this country, any time there is any kind of crime, i am literally praying. everyone else is literally playing. we're literally praying, when goes i know exactly what is going to happen. we have seen this in decades. this isn't anything new as many people have said. >> that's exactly that. >> i did a poll out across the country to not watch the republican debebe because i knew that that -- subjecting our children to hear the hateful stereotyping and lumping of muslims with terrorism in front of our children something that is psychologically impacting them. that's how deep this is for us.

know the challenges that they face? >> i don't'tant my childldn to subjected to racacm he and vilification of their faith. i will explain to my kids in way that i can speak to them. i wl not allow donald trump to tell my kids how they should feel about being muslim. >> a phrase to describe donald trump? >> exploitive. >> worse than -- psychopath. >> negative. >> i want to know your response, why? >> that's why we're here. i would not be sitting here right now if this wasn't happening. a lot of our voices would not be out here because of him. we are now in the public spotlight. let's use this to talk about who we really a a. let's use this to be like, hey, america, we're americans. don't fear us, okay? fear your crazy politicians who are trying to buy your vote. this gives us a great chance. >> what percent of the muslim community do you think could

to the country? >> in america, maybe less than 1%. >> you all agree -- right. >> donald trump keeps doing what he's doing if he's elected president that number whatever it may be will skyrocket. >> you feel that trump could actually -- >> no. >> let me explain. hehe being ill responsible. the american people need to understand that. the national security agencies have said that his comments might be used as a poster for eyes. he's driving and fueling anger

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facethenation.coco >> dickerson: welcome back. cbs news election director an none knee salvanto with new battleground tracker results. let's start in iowa, ted cruz is on the rise. what's behind that? >> really direct transfer from ben carson voters to ted cruz. you might recall earlier this fall, ben carson was really up there in fact he was tied with donald trump at one 0eu7b9. as his voters have fallen away, they have moved to ted cruz in

else. in fact we reinterviewed those same voters and they told us that in larger numbers, they were choosing cruz. some of them went to trump some wentnto rubio. cruz got the lion's share there. it looks like evangelical voters really asserting themselves here. as they do in iowa, they make up the bulk of the republican caucus goers. if you look at what people say is their number one issue, most it's terrorism. lot to say the economy. those say that faith andnd values and religious matters are number one that's where cruz really has an enormous lead over trump that is the difference. >> dickerson: so, if cruz is pulling from evangelical taking them away from ben carson, what is happening to the trump vote is he staying solid? >> rock steady. you look at thosese same individuals again reinterviewed they stay with donald trump. and his -- >> dickerson: you've been interviewing them over a period of time. there's been challenge after

could knock them off but they're sticking with him. >> they stick with him. as you see in your focus groups and others, everybody says, donald trump said something controversial, he must go down. surely donald trump will go down. he doesn't go down. voters stay with him. republicans say that in general they are glad he says the things that he says. they think, even if they don't agree, although many do that they're glad these things are out there being discussed. >> dickerson: : at's happening th him in new hampshshe as well as pretty much case of donald trump everywhere. what else are you seeing in new york? >> donald trump still at number one. still holding steady. you do see another move there a little bit to cruz from carson, but you've got rubio then in contention in double digits there. everywhere. now, chris christie. he has doubled his support from last time in new hampshire. so he's in that second tier there now. a little bit of evidence that retail politics is helping him, people who say they like seeing

also he, along with donald trump, seen as effective that's how they describe him. that's different from saying marco rubio his calling card looks likes electability. that's different from effective. that's how you define mainstream in that, as voters start to play political consultant, they look ahead to that general election. they're looking for somebody who is electable. where as that group of republicans who think that government doesn't work any more, that's where you go for the effective canned day. they think they can get conservative things done. although i wonder if in an age of jitteriness and fright in sponse to the terror attacks whether effective suns also about what is going to keep me safe as to who can get elected. >> it's certainly is. there's numbers that jumped out here where nine in ten republicans say this they feel

dangerous and insecure. we just didn't seeee those kin of overwhelming numbers no matter what ask you. it speaks to your point about anxiety. also that's layered on top of economic insecurity, too. which has been throughout this whole campaign. again, eight, nine, ten of these voters feel u.s. economic system doesn't help them. when you think of the system doesn't work, not just t tngs are going in the wrong direction that's where you to go a candidate that might say, change the whole system. >> dickerson: all right. if that is what is happening on republican side switch over to the democratic side they had debate last night. what do the numbers show for those three folks? >> hillary c cnton sauce in iowa, berry sappedders in new hampshire. now, in iowa what you see is, bernie sanders everything hard time getting traction. i think that that means that hillary gets lion's share. but what is interesting about this whole race, john, is that

tone and tenor of it but don't want the see them go at each other any more than they already are. we asked them, do you want to see bernie sanders be more critical of hillary clinton and his voters say, no, just fine with that. in fact you ask him how do you feelbout hillary clinton, theyey lili her, but they like bernie sanders better. you ask her voters what they think of bernie sanders' message, they like it. but like hillary better. not ascension of let's be more combative here. it's a family quarterback but not a lot of -- >> dickerson: they can squababe but is all a hug. thanks so much. >> thank you, john. dickerson: we'll be back in a moment. in panama, which is a city of roughly 2 million people, we are having 5,000 new cars being sold every month. this is a very big problem for us

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one i think each of them and each of their campaigns believes that they are going to be in a final showdown with the other. and so they have been preparing for this, they h he done allll the opposition researcrc on one another. it's now coming out. the second is, that cruz's strategy to consolidate a broader piece of the conservative part of the republican party. most conservative part than anybody's ever been able to do. rubio is trying to crowd into some of that territory. so rubio is trying to suggest that cruz is not as conservative say on immigration as he claims. and cruz is trying to hold the line and put down a firmer conservative position the dynamic of that is what we've seen play out this week. >> dickerson: peggy, seems to be cruz ting look at the cruz strategy here which the tie marco rubio to his support of the gang of eight. immigration reform that passed in the senate to just lock him

how damaging do you think that is in the republican side to be associated with comprehensive immigration reform? >> well, we'll see. it's not where the base is. i think if we've learned anything this year, it is that the base of the republican party is against illegal immigration, wants something done. the establishment elites the top, if you will, has for 15 years not been so anti-illegal immigration. there's a difference f. you're a candidate right now you're trying to talk to the base of the party. i've been part of what is going on with cruz and rubio is that by the end of new hampshire, say, there's going to be trump and there's going to be two viable nontrumps andnd each of them, cruz and rubio trying to be the top viable nontrump. i think that is going on. i think cruz -- sorry, rubio is

cruz as someone who simply isn't trustworthy. he doesn't tell you theruth. i think that's what's going on there. >> dickerson: that's the bigger message what he's doing. david, when you look at this, seems like what happened is marco rubio how has to own his sponsorship of the gang of eight. dan said, ted cruz has gone from whatever reason flirting g th the idea of legalization, he says it was strategic move he was doing it at the time, rare corubio said it showed his through intent, his view now, cruz no pass to anybody no how for anybody illegal. which of those positions would do better in the general election context? >> obviously, the more severe position you take against immigration reform the more difficult it is. we saw mitt romney struggled with this in 2012. ended up with 27% of the hispanic vote which was really tripling for him. george w. bush, the last

becoming more diverse country with each election. the interesting thing between fight, rubio clearly trying to obviate what he sees as vulnerability. i think it's larger than the issue itself. notice cruz always calls it the rubio bill. it was the notion that he was police with it democrats the face of the republican part tired of republicans being police with it democrats. they're frustrated they wanted more purity. ted cruz played to that. ted cruz understands where his base s. marco rubio tried to please every faction of the republican party. may just end up as everybody's second choice. >> dickerson: jeffrey, the ad that ted cruz is running if you can get a picture of schumer and rubio in the same frame makes the pointed that david is making. where as the rubio case against cruz is one that is more -- you have to follow what he used to say. >> right.

about trustworthiness. if marco rubio can convince some of the republican base that ted cruz no different than the washington politicians he claims to hate more than anyone else in the race, then rubio feels that he's getting somewhere. but i would go back -- this is the worry if you're a rubio just to add on to something david was saying. the worry that you're rubio that you're everyone fall-back date. he can be extraordinarily popular coming second or third everywhere. i think that is my sense talking to people over the last week is that the rubio campaign now seized by this concern. >> dickerson: what is rubio's path? i spent some time this week talking to folks in iowa they thought, it's not happening here, at the time cruz is on the rise they want to find a path for marco rubio. >> it is hard to find. iowa is not his best state by far. new hampshire is a muddle right now. donald trump stands above everybody else but that stage is in flux, you can see from the

have this morning. how much dynamism there is in that race. south carolina doesn't look particularly good for rubio. there some are rubio people who think it ultimately could be. leaves with you nevada. as we've talked before of the first four states nevada is the fifth. in importance, it just doesn't have the kind of weight that the other three have. he has to figure out a way to be high up in all of those states and hope that that's enough to keep him moving. >> dickerson: that goes back to your point about a nontrump candidate. the way people were talking if they put trump and cruz in the same basket they're looking for mainstream candidate hoping that rubio would come out not being that. he didn't, the field is split there are several nontrump candidates. >> there's the sense that cruz is on the upelateo and cruz on the downe, thereator.

mistake on. the cumulative a neglect of what they say at their debates. i love it that they're fighting and hitting each other over the head and occasionally addressing serious issues in a serious way. but the cumulative effect of these sort of harshness and even unlovingness of their rhetoric on immigration is going to, in the end, hurt them. i also think sort of severity and drama of their language on isis makes them look radical, you know what i mean, as opposed to people -- not panicy, jeffrey, but extreme. do you know what i mean? >> belligerence to the -- yes, but that is the -- you don't have to be belligerent. >> start talking about carpet bombing whole cities. >> and stuff like that you can

very seriousness. but might use this harsh, severe, over the top rhetoric. misunderstanding their own base, i think. >> reality, though, is -- jeff's written about this, there are no easy answers to the situation that we face. and so the substitute for a coherent answer is, let's be as strong, because i think people are tired of the complexity of the situation. and they're responding to strength and that's how -- transsupplies the kind of language that you're talking about. >> they do want strength they don't want bragadochio. >> i don't disagree with you. >> they seem to want that. what is donald trump giving them but bragadochio, whatever he says he maintains his numbers. >> 62 in the debate.

russian planes. >> we for countries, let's remember that there's a primary electorate then there's a general election. i agree with you in the general election that kind of rhetoric can be crippling but in the primary and given sort of red hot nature of the republican base you get the affect that you see with trump. where people are responding. he is the anti-obama. i always believe that the incumbent sets the term of the debate. people never choose replica of what they have particularly the other party. there's no one more anti think sis to barack obama than donald trump. >> dickerson: give us your read on stick on republican side, foreign policy credit kick. there were some proposals where you said that is a distinction from the president that represents clear break envision that people can rally behind? >> the guy with the most original concept is polling at zero, lindsey graham.

the thing that is really noticeable, obviously, republican debate has this unreal quality to it. because they're taking as if president obama is not doing the things he's doing they're talking about -- again we talked about this in the past. there's this kind of pick one from column a and one from column b. everyone has their idea that no fly zone, sunni army materializing out of no where. and these are all things that president obama is trying to some degree -- not the safe zone or the no fly zone but they're proposing tactics and they're suggesting that a war is not actually taking place already. nothing very original that i'm hearing from most of these republican candidates, that's the simple truth of it.

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to like. >> yes, he d. i've been thinking abut this all week. i can't recall similar experience which leading candidate or one. major parties is praising receiving praise from a former kgb, he's a former kgb official who is despot running adversarial country. and trumps approach this this, his pleasure of this seems without precedent. i thought, okay this is the moment when republican base, which is pro-america and anti-russia, might say, hmm, maybe this guy is off his rocker. i don't know. but it seems as if we're just gliding right past this crossed line. the whole point of his campaign seems to be to cross lines. i can't remember -- not since world war ii have felt so warmly about candidate feel so warmly about russian leader. >> dickerson: george w. bush

that -- >> not greatest moment in george w. bush's -- >> doesn't agree with that. trump, you say that you think he's crossed the line maybe people say off his rocker they have had ample opportunity to make this judgment along the way and they rejected it. he seems to be at least with his base impervious to that, the question is -- >> one thing to be bigoted against members cans, but i understand in the politics of the immigration debate. to talk about adversary as someone worthy of praise and worthy of receiving praise. he seems to enjoy flattering. >> i was going to say there's a curious quality about him. we think of hip as the insultnd candidate when somebody or something is nice to him, whether it's a new poll or vladimir putin he embraces that.

so nature of his personality -- he seeks to be liked. >> what they have done -- >> that's the argument. dickerson: the conversation about strength above all he said he's strong and he's leader. when challenged on this, told vladimir putin kills journalists he says america kills people, too. >> yes, that was an unusual -- not totally sure what it meant what he was referring to. >> dickerson: he means in wars, america kills people and so he was drawing equivalent there. >> i'm not sure what he meant. but i think part of the putin-trump story is that people understand that putin loves to make mischief. he has a mischievous side. i think a number of people interpreted putin's praise of trump to be an implicit criticism of obama, who he has been asked about in the past and

this is showing, i don't like obama, i like even this guy better. i think a number of people thought a little bit like that. >> dickerson: david, donald trump also accepting praise and there's in one relationship with ted cruz that are close in iowa, who what do o u make -- but in the debate in particular they chose to be allies. what do you make of that? >> i was kind of surprised by that, i thought that trump -- i think cruz is a real threat to trump. you can see it in his iowa numbers, cruz said some unkind thing about trump in private. he was asked about it. trump had the opportunity to do what rubio trying to do say, you know what, that's what politicians in washington d. they say one thing in a room, to their donors and another thing in public, he said i don't play that game. i tell you what i think. ted, you should speak up here and say to me what you said to those donors in the room. but going to dan's point, he's never reallyy conononted people

attacks s m. >> dickerson: right cruz figured that out. as he said in that room he's hugging him because that trump won't turn his guns on him. >> dickerson: what do you make, dan, of bush's decision to go after trump pretty much every time he speaks now he's got a shot at trump. isishis going to work for him? >> i don't know if it's going to work, john. he's got so many other problems as polling indicates, as we've known for many months. that i don't know whether this will move him into a really competitive position but he's clearly been liberated in some way as he suggested to you to really take on trump. it's clear that he dislikes ump, he thinks trump is not, as he said, a serious candidate for president. it offends him. he is the son and brother of former presidents. he knows what a president ought to look like and trump doesn't fit that model. he's decided to go after him. partly i think to just get it off his chest then see where

also f fedom just another word for nothing. and liberating to be so down low in the polls. >> he neighborhooded a foil. he needed something to define his candidacy and he's found it in trump. the question is, whether there's time. whether ultimately the right guy for these times. >> dickerson: set up for something larger? he seems to claiming that he is. somebody has to stand up for sort of a sense of principles and rules. this is what the republican party is about not just reason -- >> and bush has an opening here. you can be lib braid by losing. all of a sudden you're not fighting to hold on to number one or t t you're wayay back. it's not work can, have good time get serious. bush's opportunity here not to go say, trump is a jerk. it's to do a serious speech and serious statements about what's

be serious and thoughtful about it. >> people have tried that withh little success. beginning with pickeerer rewho gave a very strong -- rick perry who gave a strong speech last july. >> timing is everything. >> the broader public service here for bush to say, if you don't know what the nuclear triad is you shouldn't be president. you shouldn't be running for president. >> dickerson: that's'sast word. thanks, we'll be right back in a moment. proof of less joint pain. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. 's proven to help relieve pain, stop further j jnt damage and clear skin in many adults. doctors have been prescribing humira for 10 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened,

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