to say it now. we were loud. they're quiet. what are they saying? >> we were lout because we wanted to be on -- loud because we wanted to be on television. this crowd is linked in to each other and to the war. the metaphor is global and personal linkage. they feel a sense of community automatically. if they are better disposed towards government which after all is a symbol of community and a facilitator sometimes of community, they're for it. also they are a nondiscriminatory generation. government can have a role on that. also 9/11 had an impact that's been a decade ago but it has an impact. it gave the younger people a reason to be positive about government because government was physically protecting them. when werm kids the government was fighting a war over there. this government is protecting us here. >> these are young people under 30. on the issues we know that 32%

more liberal on gay marriage than boomers. on gun control 9% more liberal than boomers. 13% more than boomers on illegal immigration. howard mentioned expanding role of government 10% more than boomers. i may be a liberal but i'm not big on big government. the younger crowd even younger than you are saying i like them. >> they are. they're favorable toward big government. i was interviewing david bernsteen. he talked about the embrace of government. but there's also a very interesting skeptism. this is a group that saw the mistakes that we and your generation made with money. financial responsibility. so they're not buying homes. they're renting a lot longer. they're not buying cars. they're waiting to get married.

and their starting their own businesses because they seen the inaction, the dysfunction of washington in solving their problems. >> starting real business -- they're not counting on getting a job. >> they're very, very entrepreneurial. >> their one water-gate away from being skeptical of government. what the my len y'alls have not lived through is a major disaster. and also, you know, look, government means a lot of thing to a lot of people. when you take 9/11, the polls show they respect the military. you know, it's not the same as government. i mean, it's a little bit different. chris: why did they do that? >> it's an institution that functions, that's communal, that's protected them and covered itself in glory and offers them a way in at the same time businesses are offering people these no-pay internship.

the military recruiters are saying -- would you want to be a hero? >> i watch young people. howard and i group, i have a girl that i want to ask out. are you available friday night? she says i've got to do my hair. i guess she doesn't want to go out. the people go out and group. >> and they reply by text. >> they don't date exactly. >> i want to be careful what i say because i'm going to be working for them some day. [laughter] but they do have a more removed sense of community. it's not about being physically together. it's about all caps to make their point. i also think their parents were a generation that were more protective of them. chris: i see it physically when i go watch my daughter go out with five or six guys. they all go out together. >> i think in a way the internet is a great leveler and it's a

great premoveer of discrimination. in our generation people were identified by ethnic group, geography, by different sort of tribal allegiances. it leads to a sort of universal sense at all times. you always can be part of a big group. you always can be part of a big group. it's connected in a way that we actually weren't. our connectivity through television was from the top down. this is what they call pier to pier. this is the world in the huffing post which a news sight and a networking sight. >> you talk about the activism of your generation and the activism of this generation whether at the arab spring or in occupy wall street is completely connected and demock tiesed by twitter and facebook. it's a different kind of -- chris: i'm amazed with the idea if you went out with someone 20 years ago, but they'll still be

on your facebook. it's going to be continual. >> let that be a warning. chris: let me ask you about the political thing here. obviously this country is getting more diverse, more immigration. the population doesn't look the same. it's the many faces. as these kids get older, are they going to get more conservative? >> yes, they will. chris: the evidence suggests otherwise. >> what i say is there is an opportunity to become more conservative. i don't mean republican. i mean when you have a mortgage and your kids are in school, you have to part of the institution that has to be more traditional that it makes you look at the world more differently. their political spectrum is tied to age. >> you look at the polls of the millenials, that they don't think that being a single parent is a bad idea. they want to be a part of

family. chris: what about politics? aren't they going to still mean left? >> if you make it a choice. chris: how can they say they like government? >> they're going to go democratic for the foreseeable future. chris: isn't that a problem if you're republican? what do you do when you're facing this onslaught of left leaning young people coming at you by their 20's. you know their going to be voting more than now. >> i lot of these trends, delage homeownership, car ownership, marriage, i think these are in roads to conservative to make some overchurs. just because it's easter, i would like to bring up the possible that pope francis might have an influence when you're looking at african-americans or hispanics. there's been myths that we can get hispanic voters because they're catholics or more conservative. that does not pan out in voting

or in polling. but we'll wait to see what kind of influence pope francis has here in north america and south america -- chris: a lot of people think that. >> he's got the social justice end of his catholicism. it will be interesting to see where those meet out. chris: we've got to do a whip around. howard, you get the first question. one to 10, one being happy as hell being of this generation or one, scared as hell? >> i'm happy as hell. >> i think i better be on the record as being happy. >> i'm going to say seven. i'm optimistic. >> i love what the kids are doing. i've been teaching for a while now. they're very impressive. chris: what do you teach? >> i teach journalism at the kuni journal -- for the university of new york. chris: we'll stay late and you can do so more.

i'm going to stay on the same side of 10. >> everybody at the huffington post is half my age. chris: and our kids too. a lot of talk about gun control. there are huge divides on that issue. mayor michael bloomberg has clearly met resistance. he's spending millions of his billions to run ads where senators are caught on both sides of the fight. one of those senators have resented the bloomberg pressure, mark pryor. he said i don't take gun advice from the mayor of new york city. i listen to ar. -- ar kansas. st recently his ban was on sodas, and then cigarettes. so it's no surprise that plenty of americans in the midwest and the south think he's a big too big for his britches, ay an

imperious someone who might remind you as the soup guy on "seinfeld." here's a picture of how scared they are of that guy. >> the main thing is to keep the line going. >> step to the left and receive to the right. >> it's very important not to embellish on your order, no questions, no compliments. >> i'm really scared. >> elaine? [laughter] > medium turkey chili. medium crab bisque. >> i didn't get any bread. >> just forget it. let it go. >> excuse me, i think you forgot my bread. >> you want bread? >> yes, please. >> $3. nothing for you! [laughter] chris: new yorkers, are we right

to be afraid of bloomberg's new prominence on this issue? >> no, not at all. he's been pushing various issues. some of sem them success. he gave a billion to john hopkins. the smoking ban extended the life expectancy of new yorkers. it's measurable over the last decade. it sort of works. what's funny about the sequence you just showed, new yorkers weigh online all the time and we put up with it and we don't like it. we grumble and complain. >> he's not part of the soup guy? >> no, he's not. chris: you've got be against it -- >> i am. i'm against exporting it elsewhere. [laughter] >> i really think it's interesting that he's become the democrats good plutocrat. he is government by the wealthy. he's taking it around the nation. when democrats remember they're supposed to be against this kind of project you're going to see

an interesting come to jesus moment. chris: happy easter to you. is there a republican to lead a cars ma to try to beat hillary

. chris: welcome back. hillary clinton gives every indication now that she's going to run for president. and she'll have enormous appeal especially among women, especially monk older women. she could be leading a movement. here's a question for the republicans. do they have anyone that could run against her? it's nobody's turn. there's no john mccain or mitt romney. but there are four talked about guys, all men. chris christie, jeb bush and marco rubio. they're all being talked about for president. is there anything on the other side that would justify

excitement by the masses? >> it might be igniting generational politics becauses you would maybe have a younger candidate trying to talk more about the future instead of the accomplishments and the standings of hillary clinton in the past. chris: who would that be? >> if you're looking at a robe yo, i would say paul ryan as the former b.p. nominee. if you're looking at rand paul, actually all of those folks are substantially younger and so they might be trying to connect. if you're talking about a real kind of shakeup to the race. it might be the politics that rubio brings with his ethnic immigrant story and his appeal. chris: does he have to have a theme or a meme no counter hillary to say you know what, she's not my cup of tea, let's go with the other guy? >> well, yes, you do have to have a theme. the other buzz word a narrative. don't laugh president o's narrative is what made him -- president obana's narrative is

what made him. i think one route forward for the republicans is either ethnic with rubio, generational ethnic or the other extreme is rand paul saying, you know what we want free markets and we want free values. chris: and with that comes the excitement of knowing you're going to lose. goldwater never said he was going to win. 26 million people voted for him and they were permanent recruits. >> they had real success when it's made strong intellectual arguments like goldwater or strong emotional arguments. chris: i used to like those guys. >> we're doing neither particularly well. so if rand can capture that intellectual strength and someone like rue yo can speak to that emotional threat, maybe together they can revitalize the party. chris: what about a modern

republican? >> you talked about chris christie. but they talked about a north eastern middle of the road governor and it didn't work out so well last year. chris: come on. one has charisma. one guy's got pizzazz. >> part of the problem with romney being a terrible candidate is that he went away from what his appeal originally was as a modern new englander and tried to get the nomination, tried to become something else -- chris: start with howard. can hillary be beaten? she rauns leg campaign. >> yes, don't forget even though brakbrak won, it wasn't a -- barack obama won, it wasn't a blowout. >> inevitable is dangerous. there should be a concern about a candidate not believing -- >> she can definitely be beaten but republicans never file disappoint. chris: who would you put your money?

>> i think hillary's inevitable is looming large. chris: she did lose it last time. she's got to pump in the rolls of those millenials. they're not going to be easily led. i spend enough time with those kids at occupy wall street. they are not into leadership. they don't accept leadership from themselves. they're not necessarily going to accept it because some guy on tv or hillary clinton comes along and says i'm here to lead you. >> she can't be an so... [ gasps ]

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yoplait. it is so good. chris: tell me something i don't know? >> the senate race i am watching is in north carolina. senator kay hagan in a state that voted to ban same sex marriage just voted to come in favor of same sex marriage. >> there's talk of trying to expand opportunities to dom this country from nation where is there has been a real limit that are not spanish-speaking necessarily, not the focus of immigration but opening the door to people who have not had many slots to the u.s. chris: do we still have the slot by limitation? i thought they got rid of during reagan. >> i will tell you that in 1906 the ncaa was born.

chris: obama care kicks in which those who have more than 50 employees have to get mandatory insurance for them. temp agencies are seeing a zoom of incress because people who are hoovering around 50 are startsing to hire temps. wall treat loves this. chris: hence jobless recovery. when we come back, the markets are at new highs but why do [ boy 1 ] hey! that's the last crescent.

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pillsbury grands biscuits. let the making begin. chris: welcome back. the s & p and the dow hit new highs but om half of americans say they're confident that they can live comfortably in retirement. what does that say about our future? >> what it says is that in real terms the middle-class hasn't advanced. they're making in real terms what they made 30, 40 years ago.

>> we keep hearing that on a big megaphone that those problems about social security won't be there, so that anxiety is with you. it's hard to say you're going to live longer and not have money. chris: that's true. for women, especially. >> the markets are doing so well cause washington has decided we are going on. chris: keep calm and carry on. >> exactly. chris: benign conservative. >> for wall street the money is flowing in. people are tired of getting it. maybe i should buy some stock, coca-cola or something like that. so you've got a lot of that. people know that their standard of living has decreased. we pay less at wal-mart but we don't have anybody else there to help us. the quality is less, even the portions are less.

people understand that -- chris: nobody's checked your oil at the gas station. thanks to a great round table. that's the show. thanks for watching and really happy east tore everybody. we'll see you back here next week.

right now, he crashes his car into a south bay walmart then starts beating the shoppers. what witnesses and police have to say about a man intent on doing damage.

pope francis celebrates his first easter mass and sends the world a plea for peace. we're tracking storms in the bay area. we'll let you know just how much rain is expected for the week ahead. >> nbc bay area news starts now. good evening. i'm terry mcsweeney. diane dwyer has the night off. the question is why a man would drive a car into a crowded walmart store in san jose and attack customers. it happened on story road half a mile from where highway 101 meets 280. several were injured, the drive ev's been arrested. kimberly terry is live with the latest on this bizarre story. >> reporter: that crash happened at about 11:15 this morning. as you can imagine, both the parking lot and this store were packed with customers. police say the suspect was driving through the parking lot, hitting cars, before he went through the sliding glass doors right into the store. police say the car ended up on a

beer display 30 feet inside walmart. once that car stopped the driver got out and picked up a blunt object from inside the store and began hitting customers with it. seriously injuring at least one person. witnesses say the crash was so loud, some people initially thought it was gunfire. >> i heard this big crash. what was that? is so i'm looking around. all of a sudden i see all these people screaming and running. like, tear error on their face. i had no idea what's going on. i'm asking people, what happened? what happened? they're all screaming and running toward the exit. like, what the hell is going on? >> reporter: some customers jumped in and were able to subdue that suspect until police arrived at which point he was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. several were hurt by flying debris and trying to hold down the suspect who was putting up a fight. police say they don't know what motivated the attack but suspect drs