>> this is "the chris matthews show." >> ask not what your country can do for you. >> tear down this wall. >> i can hear you. >> the time for change has come! chris: tomorrow, it's still barack obama's time, but democrats and republicans are focusing on hillary clinton in 2016. many of us, especially women my age, find it hard to think of what it would be like to have a woman, not as first lady, but as head of state, chief executive, and yes, commander in chief. already hillary's time as secretary of sit is given a hard look as legions of men and women say it's her turn. did we do it right? let's look back how we called hillary's last run for president. were we smart? and newcomer barack obama would

edge her out. let's rerack that tape. and the kids under 30, in this crowd, everyone got a soccer trophy. they all think they're great, but how is all of that positive feeling working out for them. hi, i'm chris matthews. welcome to the show. with us today, howard fineman, kelly o'donnell, and joe klein. first up, hillary clinton is in the news again. that brings up her future presidential plans. she still has months to decide, of course, whether to make it official that she is going to run again. howard, this is the great question. do you expect her to run? >> i do, chris. no doubt. chris: around the table. kelly. >> looks that way. chris: what a perfectly careful comment. that's what i like. >> yeah, if her health is fine. chris: and your concern about her health? >> i don't know. i mean, she went through a tough period. i think she needed a lot of rest. but if she is rested, she is

running. chris: well, joe and howard, you were here on this show. we are looking back and forward at the same time along with andrea mitchell and michele norris was here. it was just before the iowa caucus. it was five years ago back in 2007, i'm getting the mood set here. hillary clinton actually ended up losing the iowa caucuses to barack obama, a loss that she and most others didn't expect. here is how we looked at it ahead of that time on our show the weekend before the 2007 iowa caucuses. howard, you spent lots of time in iowa. show me the money. which way is the train going? >> i can't show you the money. i can show you the literature. this is hillary's final pitch in the mail at the events. it says ready because the polls show that that's her main advantage. >> i think that on the merts, hillary clinton has run the most substantive campaign. unfortunately, she comes attached to her own portable circus. i think that in the end, that's

the biggest decision that people are going to have to make. chris: what is the circus she brings in? >> her husband, the history of the last 20 years, the slew of republicans who were salivating at the prospect of running against her. >> and yet the circus as joe calls it, if hillary is going to survive in iowa, ironically it's the circus that is going to save her among the democrats. watching bill clinton campaign in iowa for his wife was really amazing. >> that is not going to be enough. chris: there you have it. howard had a good point. it was clinton coming in and kept that campaign tight right through. you were right in saying in the early going which ended up being decisive, all that apparatus, all the clinton money, all the clinton support group wasn't enough to beat the new kid on the block who seemed like it was his time. >> yeah, obama had this incredible organization of young people who were stationed in each of the towns in iowa. it was probably the best iowa organization i have ever seen. he was a better grassroots kind of candidate at that point.

she later became, when it was too late, a really good candidate. chris: two factors i can remember, five years ago, it seems like a long time ago. she was sort of still with the iraq war. she wouldn't take it back. the other guy was clearly against it from day one like we first heard of him, he was against the war. she was selling experience and the clinton thing. how she do it this time? >> time for someone with a little more vintage. >> the threshold for a woman candidate, a really creditability woman candidate for the first time at the time of war was the iron lady, would she be tough? she couldn't mbakwe. a lot of time has passed. she has been secretary of state. she knows every world leader at the head of state administerial level. that is an advantage that no republican presently has. that sort of requirement does not apply next time around. >> looking back on that tape, first of all, my glasses are much nicer now than the ones of a few years ago. chris: we can do a whole show on other things.

>> but looking back on it, it's clear and what joe says is right. the kids on the ground in iowa were the metaphor for what was wanted at that time. hillary was in the position of being an establishment insider candidate at a time after george w bush had kind of wrecked the image of the establishment of any kind. chris: well said. move forward. >> now this time around, hillary is in a different position. i think now experience counts for more. chris: because? >> certainly for the nomination. chris: because obama seems like he didn't have enough? >> yes. but also they made a decision at that point that a lot of the people in hillary land really regret. they went with experience rather than the notion of change. hey, he isn't the only change candidate, i'm a woman. she never did that. this time everybody knows that she is one of the most experienced candidates we have

ever had running for president. she practically doesn't have to say it. >> she doesn't have to. >> i emphasize different values. >> i still think she has a similar problem in the sense that if the current mood about washington holds up, if the current mood of antagonism to all establishment holds up, especially among younger people, then she has the same problem all over again. she has to deal with it in a different way. chris: my hunch is that the clinton appeal isn't superstar policy people, they can do it. the strength is the economy, stupid. she won that sweet spot last time. she may have lost the nomination. she got new york, connecticut, pennsylvania, pennsylvania, california. they have the connection to regular working democrats. >> it's enduring. chris: beyond benghazi and the other stuff. >> what you're talking about will still connect. it may be enhanced a bit.

there is a nostalgia and an emotional, she waited her turn. she was a good soldier. >> i do think that people are sick of aloof. if they're going to be reacting to anything, it's going to be reacting against aloof. they had a choice between aloof and aloof in the last election. >> she is not going to do an ad sitting in the sunroom of her home. chris: there is a weird disconnect. the old folks residents home in this country, there is one guy there. so women clearly live longer. very funny, everybody likes him. there is only one guy there. >> he is popular. chris: big ears, too. that guy is still there. we talk about hillary's age. she'll be 69 election day 2016. i think it's sort of a pick. go either way. oh, she is too old or don't think about it. it's irrelevant. you might be the youngest person here. will people be thinking about in your generation of somebody 69 running for president? second time, 73, serving until 77, does that bother people or

not? >> i don't think the age thing is going to be one of hillary's biggest challenges, whether your my age or -- chris: not a problem for you? >> not a problem. chris: is it a problem? >> no. chris: she is running against a 54-year-old somewhat overweight guy? >> then he might be thin. chris: or a nasty guy from texas. we don't know who she is running against? >> fairly or unfairly it's going to depend on the answer to the first question, it depends on her health. if she has a hiccup along the way -- >> it's the stamina, the most grueling process. chris: the guy who runs, it could be a woman, probably a guy, i think he must never let anybody on his team ever attack her personally. he is going to have to apologize for every attack on his record. you take a shot at hillary clinton. you give her an advantage, yourself a disadvantage. it's not just that she is female. there is a willingness on her

part to hit back in a way that is powerful. >> she knows how. she has experience. she has perfected that rebound. you can almost foresee whoever the nominee is having to fire some intern or low level staffer for tweeting or something for something that is unflattering toward hillary clinton and it becomes something. chris: she knows how to bring down any incoming -- bill does it, too. >> the problem in all presidential and other campaigns, it's controlling the so-called independent groups. the clinton campaign will have an eye, not just on the campaign of the opponent, but the rest of it out there and they will use all of it. chris: the divorce papers platform. >> obama learned this. chris: jerry brown learned it. >> it got him in so much trouble. it wasn't that you were likable enough or an angry jab, it was a condescending jab. it got him in so much trouble. it's a toxic place to go with

her, you're right. anyone who does that does it at their peril. chris: it takes a sophisticated opponent. >> it does. chris: i want to ask something that is really important now, predictions, put away predictions. how about some advice now. howard, i know you're not an visor, if you were advising hillary clinton today, what would be the right use of 2013, the next foreseeable future months? >> well, building off what kelly and joe said, to emphasize her connection and the clinton connection with average working people, it's no accident that pennsylvania is what energized her. that's where the working class still is. chris: and where you and i come from. >> where you and i come from. i know that is what she has to do. don't trapes around the world, trapes through middle america and reconnect. chris: all politics is locally. >> it sets her time as secretary of state. chris: she has that. >> it's wise for her not to be the front page too often. take the time, rest, feel good. live your life.

have other things to talk about when you do reemerge. she will always be on our lips. if she can have a bit of time for herself to recharge, that could pay off. chris: have you ever been alone with her? >> no. chris: there is something, you know it well, incredibly likable. >> i'll take your word for it. to the point that feeling of excitement when she shows up somewhere is mitigated when she does it all the time. it would be wise for her to take some time off and show up only for the big -- chris: what do you think? >> my advice would be a combination of howard's and kelly's. i think she has got to stay here. she has got to stay low-key. she should pick an issue to focus on and run with it for a year or two. like a domestic issue. >> education. >> or health care. >> she did health care for many years. i would say the continuing gap between wall street and main street economically, that's

really where she should be. chris: the middle class squeeze. >> it's real. the chris: people that work very hard in jobs 50 hours a week and they're not catching up. >> she has to reconnect in that way. >> that's true. chris: the sons and daughters of the baby boomers, some say they're lazy and entitled and the hope

chris: welcome back. the under 30 crowd sometimes called generation y, the children of the baby boomers. "time magazine" put it on the cover, the me, me, me generation, lazy, entitled, that's nice. all of those years of participation trophies, just for showing up you get a trophy in soccer make these young people feel they're the center of the

universe. along the lines, there is a commencement speech that is going viral. >> you're not special. you're not exceptional. contrary to what your soccer trophy suggests, your glowing seventh grade report card, despite every assurance of a certain corps lent purple dinosaur, that nice mr. rogers and your batty aunt sylvia, your maternity caped crusader swooped into save you, you are nothing special. >> what i'm reading about in time, maybe you're into this, the people in their 20's now can actually think when they join a big company like google, dash off an email to the c.e.o. we're all equals here. >> they are used to being able to get anything they want whenever they want through new technology and social media. there is that immediacy. it's interesting to consider

this generation, in addition to being lazy and is incredibly responsible. they are learning from mistakes we all made. they're not buying houses and cars they can't afford. they're waiting to get married. they're carrying less debt. i find themselves to be incredibly self-reflective. chris: howard? >> i mean a generation consists of a lot of components. the comment i'm deal with are returning veterans from iraq and afghanistan and they are special. chris: you're writing about them. how do they distinguish themselves because of the service from the mass group of people that don't have the earned self-confidence? >> the sacrifice and service aspects of it. they know how to govern. they know how serious life it. they are idealistic. chris: our generation rebelled. i think we're right. this generation doesn't think there is anything to rebel against. they don't accept the notion of

authority to begin with. >> they rebel against the notion that the limits have been reached. i have two kids who are 20 somethings who are in this generation. they insist on optimism. they insist on the possibilities ahead. as was he had, it's immediacy and it's also the way social media works and the way their world works, there are no hierarchies. they're their own hierarchy. some of the self-involvement turns into the way they do business. each is a brand. each is a celebrity. n a way, notoriety is the iron re of our age, it's the raw material through which structures are built. each has to do it for themselves. it requires a self-assertiveness that we have trained them in. it turns out to be the way their world works and the way the future of commerce, politics, and everything is going to run. chris: i call everybody senator, congressman. you see people calling each

other joe and jim and brad. how do you do that? how do you talk to people like that? >> they call a member by the first name, i'm struck. chris: the young people do you it with immunity. >> instead of looking at the president or the candidate, they're doing this with the phone and they're looking at the phone taking the picture that will be posted moments later. they're not necessarily experiencing the moment. >> it's about sharing. >> you're not watching the person. chris: i'm at a movie theater and i see one of those lights going on, you're paying $12, $100 for food and somebody is doing something in their ear. >> when i first went to the huffington post, we would have meetings and all of the young staffers would be there with their laptops, two smartphones -- chris: talk to me! >> that's not the way it works anymore. everybody is multitasking constantly. nobody is better at it than those kids.

>> absolutely colorblind. i have two kids in that generation. they also are absolutely tolerant when it comes to sexual orientation. >> very much so. >> they think that folks our age -- chris: how did that happen? >> they live in a virtual world. you see kids this age sitting next to each other on the couch and texting each other. and so the world that they live what have ision -- you seen on television in our culture over the last 20 years? it's been pure equality. that's diversity in education. it's the simple fact of getting people together. the older generation deserves credit for doing it. the kids get along because the older generation says that's the better way to live. i'll take the trophy for that, you, too

look at them kids. [ sigh ] they have no idea what it was like before u-verse high speed internet. yeah, you couldn't just stream movies to a device like that. one time, i had to wait half a day to watch a movie. you watched movies?! i was lucky if i could watch a show. show?! man, i was happy to see a sneezing panda clip! trevor, have you eaten today? you sound a little grumpy. [ laughter ]

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chris: welcome back. let me ask you all, immigration, is a big one. will they pass an immigration reform bill this year or neither? howard? >> i'm fascinating between the fight between marco rubio and tim cruz. chris: you will watch it? kelly. >> a lot of progress. >> a hard reach to get it done. >> we're going to get something. it's watered down and a whole lot less consequential. chris: will it be an immigration

law that is enforced? >> no. chris: that's the problem, another failure? >> they better pass it or the republican party is toast in 2016. they just have to pass it. chris: does boehner know that? >> he may know that. a lot of his members do not know that. chris: there may be a difference of interest between the housemembers that want to get re-elected in angelo districts and the overall party? the big question of the week, half of you watching us right now are watching us live while the rest are watching us on [ male announcer ] citibank's app for ipad

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all times. chris: what a sweetheart. news it live. >> news is live. entertainment is now netflix and on demand. >> we time shift everything in our house. we watch all of our favorite shows later. i will say an event like the night when there was the boston bombing search, people wanted to watch it live. there are some popular shows, social media, people want to talk about it as it's unfolding. hris: the bronco chase still works. >> sports is the obvious example of things people want to watch. chris: spoiler alert. >> i not only watch television on delay, i watch it years delay. i watch the whole first season after land," two years it first aired. it's a binge. chris: you saved a lot of time. you haven't thought about it week to week. you do it all at once.

>> get it all out. >> which is why netflix putting all 13 episodes of house of cards on the air -- chris: for free. >> we lapped that one up in about a day and a half. chris: rob reiner, he watched the whole thing in a row. thanks to a grained -- great roundtable. who was right five years ago. thanks for watching, see you back here next week.

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