make decisions about size and timing of her family, whether it's about medicare, social security. pence voted to privatize social security when president bush was president and three times for the ryan budget to voucherize medicare, to take away the guarantee. so issues that relate to the well-being are more important than locker room talk. >> it's interesting you want to tie house republicans to donald trump. i understand a lot of republicans say donald trump doesn't represent the republican party. it wasn't just republicans who said that. a pretty prominent democrat said this at the democratic convention. let me play the sound. >> look, we democrats have always had plenty of differences with the republican party, and there's nothing wrong with that. it's precisely this contest of idea that pushes our country forward. but what we heard in cleveland last week wasn't particularly republican, and it sure wasn't sieve. >> did the president inoculate

rank and file republicans from donald trump with that comment? >> no, no. i completely agree with what the president said. the republican party is the grand old party. it's done great things for our country. what we've been saying to them is take back your party. it's been hijacked by a radical wing of -- i don't know even know of what, of our country, not even of your party. and when president bush was president, we treated him with respect. we got a lot done working together, opposed the war in iraq, privatizing social security but he was one of the best presidents on that. we had one of the biggest energy bills in the country. this goes on. we need a strong republican party. i don't paint everybody with the same brush, but the republicans in the house of representatives i do. >> okay. let me ask you about something that came out in these leaks, some leaks of hacking, john

podes podesta, speech excerpts. one from hillary clinton that implied -- let's take a look at it. implies she says one thing, everybody watching, back room discussions and deals you know people get a little nervous. so you need both a public and private position. it sounds like what she's saying is i'm going to tell you one thing here in this private speech and i'm going to have a public position another way. trade, for instance, seems to be one topic where she seems to say one thing behind the scenes and one thing publicly. how do we trust her trade position? >> i trust her trade position. what she's saying is we are a global economy. we have to face that reality. we don't have to accept tpp and that we should recognize -- sit down start with workers growing paychecks and put trade policy together that way rather than starting with investment. >> take you her at her word she will never support tpp. >> absolutely. >> you're there, too. you will never support tpp.

>> i want to have a trade agreement. i say to my members, i don't want to give anybody fasttrack. we didn't give it to bill clinton, president bush or barack obama. we're indiscriminate democrats and republicans in terms of saying congress should have the prerogative to have more saying and how these trade agreements affect american workers. we're against tpp, overwhelmingly the democrats. >> you take her at her word she's not somehow saying two things an not just doing -- some progressives, some bernie sanders supporters see that and say, you know what, this is why i don't trust her. >> i think what ear hearing -- this the first time i'm hearing that. what you're hearing is we should have a trade agreement. it isn't tpp because that isn't what grows america. it doesn't start with the american worker. it rejects any discussion of climate and relationship to commerce. so hillary clinton, the fact is, she has such great knowledge. she has a vision about her

country and it's about strengthening the middle class. that is the biggest difference between democrats and republicans classically. trickle down economics. tax breaks for the rich. middle income economy. growing the middle class and those who aspire to it and having consumer confidence to spend and inject them into the economy to grow the economy. >> how damaging were bill clinton's comments about obama care when call it the craziest thing talking about folks getting squeezed in the middle, folks that are not eligible for subsidies. not clarifying it circles what he believes -- what he circled was essentially the issue republicans are bringing up on the campaign trail. >> not damaging at all. >> not damaging at all. >> affordable care act, 20 million more people have access to affordable quality health care. not only that, many -- tens of millions more are no longer subjected to pre-existing

conditions, eliminating -- >> do you acknowledge this problem with premiums and acknowledge the problem in the middle. >> i wanted a single payer -- i'd love a single payer but we're not there. i wanted a public option which would address that. but we've never done anything, whether it's social security, medicare and the rest, where we haven't said, let's see how it works and let's improve it. no, i wouldn't worry about that. what i do think is affordable care act stands there with social s7security, medicare, acs a pillar of health and economic security for american families. i think it's really important to know republicans have voted over 65 times to eliminate it, and they have voted more than one time to dismantle medicare by taking away the guarantee. ñ budget takes away the guarantee. pence voted for that three times. >> final question, how confident are you you will get the speaker's gavel? >> oh, it's not about me.

it's about democrats winning as many seats. i want the american people to win in this election so we can take this to a place where we really are talking about thashs affect them in their daily lives. we can try to find some consensus. the other difference between democrats and republicans, we really do come forward to work in a bipartisan way. president obama certainly did that. we did that very respectfully of president bush. i hope that we can take this debate to a place where the american people are not disgusted and turned off by what's happening in the campaign but instead inspired by it. >> all right. nancy pelosi -- >> go giants. >> no comments. i will leave it there as a dodger fan. when we come back, how big a role will the trump tape play tonight and in the next week. stay with us. >> now, mr. trump, many republicans have stood by you through a lot of other scandals but are now pulling their support. people like senator john mccain. >> coward. >> carly fiorina. >> she's a four.

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time now for data download. even before the trump tape was released, donald trump was starting to sink in state and national polls. we have two brand-new maris polls taken earlier in the week. in the four-way race in florida, hillary clinton leads donald trump by six among all registered voters. 45-39. the race does get tighter when you cut it down for likely voters, here clinton leads by three, 45-42. three points is a big lead in presidential politics. trump doesn't have a path to president without florida. a so-called firewall of pennsylvania. it looks like one. pretty solid among registered voters she has a double digit lead in the four-way race, 48-36. guess what, when you cut it down for likely voters, that double digit lead is there, 45-37. 12-point lead for clinton in pennsylvania could mean she's

likely gaining next door ohio as a couple of recent polls have suggested. remember, all of these polls are in the field before the news of trump's "access hollywood" tapes broke. coming up, we'll tee up tonight's unusual presidential debate in st. louis. and later, seth meyers on comedy in politics. >> we don't think of it

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hard thing for him. >> this isn't a particularly great format for her either. she's been so incredibly scripted through this campaign. even a lot of evidence that the town hall she does do, she prescreens the questions. so to the degree that she gets asked a question that's uncomfortable about bill clinton's past or the way she handled bill clinton's past, it could end up not being a great night for her either. >> it's also true, though, with the trump tapes, this has broken through from the political roundtable through to culture, right. as soon as the trump tapes went live you had women going on social media to do something extremely brave, which is share their own stories of sexual assault. >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. but what happens when a woman says, you know, i've been touched against my will and here is how i felt about it, mr. trump. how does he deal with that? that's a tough one. >> we're having a style discussion, how is he going to present. think back to the first debate. it's not that he had a bad

debate in the way george w. bush did or barack obama did, for the first time in history you saw a candidate for president of the united states who was absolutely incoherent talking about nuclear weapons in one breath and then attacking rosie o'donnell in the next breath. it was unprecedented how bizarre it was. i think tonight he's going to get questions. has he no policy depth. he doesn't know anything on these public policy issues. he's incoherent object national security issues. i think you'll see in this debate what happened in the last debate, just an inability to make it through 90 minutes. >> the best news would be for donald trump if the debate shifted away from talking about these tapes and onto policy where he is as bad as you said. >> arguably that's the case. the other thing we've spent little time talking about is that hillary clinton's e-mail -- more e-mail from the clinton campaign was released. in it she is talking to wall

street one way and talking to regular voters another. this is getting almost no news, because, once again, we're talking about donald trump. >> blocks out the sun. >> he blocks out the sun, that's a great way to put it. >> heather, she is going to have to answer that question tonight, the personal -- the public and the private. you know what's interesting about both leaks is it made everybody -- it reinforced a stereotype. with trump it reinforce add grotesque stereotype. with clinton it reinforced this politician stereotype. >> we elect politicians to office. >> how dare you. >> this is a different mom. trust me, i'm as progressive as anyone. my organization has been strug licks to reign in wall street. >> do you trust her. >> someone who goes to the center of the political moment has made it easier for

progressives to know how to organize. i'm serious. in january we know that actually as opposed to what happened when barack obama came into office, this is what progressives talk about right now. nobody wanted to organize against him and hush him to the left. >> that's not going be the case. that's very interesting. >> i think it's deeply comforting for republicans that behind closed doors that she thinks bernie sanders is nuts. for a lot of republicans that cannot vote for donald trump, i think it's comforting. >> by the way, let me put up our new battleground map. we put it up friday and now it feels obsolete. essentially we have, as you see, very few toss-up states, florida, north carolina, iowa, nevada, and new hampshire at this point. we don't have pennsylvania in there. we made this decision before we knew our pennsylvania numbers and it was reinforced there. where does this map go from here, steve? after this, what do you expect? >> it goes blue.

yes, the bottom is falling out. >> what next? arizona, georgia, utah. >> let's step outside of the revelations on friday from the tape, and let's just look from the debate performance through the attacks on miss universe, the midnight tweeting. it's the worst week a presidential candidate has ever had in october in a presidential election ever. period. >> there are going to be a lot more swing states come wednesday. >> swing states we've never seen before. kansas, watch out. who knows? >> there's been a lot of talk about senate republicans distancing themselves. john mccain is the only one that's really publicly done that in advertising. i think the question is, is it going to be tuesday, wednesday, thursday before the rest of those ads show up. >> and is it too late? >> let me pause there.-9 back in 45 seconds. back in 45 seconds. end game and what seth meyers - this costs you money and runs on gas. this saves you money and runs on calories.

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working and middle class majorities of both parties. both sanders and trump have shown that. can we continue that into policy i think is the qñawáion. i democrats take back the house. if you look at polls you put up from pennsylvania and florida earlier, there's a question there. only 4 and 5% respectively are willing to change their votes. yes, that was before "access hollywood" tapes. people are really dug in. it's hard for me to imagine that while donald trump may lose a few points here that it's going to be quite as wide as we think it is sitting here today. se pennsylvania and florida, 12 se point lead for hillary, 4 point over toomey, meant a lead from a candidate democrats are walking away from. >> inside party, hit the emergency button. we're at that hour now. chairman priebus has some enormously difficult deciding toss make monday morning to see

what he can save and begin the prospect of rebuilding the party after what's in be an armageddon moment on election day. >> i think we need to -- we don't know about the wave yet because we don't know about knowns, unknowns. what happens when more things -- if and when things come out as we've been told. what happens if it turns out donald trump wasn't all talk and no action but women come forward and say he grabbed me there. and.áhe question of how quickl and how soon republicans renounce 'ctrump, i think the e boats are getting awfully full. >> i do think in tonight's debate and donald trump is the wrong person to do this, but hillary clinton has never been asked about)/p the way she described the women who accused bill clinton, all alleged, but near 20.

i do. i think there's no way in the world donald trump doesn't bring that up and it doesn't become a shouting match pretty quickly. w always wondered i has to have an!u answer that'st a deflection. >> her answer is my husband is not on the ballot. i am. >> but4g5át is and she handled that in a way -- >> my husband cheated on me and i stayed with him. you cheated on your wives and left them. >> interesting statement. all right. let's lighten the mood here a little bit. our buddy seth meyers is bringing his late night show to d.c. all this week and i sat down with him on friday. we talked about donald trump and this specific joke he made the last time he had a big deal time in this town. >> donald trump has been saying

that he will run for president as a korepublican, which isewç he was running as a joke. >> obviously at that moment you didn'tc÷ know his expression th night. >> i do now. >> everybody else -- i'm sure you've seen this clip. there's been reporting and speculation that said the ridicule he receivedúú gave him more drive to prove everybody wrong and run. >> i -- sincerest apologies to everyone if that's the case. >> do you feel like there's a duty about this election? >> i don't feel -- i also don't think i could fulfill it if there was a duty. i don't think we have as much influence as every now and then people will write or claim taos have. yeah, i don't feel it's a duty. i genuinely enjoy doing it, though. >> that was about seth meyers and whether comedians in this last month have a duty to denounce trump more so than ever, or whether you just be

funny. >> at least we found somebody who is enjoying this campaign. >> it is hard. >> they are not journalists, they are entertainers, and their job is to entertain. it's not to, you know, put in the minds of the public, you know, thingd/d about candidates which they are not qualified to be putting forward. >> but they do reveal an essential truth about these candidates. so from a political adviser perspective, we try to mitigate their weaknesses. they reveal who they are. that's part of this process. it's a full reveal. >> they are the mri technicians of american politics. programming note, msnbc will have live coverage of a town hall-style face-off between donald trump and hillary clinton, the most surreal debate in amerqun history, i can promise you that. s)=9ì(lc% that's all we have today. be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's

it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. >> because you'd be in jail. >> secretary clinton -- >> and that was just the taste of the hard tone of the second presidential debate. >> but it was donald trump who went on the offensive for his grossly made comments by gathering a group of women who are accused bill clinton of exual misconduct. breaking overnight. defensive efforts taken against two missiles in the reddey. plus, aftermath of hurricane matthew is causing record flooding and heart-pounding rescues. we'll tell you who's at risk. "early today" tarts right now. good monday morning. i'm francis rirara. >> and i'm ayman mohyeldin.