device you've heard so much about and the google driverless car. "popular science" calls sebastian one of the five most brilliant people in the world. joined by mike cray of "investors business daily" and mikhail levram of "fortune." do you know who the other five were or other four? i'm going to guess guy ckawasak coming on later is waving he's probably one of them as well. that's five. sebastian, the idea that we're doing online courses i think makes total sense as a father who is about to put a child into college, love it. i am disheartened as the setup piece said that the primary reason that it seemed at san jose state made the deal with you, at least to begin with, was they were having kids come into the system who did not know enough and needed to take these courses just to get them up to speed. that's -- that's disheartening.

>> yes. disheartening. close to 60% of the california students that go to college aren't ready and fail the entrance exam. instead of studying they are going to remedial education which is the worst space, and they have to take remedial courses in the year. otherwise they will get kicked out. >> at a time they can't get into classes they need, they have to get into classes that aren't quite up to the speed that they need and that's where udacity begins with and eventually you'll offer more. >> and it gets worse. a four-year degree takes six years. two years, a lot of money on top that have. >> i went through the california state school system, and i for about a year after finishing school had nightmares about not being able to get into the classes that i needed to get in order to graduate and not graduating, but i did, but i wanted to ask. you set out the first kort course that you taught through

udacity was artificial intelligence for the stanford course. you're doing remedial algebra and stuff. did you intend on doing this? >> didn't intend any of this and i took my stanford class a year and a half ago through a single e-mail and 160,000 students signed up. we were blown away. everybody was blown away by the need of the world population to have access to education and it dawned on me there's a real access project and while we were working on it i got a phone call by a game named jerry brown. i'm your governor. i'm your fellow citizen. what can i do for you. we have a crisis in california. 470,000 students wait listed at community college and our student are going to oregon and other places and can you help. i said sure, sir. >> let me ask you. because we're talking about two different sets of student. the students who are motivated to take artificial intelligence

for one thing and remedial students are another kettle of fish all together. for online education, is it -- it would seem like the people taking remedial classes they would need, you know, one-on-one help in classroom type stuff as opposed to the online stuff. >> and they do, absolutely. but here's an interesting fact. for the super highly motivated students that take these classes right now, you can find that when they start their class and when they finish, maybe 5% survive at the end, okay. so even at san jose state, if you added to that formula of people, we added human mentors and human tuiteors and access to the instructor, and we just finish admit-term exam for a stats class, statistics class and we had 100% retention. 1 100% of the kids took that class, and the performance in the online class was slightly better than the inclass performance of students. >> you have been deemed or massively online open courses have been -- college courses onlines, let's just call it as

that, have been deemed, oh, look at the dropout rate and it's trum douse. it's apples and o. one is free, it might be interesting to take this and 100,000 people sign up and the other one in the case of the san jose state, have you to take this claeys class forward to get into san jose state and you have to pay for it as well. that's going to be a totally different retention level. >> yes. >> because there's motivation there to stick with the course. >> we've been very fortunate, the bill and melinda gates foundation funded all the tuition, it's actually free for student right now, but you're right. it's highly motivating to know that you go to school for life and won't get a college education if you don't pass. 60% of the kids don't pass and on top of it the classes, they can take straight college as a way to advance themselves and the statistics class i was talking about, take the credit into the uc system and get ahead of everybody else in the university of california system. >> you're just starting and

piloting with san jose state university, and the courses are still kind of limited. i mean, does this work for any subject, any school? are you going to do foreign languages? you have a lot of mathematics and computer science type courses right now. >> what udacikty does best is certainly more technical skills and things that we like the immediate response. >> i want you to continue. with auto grading, you're saying the robotic grading, in other words, math problems are either right or wrong and there's no subjectivity to it. continue, i just needed to get that clarification. >> absolutely correct. so we love it when the learning experience feels like playing a video game and in a video game like angry birds, you play something, and instantaneously you get feedback of what you're doing and get a second or third

chance. don't do as well when it comes to philosophy and the turnaround time with people is actually much, much longer. having said this, we can certainly work with any school. we're doing pilots to understand how the pedagoggeorgy should wo online and bring scale to it. i admire henry ford who brought scale to automobile manufacturing and we should bring scale to education. >> is there a replacement for conventional high education or a complement to that? >> right now we're really focusing on access. bring higher education to high school student and bring a.p.-like classes and we signed 50 oakland students up to students that never would have had access and it will level the playing field, people of color and economic disadvantage have access to so eventually i think it's going to be a pillar of higher education that people will use because it's more flexible and less expensive and

reaches more people. >> let me break in. we eel take a quick commercial break and be back with more from sebastian thrun of udacity in just a second.

. welcome back to press. ier. i'm scott mcgrew. we're talking with sebastian thrun of udacity and google. the taxi drivers responded to google negatively and college professors are feeling same similar threatened by online courses. i could teach as college professors 100 or 200 kids. can you take it over and teach tens of thousands of them. that's bad for me. >> not necessarily. good if you reach 10,000 students. >> if i'm guy, yeah, but if i'm not guy. you see where i'm going with that though? >> yeah. we've talked a lot to the union

of the system and they posted a very nice statement about us on the home page because we're not pitching ourselves against their professors and enhancing them into people who otherwise have no access whatsoever so now the professors can reach high school students they could never reach before. >> see where you're going with that. you can also admit that there would be -- when it comes to sheer numbers, you need "x" number of professors to teach "y" number of students. if i can increase that "y" i can reduce the "x." >> my passion is with the students. i think the students at this point pay too much for tuition and for many of them accessing high quality education is a real obstacle. we offer udacity classes by companies, like 50,000 kids for taking a google-sponsored class is not a threat to anybody except to bring access of high quality material to people everywhere in the world. >> what makes a teacher good at teaching a course online? not everyone is solomon kahn so

what makes them good or bad? >> i love that guy. that seems to be the harder people because of udacity brainwashing and a similar thing to changes. most of us are used to lecturing, and i'm like that myself, but online lecturing is real dull and boring and we know for a fook if you compete with lecturing or facebook, facebook will end up winning. we make your material to the student and rather than telling the solutions, let them find solutions themselves and when that works it becomes more like a video game than a regular lecture. >> sebastian, can we take about some of your side projects for just a minute. google glass is going to hit the market very soon. everybody is talking about it, and you made it. you invented it. you are a team. you're going to say you're part of a team. >> there's a fantastic team that was all involved. >> people love talking about it.

>> i had the fortune to learn from the best, and i would say larry is part of my inspiration, and what they do really well is look at something and say what is the fundamental game shifting and we understand computation closer to people and they would say, look, this wouldn't be in your pocket, should be much closer. brain implants hurt and are quite expensive and not quite there yet. >> were you speculating. >> with google glass you might have actually tried it. >> i wouldn't be able to tell you. cameras straight to the eye, it's just sheer magic and credit sergei and larry and others with the invention. >> where do you see google glass in three years? where is that product going? >> i've been wearing it for a lot, many, many months now. >> it's not distracting? >> in one-on-one conversations. there's moments, but we moved the display above the eye so

it's not in the eye and we moved the speaker out of your ear so it's not in your ear and the aspiration you is live a normal life and still have access. >> people look at you like you're crazy when you're walking down the street with them. >> i don't know yet. >> have you not walked down the street wearing them. >> oh, yeah. >> i would imagine silicon valley most people stop him and say you're wearing google glass. >> got a lot of positive responses because it's very new. >> google glass. >> not google glasses. >> i think you're going to lieutenants branding, like people started calling it the itouch instead of the ipod to you. people will call it what they want to call it. >> years people will say why don't you have your google glass? >> aren't they partnering with -- >> i wouldn't be able to comment on that. >> well, you see right now it's being designed by google. they have an amazing design team, fantastic job as a team.

>> we have about two minute left. i think the next one we've got to ask about is the autonomous cars. >> oh, boy. >> we were just floored when google said, oh, by the way, we were driving robot cars around, and you had a heavy hand in that as well along with the team that works with you. >> it's just an amazing thing to do because it's so logical. just as much as udacity -- >> why? >> it's going to be a reality? >> driving down 85 now. >> it's happening a little bit. >> it's amazing and cool. >> safety weighs. >> 1 million people are lost to traffic accidents every year, convenience-wise. the average american spends an hour a day commuting, and even in a sports car, you would still hate the commute and you can sleep in your car. >> oh, i would love that. >> have you sat behind the wheel. there's always a driver. >> at this point there's a

driver behind the wheel. >> and i assume you've sat behind it. >> sat behind it a lot. >> hours and hours. >> when i go on vacation. >> that first time you got into traffic, were you thinking i have coded this thing so well that it's going to be great, or did you think -- >> no one is listening, no one is listening, the first time in traffic it was certainly a moment of hope, i would have called it faith-based driving. we made sure we had tested this thing closely on closed circuit situations and it's more like a cruise control so any mistake, and i can tell you, there are moments when we took over, otherwise we would have had a crash. entirely safe. half a million miles. caused by humans bumping into it. >> thrun, looking forward to riding into an autonomous car. >> a pleasure. >> up next, the irreplaceable

guy kawasaki longtime apple evangelist buys an android phone and goes to work at the competition and, oh, by the way, he's written another book when "press: here" continues.

welcome back to "press: here." every football fan knows joe montana played for 949ers until he didn't and played for the kansas city chiefs. jerry rice was a 49er until he was an oakland raider. in that vein, every tech fan knows guy kawasaki was an original employee of apple and first evangelist of the apple macintosh computer. he played for apple until he didn't. kawasaki works for google or more specifically google company motorola. he told a crowd last week real men use android.

we'll ask him about that, but we should note it would be impossible for guy to show up without a new book called "author, publisher, editor." and i have a cope. guy kawasaki, thanks for being with us this morning. first of all, what are you doing for motorola? >> first of all, this is the first and last time that my name will ever be mentioned in with jerry rice. unlike people with cannon, like joe montana and jerry rice, guy kawasaki. so cross that off the bucket list. >> yeah, absolutely. >> so for motorola i'm an adviser to the ceo and i work primarily on marketing and user interface, user design, social media. >> the alicia keys of motorola. >> oh, god. >> first of all, i actually use a motorola phone. >> okay. >> that's a big difference already, and secondly i don't have as much talent as her. >> why did you cross over to the other side?

>> the other side, meaning from ios to android? >> i happen to think android is a better operating system. there are things that you can do with android historically and something that apple has caught up. for example, you could not get 4 g for a long time and i like to change keyboard, smart keyboard or swipe keyboard. can you swap the default applications. you're not stuck with safari. there are people who just want an open system, they don't know why but they somehow thinks it is better. i don't really care about open or closed. i just think the actual delivery or actual final product is better. i don't care if it was open or closed or rubbing two sticks together. not a philosophical system for me. i think android has better

features. >> why motorola? >> motorola is the next, no pun intended of smart device, google and google plus, and android, and, you know, i'm kind of a warrior and a warrior needs a war and just the thought of competing with apple and samsung appeals to me. >> are you actually an evangelist for motorola? is that your title. >> that's what he's doing now. >> might as well be. >> you can only change so much about a person. >> i do find it astounding that ten years ago cell phones were something that were made in finland, and now the discussion is, you know, is it money van view or cupertino where it's going to be victorious? >> the world has changed. the world has changed a lot. >> it has, it has. >> i think we're catching up in a sense because america is late to mobile devices. we're catching up. >> motorola has a lot of

catching up to do, right? >> what are your priorities now? >> i think the priorities from my perspective is cool devices. if you look at apple in 1998 which was a very bad time. emilio was coming and going and steve was coming and going, and 1998 is just after steve really took over and the first line of computers he shipped were the g-3 imax which were the colorful imax, the tangerine, blueberry, you know, and i think that that was a turning point in a. a simple thing like changing the industrial design, changing the color, and i think that 1998 apple is like 2013 motorola. we need that thing that feature, that salient difference with the rest of the market that changes the perception. >> given the apple/samsung trial, do you sit when you see cool devices where you have to sensor yourself, when you know what's on the apple iphone. how much pat end law do you need

to know to make a cool device? are you looking at me? >> you're the one devising cool devices, not me. draw me an animal that's never with four legs because that's what you know. >> litigation is one thing, but it has become so hard to differentiate and keep innovating and out-innovating the companies, software and hardware. >> when you give up, who would have thought some of these things would occur. motorola has a very long history. arguably they invented cell phones, and i just visited libertiville in illinois, headquarters there, and i -- i felt like a big macintosh vision. felt so at home. >> a huge compliment. >> queues of engineers geeking out late at night. i was at home. coming home. >> let me ask you about this

book. it's a book about self-publishing. >> yes. >> you, too, can make a book. if a book is any good, wouldn't a publisher want to publish it in the first place? >> oh, you're hurting me, man. >> you've got 11 books. >> first of all, "author, publisher, entrepreneur. there are five companies in new york that basically pick the winners and losers, and i think that that is just wrong in this day and age. look at democratization, we've gone from the popes and pharaohs and rich people having scribes and then could guttenberg and publishing and now we're at a point where if you have a computer with internet access you can self-publish a book. arguably that's going to create a lot oflousing books, but if you gave me a choice between anybody can publish a book who has that kind of access or it's only six companies in the world who pick, guess which one i'd pick.

i like to call is artisanist publishing. my book wasn't good enough so i have to publish it myself. it's the schmoe way from the chmoe way from schmoe press. i'd like to offer you a different frame of reference. it's art canal. you would never go up to the baker or wine-maker or artisanal brewer is because you kant couldn't get a job at a large brewery our couldn't get a job making twinkies or you couldn't get a job at gallos so you become artisanal because you suck. that's not true. >> isn't the difficulty, the distribution, the marketing, the building? you are a brand. >> have to keep your answer fairly quick. >> the difficulty is marketing, but irony today is when you pitch a traditional publisher the main question they ask is how are you going to market your

book? which is if you think about it, you're going to a traditional publisher for the marketing but they are asking you how you're going to do the marketing. in this day and age it's self-determination. you're marketing. you have to be responsible. >> do authors have to be entrepreneurs? >> they have to be, and lubsolu >> if this book is self-published, where do you kind it? >> it's on amazon. >> guy kawasaki, thank you for being our guest again today. back in a minute.

that's our show for this week. my thanks to my guests sebastian thrun and guy kawasaki. i'm scott mcgrew. thank you for making us part of your sunday morning.

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