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these kids think they are trying out for a new pop culture quiz show. >> i don't think we are supposed to be talking. >> there is an ultimate challenge show. they have no idea we're the ones testing them to see if they'll cheat. >> does anyone know who billy thornton is. >> while their parents and our cameras watch. >> oh, my gosh. >> would your child give in to temptation. >> joshua changed his answer. >> i don't like that. >> we'll tell you what you might be doing wrong. >> i'm a little disappointed, actually. >> and show you how to do it
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right. >> i want you to be a strong person and stand up for yourself. >> please, put away your phone. >> he's doing what i taught him to do. >> natalie morales with "my kid would never do that." >> thanks for joining us. i'm lester holt. we all want our kids to shine in school and on the playing field and so do they. how do we make sure that they do well on their own and not by cheating. natalie morales joins us with important information that can help as we take a look at the secret life of your children. natalie? >> hi, lester. everyone knows that the key to success is hard work. unfortunately, as some kids discover, cheating is easier. but there are some things that you can do to raise a kid who doesn't cheat. now, you may think that your kids would never take the easy way out. but watch and learn. >> i see it every day, every class. >> you just turn to the left and look at the other kid's paper. >> everyone cheats at one time or another.
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>> it's an open secret in just about every american school. >> i'm you up all night studying and then they are cheating. >> experts call it an epidemic. students say it's an art. >> try to be a cheat better cheater than study. >> on the inside of water bottles. >> kids using american sign language. if the teacher is oblivious, you can simply look at a friend and say, what's number three? >> the techniques may change, but cheating has been around as long as teachers have been giving tests. >> when you're really given a conflict, what are you going to do? >> you know, some of you are in high school. >> an expert in teen dynamics and author of a curriculum called, owning up. while some may think that
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cheating is not a crime -- >> your lack of knowledge or lack of ability is going to come forward and not only will you be punished but people will think that you are a fraud. >> that's what happened last fall in a new york suburb where teens from some top rated high schools were arrested for cheating on the s.a.t. they are charged with taking tests for other students. >> the bottom line is, however you look at it, it's very prevalent. >> eric is a professor of psychology at ohio state university. he's analyzed 50 years of data on cheating trends and says by the time kids graduate from high school today, 80 to 85% of them have cheated at least once. >> not everyone but most are doing something that most of us would consider an act of cheating. >> do you think that parents are aware of how extensive cheating
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is? >> no, i really don't. i think most of us think that our sons or daughters wouldn't do that. >> so while we would all like to think my kid would never cheat, you're about to meet some brave parents who are actually willing to find out. all of them say they talk about honesty at home but is the message getting through? tonight we'll watch to see if their kids can resist the bad behavior that's all around. with our hidden cameras rolling, we'll put cheating to the test. when confronted with the chance to fudge a score or cheat on a quiz -- >> number 6, i think it's c. do you think it's c? >> what will these good kids do? >> you cheated so much. >> oh, well. >> and will anyone tell the truth about it later? >> so everything is totally -- that's your honest times and honest scores? we start at a middle school gym
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to find out what these kids will do about cheating in sports. they are here to aud dition forn ultimate challenge for kids. at least that's what they think. >> hi, i'm natasha. >> hi. my name is anthony. >> we'll run them through a series of challenges lead by a personal trainer who will emphasize that they need to do well or they are out. >> if you cannot do better than 30 seconds, you're probably not going to make it. >> what they don't know is that we've rigged the gym with hidden cameras and planted an actress in the group to cheat. >> hi, my name is lauren. >> this dad is confident his son anthony would never do it. >> he's a good student. he's very athletic. he's very competitive. >> does he play by the rules? >> 100% he plays by the rules and i think today he'll get upset if he finds someone cheating. >> briana's mother says that his
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daughter has a strong moral compass. >> she does struggle with peer pressure like a lot her age. >> peer pressure where others are goating her to cheat, how do you think she'll respond? >> i don't think i'll see her cheating because she has too much of a guilty conscience, i think. >> and natasha's mother doesn't think that she'll be pushed around. >> don't think that she will make someone lie or cheat. that's my gut instinct. if i find out otherwise, i'll be very surprised. >> we'll be watching in a room not far away. what will these kids do? >> they are not watching. i'm putting 19. >> when we come back, the moment
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teach. the middle schoolers think that they are competing for an ultimate challenge show for kids. leading researcher says having something big at stake is what motivates some kids to bend the rules. >> it's really, what's the carrot at the end of the stick? if the incentive is big enough for them, then they will cheat. >> being cast on a tv show, probably enough of a carrot there as an incentive? >> absolutely. >> the kids don't know that we've hired an act stress to cheat for the group. our coach explains the competition. >> go. >> the whole group has to race through the obstacle course as fast as possible and record their times on the score. the best score will be the winner and there are two important rules. do not knock over the hurdle. >> if you knock over a hurdle, you have to start all over. >> and no hands to go faster on
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the scooters. >> and you do not use your hands. the coach puts lauren, the cheater, in charge of the clock and then leaves the group alone. >> i'm working on the honor system here because they need me with the other kids. >> go. >> on the first run through, everyone follows the rules. when natasha knocks over a hurdle -- >> oh, how do i put that back up? >> she fixes it and starts again. >> go back, go back, go back. >> but the next time running through the obstacle course, our coach encourages everyone to go faster by using their hands on the scooter. >> use your hands a little bit, just like -- >> briana objects. >> no. >> she's telling her to use her hands and she's like, no, no. >> the group finishes the obstacle course in 33 seconds but our cheater wants to lie and write down a faster time. >> how about we just put 29. >> briana says, no.
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i don't want to be the party popper. >> god, the pressure. >> now our actor finds fake scores we've planted from a competing time. >> guy ohs, teammate's scores are on the back. >> what? you've got to be kidding. >> 20? >> we've got to step it up. >> this group thinks the other team did the course much faster so our cheater goes ahead and lies about their time, writing down 29 instead of 33. but as his father predicted, anthony won't let her do it. >> no, no, no. 33. >> in fact, he stops the cheating by erasing the false time and writing the correct one, 33 seconds. >> no, the thing was 33. >> so far, so good. but the competition isn't over yet. another run through the obstacle course and natasha again knocks over a hurdle, a clear no-no. this time when our cheater tells
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her to ignore the rules and keep going -- >> just keep going. >> to her mother surprise, she does. >> she kept going. >> oh, no. >> how did you do? >> okay. >> our coach comes back to give them another test. try to do the highest number of jumping jacks in ten seconds. >> jumping jack, how many can you do in ten seconds? good luck. >> once the coach is out of the room -- >> three, two, one. >> our actress lauren will start boosting the numbers. >> 16. >> natasha does 16. >> i'm going to put 19. they are not watching. i'm putting 19. >> lauren writes down 19 and this time no one says a word. briana who tried to stop the cheating earlier didn't look happy. >> she looked frustrated, it looked like to me. >> and just like thark the cheater has taken control. this boy does 20 jumping jacks.
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>> 20 exactly. >> but our actress wants to write down more. anthony stood up to her moments earlier but now -- >> 21-ish. >> anthony caves and shrugs as our cheater writes down a false number, 21. the others stay quiet, too. >> okay, y'all, do you see what is happening here? they are all agreeing? >> yeah, they are just going with the flow. >> putting numbers up that they know is not the right one. >> something is going on with him because he's very quiet. >> when i go in, they tell me the scores are all correct. in fact, they say lauren did a good job as scorekeeper. >> she was good with that, got it right every time? >> yeah. >> really? let's see if they stick to that story when they hear this is not an audition. >> you are going to be on tv but the show is date ooline nbc and it's a special report on
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cheating. and we have cameras throughout the room. your parents have been watching. >> their faces. did you guys actually do 21 jumping jacks? >> no. 19. >> 19? >> yeah. >> why did you guys go along with 19? >> peer pressure. >> yeah, peer pressure. i was trying to go out against her and four out of five people said go up because we wanted to get on the show. >> briana tells me that while it was wrong it was too hard. >> they are the ones taking over. it doesn't feel right but it's complicated. >> it doesn't surprise me that she would say that. she talks about peer pressure a lot. i think she struggles with it. >> these things do happen. >> it's a story who rosalyn has heard before. >> it was complicated because she was trying, it wasn't
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working. what is the point of speaking out when i am just going to be overridden. >> here are your parents. >> it's peer pressure. i want to be in. >> i think it's really important for parents to realize how powerful group dynamics are, not just for kids but for all of us. >> did you actually realize what was going on with the numbers and stuff like that? >> yes. >> okay. >> so for these kids and parents, a lesson learned. >> so as a father now, what do you talk to him about when you're driving home today? >> this was peer pressure and it was with five other kids and he just went along with the flow and he didn't put a stop to it and that's something that we need to bring up and talk, because i have two other children. >> we'll see. we'll see. >> we got another group of parents ready to find out if their kids have what it takes to stand up to the cheater and this time we meet a mom who makes a surprising prediction. >> so you think she's going to join them in the cheating? >> yeah. >> will her daughter prove her wrong? coming up --
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we are in a middle school gym rigged with hidden cameras as a group of parents prepare to watch their kids struggle with an ethical dilemma. what will happen when they are given a chance to cheat? >> hi, i'm julia. >> my name is miranda. >> miranda's mother knows how powerful peer pressure can be. she says her daughter is the go along to get along type and suspects she might just join the cheaters. >> i think miranda might even help them do it. >> so you think she's going to join them in the cheating? >> i love her to death but she is so kind -- >> she's a people pleaser? >> oh, yeah, she wants to make everybody happy. >> the parents of xavier and julia predict the opposite, predicting their kids will stand up to the cheaters. >> i'm thinking she's not going to follow the crowd if they are
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doing something inappropriate or there's something that i wouldn't approve of, but i guess we'll find out. >> the kids race through the obstacle course as fast as they can. the first time through, they do it in 40 seconds. >> i got 40. >> but later the actress they planted to cheat wants to change the time to 34. right away, miranda speaks up but not in the way her mom predicted. >> i think we should keep it. >> why? who wants to be on the tv show. >> but i want to be truthful about it. >> that's huge to be able to speak out like that. >> just keep going. >> they do the obstacle course again, this time in 29 seconds and listen to what miranda says when the cheater writes down 20. >> you don't want to be on tv? >> i do but i don't want to be a cheater. >> when miranda does 19 jumping jacks -- >> why don't we put 20?
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>> i'd rather be 19. >> i'm just saying who wants to be on the tv show. >> i will, but not like that. >> what do you mean like that? >> i will know and i can't live with the guilt. >> she's giving that girl a hard time. >> she's getting angry. >> i'm going to put you on 20 and move on. >> no. >> why not? >> fine. i'll put 19. >> thank you. >> she's ticked right now. she's got a look on her face. >> and when the coach comes back and mir randa's mom is shocked what happenses. >> it wasn't truthful. >> what do you mean? >> it wasn't truthful. >> miranda is showing you up here. >> she definitely makes the right decision when the time is right. i'm impressed. i'm very impressed. proud of my girl. >> then i tell them why they are really here. >> we're doing a show on
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cheating and your parents have been watching. so they are actually very proud of you because you guys did call lauren out on cheating. >> good job. >> miranda, your mom -- >> i'm sweaty. >> i love you. >> miranda didn't know her mother was watching today but rosalyn says when talking to kids about ethics, it's a good idea to simply imagine being watched all the time. >> i would think about, who is the person that we respect most in our life and just about the time we're thinking about doing something isn't ethical, don't know, basically have the person in your head acting like the camera. if if this person was -- >> i didn't think you would react that way. miranda's mother leaves corrected and proud and while her daughter did the right thing today, rosalyn says there are more that parents should be talking about with their kids. in the real world, standing up for what is right is not always popular. >> what are you going to say to
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the people who get angry at you? >> you can't guarantee that people are going to thank you for it. >> there's no doubt that standing up to cheaters is hard. but it may be even tougher in our next test. relieving the gym to take the test in the library and students tell us that most kids think cheating in school is no big deal. >> people go crazy if people cheat on sports but in school i don't think people really care as much. >> no one cares if people cheat in school. >> cheating researcher. >> is there a difference in cheating in sport and academics? >> there's a difference in terms of what is tolerated. you're a bad sport if you cheat in sports and where in some schools it is cool to be seen as cheating on academic things. >> we hired two new actors to play the cheater. what do you think will happen? >> did you put d?
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>> yeah. >> oh, my gosh. when we come back, everybody's doing it, or at least it seems that way. >> it's art abrams. >> all right. thank you. >> and after the test, the lessons begin. >> so you are not in trouble, okay? so everyone take a deep breath. >> -- when "my kid would never do that" continues.
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no! >> we've seen how some kids react to cheating in sports, even when it would benefit their own team. >> i will know and i cannot live with the guilt. >> now we're in a school library and both experts and kids tell us cheating in school is the norm. >> so many students see it as so prevalent and prolific that they don't see it as really a big, big transgression. >> these parents are hoping their kids would never cheat but are they ready to find out? >> if you're not honest with yourself, you know, you dig yourself a hole. >> i know. i'm so excited. >> sasha's mother says that he's a happy go lucky, friendly kid. they talk about honesty all the time. >> you have to be honest with not only yourself but with your friends and family. >> so what are your predictions of what will happen today? >> i hope that he does the right
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thing. >> emma says that her daughter is a conscientious student. she remembers what happened back in elementary school when a classmate tried to copy her work. >> did she tell the cheaters at that time? >> she did. >> but will she speak up today? >> how do you think she'll react when the cheating starts happening around her? >> i think she will be very stressed and nervous. >> and gianna admits she's not sure. >> kids act differently when they are not with their moms, don't they? >> sasha, gianna, and emma think they are here to be tested on pop culture. a dry run, our producer tells them, for a game show that nbc is developing. >> we need your help to develop this new show. >> the questions will be about tv and music, light-hearted stuff, but it's the competition that experts say motivates some kids to cheat. the parents are much waing as we
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give these kids their first task, an individual quiz. >> we want to get a sense of how much you know by yourself. >> any student knows that means no talking. hidden cameras are rolling and our producer leaves. it's pin drop silent until the two actors we've hired to cheat break the rules. >> miles, for number 6, i think it's c. do you think it's c? >> i put d. >> did you put d? >> as her mother predicted, emma looks nervous. >> i just saw your daughter look at the door. >> she did. >> is somebody watching? >> but sasha, the social butterfly, joins the conversation with the cheaters. >> you guys watch "glee," right? >> yeah. >> which one is 8? >> i think it's art tea. >> emma, the serious student, tries to tell the group to stop talking. >> i don't think we're supposed to ask each other answers. >> hold on.
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i kind of want to change that now. >> so change it to b. >> and watch what sasha does now. >> oh, my gosh. >> so sasha changed his answer. >> but they were all talking to him, too, and comparing. it's not like he was the only one. >> so how did you feel seeing sasha -- >> i don't like that. >> time now for a group test. >> you have to collectively decide what you think the answer is. >> we put our actress in charge of writing down the answers that come up together. >> yes. >> and now that they are no longer cheating, emma seems to relax. >> prince william got married earlier this year. what is the name of his new wife. >> pippa middleton. >> you watched the royal wedding? >> yeah. >> see, they are getting along so well that the next challenge is going to be tough for anybody. >> it's going to be hard for them to confront. >> we rigged the group test with
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a second cheating temptation. an answer sheet is stapled to the back of the quiz. when our actress finds it, it will look like our mistake. so as the questions get harder -- >> for each of these young stars, give the names of their famous siblings. >> oh, my gosh. >> our act stress seems to discover the cheat sheet. >> these are the answers. >> i'll rip this out and put it in my pocket. >> sasha appears to be celebrating the group's good fortune. >> oh, these are the judges. >> he excitedly reads off the cheat sheet. >> adam levine -- >> he's celebrating their answers to the questions. >> i'm very uncomfortable about it. but he'll learn from this experiment, that's for sure. >> as the group copies down answers, emma starts to look uneasy again, especially when they discuss what will happen
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when their quiz gets checked. >> they are going to be like, they are really smart. >> it makes me sad that she doesn't feel comfortable enough to say, hey, don't do that, you guys. >> now i head into the library to ask them about this test. >> did you have fun? >> yes. >> you guys seem to really know your pop culture. very good. then tell them what our show is really about. >> this is actually a show on nbc but it's a show on cheating. we have hidden cameras all around the room and your parents have been watching. >> i was going to say, oh, my gosh. >> emma admits that as one of the younger kids in the library, she felt helple. >> i didn't think we should cheat but since i was younger, i felt embarrassed to say so. >> so you are not in trouble.
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okay? so everyone take a deep breath. >> she says that with so many kids in schools cheating, it can start to seem normal, even necessary, even though it's wrong. >> i should have said something but i was kind of -- i didn't really want to say something. >> is honesty important to your parents? >> uh-huh. >> like super important? and then you get into these situations and it's a lot tri trickier, right? >> parents say, it's important to be honest, don't lie. but we don't give them a context of what that looks like. so cheating is a specific way of being dishonest. so i would be very specific with kids about what honesty looks like to you. >> hello. >> she tells kids point blank cheating equals lying. so in this case it's a learning experience for both mother and son.
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>> you've got a voice. use it. try to make a wrong into a right. it's easy to get sucked into a bad situation. >> yeah. >> but this situation came up again. are you going to remember what happened here? >> i would probably tell them to stop. >> probably? >> no, i will tell them to stop. >> good lesson learned. good job. want to get some ice cream? >> but there's another group of kids waiting in the wings and this time the cheating escalates to a whole new level. >> should i just search the answers? >> coming up -- >> you've cheated so much. >> it's not that big of a deal. >> oh, but it is. >> this is an nbc "dateline" show that we're doing about cheating and you ♪
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house to reflect the sun's rays back into space to try to reduce climate change. but there are easier ways to go green. like turning off the lights when you leave a room. you could save the tin foil for leftovers the more you know. can you tell the collin family from the kardashians? these kids think they can. >> my favorite show is america's
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got talent. >> the kardashians. >> they are here for a pop quiz. but that's just a ruse. they are about to be confronted with the dilemma that their moms and dads never had to think about when they were in high school. >> people use the internet all the time in class. >> just a touch of a button and you can get the answer you want. >> kids are using technology so often in integrated ways to get information about everything. but when you are specifically told, do not use them and you use them anyway, then you are cheating. >> so before the quiz we make sure to give them this important instruction. >> you can't have any cell phones to look up answers. >> kyle is an honor roll student who's just been promised his first cell phone as a reward for good grades. >> have you talked to him about cheating and the consequences of cheating? >> yes, we do.
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we say, if you see someone doing something that is not right, you need to say to him, this isn't right. i'm walking away from you. i'm not doing what you're doing. >> jasmine's mother says she's been trying to teach her daughter to stand her ground with other kids but she's not sure what will happen today. >> and what if she goes along with the cheating and participates in the cheating? how will you feel about that? >> i'm not going to be angry. that just goes to show me that there's more that we need to work on and talk about. >> jasmine and kyle are in the library with 12-year-old abby and the actors that we've hired to cheat. our producer tells the group that the higher they score, the more likely they will get a shot of being on the show. >> we'll ask the groups that we think do well to come back and audition for us. >> we leave them alone. hidden cameras rolling. >> miles, right? >> yeah. >> and our cheaters quickly break the first rule. no talking during the individual test. >> if we put higher numbers,
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does that like increase our chances? >> probably, yeah. >> and once the cheaters are talking -- >> wait. you said justin bieber? >> all the kids start sharing answers. >> jada smith. >> emma roberts, i don't know the answer. >> it's a pop quiz about culture, not history. but listen to what kyle says. >> i don't think we're supposed to be talking. >> no one's going to hear. >> and yet all of them, including kyle, keep going. >> does anybody know who billy thornton is? >> i don't think we're supposed to be talking but he's still asking the question. >> they are all comparing the answers. >> mine's asking all of the questions. >> next, a group project, sharing allowed. >> what position does derek jeeter play for the new york yankees? >> shortstop. >> the kids work together as the questions get tougher. >> name the parents of the
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cullin family in the twilight books series. >> name the kardashians all in order. >> there is kim -- >> kim. >> khloe is the oldest. >> no, that's the mom. >> when they get stuck, the actors propose a new way to cheat. >> does anybody have their phone? >> i don't even have a phone. >> i still have mine. >> should i just search the answers? >> no. >> just google it? >> no. >> and while kyle and the kids voice their concern, the actor pulls out the phone anyway. they look uneasy but no one tells them to stop. >> in order, it's kris, courtney, kim, khloe and kendall. >> i think because everybody is having a good time talking, she's just going with it, going with the flow. >> i'm a little disappointed,
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actually. >> the name of the parents of the cullin family. >> come on, kyle. say something. >> what would you have liked him to say? >> put the phone away, i don't want to get in trouble. >> do you think in a similar situation you would do that? >> now, yes. >> we've cheated so much. >> it's not a big deal. >> when the quiz is over, these kids reveal something that makes their parents happier. the conversation turns to smoking and drugs. >> i don't get why people would do drugs. i mean, it's -- >> either do i. >> but why would you do it? >> see, that's good. we got a little good out of it. >> hi, guys. howre you? >> good. >> but back to the quiz, how do you think they'll explain some of those answers we know they looked up online? >> the kardashians, i'm impressed. >> we watch the kardashians take new york and -- >> oh, okay. so you knew all of the kardashians? >> i knew a lot of them yeah. >> really? i wonder if they watch "dateline." >> this is an nbc "dateline"
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show that we're doing about cheating and your parents have are been watching you guys. how do you guys feel? >> busted. >> all of them say it was the heat of the moment that made them act like they normally wouldn't. >> my stomach kind of was like turning and it was like, uh -- >> taking out the phone and finding papers, it's something that i don't like to do. >> so what should a teenager do when other kids cheat? rosalyn comes in with some advice. >> it's not like you're going to find somebody cheating and say, oh, my gosh, miles, you are cheating. that is so bad. that's against school rules. you have to stop that right now. because then you sound like an after school special which is weird. >> much better she says, be short and firm. >> you don't have to have lond wind long winded sentences.
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>> so annoying. he's not listening. >> stop. >> do you think you could do that? >> yeah. like one of my friends, i would definitely do that. >> kyle is relieved when his mother tells him he still gets to buy that cell phone he's been promised. >> did you learn anything from this? >> yeah. >> but jasmine is nervous. what will she say when she faces her mom? >> i lied for like everyone. we all lied for each other. so i feel guilty about that. coming up -- one final test. >> his name means to be truthful and honest, upright and righteous.
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>> and their parents saw it go down on camera. >> the whole time, my stomach is turning and my heart is beating. my heart is beating still. >> jasmine says she's disappointed in herself and feels she's let her mother down. >> hi. >> we reunite them in the library. >> i feel guilty. >> why do you feel guilty? >> because i lied for like everyone. we all lied for each other. so -- i feel guilty about that. >> how does it make you feel. >> she's going to make me cry because she's crying. >> but this mom knows her daughter's heart is in the right place. the rest just takes practice. >> first of all, you're here because i want you to realize how important it is for you to be strong, to be a strong person and really stand up for yourself and it's hard. not everybody does it. there's adults that don't do it and i know it's hard because i've been there. >> you know what you stand for. >> yeah. >> they said, i don't really know why i cheated. i was raised better than that. i know that that's wrong but i did it anyway.
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that's an amazingly important experience for a kid to have and then be able to talk about it with their mom or their dad. >> we put these kids at pretty tough situations. if the tables were turned, how do you think the grownups would react? >> i think that they would do the same thing. it's easy to look at kids and say, that's kids doing this. this is often something that we can get caught up in easily. >> so what can be done to reduce cheating in schools and make easier for for honest kids to stand their ground? there is a proven solution. how can we reduce cheating? >> i know this is a tall order but in deemphasizing the absolute total importance of the grade. it's one of the strongest predictors of whether or not kids cheat or not. >> researchers say that when parents talk about knowledge more than grades, cheating goes down. >> in other words, you got a c. you didn't learn all of the material. you're going to have to go back
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and learn the material and retake the test to get an a. the goal here is not for me to say you're a c student. the goal is for you to learn the stuff. >> if you're focused on grades, grades, grades, they are going to hear you and you're attributing to a situation that they will more likely cheat. parents have to hear it. >> so with the next group of students, we put that idea to the test. this time, when our producer gives instructions, we make the competition less competitive. >> all we need to know is you can get them wrong. >> will it make a difference? between sisters christina and patience, and kcassie, an honor student who doesn't like kids to copy her work. >> she felt that that was doing them a disservice because they are not learning by that. >> and 11-year-old tray for
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short. >> actually, his name means to be truthful and honest, upright and righteous. >> can tray live up to that big name? he's the youngest kid we're testing today. >> so i'll give you a few minutes to do it. >> once again, the actors chart cheating during the individual tests and the twins go along helping each other out. >> that maternal bond. >> should have split those twins up. >> what is the name of justin bieber's new perfume. >> but here comes the real test. now as they are all working together on the group project, the cheaters pull out the cell phone to look up an answer. >> hold on. let's just use glsh no, don't. >> both cassie and tray are adamant. don't do it. >> no, that's fine.
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you don't have to. because i think -- >> please don't. please don't. >> it's the boldest push back we've seen in the library yet. >> okay. put away your phone. please put away your phone. >> no, you can just watch the door. no, please stop. no. >> can i have a cell phone? >> no. >> we're just going to shut it off. >> no. >> please, put away your phone. >> you want to get on the show, don't you? >> yeah, but i don't want to get on the show cheating. >> doing what i taught him to do. >> put away your phone. >> i put away my phone. happy? >> and when they find the cheat sheet that we planted, cassie actually tries to take it from the cheater. >> give it to me. >> stop. >> remember, we deemphasized the importance of getting all of the answers rights and it seems to have made a difference. cassie is so confident that cheating is unnecessary that when our producer comes back in, she doesn't hesitate to tell the truth about what is going on.
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>> the answers for the last set of questions were on the back of it. we just wanted to let you know. cassie, what she did, that's amazing. >> i really didn't expect it. >> you're here because we are doing a "dateline" episode about cheating and your parents have been watching. >> i'm going to get you, dad. i'm going to get you. >> you all did a great, great zob what happened there doesn't surprise me a bit. when the emphasis is on knowledge, kids are not likely to cheat because it doesn't buy you anything. it doesn't get you anything. >> of course, grades will still be a part of school but experts say parents need to strike the right balance at home. raising kids who would never cheat is an enormous challenge, whether it's teaching them to stand up for what's right or to bounce back when they don't. >> good job. >> our children are going to do things that we are not proud
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