and if me driving a that truck means that somebody gets to go home safer, then i'll drive it every day of the week. together, we're building a better california. we're going to be guarding our border with the military. >> on trade. >> we don't have a trade war. we've lost a trade war. >> and in protecting his embattled epa administrator, scott pruit. it may be good politics, but is it goo policy? i'll ask the president's top trade adviser, peter navarro and mike rounds of south dakota. plus what should happen to scott pruitt? he's a hero for conservatives, a target for liberals and a favorite of president trump's. >> scott has done a fantastic job. i think he's a fantastic person. >> now with growing scandals, can the epa administrator hang on to his job.

saving face. mark zuckerberg heads to capitol hill for tough questioning over the facebook data. the key player in the facebook drama who says more than 87 million people could have been impacted. >> i think that it could be higher. absolutely. >> my sitdown with christopher wiley. join me for insight and analysis are presidential historian, new york times pentagon correspondent, helene cooper and charlie cook, editor and publisher of the cook political report. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. president trump's latest motto could be if you first succeed, do it and do it again. when he ran for president mr. trump sensed that the country's mood was changing and he adopted more nationalistic themes, immigrants were flooding the

country so it was time to secure the border and china was ripping us off and it was time to hit them with the trade war. the world was taking advantage of us, and only he could fix it and it was time to make america great again and he did it with a loyal base of supporters and facing the midterms, and rather to broaden his appeal he's hunkering down, hugging his base once again from immigration to trade to protecting an embattled epa administrator revered by his core supporters, president trump is delivering what is base one and once again, he's doing things his way. >> if you have a baby on our land, congratulations. that baby is a united states citizen. >> president trump is refocusing his attention on the nationalist policies which he campaigned on, attempting to shore up good will among base supporters and the conservative media that influences them. on immigration, frustrated that only 33 miles of new fencing is funded under the 2018 congressional spending bill. angering some supporters on. >> as i see it right now

tonight, the wall is never going to happen. >> the president announced a surprise plan to work with governors to send up to 4,000 national guard troops to the border. >> until we can have a wall and proper security we're going to be guarding our border with the military. >> i look at it as kind of a show. >> and a return to the unsubstantiated campaign claim that is frequently used on immigration. >> women are raped at levels that nobody's ever seen before. >> on trade, the president is threatening another $100 billion in tariff osgoos on goods from >> we cannot continue to let this happen where hundreds and billions are taken from our country. >> echoing populist on the trail. the dow jones industrial average touted as a symbol of his success in office has fallen more than 4% sense he announced new tariffs on march 1st. >> i'm not saying there won't be a little pain.

>> and the political backlash among republicans on capitol hill have been intense. >> ben sasse calls the president's plan the dumbest possible way to do this and some white house aides have suggested that mr. trump's proposed tariffs are simply a negotiating tactic. >> there are carrots and sticks in life, but he is ultimately a free trader. >> even on his embattled epa administrator scott pruitt, the president is taking advice from his base instead of his advisers. pruitt is facing ties from lobbyists from whom he rented a condo and raises against his aides. >> you did not know they got the pay raises? >> i did not know until yesterday. >> while john kelly have advised the president to fire pruitt, pruitt is a conservative star ask allies have launched a coordinated campaign to save his job. >> he has become, outside of trump, the single biggest target

of the american left. >> so far the president has listened and pruitt has his public confidence. >> scott has done a fantastic job. i think he's a fantastic person. >> joining me now from west palm beach florida, president trump's chief trade adviser, dr. peter navarro. welcome to "meet the press" sir. >> mr. todd, how are you this morning? >> i'm doing pretty good. the administration wants to have it both ways, telling the chinese we're serious about tariffs and then telling the public, no, no, no, it's a negotiating ploy and a negotiating tactic. which is it? >> it's both, mr. todd. basically, what we have here is a situation where every american understands that china is stealing our intellectual property. they're forcing of transfer of our technologies when companies go to china and by doing that they steal jobs from america and they steal factories from america and we run an

unprecedented $370 billion a year trade deficit in goods. this is an unsustainable situation. what we've done in a very measured way over the course of many months is develop a plan to make the situation significantly better. that plan is being implemented and includes both tariffs to recover the damages that china inflicts as well as investment restrictions. we are proceeding in a measured way and those tariffs will be imposed and those investment restrictions will be imposed. at the same time there are discussions that are going on with the chinese, with ambassador lighthouser and secretary mnuchin, but we need to understand that we can go back to 2003 when we began to talk about these issues and talk has not been cheap. it's been very, very expensive to the american people. >> how do you expect the chinese to take the terror threat seriously if you're publicly saying it's a negotiating tactic

and we're not serious about it per se. we want to talk, but you haven't also really made it clear. what specific action do you want from the chinese to prevent these tariffs to be implemented. >> i don't believe if you play back what i said just a minute ago that i said it was a negotiating tactic. it's not. we're listening to the chinese. we're willing to work with them. this government, through bush, obama and now the courage and vision of donald trump we're willing to listen to the chinese, but we're clear-eyed about this. we're moving forward on a measured way with tariffs and with investment restrictions. what we want from china and what we want from china is very clear. we want fair and reciprocal trade. we want them to stop stealing our stuff. we want them to guard intellectual property and not take it from it us, and look, in your monologue in the beginning of this you played a clip from the president and he said we'd

already lost a trade war. well, bush and obama over the course of 16 years basically stood by what we lost over 70,000 factories, millions of manufacturing jobs and much of our traditional manufacturing base. what is at stake here, mr. todd, is the industries of the future, artificial intelligence, robotics and computing and what's at stake is not just economic prosperity, it's also security because many have profound military implications. >> i understand that, and i've heard these complaints for years from many of the industries. >> but you never saw action. >> that's what i'm -- what specific action. how will we know that china is changing its behavior? what is it that china -- give me the specific action that -- that maybe the president and xi announced together that will tell the american public that the chinese aren't stealing

intellectual property anymore? >> let's be clear-eyed about this. it's one thing for the chinese to admit publicly to a policy. it's another ching ththing for chinese to implement that policy. we had a number of years ago president obama agreements for not stealing our intellectual property through cyber theft. how is that working out? not very well for the american people. i don't think, mr. todd, there's any disagreement between you and i that china is engaged in these egregious practices. the only debate is how we go about solving them, but every american understands that every day of the week. >> right. >> china comes into our homes, the businesses, our government agencies and the damage is on the order of about a billion dollars a day and when you add to that damage the billion dollars a day and the trade deficit and goods we face, this country is losing its strength and wealth even as china has grown its economy from $1

trillion from 2002 to over 12 trillion today -- >> not many people in the midwest, many republican lawmakers including one i'm going to have on in a minute don't like the policy. hopefully the president is blowing off steam again, but if he's even half serious this is nuts. the president has no actual plan to win right now. he's threatening to light american agriculture on fire. this is the dumbest possible way to do this. what do you say to the criticism you're getting from the midwestern senators and governors of both sides of the aisle who are panicked about the agricultural industry? >> let me be very, very clear about this, when the president announced the additional $100 billion in tariffs, he also announced that he was directing sonny purdue, a great american and the secretary of agriculture to immediately implement a plan to defend american farmers. >> does that mean buying soybean

crops? does that mean buying soybean crops that the chinese won't buy? >> it's up to sonny purdue and the president to implement the plan and the details of the plan will be rolled out, but let me say this, mr. todd, how cynical it is for the chinese, basically rather than respond graciously and scott doing all of this bad stuff they're doing to attack american farmers. i think that's going to be a wake-up call for americans about just -- we've changed now our designation and the national security strategy of china to a strategic competitor. what does that mean? it means they are in competition with us over economic prosperity and national defense and this is a competition the president takes very, very seriously. >> i want to ask you about what's going on in the west wing. does john kelly still have the president's confidence? the washington post story over the weekend says this, kelly has threatened to resign on multiple occasions, it's sovrt a weekly

event and it's an expression of momentary frustration. have you heard of john kelly threatening to resign, mr. navarro and can you say whether the president still has confidence in him? >> every day of his adult life john kelly's got nothing more than to serve america. he's a great man and courageous man. he serves the president. he has the president's ear and runs the west wing well. that's all i know. that's all i see. what you don't see about him sometimes is his delight and humorous side. he's a pretty funny irish guy sometimes, but he has the confidence of the president and he's getting the job done and when you read stuff in "the washington post" frankly, that's fake news most of the time. >> i think that expression is a pretty unfair thing about a major news organization. that's a cheap shot, and it -- >> no, that's not -- mr. todd, that is not a cheap shot because if you look at the newspapers that i read every day across the spectrum "the washington post" in my judgment tends to attack the president more than any

other newspaper in its news stories. you can do anything you want in your editorials, sir, but you cannot say that -- >> the term fake news is not exactly a way to hold up the first amendment especially when the russian government just this morning is calling to use that phrase. >> i used to deliver "the washington post" in high school and guess what? that was a good paperback then. it's not right now. >> peter navarro, i will leave it there. thank you for coming on and sharing your views. >> my pleasure. joining me now is a republican senator from south dakota, mike rounds. thank you for being on the show. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> i know you want to respond about the comments. i want to ask you about syria. the state department indicates that yes, there appears to have been an attack by the assad folks and the russians are

acquiescing to this. already the russian government using the phrase fake news. this is fa this is fake news that there was a chemical weapons attack and that's why i brought up that phrase because our adversaries are using the exact phrase. you supported an air strike the last time syria did this. would you support another one and do you think the president needs to respond in the same way he did a year ago? >> he was a new sheriff in town. he needed to set the agenda, making it very clear that if we draw a red line in the sand that we're going to honor that red line so what you've got right now today is he's in office for more than a year and he's got to send a message once again that what he said he meant. i think we wait am the secretary of defense puts together his proposals and lays them in front of the president and the president needs to have the good advice and needs to know what his options are and then he should act decisively and he will hold not just syria, but i

think he will make it very clear that russia is also responsible. >> what are the consequences of not acting with the same tough that was he did a year ago? if he lets this go, what message does that send to putin and to assad? >> that's exactly the problem that we've got right now is that we have to be consistent and i don't care if you're talking about trade policy or our policy in the middle east. you have to be consistent. so he started out with the right policy. he was telling people, look, you will be held accountable for what you do. that's appropriate. it was appropriate a year ago. it would be appropriate today, but let's get all of our facts together. let's be prepared and let's do our strategic planning and let's allow the military where we could be effective in the way that we respond. don't be pushed into doing it based on putin's terms, but on our terms. so let's get everything put together first and then act decisively. >> new to the trade issue. no doubt about it that the

tariffs will be economically very tough on south dakota agriculture and that i'm aware of and that's the position you're coming from here. were you reassured at all from what you heard peter navarro just now? >> to a certain extent. sonny purdue, former governor purdue, i've known him for 15 years now. he will do everything he can. he understands how critical it is to have a good foreign policy and also one that allows for us to continue to expand our exports particularly in ag when it comes to the export challenges that wooe got in this country. he has limited tools available to him to respond in a case like this. we're talking about a lot of money that goes down just on the speculation of having a tariff put in place. let me give you an example. in south dakota, a small state, it's our second largest crop. we produce enough soybeans to where if you just dropped the price by ten cents based on the speculation of having china put a tariff on, a ten-cent

reduction per bushel is about 200 -- or $24 million a year for a ten-cent reduction in the price of soybeans. that's happening right now. >> look, there's a lot of people that want to hold china accountable for the intellectual property issue. no doubt about it and this has been a constant and the technology theft and all of the issues. how do you propose going about it if negotiation hasn't worked? >> i think you hit it on the head. in this particular case we have options. number one, let's quit fighting mexico and canada. they are our allies. we have a pretty good relationship with nafta. rather than going after nafta and going over there. tpp, the transpacific partnership where we have 11 other countries in the pacific rim area or right around china who would rather do business with us than with china, we stopped that negotiation a year ago. >> do you think that was the biggest mistake that we wouldn't be in the same place we are today because of that? >> i recognize the president thinks we can get a better deal

if we did them individually, but it's been a year and we don't have them done. number one, let's get them done. if we have 500 million people that would like to trade with us, this is around china. do you think china doesn't fear the united states having relations with those countries right around the area that they're trying to expand once again into? they're one road or one -- one road, one belt. >> right. >> the approach which is trying to take care of and control all of the sea lanes and the shipping lanes in the south pacific and they're putting military bases down there to do that. if we step in right now and have trade relationships and military relationships with those other countries, that stops china in their efforts. i want to ask you about a similar framing question about syria. what are the consequences if the president does it? if the world sees the president has a bluffer? >> hopefully it doesn't come to that and most certainly we don't want to see the president in a

position to where he has to execute a tariff if he doesn't actually have to. he is correct in the policy that china clearly has been cheating when it comes to how they're doing business with the rest of the world. we're not the only ones. i have no objections with the president long term trying to fix the relationships with china and holding them accountable. intellectual property in particular, and they're stealing from us, but let's just be clear, strategically, number one, we need other trading partners to help pick up the slack and second of all, and this is absolutely important. i think he needs to be able to explain to the american people what his endgame is, where does he want to go? what's his final goal? >> and what does winning this tariff fight look like? >> right. >> final question. scott pruitt, a lot in the news and i can put up allegations that have come out against him as far as how he's conducted himself in office with the lavish security detail and first-class flights and things like that. do you think he should still be epa administrator?

>> i do. >> why? >> because he's following through with the policies that the president wants to implement. >> when does that matter? what if tom price did less and did less and was fired? >> the reason why the emphasis is on mr. pru sit he's executing the policies and they're not popular policies with a lot of people and he's executing the policies that the president said he would put in place. >> does that justify this behavior? >> look, any time you start taking a look at all of the different activities, i don't know how much of it is overblown and how much of it is accurate, to be honest. i'm not going to call it fake news and in some cases we'll overblow something and in this case, mr. pruitt has done a good job as secretary of the epa. he's moving forward exactly as this president said he would. >> i know, but what's the message it sent -- ethics matter only when i like the job that we're doing. >> that's the problem. what's the mixed message? >> which of the challenges would

you like to star? is there too big of a security detail? is that a reason to fire someone? >> at what point does that accumulate and he's not a steward of the taxpayer dollars. >> let's take a look at how many dollars the epa can save? the big picture and we'll nitpick little things and he has too many people on the security detail, and it may add up to what the previous guy did, but what about the big picture of how he's taking care of the taxpayer's dollars with the department and the epa and what about the regulations that he said he's going to clean up on that he is, and what about the response directly back out to allow businesses to actually grow and expand. this president said number one, we have to have tax policy, we got it. we said we needed regulatory reform and we've got it and scott pruitt is executing what the president wants him to execute. >> governor rourngnds we have t leave it there. i've never met a former governor who didn't prefer that title.

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and bridges our divides. donate to your local y today. because where there's a y, there's an us. welcome back. panelists here, rich lowery of the national review. doris kearnss, and helene cooper, and charlie cook, editor and publisher. before we get to trade. helene, the pentagon is your beat. the president saying responsibility already in a morning tweet. responsibility, lies, iran and russia is supporting of assad and that they're responsible for this and the russian foreign ministry using the phrase fake news to say there wasn't even a chemical weapon attack. you heard senator rounds there, he'd be supportive of the president continuing to draw that same line. what do you know here? what do we know about this attack? >> and before i get to that, i

just -- "the washington post" is our competitor and i do appreciate you pushing back on mr. navarro's fake news on "the washington post" because we don't want to see these attacks on our first amendment. on syria, a year ago when this happened, when something similar happened, president trump and the pentagon reacted very swiftly and it was very much a targeted strike at the airfield from which these -- the pentagon believed that these chemical weapons had been launched, and i think you're looking, military planners are now again looking at how they can launch in a contained way some sort of retaliation if president trump decides to go with that. whether he does or not, i don't know. i think there's going to be a lot of emphasis on him to repeat what he did a year ago, but i'm not sure yet which way he's going to go. >> rich lowery, the president is almost boxed into this having to respond militarily, is he not? >> this is skeptical of the

strike and you're taking responsibility for syria never doing that again. >> another version of the red line. >> more responsibility than the president wants and the syrian government knows that he's eager to pull our forces out of syria entirely and now there will be pressure for him to hit again. >> charlie, look, these issues all of a sudden that gets in the way of what he's trying to do with this agenda, and gets in the way and we all know there's no -- there's no quick strike in the middle east. >> republicans want the conversation to be about the economy is good, the tax cuts are goosing the economy. that's the conversation they want to have, and the president's learning that, you know, this -- you know, syria, the middle east is a lot more complicated than it looked like watching television back home, you know, two years ago, three years ago. this stuff's hard. >> right. >> and there are consequences when you say things and he's paying the rice. >> doris, you have a president who just last week said i want to get out of syria and he wants

to be, basically his more inward-looking instincts and isolation, whether it's with the border and trade, this is where he wants to go and this complicates it all. i think he is nervous about his own political base which is why he's been so focused on the border. >> your metaphor of hugging the base is exactly right. it's not just mrit lipoliticall he cares about the base, it seems to be his security blanket. when he spoke about the tax reform, he throws it away and says i don't really care about this. i want to talk about the wall and i want to talk about trade and i want to talk about tariffs, and it's as if going back to the base gives him a sense of himself. i think he was happier during the campaign than he's ever been as president because he got the adulation of the people, he made tons of promises and these three are the only ones he keeps coming back to. he promised to be so presidential we'd be bored and he'd never eat an oreo cookie

again and he'd drain the swamp and he somehow keeps going back to that to remember those days. it's like being president is much harder and the job is difficult -- >> he's not the first president to miss the campaign trail. they miss the adulation. >> but never as much as him, i think. >> is he right? >> i'd forgot about the oreo cookie promise. >> is he right to be worried about the base that he should be tending to it more so than any other issue. >> they need the base to turn out, clearly, that's not all you need in the midterms and itted my be the difference between a total debacle and just a very bad year. chuck, he made a lot of promise, over promised in a lot of ways and i've been surprised to how faithful he's been to his coalition, he really wants to deliver on his agenda and it's very frustrating when something like the wall, his signature promise that he can't get that and he can't get anything from congress substantial and he's sending national guard troops because he wants to have some

deliverable to his voters. >> it is so interesting. the national guard deployment is so similar to what president obama and president bush did before him and president trump holds his whole thing about how little has been done in the past and he is sending 24,000 national guard troops to the border. he's barely sending more than president obama did in 2010 and not as many as president bush did in 2006. >> charlie, the whole base issue with the president, we put scott pruitt in that bucket because you could make an argument, it's pretty clear, if pruitt weren't popular with the base he'd probably be gone. >> i think that's true. the president number one, identifies with pruitt. the press is going after pruitt. the press is going after me, so i think he identifies with him on the one side, but i think the other side is that put -- put behavior and the judgment that pruitt has used. this guy has arguably accomplished more of what president trump is trying to do

than any other person in the entire administration. so this is behavior worth firing, but he's advancing the president's agenda whether you like that agenda or not. >> here's ted liu, dear donald trump, please don't fire epa scott pruitt and he's sch a great symbol of abuse in your administration. >> the story of pruitt is a story we did all understand and it becomes a big thing we can talk about. what the epa is doing really deserves a discussion. we need to understand what's happening in all these agencies. what is the impact of this deregulation? this dismantling? that's the harder story to tell and i think that's the story the journalists have to go after. at the turn of the 20th century when there were big policy issues and standard oil monopolizing things and the railroads corrupt, food and drug and patents all over the place and they wrote story that mobilized people to get the laws passed. now we need to understand what's

happening in the epa and the department. instead we're caught up with breaking news day after day. >> you just captured what's going on with the president about how to cover the shiny object of president trump. >> rich, can scott pruitt get himself -- what would it take for him to lose the confidence of the president? >> the president is fairly dug in. the support from capitol hill is very strong. i like him. i think he's very smart and very effective, but to endorse this point it goes to human nature. he's going to what was most convenient to him, and i would have a cheap apartment and i think it would help him even though the president doesn't like apologies do a mea culpa. i understand how this looks and i'll tighten up and pull back and hope it's detracted by something else. >> guys, i'm going to pause it here. coming up, it's two days before facebook's mark zuckerberg testifies before congress. up next, my interview with the man who told the world how the

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welcome back. all eyes will be on capitol hill this week when facebook founder and ceo mark zuckerberg testifies before house and senate committees about how the company plans to protect its users' data in the future. christopher wylie was the man who first revealed that millions of facebook accounts were harvested for the use of the 2016 presidential cam capaign a the founder of cambridge analytica. wylie has colorful described himself as the gay canadian vegan who somehow ended up creating steve bannon's psychological warfare mind expletive tool. i spoke to wylie and he explained how he came into contact with bannon and became the donor behind cambridge analytica and both were interested in weaponizing social data. >> i will say it was quite clear

early on that steve bannon absolutely wanted to use it for republican candidates and the early projects that, you know, we started to apply the research to were, indeed, alt-right candidates in the united states, and it was after, you know, starting to meet some of the candidates and meet some of the clients that robert mercer and steve bannon, you know, wanted to support that a lot of people, including myself, started to feel quite uncomfortable with what we were doing. >> let me be clear, did you leave the company over politics, and is that what you would say or did you leave it over their business practices? >> i -- there are lots of reasons. you know, alexander nicks was extremely difficult to work for. steve bannon is extremely difficult to work for. the company's internal culture became quite toxic and in term was an actual workplace environment it was difficult to

work in. ultimately, a lot of people including myself had to make a call which is, you know, as the early founding team of the company do we want to spend the next ten years doing this and for a lot of us the answer was no. >> i want to go to something which facebook announced this week when they announced new protocols with advertising and they also fessed up to even more data brief, and i wouldn't call it data breach, but more data was released than even what you had indicated and you had indicated 50 million facebook and 87 million profiles were actually accessed and then you tweeted this, mr. wylie, yep, it was actually 87 million facebook profiles, could be more, to be honest. media couldn't publish full number before because of legal threat. so when you a originally kwaf your first interview on this you knew it was 87 million, but you could legally only say 50 million?" the new york times and the

guardian said 50 million and it was the thing that they had the most amount of evidence to show. when i met with the british authorities earlier in the year, one of the things that i said was that actually the number is substantially more than that. you know, from my recollection, and that also data was harvested in many more countries than the united states, but when you're working with "the new york times" and "the guardian" they will make sure that anything they publish is the most conservative estimate to play it safe and that's what happened. >> do you believe the number 87 million is the high end or do you think that's still possible that number is much higher? >> i think that it could be higher. absolutely. >> i want to play something that sheryl sandberg, the coo of facebook, told my colleague savannah guthrie last week and i want you to respond. >> we thought the data had been deleted. that's why. >> but that doesn't mean that you don't tell users hey, this was stolen from you. >> yes.

you're right and we should have done that, as well. >> it feels like facebook was trying to get away with it. >> i don't think that's true, but of course, you're right and we should have done it. so let's fast forward to now. >> so that's sheryl sandberg saying they should have told users that their data have been taken. could it be all over the world by now? >> i think that there is a genuine, you know, a genuine risk that this data has been accessed by quite a few people and that it could be stored in various parts of the world including russia given the fact that, the professor who was managing the data harvesting was going back and forth between the uk and russia. >> is it your understanding that facebook could not verify how many people have this data or could they? >> well, once data leaves your system and once data leaves, you know, your database, it's a

fungible thing, you can make as many copies as possible, so it isn't actually materially possible to verify if -- if that data has been eliminated from the existence of the universe because another copy could have been made. so it is -- unfortunately, you know, very difficult to verify. >> a couple of questions that people have questioned your credibility, first, the acting ceo of cambridge analytica said this. the source of allegations against the company is not a whistle-blower or a founder of the company. christopher wylie was a part-time contractor who left in 2014 and has no direct knowledge of our work and practices. since that date, he was at the company for less than a year and after that he was made the subject of restraining undertaking to restrict the use of the intellectual property while attempting to set up his own rival firm. may i ask this question? >> right. >> can you say that this facebook data was used by the trump campaign? >> i started working at the group before cambridge analytica

exists. he's using a bit of weasely language here because the work that i was doing at the group as research director that formed the basis of the intellectual property for cambridge analytica. if i was not -- if i was not the research director, if i didn't introduce the firm to data and to targeting and cambridge analytica would not exist full stock. in terms of did donald trump use this data? i think that's a good question to ask cambridge analytica and the trump campaign. what i do know is alexander nicks was meeting with corey lewandowski in the spring of 2016 which his lawyers confirmed to me before trump had even announced that he was a candidate. so my -- >> in fairness, you cannot say definitively that the trump campaign used the facebook data. >> no, i can't, but i haven't -- you know, i think that this is something -- there is a substantial risk that this data was misused and given what we know about the company and what -- what the lengths that

they're willing to do for their clients, i think it is -- it is worth a serious investigation and to take this seriously. so no. i cannot work on the trump campaign so of course, i can't say one way or the other whether trump used it or not, but we do know a lot of things about the company that i think a reasonable person knowing these things would want to ask pretty tough questions about what happened to that data. >> i know you've been contacted by british authorities. have you been contacted by american authorities like bob mueller, special counsel who is investigating the russian interference? >> i have been contacted by american authorities, yes. >> and are you cooperating? >> i -- i plan to be. we're just setting out dates that i can actually go down and meet with them. >> is it both with congress and mr. mueller or is it both entities that are doing investigations? >> it's -- as i understand it, my lawyer is the one interfacing with them, but it is both

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endgame, brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. back now with endgame. charlie cook, is there any way tuesday goes well for mark zuckerberg? >> i think if he had gone immediately up to congress it would have been bad. now i think it's going to be horrific. [ laughter ] >> the poor guy will be walking into ambush. i mean, it's going to -- senator rounds, this is going to be like custer's last stand. it will be little big horn. it's going to be ugly. >> what should they get out of them? what do they need to get out of mark zuckerberg and what should he be reassuring congress about?

>> there is an element of hypocrisy because obama did a version of it in 2012 and they're hailed as geniuses and not a national scandal. if sheryl sandberg was any preview, i agree with charlie. zuckerberg will get roasted and the issue here is facebook has a tremendous amount of data and there's one man who makes a decision about how it's used and that's mark zuckerberg and that regime one way or the other is ending. >> how will t.r. handle mark zuckerberg? >> first of all, he should have apologized right away. they should have made clear as soon as they knew the data had been spread that it happened. it took them years to admit that. you can't go back and go over bad conduct, but now he's got to figure out what am i going to do about this? it's a big question for the tech companies right now. they have to probably be regulated the way the automobile, the radio, television and the earlier inventions were regulated, but the real question underneath it all is privacy. we have to figure out as a

community now how much does the privacy matter to us? i would tell my kids or grandchildren never write anything in an email that you wouldn't put anywhere else. never write when you can speak. never speak when you can nod. >> he probably appropriated it. >> helene, i feel like the damage is done to facebook and i don't know how they get it back a little bit. there are so many -- i'm not saying the world's deactitivate from it, but the skepticism, i interviewed cara swisher and said i'm not on facebook and i did the same thing and it was almost you didn't want to admit that you were on facebook. that's a bad place to be. >> at the same time there are millions and millions of people around the world who are on facebook and who have sort of made almost the decision that their privacy doesn't matter. they, you know, who cares about privacy? they assumed all along that if you're putting something on facebook or once you engage

there you're sort of letting go of so many of these assumptions to begin with. doris is right where we're moving as a society because we're at the point now where i don't feel comfortable making cell phone calls to sources. forget about texting. what'sapp and i'm at this point now where there are some sources who will only talk to me face to face in person. we're going back to that now. >> in a parking garage? >> almost to the parking garage. we are almost at the parking garage point. >> true. facebook will survive this, but they've lost their innocence. they can't wear a white dress anymore. >> we are just all about openness and connectivity. they're a profit-making company and have the massive capitalization for a reason. >> they're counting on us to share this information. just a good will, get rid of the political affiliation thing in the profile and maybe as we said earlier, maybe it would not be

thanksgiving denner eveinner ev on your facebook page. i want to move to the teacher protests. >> i don't see an impact there, but when you look at oklahoma and places and the senate map and which states are up, i can't see anything good for republicans this year. nothing. >> it only adds to it. >> whether it's the kids and the gun issue or whether it's the teachers and parents that are uprising, there's a lot of bad, bad -- i mean, if i were a republican i'd be -- i'd be nauseous right now with what's coming up. >> and one of the things that i think that put teachers and what they're complaining about the most is i want to show you the average and the biggest public servant groups are firefighters, police officers and teachers. the average salary increase with teachers and police officers have gotten a higher salary increase since 2000 than

teachers, but nationally, you can see teaches are a little bit behind, but look at the state of oklahoma. in this case, the average salary basically doubled for police than for teachers. doris, this is not whether police officers are getting too much. that's not the issue. should teachers as public servants be treated basically the same as police officers? >> without a question. i mean, teachers are now standing up and saying enough is enough, just like the me too movement, and they're not just fighting for raises. they're fighting for funding for the school districts. in oklahoma, some of those districts are only open four days a week because they can't afford the heating and lighting for the fifth day and they've got the parents and the kids behind them. so it's a community thing. i have a son who is a high school teacher and it's the proudest thing that i am that i walk around town and they say your kid is changing my life. they should be given the cultural respect and our country needs education at the cornerstone of democracy. >> rich, you got caught up in

teacher unions, and they were so focused on the unions and they're skeptical about the teachers. >> there are other reforms, but in these particular states, if oklahoma, they train teachers, they go to texas. >> we got through more than what i expected on an extraordinarily busy week which we say every week. starting this week, meet the press will have a new audio briefing for you every afternoon. meet the press the lid, we'll have midterm news, polling data and analysis. so add meet the press on amazon alexa and doin lownload the lids a free podcast tomorrow. that's it for today. if it is sunday, it is "meet the press". >> you can see more endgame in "post game" sponsored by boeing on the "meet the press" facebook page.

this kweek using old film to learn new things about 19 hundreds san francisco. mark zuckerberg heads to congress, and a ceo who turned his company around. our reporters from barons, john schwartz and connie cue yom me editor and chief at cnet, this week on press:here. >> good morning, everyone, i'm scott mcgrew. we're going to start with the ongoing crisis at facing book. the head of the new york city peio