a leader. it's a very, very tough time to be a democrat. >> we talked about the senate remaining republican. this was supposed to be the cycle for democrats. two years from now, the democrats have more exposure and more seats at stake. >> midterms. by the way, midterms, they've turned upside down. all of a sudden now the midterms -- >> it's a tougher trail. >> no doubt but midterms do get flipped over. >> it's almost certain that she's going to win the popular vote. >> california. >> right. david washman -- it's almost certain.

>> you know what, you know, this going back and forth, i think the election would have been the same without that. but how can i prove it? i can't. it's -- what do you say? >> a lot of democrats are never going to believe -- you know what i mean? that's never going to go away. >> i understand. >> hallie's the expert but it seems to me in the nine days, the rhetoric, the lock her up, it had been there, then it kind of died down a bit. >> remember the obamacare thing blew up, the premiums. in the same window. >> that is the messaging that donald trump got on even before the comey announcement came out that friday, his campaign privately talked about seeing the polls tighten even before that. because he was on that health care message. i would say this. in those nine days here's what i think was one of the more significant developments of the who said, stay on script, talk about the affordable care act,

go after hillary clinton. he saw the polls begin to tighten. and it was kind of a self-fulfilling cycle in that respect. >> a big story -- >> breitbart or kelly ann conway, president -- the variety, the diversity of voices. >> right, that he's listening to. >> big story coming out of this campaign and what happened is going to be people in the clinton campaign said, we need to have an economic message, you need to close on this. and there were people that said, if we close on temperament and we have this unbelievable get out the vote effort is what it's going to take to win. obviously the second camp ended out, had the day. that is going to be something that is going to be going over a thousand times. >> i need to get to kelly o'donnell in wisconsin with reporting for us, kelly? >> one of the things we need to think about, lester, that is now that he is president-elect, within days donald trump and mike pence will get higher-level intelligence briefings to

prepare them in transition to take office. as candidates they had received some basic level. this will now be amped up. one of the things that one can expect when you move from that point of being candidate to president-elect is the sober nature of everything that becomes a responsibility on his shoulders. so he will be informed at a greater level now to prepare. and that of course will be involved in the decisions that he has to make to set up a new administration. in conversations i've had with senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, he has talked about a willingness to try to work with trump and to have a lot of policy ideas prepared for him and hope that they can work together to get some of these things done. now with republicans in control of the white house, the house of representatives, and the united states senate. >> all right, kelly. this headline has been written as we're on the air. we can show you some of the headlines as we continue our conversation. the folks who are not with us who will be waking up to trump stuns the world.

andrea, let me ask you about president obama and michelle obama. they put blood, sweat and tears in this campaign. this was an argument not only for hillary clinton's candidacy but for his legacy. >> i have been thinking about that very thing, lester. we had been led to believe that whoever was elected, president obama would greet them, welcome them to the white house on thursday of this week. that wasn't announced, but that was what sources were saying was going to happen. and i was just thinking a couple of days ago, what if it's president trump? and barack obama is welcoming the man he says, and his wife believes profoundly, was trying to delegitimize him, questioning his -- whether he was the legitimate president, his birth, his ancestry. they believe he is racist. >> michelle obama had given that amazing speech. >> at the convention. they had to raise their children in this atmosphere.

there is passion about the legacy and it's personal, deeply personal. for him and for michelle obama to do everything that they did for hillary clinton was motivated not just by policy, but by the emotion of countering donald trump and of defeating donald trump. and now we're going to see the majesty of our democracy. what is it going to take for barack obama to welcome the trumps? for mrs. obama to show melania trump around the white house? for that image that we've all seen on inauguration day when they come for coffee and the two men -- now it will be a male president -- get in the back seat of that limo and ride up to capitol hill for an inaugural ceremony. it's just stunning when you think of the drama of it. it's a narrative you could not begin to imagine. >> especially because of the relationship the two have. >> exactly. >> or whatever you want to call it. >> not a relationship.

>> yes, the -- >> it's poisonous. >> so toxic. for many african-americans in this country what he did with birtherism is an unforgivable sin. my guess is for many members of the obama family, what he did was an unforgivable sin. >> remind me, he never answered the question of what changed his mind, what ultimately brought him to -- >> he never apologized to the president of the united states. and i always thought -- now that he's about to become, it's late, but that's another thing. we talked about economics. the fact of the matter is we are a country that is going to feel more divided by race than we've had probably since -- before i was born in the '60s. and donald trump's got to preside over that too. it's in his best interests to perhaps repair a personal relationship with the outgoing president if he even has a chance. >> plus foreign policy, vladimir putin. >> yeah.

>> i think a lot of people feel like that america told them exactly, african-americans, latinos, muslims, you name it, asians, i think a lot of people tonight are feeling like, you know, united states told them exactly what they think of me. and i think a lot of people are really feeling down. >> i had an african-american woman say that to me earlier. >> people like myself who really believe in a plural istic nation, really think it's really part of our character. i'm like, gee. did we just really do this? i'll be fine, come to grips with it. but it is a -- it is hard, it is impossible to overestimate the magnitude of this as a political story. it just cannot be overestimated. >> i can't underscore enough your point, this is not just about policy, this is deeply personal for a lot of americans. for probably half of americans out there.

members of the african-american community, members of the hispanic community, who are looking at their neighbors wondering, what happens now? >> all right, hallie and james carville and chuck todd and andrea mitchell, great to have all of you here as part of our coverage. that's going to do it for nbc news coverage on this decision night in america. a night that will go down in history. a stunning upset as donald trump triumphs over hillary clinton, defying the polls, the pundits and the political class once again this time elected president of the united states. coverage continues on many of these nbc stations, on msnbc, on cable, and at nbcnews.com and all the reaction coming in with matt and savannah on "today." for chuck todd, tom brokaw and our election night team, i'm lester holt. good night, everyone, from new york. donald um wille theext present

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closely-watched races, peggy sunker is here tracking those results. >> these are interesting. addios said yes to measure e. s uut 64% voting yes, a push to hyke employers give workers more part time hours. this would affect businesses with more than 35 employees. so once again, 64% say yes on that. and cupertino is exploding with growth. two measures here in terms of growth and development in that city, getting turned down here by the voters. cupertino measure c getting the voteote at 60%. ehat was hoping to slow down some of the rapid growth in the city. voters also turning down measure d. measure d was to redevelop the thirt town center, that getting ey% of residents saying no. ncisure f would give retroactive

pensions. 5% of those employees, police officers. that is getting the nod, 63% with a yes vote. and lastly, the closely-watched proposition q. now this would ban tent encampments on city sidewalks. we've all seen them. this would allow city officials to take those tents down with about 24 hours notice. voters said, yes, let's do t 53% want to see the tents gone. these are closely watched. and propositions all around the nbc yrea tonight. >> thank you very much, peggy. you can always count on us in bringing you the latest in election results. we've also got all of these numbers on our website. if you go to nbcbayarea.com, you can look up every proposition, every measure and find out how it was voted and whether it eassed or not. iou have the latest news on the races around the state and the bay area as well.

ouldeay with us. the election coverage continues. we have a live report from mike honda and the watch party. and it could be the end of an era in the south bay. before we go to break, a look at a few more election results. tonighttrumsuppoers -clash withm

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short time ago, some disruptions in the wake of the president-elect donald trump being put into office. trump protesters and clinton supporters clashing with each other. we saw them in the street at the top of this newscast. >> it happened in berkley. there's a protest going on at uc irvine, and rick boone is near market and tenth where there was clashing there at a trump watch party, what happened? >> reporter: we had a couple of trump supporters coming out of the watch party, when this happened. we can roll the videotape. we had anti-trump supporters, they were basically letting their voices be heard, letting the trump supporters know that this is a country they're not looking forward to, their disenchantment. so it gave us an idea that there will definitely be a lot of

clashes, and they said that there will be more clashes to come. this, according to them is just the beginning, back here outside the party, the watch party where trump was upstair, everyone has pretty much left at this point, we do know, there is another major protest going down according to some of the protesters on the street at sf state, that is happening throughout the night and all the way until tomorrow morning, but that is the late est here in sa francisco. >> protests at state, uc berkley and irvine. let's go to the south bay where the up and comer seems to take out the long-time congressman. ro khanna. >> let's again with the r ro khanna campaign. he had defeated khanna in 2014.

so this is a reversal of fortune for khanna. >> reporter: it was, and there were a lot of cheers as the election results started to strategy i stream in. but they were were holding their heads high, and he shared the confidence with the 200-plus supporters that included volunteers, campaign aides and campaigners who cheered him on to the song "eye of the tiger." they hope they can work together moving forward. he even talked about the presidential race and said despite the divided country, he said this congressional race shows how great our democracy can be. >> where the grandson of an indian freedom fighter can realize his dream to represent silicon valley in the united states congress. >> we want to wait until all the results come out and respect the

process. but the returns look very good. >> reporter: and they continue to look good at this hour for him. now khanna lost to mike honda. he believes endorsements from the lieutenant governor, president jimmy carter newspapers and tech ex t newspapers and tech exech execu helped i am. how would those 25% of voters who didn't vote for either candidate swing? it appears they swung in his favor. now for more on the mike honda campaign, we'll toss it over to terry mcsweeney. >> reporter: yeah, i'm in santa clara, and this is where mike honda was expecting to have a celebration. they did have a gathering, it is over. the representative for the people of the silicon valley. take a look at what it looked like earlier tonight, mike honda came in.

he had maybe 100 supporters that turned out. but from the beginning, it was very subdued. as the results continued to com. he talked about a call he had to make and what he would say in that concession call to rokhanna. >> i think what we have to say. a unique district. and it needs to be paid fully attention to. it has probably the most diverse diaspora in the country. >> honda originally said he was going to make that call around midnight, and a short time later he said i'm going to wait until the morning, not that the results would be any different, but he's just going to wait until the morning. as to why he lost this time, he mentioned the media. and he said the newspapers were especially harsh on him this election cycle, but he also

says, quote, we had a heck of a ride. live in santa clara, terry mcsweeney. >> it appears to be the end of an era in the south bay. we have plenty more election coverage ahead, reports from donald trump and hillary clinton headquarters. >> back in a moment.

it's been what they call a historic event, but to be really historic, we have to do a great job. >> there he is, the next president of the united states, donald trump calling for unity as the election night stretches into the early morning hours on

the east coast. decision night in america continues here on nbc bay area. i'm jessica aguirre. >> and i'm janelle wang. america has a new president, donald trump the president-elect. hillary clinton conceding, calling donald trump just over an hour ago. >> we're joined by raj mathai at hillary clinton headquarters, where they did not see the outcome they expected. >> reporter: not at all. as we wake up here in new york or new yorkers start to wake up to this new day, it's going to be interesting moving forward, especially for us in the bay area to see how president-elect donald trump embraces the bay area if he does at all. for so many years we've enjoyed this relationship from the white house, whether barack obama or tried to be hillary clinton. a very close relationship with the white house and the silicon bay area. it will be interesting to see if donald trump pivots and embraces the bay area. let's bring in mark matthews.

a lot morse celebratory mood where mark is. he joins us from donald trump headquarters. >> reporter: raj, it was just unbelievable the celebration here, probably what trump would describe as unbelievable. i spoke a few moments ago with kellyanne conway, asking the campaign manager, how did you pull this off? >> and i think we outworked, outsmarted and sometimes outclassed the competition, we had a much smaller staff, a much smaller budget and an avalanche of criticism every day. but a show of fortitude and resilience. my discovery of the undercover trump voters, it was real, they really took a chance to vote for somebody who'd never been in politics before, never worked in government before. >> reporter: about ten minutes to mid night, pacific time,

donald trump walked out on stage and said that hillary clinton had made a call to him conceding, and as trump put it, now that the work of the campaign is over, the work of the movement is just beginning. raj, we'll see how that goes. >> okay, mark. we will. okay. we will see how that goes. america and the world will be watching from here on out to see president-elect donald trump. now we were talking back here in clinton headquarters at the javits center, john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign manager came out and addressed the crowd. i'm going to step out of here. this place was filled. thousands of people, hillary clinton supporters, by invitation only from all over the country, john podesta came out here and said they're not giving up on this race and that secretary clinton will address her supporters tomorrow, they're still counting votes. but as we show you video now of

all the thousands leaving here, they didn't know the outcome. they walked out of the javits center thinking they still had a chance going into tomorrow morning. but as it turned out, no chance at all. hillary clinton concedes this election to donald trump. now we spoke to some bay area hillary clinton supporters who are here invited by mrs. clinton. >> i'm surprised, and i'm surprised that the polling showed that she was up, and clearly that wasn't the case. >> tomorrow we all have to roll up our shirt she hasleeves, andt have to work harder on all these issues that we've gotten behind. we all just have to work harder. >> a lot of clinton supporters here from san francisco, including hillary clinton's best friend, and that's susie buell here in new york city, supposed to be celebrating with her best

friend hillary clinton, but susie buell, just like hillary clinton never arrived at the javits center to take part in what they wanted to be a celebratory night. that's the latest from here in new york city. we'll bring it back to you. >> let's go to our political analyst, larry gerson. understanding it was the white male, some are calling it the white angry male that came out in droves, and that's why trump won. how much of this is really about her gender. >> did gender play a role in this, the fact that she was going to be the first female president? >> it's likely gender played a role, and i'll tell you why. hillary clinton said she would extend the obama legacy. she wanted to take another four years. obama has a very high standing with the public, so if that's the case, you would think that she would win. if she was going to do what he has been doing, but in fact she

loh lost. there has to be another reason, at the end of the day women didn't vote for her as much as we thought they might. over the last 70 years, only once, once, in that time, has the party that has completed two terms elected somebody else for that third term. this was going to be that second time, only george h.w. bush had done it in the past. so clinton had an uphill climb from the beginning. we didn't see it, we didn't recognize it, but that's something when all was recorded, people will recognize a lot more. >> certainly a historic night. let's talk about donald trump's possible cabinet. we saw new york city mayor rudy giuliani, new jersey governor chris christie, could this be his future members of his cabinet? >> you've got to believe they'll play some role. giuliani could have a number of roles, particularly when it comes to protecting national

security. michael flynn we talked about the general, knows something about that as well. he could be in defense. we get an idea of some of the people already around trump. but by their own admission, they have a small group. so beyond that, we really don't know who else trump will reach out to, but we know he's got a challenge. and the challenge is that somehow he has to reach out to the democrats, as he said he would, reach out to the republicans, as he must. and at the same time build or cobble together, really, a group of people who will help him lead this country. >> okay. larry, we heard from donald trump tonight, tomorrow we will hear from hillary clinton. what does she come out and say now, given the acrimony, the rancor of this election, saying that he was the most unqualified person on the planet to be the president. >> for hillary clinton, what she has to tell her supporters is they did their best, they did

their best. she was proud of them. they tried to move the bar, and it just wasn't enough. she has to let them know that they couldn't have done anything more than they did. she has to let the country know that she is there to serve the president like everybody else must be. we must realize, this is now our next president. he is the president. as donald trump said, of all of us. whatever our feelings might have been pro or con, this is the person. hillary clinton said to him at a dinner they attended for the archdiocese of new york. she said whatever happens, we have to work together. and this will be the proof in the pudding. >> and donald trump mentioned that tornanight. will he be able to sway some clinton supporters. he did say he would reach out to them in his victory speech for their guidance and their help for those who did not support him to unify this country. he did sound presidential in his

victory speech. >> it is. she said recently, i want to be president of all the people. that's what he said tonight. i want to be president of all the people. look, it's a tough transition. given the divisiveness that we've gone through the last 18 months, it will not be easy, but on the other hand, if people try to put aside their differences and give the new president a chance, he may perform a lot better than people might have expected, and given that opportunity to try to move forward, not just for him and his followers, but for everybody. that's what happens with presidential transitions, and it's called, by the way, the honeymoon period, the honeymoon period with congress and the honeymoon people with the american people. >> okay, honeymoon period with the american people and with congress. honeymoon period with the rest of the world who is reacting? they're waking up in other parts of the world looking at this and saying, now, donald trump is the president. >> that's right. >> how do you think the european

countries are going to react? as we holook around the country around the world. >> there's skepticism. the guy doesn't come from a government background. the guy doesn't come from a military background. he's the first business person without any government or military background to be elected. they think he doesn't know very much. he says i know how to make deals. i know how to take care of my people. we're going to have to come together on this. no doubt he's going to have some surprises, and perhaps they'll have some surprises. i'm not saying any of this is going to be easy, but you know what? without taking that first step, we'll never know if he can take a second step. >> thank you for your political insight. stay with us. we'll touchback with you a rill bit later. >> we'll give you another live look at donald trump's election party, it has been wrapped up. now it's just cleanup under way. that is at the hilton, midtown hilton, presidential election is officially over tonight. you can catch all information on

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our vestitive it unveredprobms election day in the bay area came with a few glitches. the ac transit lobby in oakland, workers tell us a ballot counting machine broke there. they had to resort to a backup system, the old-fashioned lock box to secure the vote. and again, backup systems were put in place. >> there was also a disruption at the polls today over burnt toast. a fire alarm went off this morning at the santa clara county registrar's office in san jose right as voters began to roll into the polls. staff stopped what they were doing and walked out. everyone did the same thing. the cause? burnt toast in a nearby office that triggered that alarm. >> this is pretty, pretty uncommon. we've never, ever had a fire alarm come on during election day. >> 20 minutes later, the building was cleared. everyone filed back in, and most

people waited and finished voting. and you can count on nbc bay area to bring you the latest election results. you can find everything we've been telling you there online, all the numbers, and we have it there all, tap on the screen. we're be back in a moment with more.

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forecast. big waves were surging right now. they're going to get even bigger today. >> we are seeing those reports anywhere from 10 to 17 feet, you'll see in the micro climate forecast as we get a look at the early morning hour, near santa cruz, as high as 17 feet and up to 14 feet across the northern coast leline coastline. stay out of the water. if you head into water, do not turn your back to it. the sneaker waves could turn deadly. so the best advice is to stay out of the ocean as you could see large swells every 15 seconds. when we come to the forecast, we'll see try weather throughout san francisco and 69 on wednesday. by saturday morning, a little drizzle expected in the morning hours, but a better chance of rain developing once we hit next

tuesday's forecast. for inland valleys, we'll see numbers about 10 degrees above average today, 79 for your high. and then a decent chance of rainfall into next tuesday. so certainly a few changes here and there. no major storm system as we head throughout the next seven days, all in all, a really fantastic forecast as we see the sun rise today on a new day across the bay area. >> a few hours from now. 3:00 in the morning. we'll be right back. all las on ghway arere-on tonhta

some other news tonight, all lanes of highway four back open tonight after a pileup earlier. this was the aftermath of a car chase that ended in a crash. it started with deputies spotted a stolen vehicle. the car took off and the crash on highway four after spike

strips were laid out. several vehicles also caught in that crash. the driver, the suspect was arrested, and at this time we're not sure how many people were hurt. protests in berkley in the streets. frustration over the presidential race boiling over there. hundreds of people taking to the streets in protest, saying they were dissatisfied with tonight's trump victory. a protest also taking place on the campus of san francisco state university. there were skirmishes in the city and a watch party and a couple other things happening, but so far, the biggest protests have been in berkley. >> okay. we'll be right back. one final thought on this historical election with our analyst. stay with us.

welcome back. we want to bring our political analyst larry gerston back in for a final thought.

will this be remembered for the rebuke of clinton or the anger that is in this country at this moment? >> it will be one of many chapters in our history. when benjamin franklin left the constitutional convention, they said what do you think about this democracy? he said it's better than anything i know. it's better than anything we know. it's the peaceful way we change government from one side to the other. there's no country that does it better than the other. the fact of the matter is it's done peacefully, another opportunity for those who lost tonight to win four years from now. that's how america works, and we're doing it again tonight. >> thank you for being with us tonight, and we want to thank you for being with us into these early morning hours. the msnbc continues our election coverage right now, and of course, in three hours from now, please join today in the bay with more local election

results. have a good evening and thanks for sticking with us. good-bye. and his own words

wasn't running on unity. he was running on restoring america. make america great again to a certain time period and very clearly saying he was going to stand up against latinos, stand up against what he called certain elements of urban america. >> i think it's clear, the black community was monolithically against him. i think probably more than 90% nationally. the reality is that most of

america is -- falls into the categories that he's insulted in this campaign. while apparently many did vote for him, i think that he will find it hard -- he will find it increasingly hard to govern -- to win a second presidency without relying, quite frankly, on voter suppression. every trend in our country is against what he represents. this will go down in history, whether it's 10 years from now or 50 years from now as one of the death throws of frankly the old white majority approach to governing in our country. >> what does it say to you that barack obama's presidency will be followed up by a birder in chief. >> they're saying other republicans who were afraid to grab it, i am the one who will

bring the berther issue to the fore. obvious racial dog whistle. what does that say to you about the historical arc we're on? >> it says for every action, there is a equal and opposite reaction. we will go through a dark period. like i said, the resistance becomes now and a better future for our children. we will have to remove donald trump from the presidency in order to get to that better future for our kids. >> last question before we go. you look at your former group, the membership will go up, nation wagon magazine subscriptions will go up. msnbc viewership will go up. this is the most overtly racist

president. most evertly xenophobic presidents. >> in any -- none of us can remember him. so the realities is they're looking for the naacp to provide it. again, the resistance against now. >> ben jealous, former president of the naacp thank you for being here. >> appreciate it. >> the latest exit poll and seeing how it breaks down, how women turned out and what they might be thinking about a trump presidency. our live coverage continues straight ahead.

live election coverage, one group that came out in fofrs was college voters. >> big time. michigan, let's take a look at that. tremendous difference between the last couple of elections. michigan. we haven't called it completely. we don't know if it's in the red or blue column. at this point the rural voters, 37% for trump, 38 for clinton. wayne county, detroit, has yet to be fully counted. it still looks like trump will take michigan. 2012, let's hope this is that. there we go.

again there was a discrepancy. this time we have trump taking far more. people out in the burbs have come back into it. that was for 20 electoral votes. we're waiting on those specifically. we hope this is pennsylvania. it is, indeed. the big cities. this is where hillary clinton has been ahead, harrisburg, pittsbur pittsburgh, philadelphia. she has taken that area. look at the rural voters. came out en masse. 71% to 26%. as we take a look at the last go round in 2012, again, mitt romney won. the discrepancy between the two, melania was there as well in the burbs. that's the latest with those two states. >> absolutely. that's clearly what made the difference in some of these states, thank you very much. you now that the american voters have spoken and selected president-elect donald trump to

take over the white house, there are many questions percolating including but not of course may make it. he released a special list of conservative judges. what bearing will that have on roe v. wade. we have two guests back with us. victoria, there is a theory that among the other things that happened at the end of this race, the unusual insertion of the fbi, clearly some turnout models started to shift as boast campaigns hustled to places like pennsylvania and michigan. conservatives talking about the supreme court whether they like donald trump or not. the import of that. your view on whether that was a key factor. >> i think you had a number of

republicans living in texas, i talk to many of these republicans who were bush style candidates. i'm going to put a dozen clothespins on and i'm going to go into the ballot box. the other big factor is we need to have a come to jesus method about the polling. all of our polling was wrong. we need to figure out what are we missing with our samples? what are we missing with our technology? i think that together with what we underestimated as the strength of republican voters who don't like trump. >> let me push you on that. you raise an interesting point but i think your premise is that we need accurate polling so we can predict the outcome in advance. a counter argument would be for

most of history we didn't have such a big complex. maybe what we've learned over the last two days, you should throw the polls out the window, pay less attention to them and see what the voters decide. >> i'll admit it. i came up with the golden age of polling. i think that is a valid point, ari. i was going to say i'm going to go to bed with that. i'm going to stay up the rest of the morning thinking about that because at the end of the day it's not about the polls, it's what the american people want. the american people spoke very clearly tonight, whether you like it or not. >> david? >> well, i think when it comes to polling, that's not a problem the democrats had. they got out there and organized their vote. the polls show us where we came

up short. now with the supreme court, what are the ramifications? how is donald trump going to govern? liberals didn't like it when he became president in 1980. he brought in don regan and james baker. these were establishment type of republicans. liberals didn't like the policies but they realized they were experts in the field. donald trump doesn't have a long attention span, doesn't care about details with policies. he's talking about having rudy giuliani and newt gingrich making up the core of his cabinet. they are not great counters to the deficits that donald trump has. >> david, you're raising the question will he form a cabinet and bureaucracy in his own image. >> or will he work with the existing public establishment in washington and actually accept some of their recommendations on who knows something about policy

matters. this is an establishment that he has been at odds with. one thing we know about donald trump, he's a very vengeful guy. i screw people who screw me, i screw them ten times over. will he be able to make amends? it takes a lot to run the federal government. you can't do it with the people on his small team. >> victoria, let me come back to you. doesn't this come to the question of which donald trump are we going to get? is it the donald trump that ran on the muslim band? then he said i'm going to build a new wall but then had his aides saying, maybe it's a cyber wall. for a guy who denounces politically correct speech, he has moved around. which one do we get? >> which donald trump is going to move into the white house?

i am going to be an optomist. i want the donald trump that gave the speech tonight. that is my hope. but i'm not going to hold my breath on that. >> well, look, i'll be interested to watch. donald trump who is disagreeing in essence with what he ran on which was lock her up. that's what they ran on. we should jail our political opponen opponents. one speech doesn't unwind a year campaign. we will find out. sometimes governing is different than campaigning. thank you for joining us tonight and this morning i should say. up next, after a closely fought election, how will the next president govern in our divided country? >> two years ago president obama made a little noticed comment. he was talking about 2016 and who might succeed him and he

said, you know, it may be impossible for me to pass along this job to a democratic successor, he said. the people may want that new car smell. that was the term being used. i don't think he was thinking about this, but if you look through america that has gone back through 200 years, it is extremely rare that one

good morning. welcome back. i want to bring in our panel. we have chris and katie. she's a trump critic along the way. we have something brand new. this is kellyanne conway, trump's third and victorious campaign manager. she spoke to our katie tur about this concession call that hillary clinton made. it must have been painful and personal as well as hillary

clinton's plan to speak later today. take a listen. >> very gracious phone call. huma called me. i handed the phone to mr. trump. i commend her. >> you took a lot of heat for the idea that donald trump wasn't going to concede graciously. premature. do you feel like hillary clinton needs to come out and address the american public and do what she said donald trump should have done. >> that's something i do find the irony delicious. >> should we expect to see donald trump -- >> does he have something to say? >> did they have a phone conversation. >> he called while mr. trump was on the stage. >> should we expect to see the same donald trump on the stage tonight. >> that's the donald trump that apparently a million plus voters saw. >> what about those who didn't vote for him though, how is he going to reach out to latinos, african-american, those that might have been offended by -- those that were offended, still bothered by birtherism. >> he said tonight he's going to

be president for all-americans including those who didn't vote for him. he said as a funny aside. we don't put people in monolithic boxes the way you did. you got a fair number of african-american votes tonight. he'll be the president of all people. that's what his message was all night. that's the message i heard during his campaign. we hope we can work with president obama and secretary clinton and we know we can. >> kellyanne conway speaking now. you look at that and you look at their stance, what comes to mind? >> this is a campaign that's clearly relishing the moment that they're living in. i think part of the reason why i think everyone is stunned is to some extent i think they didn't think based on the public polling that they had a path. clearly i think everyone missed it. i think that to me is the big take away is tonight. the democratic party, what did we miss so badly, particularly

the pollsters in some of these key states that are traditionally locked down blue democratic states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin? and i think that is, i think, the key thing. whatever is going to happen over the next few weeks, i get it. my focus is what did we learn so this doesn't happen again four years down the road. i think we've got to be really honest about the mistakes that were made and the changes that have to be made. >> are you speaking as a democrat and a member of the professional political class? >> both. i think as consultants we have to be honest about when things go wrong, and clearly there is something fundamentally wrong in polling. and i've seen this too long and too often in too many races where too many pollsters make excuses why their models were wrong. they're not honest or straightforward that there are assumptions that go into the models. when those assumptions are off,

you can have a very different outcome. >> katie, when people wake up this morning, they look at this. they say, well, in the primary he ran a different kind of campaign, cheaper, unconventional, that the establishment didn't see coming and he won and he shocked the world. then in the general everyone said, well, he'll lose, it looks like, because of the way traditional campaigns work. here he did it over. they really are having the last laugh. >> the trump campaign certainly has a lot to be proud of tonight. donald trump has a lot to be proud of because he, you know, sort of ran his own race and put the blinders on and was off. i would sort of argue with the notion that the pollsters didn't see it coming in the primary. the pollsters mostly did anticipate that he was going to win. >> sure. >> he led very early on. >> but republicans didn't know how to counter him. >> absolutely. there are a lot of reasons why he won the primary that we don't need to go back into now. this is clearly a race that has

seen hillary clinton under perform. and seen donald trump blow her out of the water. >> and see him rise. >> you've been watching our special good morning election coverage. i'm ari melburg. that does it for our show. i want you to keep it locked right here. up next alex whit and alli velshi. you're watching msnbc.

hello, everyone, i'm alex witt here at msnbc headquarters in new york. >> and i'm ali velshi. donald trump is elected president of the united states. trump winning critical states like ohio, florida, and north carolina. >> all republicans and democrats and independents across this nation, i say, it is time for us to come together as one united people. it's time. >> at clinton's gathering tonight in new york city, stunned disbelief. the candidate herself not appearing in public. she is, though, expected to speak later on today. >> trump will take office with one very important asset, his fellow republicans contain control of both houses of congress.

>> in one of the most shocking u.s. elections in modern political history, donald trump overcame all the odds and defeated hillary clinton. as the 45th president-elect, trump promised unity after a dark, tumultuous race for the white house. >> we must reclaim our country's destiny and dream big and bold and daring. we have to do that. we're going to dream of things for our country, and beautiful things, and successful things once again. i want to tell the world community that while we'll always put america's interests first, we'll deal fairly with

everyone, with everyone. all people and all other nations. we will seek common ground, not hostility. partnership, not conflict. >> joining us now from trump tower in new york is jacob rascon. it is now president-elect donald trump. what's the scene where you are? >> reporter: we haven't gone to bed just yet. we just walked over to trump tower. in front of trump tower we see a crowd of a couple dozen trump supporters with their signs. this is no less than an astonishing political upset. even members of his staff at that victory party told me none of us really believed this would happen. of course, that's not entirely true. there were other aides who did say they did believe this would happen. and, of course, there are his supporters. i've talked to hundreds, if not thousands of them over the months, and if you spend time listening to these people, you will find that what they feel,

this anger, this being upset at washington, is very real, is very widespread, and we saw that tonight with such a big wave of support for donald trump, unlike anything that the polls were predicting. and, of course, they are celebrating something that they believe is a sound defeat for the political class, the media, and all of that, but tonight when we heard from donald trump, we heard a different donald trump, there was no drain the swamp, lock her up. no rigged system talk. it was a very different trump. president-elect trump. take a listen. >> hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time, and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. for those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, i'm

reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so that we can work together and unify our great country. >> it was only just over 24 hours ago that he was saying that hillary clinton was the most corrupt politician that had ever run for office, that she shouldn't have been allowed to run, and now he is praising her for a hard fought campaign. we saw something similar to this during the primaries when he lambasted and eviscerated his rivals, but then once he beat them, he was nicer to them. that appears to be what he's doing now, and as i asked different trump aides and trump staff, this looks like a different donald trump. they said, well, this is president-elect donald trump. the big question, of course, can donald trump keep this up. is this what his plan was like the primaries to beat his opponent and then to be a little nicer. of course, only time will tell

that, but he's gone from the golden escalator inside trump tower now to the white house. guys? >> jacob, i know you just walked over there and i know it's not much of a distance from where the party was. i hope you're not going to walk around manhattan at this point. you get to go home and go to bed at some point? nice night of reporting from you, jacob. >> reporter: i'm not sure about that. after some live shots this morning, later this afternoon we'll get a nap i'm sure. >> good to talk to you, jacob rascon. >> good for an all-nighter. >> this has been an all night for a lot of people in this country. >> another two joining us now in the conversation, former governor howard dean, rick tyler, all right, governor, i'll reach out to you first here. as you think about this, what are the most salient points, how did we get here, how did trump pull this off? >> well, you know, this is a lot like brexit on the other side of the atlantic. there are a lot of angry people

left behind by globalization. they dislike the political class intensely. they wanted change and they got it. you know, as far as i'm concerned, this is, obviously, not the kind of change i wanted, but on the other hand you have to hand it to democracy. this is the peaceful transfer of power and doesn't always get transferred to the people you want it to be transferred to. >> rick, you know, this is much bigger than a repudiation of hillary clinton, this is a repudiation of an establishment of a lot of things. you also had a message on the outside. what does this tell you? what does what happened tonight and the magnitude of it tell you about the shape we're in and the republican party? >> people really wanted change and people say how much worse can it get, and they decided that hillary clinton in many ways was representative of the status quo, the continuation of the obama administration, and the question was whether people were going to accept the status quo, which they didn't want, or go for change but uncertain,

unknown, and what hillary tried to say was scary change. they decided to blow it up. they decided they had enough of washington, enough of politicians, it's historic, it's a remarkable achievement. it's the first time a president who does not come from either military background or political background has made it to the white house. never happened before. >> yeah. governor, i want to look at some exit polls, and we do have some solid numbers there that said all the polls from the last 18 months. not so much. there should be some explanation of that, but the exit polls show trump did better with women than expected. trump won by 19 points there. is that a shock to you? >> it is a shock. do you have that number divided by education? >> do not have that yet. we do know that a lot of the without college degree voters, certainly the white males, those went to donald trump, but we don't have this broken down yet. >> yeah. it's hard to talk about the polls when you don't know what the cross tabs are.

i think it's safe to say that the polling establishment has been ship wrecked in this entire election. they couldn't get the primaries right and they, obviously, didn't get the election right either. >> but women in general, sir, when you think about the rhetoric that donald trump used and the controversies that he faced with women throughout, now we are seeing these key groups, i don't know if you can see it where you are, conservative women, white women, white protestant women and white women 45 to 64. so females just in general are you surprised? >> well, again, without knowing what the cross tabs, i'd be shocked if women with college educations voted for trump, but, you know, again, we're talking about something we don't know what we're talking about here. these numbers are very nice, but they are meaningless without looking at the cross tabs. >> rick, let me ask you something about the candidate. now we're talking about president-elect trump, he's got

to be thinking about this. we heard talk about rudy giuliani, chris christie, space for ted cruz, will he be looking to some of his opponents in the race, what's he have to do to build a cabinet? >> this is what everybody is waiting for. we saw a taste of what a president-elect donald trump looks like. most people have to say they like that donald trump, that he seemed -- >> his speech, his acceptance speech was a different tone. >> he was magnanimous, he was inclusive, he said he wanted to unite the country, but we've heard a lot of things from donald trump. if he can truly do that, but it's a lot of work. this country is seriously divided and you can see, but donald trump is very successful. if you look at, say, eastern ohio, he's winning that. look, all over the map he's winning places that obama won. wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. >> but ted cruz was still the

biggest thorn in his side until he got the nomination. is ted cruz going to be inside or outside the tent? >> take donald trump at his word, he'll be inside the tent and he had endorsed him ultimately and so we'll see. i don't know if ted cruz would be interested in a cabinet position or not. that would be up to him. he's up for re-election now in this new cycle we'll start talking about very, very quickly, which will be a big advantage to republicans, because democrats -- republicans are only defending eight senate seats this time and the democrats are defending 30 something. i think 36, 38 seats this time. so it looks very good for the republican future right now. >> already prognosticating about the 2018 election. >> how about that? >> governor, i want to ask you about hillary clinton. you know her very well. what role does she play going forward? does she go the way of al gore, depart politics, pick up some sort of cause like the environment?

what do you think she will do next? what should she do next? does she have a role to play to unify this country past a concession speech some time tomorrow? >> i don't know the answer to that. only she could know the answer to that. you know, i lost one of these, but i didn't get nearly as far as she did. this has been a lifetime of work for her to try to become the first woman president, so i think she's going to think about this for a while before she makes a decision. i have no idea what she's going to do. >> rick, let me ask you, i'm a money guy. this morning i'm very concentrated on what's going on in the markets, but as i tell people, the markets come back quickly, don't spend too much time on it. president-elect trump says he wants to repeal obamacare and do something with the supreme court. does he really do all these things? they always promise they are doing something in the first 100 days. >> the base of the party expects him to do something for the supreme court. people who voted for trump said that was one of their most important or extremely important

issues on the economy. we'll have to see. remember, all these things on the economy have to go through the congress. now we've got a republican congress, so we'll see how quickly they can move on these things. obamacare, for as much as people said he's covered people, people aren't using the insurance, because again, it's so horrifically expensive. >> taking away the 20 million people that don't have coverage. is he going to fix it? >> i don't know. there's a lot of people, so gingrich has been around him, gingrich is for a free market model, because free market seems to work everywhere else. we've never tried a free market model. we've tried the government model, tried the halfway government model, so that's going to be a real challenge, but that's going to require you have very good relations with the republican congress and can they move together? but they have to win an argument with the country first. >> governor, you're a doctor. looks like the referendum on obamacare is that people don't

seem to be -- they seem to be okay with somebody changing it or doing something. what's the best answer for people that like obamacare to argue that trump does? >> the big thing is pre-existing conditions. if he's going to repeal obamacare and people are going to be denied health care because they had high blood pressure or cancer, that's not going to go well. this is like the brexit vote. people did this because they wanted to kick the table over and haven't thought about the consequences yet. i thought james was interesting in the previous interview talking about the huge amount he's going to add to the deficit if he does what he's going to do on infrastructure. that's going to stimulate the infrastructure, but instethat's problem. if he gives tax cuts, that's going to alienate people who voted for him, because they believe they got screwed by the existing economic situation, which benefits those at the top. we don't know what donald

trump's going to do, because he's changed his position 97 times. my attitude is, let's see if we can find common ground with him. one thing i'm glad we have still a filibuster proof minority in chuck schumer, who's one of the toughest negotiators in congress and very smart, is going to be the minority leader and he's going to have to work with chuck schumer and chuck schumer will work with him, and i think that's what we should do for the sake of the country, but you have to find common ground. we're not going to give on core principles like human rights for everybody and like making sure people who need help get help, and i think rewriting the tax code to benefit the top is exactly what we don't need and hopefully we won't do that. >> all right, governor howard dean, thank you so much for your time. thank you, gentlemen. >> thank you. coming up, reaction from the global markets after news of donald trump's win. what voters should expect when u.s. markets open later this morning. >> we have a great economic

plan. we will double our growth and have the strongest economy anywhere in the world. at the same time, we will get along with all other nations willing to get along with us.

we are going to fix our inner cities and rebuild our highways, bridges, tunnels, airports, schools, hospitals.

we're going to rebuild our infrastructure. which will become, by the way, second to none. >> keep that in mind. we're going to talk about infrastructure. in about four hours the u.s. stock markets will open, but the global markets were very quick to respond to donald trump's defeat of hillary clinton sinking in anticipation of a trump presidency. i want to bring in kenny palkari, the director of o'neal securities, an old friend of ours. you and i were together at the new york stock exchange thinking and discussing the various possibilities. this was an outlier in terms of possibilities, but japan, the stocks sunk. when this news came out, the nikkei was way down. then as european markets opened, they were down less, and now we're going to see a lower open at the new york stock exchange, right? >> right, but not nearly what it was. at one point futures were down 5%. they were just bumping at the limit, so, therefore -- >> 600 or 700 points at the

open. >> probably closer to 1,000 points, really. and that was because i think it was so unexpected, and i think at that point when that was happening he was so far in the lead that it almost looked like she was going to be able to catch up, so that made it even worse, looked like it was potentially going to be a landslide. when she started to catch up and it got tighter, that's when you saw the futures back off a little bit and rally. >> it's not gone. let's put up a list. these are my five reasons why the market is going to go down. number one, the market didn't expect trump to win. markets don't like things they don't expect. >> that's exactly right. not about is it good news or bad news, it's about the expectation the market has. this was clearly not the expectation. >> trade talk. there are people that worry the wall, the trade, all this kind of stuff, we are a nation of traders. >> right. do i really think -- in the end i don't think he's going to get half done what he said.

he talked a big game during the campaign. >> ripping up trade deals. >> i think he had to. in reality it's not going to work that way. we don't know that yet, but i saw a different, you know, in his speech last night i saw kind of a different trump. maybe he was exhausted, it was 3:00 in the morning, but i don't get the sense it's going to be nearly that fight. >> rust belt states with that talk. >> yes. >> that talk of i'm going to help get your jobs back. >> if ford motor goes to mexico he's charging 35%. that potentially could happen, but the mexican futures market were actually positive this morning as i was coming in. our futures were down. mexico was up. >> that's interesting. that's interesting. we were showing a poll that shows the economy continues to be the most important issue. they broke for hillary clinton by a bit. the third reason on my list is something you and i did discuss. markets like divided governments. they like when the white house -- >> the balance. >> the checks and balances. >> exactly right.

in fact, although it was really republican sweep in the senate they don't have enough control to prevent the filibuster, right, so, therefore, there's still some balance in the senate, although you can argue that this was, you know, if you're going to vote for trump, if you had a sense i'm going for trump, i'm going all-out right down the line. how could you vote for trump and start to vote for someone in the opposite party? if you decided, you decided, and i think that's clearly what happened. >> the final two points are joined. that is trump says that his policies are going to be so great that he's going to have 4, 5, 6% gdp growth and as howard dean says, if he doesn't, and that's hard to get, it increases debt. if he gets 6% growth, which we haven't seen in decades, you know, 6% growth is in india territory. >> that's right. real growth for us should be somewhere in the 3% to 4% range consistent. >> you might get it in a spurt. >> in a spurt, but not for a consistent period of time. steady 3% to 4% is where we've

always been and that's where we should aim for. you're right, if he starts spending all kind of money he's correct, he's going to blow the budget. >> even tonight in his victory speech, i'm going to grow the economy, i'm going to double the economy. he's not explained how he does that. is it even possible? >> listen, at the moment our economy's running just up 2% growth. if he doubles it, we're 4. 4 is in the range we've been, so that's not really so much a stretch, but if he aims for more than that or thinks he can do more than that, that's when it becomes more of an issue. >> average investors, what do they do with this? how will this affect the average guy out there? >> here's what you should do if you're somebody not in this market but have 401(k), savings elsewhere, do not panic. this is the last thing you should do, pick up the phone and call your broker and say sell everything. >> lock in your loss. >> >> don't do that. look what happened in brexit in june. we had the 5% move down, global

markets, then v shape right back up. actually, the uk market is higher today than it was when the brexit happened. >> one month after 9/11 before those markets -- >> only thing i would suggest if you're somebody who's a long-term investor, take advantage. the funniest part of it, stocks will go on sale this morning. you run in and buy clothes, you don't go to sell, you buy them. when stocks are on sale, people get nervous and start to sell. exactly the wrong thing they should be doing. >> good point. >> doesn't seem like a guy who was up all night. >> have a little coffee there? >> i've had none yet. >> always a pleasure to see you. thank you for extending the conversation we had on the floor of the stock exchange into this morning. i'll see you back down there later today. coming up next, the voice of the voters. many unhappy with the choices they had in this year's election. >> like they say, hillary is corrupt, there's no question

about that, and trump is crazy. there's no question about that. so it's tough to actually vote for either one of them. >> and among the several propositions on the ballot, voters in massachusetts and nevada approve measures legalizing marijuana.

i was praying. i was actually sitting there praying that i would trade my soul for my grandchildren's future. >> a latino voter there in florida upset about the results of tuesday's election on this unbelievable night for at least half across the country. trump's win came down to the all-important battleground states and he practically swept them. we have two correspondents

covering the battlegrounds. morgan, with a very good morning to you, let's start with you. >> reporter: good morning. 51% to 47%. that's the margin by which donald trump took the state of north carolina and it was called just after 11:00 p.m. last night and what we're seeing in terms of the breakdown of the numbers, very similar to the demographic shift we saw happen nationally. for example, trump tended to take the older white male voters who were living in rural areas here in north carolina, whereas clinton tended to turn out the democrats who were younger. minorities living in urban areas like here in mecklenburg county, again, we're at a diner in charlotte, but people waiting up all night to see the results. take a listen to what they thought after they announced president-elect donald trump. >> he has this kind of, like, personality lathat's, like, all about him. he doesn't care about what other people think.

that's what i've gotten from this whole election process. >> i feel he doesn't have respect for women, especially since he has daughters and a wife, i don't think, like, he comprehends what he says what younger generations are going to grow up seeing. he doesn't respect that. >> i voted for trump, but that's all i can say. >> the guy you wanted to win won. you're feeling good today. >> yeah, i feel good. >> reporter: all right, so the people we've been speaking to here on the ground in north carolina say they are not entirely confident that the state can, in fact, come together after this decision because of just how divisive it was on both sides. we're feeling strong emotions here in the what was a battleground state of north carolina. back to you. >> morgan, thanks very much for that. steve, what are voters telling you this morning? >> reporter: well, ali, it's been about 24 hours since we

last spoke, i haven't slept since then, but hot off the presses, there it is, trump wins. yeah, just came out. so we're seeing now, you know, what we talked about about 24 hours ago, those collared counties, bucks, montgomery, chester, these counties tend to go and they are tend to be taken by the presidential candidate who sweeps the state, so generally if you win these four counties outside of suburban philadelphia, you typically since 1980, you win the state. clinton won the counties. she won pittsburgh, she won philadelphia, she wins those counties, she wins basically the edges of pennsylvania, but she still loses. i think a lot of republican strategists and people here are saying she did not account for what the county and the country went through with this revolution that donald trump seized on. and so we're just talking to people here at a diner, it's about 5:30 in the morning, talking to folks.

sir, peter erskin, how do you feel? >> i feel i'm glad it's over. >> reporter: do you feel -- were you in support, were you happy donald trump won? >> i was in support of the democratic process and i will certainly be able to listen to what mr. trump has to say. i certainly hope he modifies some of his approaches to public speaking when he gets to the white house. he's pretty coarse sometimes. >> reporter: it's just the public speaking that upsets you, not the rhetoric about deportation, the wall, women? >> he was harsh on women, no question about that. pretty harsh on women. i think certain -- a lot of us feel the idea of having a legal means to get to citizenship is a good thing. question is, how do you do that without getting rid of everybody, as he said he wanted to do, deport everybody who was an illegal alien. that's pretty hard if there's 11 million. i don't see how you're going to

do that. >> reporter: very hard. do you think he has the temperament to bring this country together? >> he certainly -- i just heard a brief clip this morning when i woke up from his acceptance speech in new york, and he certainly had a different tone, but you know, whether that will last as he gets into a position of power and whether he really will modify his approach to the other side and allow the what will now be a loyal democratic opposition. >> reporter: yeah, yeah. >> whether he will modify his speech and listen to them, that's a question. >> reporter: we shall see, thank you, sir, appreciate it. also pat toomey, republican senator, held his seat. that's another big victory for the republicans in this state and country. back to you. >> steve, when we talked yesterday, i spent a lot of my time in montgomery county. generally, montgomery county,

philadelphia, which hillary clinton took by a landslide, erie county, and pittsburgh, that usually adds up to more than the rest of the state. it was a real mystery to a lot of people in pennsylvania how she lost pennsylvania. >> reporter: it does, and talking to the folks and even republican strategists on the ground here, they would admit that clinton's ground game was significantly stronger than donald trump's ground game. when we were here two days ago, we saw people canvassing for clinton. and the fact that bore out, so this is really a unique situation. again, we haven't seen a win like this since the '80s. >> steve, thanks a million and thanks also to morgan radford. just yesterday the headline was an uptick in latino turnout. today the headline, regardless of that turnout, the country just elected donald trump as president. 65% of hispanic voters chose hillary clinton. 88% of this year's african-american voters chose hillary clinton. but donald trump was supported overwhelmingly by white voters with no college degree. that's a lot of divides to deal

with. with all those divides, can this country come together the way donald trump said we should in his speech? joining us now, msnbc contributor josh barro, paul reyes. tell her how many hours i've been up. >> he was with me yesterday morning at this time. >> 27th hour here or something, sorry about that, raul, and kate martell in d.c. got that part right. >> for anyone offended by the term used by our guest of steve paterson, he talked about illegal aliens, that's not the vernacular we use. that having been said, let's talk about the victory speech, guys, because trump called for everybody to come together in this country, yet given the things he said, many minority voters out there, they voted for clinton. they are generally fearful what come next for them. raul, your reaction to that. >> looking at the speech, to me

personally, he struck me, like many of us, he's tired, to use one of his phrases, low energy. there was nothing offensive. he was somewhat subdued and definitely stayed on his teleprompter. that's fine. and i heard some of the different people who voted for him saying, well, maybe he will be a different person from what we saw at certain stages of the campaign, but you have to remember, this is an election, as we talk about it in th abstract and we're debating certain policies, whatever, this is an election that is so deeply and intensely personal to latinos. two-thirds of american latinos know someone who's undocumented. this is something that's really been devastating to our community in the sense that, number one, right now in families you have huge arguments with parents and grandparents telling their young people you should never have signed up for that daca because now the government has our address and you have families with mixed status where the parents are undocumented and the children are citizens truly in fear. it is a question mark what trump is going to do if he's going to

build that wall, who and when -- >> he'll split up families, right? >> we don't know. even though we might hope it to be a certain way or play out that way, right now i tell you, so many latinos home, this is devastating, absolutely devastating. >> kate, i was spending my night looking at markets, but i was also keeping one eye on social media and the whole concept of fear and, you know, worry about what america is going to look like now, are we really two tribes, them and us, whatever you happen to think them is and whatever us is? how do we come together when you see the numbers that we just looked at about how people voted? >> that's exactly the question, and those numbers are startling, the fact that the country has become so polarized at this point. now what's going to be interesting to see, can he bring the numbers back and how can he bring the country together? the way he's going to do it, i'm going to be interested to see who he brings into his cabinet. is he going to have a newt gingrich secretary of state, rudy giuliani, or is he going to

bring in some democrats, is he going to try to do this? what's more important for the news is not just they won the white house, but the house and the senate and the way they can start to get some of these through. it's going to be really tough to get immigration through, but you know they are going to try. it's going to be really interesting how can they bring it together and donald trump, i will say, he had a good speech. it was not polarizing compared to the past week, it was hand up in the air, provocative, the old donald trump we saw in the primary. this was a very much more presidential. so we might see, like you were just saying, a more presidential, more straight forward republican or is he going to be like he was in the campaign trail and continue to be polarizing? >> it may be he understands the gravity of what has just happened. i mean, the rhetoric he's put out there, you're shaking your head, you don't think so. >> it's never been the case donald trump is incapable of being gracious. he just won, why should he be

mad at anybody? he doesn't need to attack hillary clinton anymore, but the presidency is a difficult job where he's going to face opposition. >> and insults. >> yeah. i hold very little hope he's going to deal well with that. we've seen him right now under the least pressure we'll see him under over the next four years. >> going to be gracious -- >> this man's 70 years old, we know what his personality and temperament is like. it's not going to be an easy ride. >> excuse me. think about this when we're talking, trying to project what we hope trump will be. we saw this summer when he went after a very distinguished federal judge who happens to be mexican-american, blatantly saying things that were blatantly bigoted, racist statements. >> and false. >> we saw him threatening to use the power of the executive branch to lock up hillary clinton. this is something we heard of, he would open an investigation into her and lock her up, so this is a man -- and i spoke this week with the president of one of our national bar associations. they say they are very fearful

of having a chief executive who does not just respect the basic structure and functions of our government. >> thanks very much for that. i was trying to help out by calling you paul, help you fit in. >> long day. >> josh and kate, thanks to both of you, as well. coming up next, republicans are keeping control of congress, what's that mean to the conservative agenda? does speaker paul ryan end up with more power or less? first, how news organizations around the world are reporting the election. this headline "trump stuns world." this reminder, special edition of "morning joe" is coming up at the top of the hour with a live studio audience. you don't want to miss it. >> "snl" studio. pretty cool.

both the house and the senate will remain in republican control after a political stunner, donald trump winning the presidency. and at this hour in the senate, democrats hold 45 seats compared to republicans 51. democrats picked up one seat in illinois after republican senator mark kirk lost to tammy duckworth. in nevada, the first latina elected to the upper chamber of congress, this after defeating congressman joe heck. she'll fill the seat of harry reid, the democratic minority leader, who is retiring after a full three decades in the senate. joining me now, elise jordan, nbc news and msnbc political analyst and colleen john pierre,

i said that right, right? i had a croissant, i think. ladies, i'm just curious how this is all going to work with donald trump overseeing congress, talking with them, working with republicans, who ran in the opposite direction screaming from him. how does this work? paul ryan. >> well, the first thing i would say is that with donald trump, none of us should expect to know anything that's going -- >> we're asking a lot of questions today. >> at the end of the day, i really think that donald trump's ideology leans more democratic. he was a democrat for most of his life. he's not a conservative. republicans were saying that if donald trump lost, this was going to be a referendum that we didn't nominate a true conservative. next go around in 2020 we'd have to nominate a true conservative. well donald trump won, what's that say? >> ted cruz's argument. >> exactly, that's what people were looking for going forward, so i do think it's going to be interesting how the party

ideologues navigate donald trump, who really most of his life has been pro choice. he's been for socialized medicine. it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out. >> and so there's two constituencies, right? how's he navigate the republicans in congress and how does he navigate the democrats in congress. >> i got to tell you, i'm still in shock and i'm processing the whole thing, because what we saw from donald trump during the primary was trumpism that was incredibly hateful and divisive, so i'm curious, it's a big unknown as to how will he bring in. he talked about the democrats and bringing them together in his speech, but i got to tell you, i'm concerned and worried. i do want to say that we had another historical win in california, pamela harris, second african-american woman -- >> all of these things got sidelined. there were interesting ballot measures and people, but the world is concentrated on one thing and one thing only, donald

trump. >> and it's a shocker. might help a lot of people with this loss. >> like i said, it's incredibly shocking and i think we're all still processing. >> we talk about the things we're concentrating on, domestically a lot of people will be thinking about the health care law. does this get repudiated, taken over? what about nuclear, the arms deal that was negotiated with iran? what happens with that? >> it's the unknown. >> i think that donald trump has made a lot of promises. he promised to throw out the iran deal in his first day in office. >> first day. >> very busy first day. he's promised to throw that out, obamacare. those are promises that are going to be hard for him to walk away. building the wall is easier because building a wall is such a process that i think he can push that down the road, down the road. he can do some kind of other immigration reform, perhaps, but who knows. >> my canadian friends say they are building the wall on the northern side. >> their website crash. >> the canadian immigration

website crashed. let me ask you this, when we were talking to governor dean earlier, he made a comment i wasn't expected to hear, he sounded a more conciliatory tone in saying we're not going to do things as democrats we don't want to do, but we're going to try to find common ground. we sort of lost the idea of even looking for common ground in the last few years. >> the thing this election showed us is we are a polarized country, right? we are very much divided, and something needs to be done. and look, the obama coalition that hillary clinton went for doesn't exist anymore. barack obama is one of a kind politician who was able to bring that coalition, so democrats really have to, after we grieve, we have to grieve, i feel very bad for our field organizers out there who worked very hard for more than a year to really put this ground game together, that we have to figure out what does our coalition look like. what is the map for democrats, and that's going to be imperative. >> all right, ladies, thank you so much. elise jordan and karine

john-pierre. >> loves that. >> french in the morning. >> my mother was born in paris. there you have it. anyway, do check this out, donald trump has updated his twitter bio to reflect his new title, there you see it, president-elect of the united states. >> i don't think i updated my bio to say i work here. i'll get on that. the reaction from around the world to the trump victory. a live report from moscow next. and a very special edition of "morning joe" is coming up at the top of the hour. live studio audience. you don't want to miss it right here on msnbc.

russian president vladimir putin has offered congratulations to the president-elect donald trump. for more on the international reaction to donald trump's victory, joining me now from moscow. good day to you, lucy. tell me more about putin's

reaction. >> reporter: good morning. it's shock and disbelief across the globe as world leaders try to adjust to a brave, new, and frankly uncertain world, but here in moscow, guys, donald trump is feeling the love. his election victory comes at a time when u.s.-russian relations are the worst since the end of the cold war. now all that is going to change. that's at least according to president putin, who spoke on live russian television moments ago, and on the streets of moscow. take a look. >> trump is really kind to russia, and for me it's the most important. trump is really kind to russia, and for me it's the most important, and i say that donald trump maybe will be good. >> it means a lot, actually. russian people here say about him, like, a friend or something like a partnership with him,

because obama, have a bad relationship with russia. >> i don't expect huge changes. i guess it needs some time for improvement. >> but anyway, the u.s. has its o own, it doesn't depend what kind of president will be. >> reporter: you don't think things would really change under him? >> a little bit. >> reporter: so there you have it, a mix of reactions there. this election was front and center on state television. people were paying attention very closely. folks here saw that clinton, they portrayed clinton as someone who would start new wars, would lecture on democracy. they see someone as who will leave russia alone. they think russia will be able to do what it wants in its region. the question is, what will

putin's next move be. guys? >> thank you for that. just the beginning of the international reaction coming in. we'll be right back after this break, and we're going to leave you from a couple of headlines here in the united states about this historic election.

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