"press: here" is sponsored in part by barracuda network. cloud connected security and storm solutions to simplify pc. city national bank to help northern california businesses grow. he has a company, he has employees, but pj did not have permission to stay in the united states. why were we trying to kick this guy out of the country? plus the creator shows us the next project. and bringing low cost commuting to the developing world. our reporters from silicon beat levi sumagasay and rich jaroslavsky, smart news this week on "press: here."

good morning everyone. i'm scott mcgrew. i want you to look at my first guest. he is pierre jon, and he carries a deep flaw not easy to is spot. he has his good points. he's got an mba and he spends hundreds of volunteer hours working with charities started two companies. the most recently is ecolabs which has created jobs, pays taxes and has $1.5 million in the bank. but back to his flaw. there is no delicate way to say this. pj is belgian something he inherited from his parents. this means he came within a breath of being kicked out of the united states after his student visa ran out after a huge campaign let pj stay he

got the coveted visa. but that was thanks to sheer luck. thanks for being with us this morning. rich jaroslavsky from smart news joins us and levi sumagasay from the smart beat. this frustrates the hell out of me, this idea that people create jobs in the united states and then we think we should send them back to their home countries. i think we ought to keep them. i assume you think the exact same thing. >> you're correct. >> how difficult was it and how did you end up getting an h 1 b? you have to be employed by somebody to get that? >> i'm employed by my company. >> yeah, but you created your company. >> i did. but in order to be eligible for the h 1 b we had do things like get a board of directors. we had to change our corporate titles. we had to -- we have to be fireable in a way. and that's how we can get an h 1 b. or at least how i got mine. >> but your founder did not. >> correct. >> cofounder. >> so it -- well, the h 1 b is a lottery. this year, there were 85,000 visas available but 233,000

people applied so the math is easy. the odds are not in your favor. i got lucky, my cofounder didn't. which is a huge issue for our company because we obviously go as a pair. so if he can't get some other form of visa, then we'll have to go. >> now, do you think you got lucky or do you think having the campaign let pj stay had anything to do with it? >> i don't know. it's -- >> when did you find out? >> so i found out about two weeks ago. it's a two-step process. first that's the lottery and then there's a sort of an investigation called -- i forget the actual legal term but it's basically uscys will ask some questions regarding your company to determine if it's legitimate. we didn't get that. so i don't know if it was luck or if we forced our luck. but it only worked for half of the founding team.

>> go back to that. you're not going to stay here without your cofounder. >> right. >> where were you going to go can? >> good question. so i don't want to go back to europe. we started the company in silicon valley for very good reasons. but we -- we have to find a place that is good enough to also build a company and so we have been thinking about vancouver. you know, the town pool maybe is not as good as silicon valley, but at least they have a start-up visa which is something we could qualify for pretty easily. actually pretty interesting. what they do is they have outsourced the decision to the private sector in canada. so they ask you, you know if you can get a support letter from a canadian venture capital form, angel group or an incubator then you can get a visa. >> what's ironic -- i understand you're saying you don't want to go to canada, because all the really talented engineer base is

in the san francisco and bay area. what would be worse is losing you to canada, is if you convinced a number of talented engineers in san francisco/bay area to follow you and we'd be triple hurt or quadruple hurt just by the way that we have set up these policies. >> yeah. i mean, it's already hard to find excellent engineers here. because there's so much demand. honestly, i'm not sure i could convince my team to move to canada. you know it's a bit of a trip. >> enough money you could. >> let me back up for a second. let me make sure i understand something. you founded this company, so you are creating jobs, but you yourself wouldn't even have been allowed to stay whether you want to or not unless you could be fired by the company that you started in order to create jobs for others. >> mm-hmm.

that's exactly right. >> where's the logic in that? >> i don't know. that's what i'm trying to figure out. that's one type of visa. so it's h 1 b which is generally more suited for people who are employed by, you know, small and big companies, not necessarily for founders. there's another visa that potentially is as an option for microfounder which is a visa for exceptional individuals. but that's generally more suited for those with noble prices -- >> and model -- >> they're covered under that visa as an exceptional person. i'm not joking or making this up. >> anyone who can prove that they're in the top, you know, 5 or 10% of their field, regardless of their field. >> justin bieber. >> he has -- >> he may have. >> immigration reform. >> what would you do? i mean -- so realizing we can't just open the doors and let the entire world in although there's an argument maybe we could, but let's say we're not going to do that, how would you set it up a guy who goes to

stanford gets his mba, gets a company, employs people gets to stay. what would be the criteria be if you were president of the united states, which you can't do. >> unfortunately. >> one thing you can't do in america. >> there's potentially ways to make this objective. right now there's no visa that works for the entrepreneur. so you can create one. i can get a green card but i don't want to do that. but the way to make it objective, figure out what makes a good entrepreneur or potentially a good entrepreneur. i think there's a lot of things you can look at. you can look at how much capital has been raised by the company, how many jobs have been created. you can look at patent portfolio. there's plenty of metrics that are fairly objective that you can look at to determine if someone has a chance of success in this country. the question is where do you draw the line but -- >> you have to least start with a line.

>> ask the last question. >> this process can't be cheap to try to stay in the country. do you have any idea about how much you and your cofounder have spent on immigration lawyers, whatever you had to do in order to try to stay in the u.s.? >> i think it will probably end up costing us maybe 40, 50 "k" total. >> 40 or $50,000 and you're still likely to end up moving some place else? >> it's still possible. >> when will you make a decision? when will you know yes, we are moving ecolabs out of palo alto right? >> yeah. >> we're moving out of palo alto and going to canada or wherever. when will you make that decision? >> so we have been so far on a basically a temporary visa. an extension on a student visa. >> right. from stanford. >> right. once you graduate you get a year or two to figure something out. so that visa runs out june 30th of this year. so that's basically the route it

it's taking for us. now i'm okay but my cofounder, if we don't have something by june 30th, that's it. we have 50 days to leave the country. that's the grace period that you get after the -- you know a specific visa ends. >> pj thank you for being with us this morning and we hope you are here some time in the future. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> "press: here" will be back in a minute.

welcome back to "press: here." my next guest needs to get on a bus to mexico. matt dalio is headed south with a specially built bus to bring computing to developing economies through endless computer, a kickstarter funded project. it will give computers to the growing middle class all over the world. easy to use pc. matt dalio is the youngest ever recipient of the fulbright award, started his first charity at 16. fluent in mandarin. even oprah winfrey said he's a big deal. thank goodness you are not belgian. >> i can stay. >> exactly. thanks for being with us. i remember one laptop per child. nicholas negroponte is an

adviser for you. this not for the working poor. you don't imagine this in the poorest of sections but rather this sudden growth of this middle class all over the world. >> yeah. 40 years ago, a term was coined called the economic pyramid and then the world looked like a pyramid. today, a couple billion people have been brought to the middle of the pyramid. most people are not in poverty. most are in the global middle class. they have shelter food, they have perfectly fine live it's just the computers are expensive. and there's other issues like internet connectivity. so we're looking at the next billion and not the bottom billion. >> so what will this do? this is -- this will do what normal computers do e-mail web browsing. i mean the stuff you come to expect from computers. >> so in this device we set out not to create the cheapest computer to create. what they wanted was the best computer i could afford. and so that best computer needs to be able to do everything you do on a computer. really what we have done is

actually an operating system that's just a delivery mechanism so again, 90% of our team is focused on the software research, design and development. so you can do web browsing, word processing. to give you an example, i use our operating system entirely as my operating system. i haven't opened my mac in nine months. i like it better. it does everything i need to do. 's simpler and better and we have tailored the applications to the need of the market. >> how does this differ from a chrome book which is google's operating system that's placed on a number of very inexpensive computers? >> great question. so chrome book is simple and easy it's a full computer. it's browser. everything we do during -- on the computer. with one asterisk.

when you unplug it from the internet, it doesn't work. >> the chrome book. >> the chrome book. it's effectively a browser. if all you do on your computer is a browser, let's make it a browser. that's the big thing. it's actually not necessarily the cost of the device but the conductivity. so we made a native operating system with native applications. and what we have done is gone and preinstalled wikipedia. so the sum of human knowledge -- is on that. >> k-12 education, preinstalled on every device. health information so you can look up any ailment, my medicine, preinstalled. no internet required. there's an ecosystem of applications. >> how much storage does it take? >> storage is so cheap nowadays. the hard drive cost $300 for 4

gigabytes. we have 32 gigabyte version and that fits on there that and much more. >> how is it hp -- leave apple out for a moment. we know apple, aluminum body all that. if you can build and manufacture a computer for $169 i mean, i saw on kickstarter there's a $9 computer. it doesn't have wikipedia and it's just a chip. how is it that there are any computer companies still making computers? >> so it still blows my mind we -- this is an intel processor. and we're able to sell it for cheaper than dell and hp are able to sell -- >> that's my question. how are you still in business? >> so windows is a $40 cost. to those manufacturers. >> gotcha. you did your own os.

>> and people are buying our system because of the operating system. >> isn't the cost of windows cut for some -- >> they do it by volume of device and if it's smaller than nine inches it's a discount. to have a desktop computer it's a still expensive. and you have to pay for office for $100. >> it's microsoft, not hp. >> so it's lenox based? >> lenox is an interesting thing. i was new to understanding lenox. i had a big misconception again. it turns out on the an incredibly powerful engine. very hard to use. like having a fighter jet with, you know, the cockpit with all the knobs an nozzles. it is built for engineers and they want all the dials and switches. we took that extremely powerful fighter jet and put a joystick in it. it's the easiest out there.

>> you're sitting on top of lenox? >> we are based on that and we have taken the small veneer which is called the graphical interface and made that extremely simple. >> why a desktop and not a laptop and not a smartphone? desktop, i mean that's going back a couple of years. >> so desktop, most desktop computers sold to emerging markets and most homes have desktop computers. for the total cost of ownership is lower, this plugs into the television. hdtv. all you have to buy is this. that's the best way of reducing the total cost of ownership. the devices are family devices. it's not a personal device. and in the future we'll make laptops. the question about smart phones and tablets is a question that we get a lot here and never there. in other words, aren't they leapfrogging us, why do people want computers anymore? right? and the answer is they want the same things that we have.

all of you have a desktop computer. all of you probably have a tablet and a smartphone. they want the same set of tools. >> your set gives it to them. we'll let you get on the bus with all the computers. thank you, matt dalio. up next, an entrepreneur retires with millions to spend his time fixing up a farmhouse which makes him dream up a new idea.

welcome back to "press: here." if you look at aaron patzer's pace on linked in, you have to scroll and scroll because he's done so much. he's best known for the creator of mint, the super best way to manage your bank which was purchased by intuit. not content to sit still, he's created an app to help you find advice on toilet repair to sick tomato plants. >> so your plants are sick. i'd want to look at them. and -- >> so that's jason, an expert in sustainable gardening. he saved the day with me. this is aaron who created the app. aaron dabbled with -- for a while with the mag live transportation pod. thank you for being with us. you ended up -- you took your

money from intuit. you worked at intuit for a while. >> i did. >> kind of semi-retired, you're going to build a farmhouse or something like that. >> yeah, i bought 22 acres and wanted to build an organic or orchard orchard. it was an old place. >> and then slowly this idea for i need help with my olive trees -- this is a very silicon valley story. right? you're going to retire peacefully and you know what i need is an app. >> well i wasn't going to retire but i certainly did come up with a bunch of problems in and around this new house. it was the first house i had ever bought. i like to do the work myself. the hot water heater was broken. i had these olive trees that hadn't been groomed in 15 years. i wanted to plant an orchard and it's more complicated than sticking a tree in the ground. i wanted the advice on this and so much depends on the climate and the sunlight and the angles

or when maintaining your deck what the material is made out of. so google wasn't useful for this kind of information. >> not specific to you, yeah. >> rich? >> well, tell us a little bit more about how this thing works. is it actually realtime instant communication, i have an idea now, or i have a problem, i want an instant solution or do you -- is there a -- like appointment television sort of viewing? >> the only time that matters when you have a problem is right now. so we will put you in touch with someone who can help you out over text, talk or video chat in about 60 seconds. you'll be on with an architect, interior designer. we have a couple from hg tv on our system. general contracts. appliance repair people. people specialists because we -- because we started with the home first. >> if you can only see -- wait you can see what i'm seeing in

realtime. you can see this in the garden, et cetera. i mean, you have a website. but it's more of a smartphone centric sort of idea. >> as they say a picture is worth a thousand words and video is worth much more. i had this problem with my hot water heater. i'm trained as a software engineer, i never fixed a hot water heater. you think there's no way -- >> how complicated could it be? >> and it was actually really simple. he said okay let's turn off the hot water and turn on the cold water to see if there's any blockage in the pipes. turn on the cold and off the hot. okay not a blockage. go underneath the house with the video camera oh that looks like a pump and model underneath you will find a screw cap. >> all for much cheaper than a guy coming out. >> seven bucks. that's all it took you avoid the $200 house call and i fixed the hot water heater and i'm a software engineer. >> because of that seven bucks, what's in it for the experts

themselves? >> well, what's great for the experts is it's work on demand. so it's $7 per 15 minutes, you can get a great interior designer for $28 an hour. >> what's their cut? >> they get 70% of the revenues. they're making $21 an hour. that may not fly if you're in san francisco or new york. but this is -- you may be talking to a designer who's fantastic in chicago or atlanta or austin or some place where it's cheaper to live. >> like being an uber driver too. you could be an uber driver sometimes and doing a dad doing car pool and on the way back be an uber driver again. you can be a gardening expert when you want to. >> that's right. we send the push notification to five or ten people. and if you don't want to take the work because you're busy with your own clients, ignore it and somebody else will pick it up. you get super fast response

time. >> so how big is the network, your expert network? >> we have dozens of people in every category. so -- >> what sort of weird category? i mean i mean dishwasher repair is an obvious one. oh, really, i can learn how to do that? >> we have someone who specializes in just glass flooring. if you want a glass floor -- >> i didn't know there was glass flooring. >> like in apple store, sort of the glass steps for staircases. we have someone who is a specialist. someone who specializes in interior design for kids' bedrooms. you can find them in a way you never would have in most parts of the country. >> the first time we met, you were doing mint and you were also very much in the entrepreneur start-up mode. next time we met, you were at intuit and you were very corporate. you had a big job there. you were running the personal finance as i recall, now you're back to doing start-up again. what were your takeaways from your time at being intuit?

do you ever -- did you learn from being in a big company like oh, i never want to do that again? >> well, you said that, not me. so i'll just agree. i do like being in a small company better. intuit was a good place to work and i would say that it was financially very rigorous. the planning process was very rigorous. but i kind of like to just get in there and build things. i shouldn't but i still code from time to time. >> well you coded most of mint to begin with, right? >> i coded the initial version with a couple of engineers including two or three patentable algorithms and i did the core algorithms in fountain as well. you can say my tomatoes are dying, and you could talk to a gardner. you can say my greyhound is throwing, it puts you in touch with a veterinarian as opposed to thinking that means a bus line. it's sophisticated, artificial

intelligence. >> you have some competition. it used to be called pearl and i honestly don't recall what it is called. just answer i think it is. >> yeah. >> is there something you're delivering that they're not? >> yeah. if you go to just answer, you can chat with an expert but it's desktop and it's chat. >> you're mobile. >> we have mobile video pictures you can draw on and you get it for $7 as opposed to $70. >> aaron patzer will help you when your greyhound is sick. thank you for being with us this morning. "press: here" will be back in a minute.

that's our show for this week. my thanks to my guests. before we go, i do want to let you know we'll once again be preempted for a couple of weeks. the sunday morning time slot right after "meet the press" is very presstigious, but it leaves

us vulnerable to the sports, especially on the east coast. so while we await to return check out pressheretv.com. find our interviews with silicon valley's most important and interesting people. and of course we will be back in mid june. i'm scott mcgrew. thank you for making us part of your sunday morning. >> "press: here" is sponsored in part by barracuda network. storage solutions to simplify i.t. city national bank, providing loans of credits to help businesses grow.

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