presid trump insists no wall, no deal. >> you can't really do the kind of job we have to do unless you. and that's what we're going too have to have. >> but now he faces a new democr the speaker of the house nancy pelosi, i extend to you this gavel. >> and a new speaker. >> we're not building a wall. does anybody have any doubt that we're not doing a wall? the pre tough. >> he said he'd keep the govern closed for a very longtime, months or years. >> absolutely i said that. but exit strategy?

my guest this is morning, nick mull vainy, steny hoyer, and republ senator susan collin plus, impeachment politics. >> we're going to go in there and impeach the mother. [ beep democrats should be care about impeachment talk but will she be able to stop her new activi members? also, gender politics. no sooner elizabeth warren announ for president -- >> hel seioux city. >> that we started to see commen like this. the debate over different treatm get on the presid campaign trail. joinin me for insight and analys are sakie hunt, david brooks columnist for "the new york t former congre donna edwards, and matthecontinetti. welcom "meet the p >> announcer: from nbc news in

washin the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. will b first "meet the pr of the new year. govern shutdown is now in its 16th day and, well, second year. tying it for the third longest in history and the problems for everyo piling up. litera though national parks are open, they are not staff means a lot of places are beginning to look like this. in addition, the federal food stamp program which he services 38 million low income americans faces severe cuts. and so$140 billion in tax refunds, your mone frozen or delayed. democrats th willin to provide funding, the goal seems to be deny president trump a victory and the wall has become a symbol. it's no longer just about keepin illegal immigrants out, it's about keeping his base in. senato lindsey graham made that point clear on fox earlier this

>> if in now, that's the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective president. that's probably the end of his presid >> we have critical players from all corners of this drama, presid trump's acting chief of staff cho is negotiating for the wh house majorileader, and a moderate republ senator who is up for reelec 2020 who is caught in the middle. it's a staring contest in which neithe the president nor the democr an incentive to blink each views this shutdo as a political winner and necessity for them. >> i'm very proud of doing what i'm doing. i don't call it a shutdown. >> with the government shutdown in the third week, president trump is digging in. >> he said he'd keep the govern closed for a very long period of time, months or even years. >> absolutely i said that i don't think it will. but i'prepared. >> president trump said if democr don't give him $5.6 b for a border wall, he could use emergency powers to divertfunds. we can call a nat emerge and build it very

quickl and it's another way of doingit. but if we can do it through a negoti process, we give that a shot. >> the president's latest threat comes as he's boxed in and grasping are for an off ramp that w alienate media and base ahead. >> republicans have to stay the course. you can't back down. now the president's base is now deeply invested in this shutdo the president has taken a stand and it time for the republ to do the same. in dece reject a short term spending bill passed by the senate after it was panned by immigration hawks. set out a number, $5.6 billion. we're very firm on a number. >> still, some republicans who face tough re-election fights are pleading with the president to end the shutdown wall or no wall. >> let government open and have a debate. >> the allies of the president have floated a short term plan to grant work permits to so-cal dreamers in exchange for the wall funding. >> give president the $5 billion

we nee wall/border security as a down payment to securing the border. the daca population, about 700,00 give them work permits. >> but it's no the clear the presid will support it or what insentive house democrats buied by the new ma jorj would have to accept that offer. >> is there any situation you wall funding for this president in ord to reopen the govern >> a dollar? a dollar. one dollar? a wall is an immorality. it's not who we are as a nation. >> democrats have to worry about their own grassroots. this week freshman congresswoman talib of michigan revived the debate over impeachment after these comments were caught on tape. >> we're going to go in there and impeach the mother. [ beep >> i don't like that language. i wouldn't use that language. i don't, again, establish any langua standards for my

collea i don't think it's anyth worse than the president has -- what the president has said. b democr supported impeachment so it may not be a question of whethe impeachment proceedings begin but when. >> i stand by impeaching the presid the united states. i ran on that. democratic and r negoti supposedly planni meet again today after yesterday's meeting in the words of president trump, didn't make m head way. i sat down with the president's acting chief of staff shortly after those talks on saturday broke up. and i began by asking him, why so little progress is made? >> the first line that the chief negoti said is we're not here to agree to anything which is a stunning way to start a negoti and then -- >> why is that stunning? of the bosses were there and the president nobody was there to make a deal final there question. >> it was clear nobody was there to make a final deal? >> correct. the mandate is find agreement on

the underlying terms. >> okay. >> not agree to how much money we're going to spend but do you think that ports of entry need to be included? do we think that? yes. then let's put that in the thing we agree on. do we disagree on a wall or really agree that maybe a steel fence qualifies as a fence and not a wall? do we want to build a steel barrie anyway? having those conversations. the di a bunch of technical requests that democr were asking for for the first time ever in these negoti so i think this is going to drag on a lot longer. i think that's by intention. >> obviously there is a lot of distru here. part of this seems to be genera by the president himsel he empowered the vice president to potentially cut a deal. the democrats rejected the vice presid offer of $2.5 billion. but parentally it's because the presid he never would have agreed to it. so the democrats have this attitu what they tell us is that they can't trust anybody in the room other than the presid >> no. i thinthat.

i'll tell you the presid them when we were in the meeting. look, i sent the vice president down with a piece of paper to the senate minority leader, chuck schumer. that our proposal. you're now claiming or they were claimi yesterday or two days ago they had unnamed sources in the wh saying it was no longer part of the deal. is sil. when the vice president of the united direct instruction of president walks in with a piece paper, that' a deal. they walked away from it. and no longer on the table becaus it was a deal we were trying to get in place before the shutdown. >> but the president said that is not it's not at all. he sai not on the table anymor that is the deal to try to preven the government from shutti down in the first place. i think it was technically the day after and we had a couple days t because of the holida for christmas. we wer trying to do our best to get the government open before it became a serious issue. >> i want to ask you how your mind changed on the fence. to go back to an infamous audio record made the rounds. we pla this audio on how you

descri the boreder in 2015. take a listen. to just say bui fence have that be the end of an immigration discussion is absurd and almost childish for someon running for president to take t simplistic of view. by the way, the bottom line is the fe stop anybody that wants to get across. you go over, under, threw. the ranchers say they don't nees person or just acting as the presid advocate? >> i think there is an economist that -- i don't remember who gets credit for it, he said whe change what do you do, sir? we had 60,000 people try to cross border every month for the last three months. things on the ground are differ and when the circumstances change you change your opinion. the fences that we have built on the southern border, the ones that are already there under republ leadership, democrat leader san diego, el paso, more t effective in preven criminal immigration. we need more of that. do we need it from coast to

coast, 2,000 miles all wait across no. the president admitted as such. of nowhere where technology wil. but a barrier, call it a wall or fence, the president said he didn't care what you call it, he even to let the democr help him design someth he says as long as it's effect he doesn't care what you call it. need something to people from coming into this countr illegally. >> let me ask you this though. measur you keep claiming there is a crisis president sai declar national emergency and build the wall. why hasn't he? >> it's not easy to do. >> you were looking for funds. you were looking to see if you dpi the money. >> absolutely. the president made it clear severa months ago i need you to find every pot of money you possib can to help with this crisis and everybody has done that. the office of management and budget which is where i was was intima involved in that. so why shut down the govern if this is what he can do, and

it's not the whole government. you're sort of punishing one slice of the government for this fight when if you -- the negoti can still go on. if you think can you do it anothe way, you have other levera why hold 800,000 people's payche if the don't get paid on januar 11th, they won't get any money until january 25th. >> there may be some who get paid for the 25th. i'm putting back the old omb hat on. but if you're right, if we don't have a agreement by midnight on the eighth which is tuesday, then payroll will not go out as originplanned. >> and we're talking now a month. a month for people without a payche >> congress is not even coming back until tuesday. nancy pelosi is not coming back - >> and i'm going to ask two other members where their sense of urgency is. at the end of the day, why hold this part of the government hostag for a political fight? >> you ask that of both sides. if i was sitting here talking to nancy pelosi yshgs a are you

holdin all of these 800,000 worker >> she might then say, do electi any consequences? s i ask the president in t of the campaign tr to make immigr the issue. voters responded how? by handing democrats 40 house seats. you look across border states there is one new democr seat in arizona. almost the upset of the century in texas. more house members. if you look at it from an electi can't you say voters that live near the border sent a messag to the president, no wall. >> you and i both know that there is a lot more involved than one issue when it comes to electi candid still count the overal environment counts. you could put that on the table but it certainly far from defini the better question is this. is the status quo acceptable? >> daca for the wall? is that deal ever back on the table if the supreme court says it can't be done with executive order? is that deal back on the table?

>> the president is very intere in larger immigration reform he said that publicly and privat he wants to solve immigration. okay? i think he would tell you it's too hard to do it quickly. it's a huge issue. you know it. if it was easy to do, it would have been done before. you talk about complete control of the house and senate. democr had it in 2008 and 60 votes in the senate. >> they couldn't find 60 votes. >> that's right. it's h to do. the president is -- i think the presid position is i'm more intt that. but if we wait to do that now, this government will be closed for a long time which i don't think he wants. lindsey graham if the president caves in that's the end of -- you know, the base will band him and end of his presid why do you think the president can't lead the base to a compro why is this idea that -- i mean, the implication here is that essent shawn hannity, rush limbau and ann coulter have more sway over the president's

base than the president? is that the implication >> i'v seen that. i woul make the argument the presid has more sway over sean hannity and ann coulter than vice versa. you know i like lindsey graham. he's a good friend of mine from south carolina. he's not as good of a politi as donald trum or else he'd be presid they both ran. the president is interested in resolv issue. >> here's one thing that i didn't hear throughout our entire interview. what is it -- >> because you didn't ask. >> wha the president offering the democ what's offer on their side? now the president wants. i came up meetin the big eight as they c them, leaders from thehouse, republican, democr was willing to agree and mentio at the rose garden press conference, to take a concrete wall off the table. that -- if that is not eviden of our willingness to solve the problem, okay, because again what is driving this is the president's desire to change the conditions at the border. and if he has to give up a

concre wall and replace it a so that democrats can say, see, he's not building a wall anymor that should help us move forwar >> you want the headline to be the president no longer wants a wall, he wants a fence? >> the president is going to >> the president is going to secure the bored we are barrie >> would he be comfortable saying that? >> i think he said it was going to be 30 foot high steel. he tweeted a picture of it. we told the democrats this two weeksago. is what we want to bu. do you think this is a wall? actual under the way the law is written right now, techni it's not a wall. but if that's not evidence of the president's desire to try to resol of this, i don resolv this, i don't know what is. mick mull vainy, you haven' given you have your title. let us you do. >> joining me is steny hoyer of maryla welcom back to "meet the press, thanks, chuck. >> let me start with that last mcmulvaney said the president is

taking concrete wall off the table. if that is not evidence is trying to compromise, he doesn't know what is. do you take that as a good faith offer? >> it is an offer he made and it will b discussed. but the fact of the matter is you used mick mulvaney's quote, but yo senator joh cornyn who says i don't think we're going to be able to solve border securi with a physical barrier becaus people can come under, around through it. the border wall is probably not a smart investment said lindsey graham mike mccall, the chairman of the homela security committee said, you have to understand, too, that a 30 foot concrete wall is a very expensive propos and there are a lot of other things we can do, be doing technology wise to make it a smart border that is more effect an more cost effici so this is not a democratic positi this is a pretty broad position

that this does not make sense. what we ought to do is open up the government first. and that's what we're going to do. we passed legislation last thursd that would open up the govern i would hope that senator mcconn would take the respon as the leader of the co-equal branch of govern and send this to the presid that would open up would start serving the america people >> you regret not taking the deal that vice president pence offere $2.35 billion and maybe you co said here's more money for border security? you guys call it border security and all this and you would have reopen the government? >> we were ready to take the deal that vice president offere and senator mcconnell took that offer. he passed a bill -- >> he didn't pass that one. u s pass that bill. they rejected the senate bills, the republican bills. and when you say have we compro have voted for and are prepared to vote for

republbills. these are all the republican bills from the last congress. and as a matter of fact, chuck, as you know, we're going to make every effort to open up govern next week. we're going to offer two bills to open up the financial servic which will make sure that taxpayers get refunds. we're going to open up ag to make sure that people get food stamps we're going to open up hud in order to make sure that housing vouche and interior so people can use their parks. when is e? i want to play a clip from a guy named steny hoyer to you from 2011. take a listen. >> okay. >> there does come a time when the american public expect us to be able to act. gridlo is not what they voted for. the priorities that we have agreed to in this resolution are not my priorities. but we have reached agreement. >> basically you have said you suppor things. you have had to vote things you didn't support before.

it will happen again. >> chuck, let me reiterate what we voted for last thursday were republ bills. all bills. no democratic bill. and we took them as they were passed to the senate. we're going to do the same thing this week. the difference is we'll do it bill by bill so we can help taxpay and people who need food assistance and people who need housing vouchers, people who need flood insurance. we'll do it one by one. i would hope that mitch mcconn the leader of the united senate would repres the congress of the unitedstates, the co-equal branch that says we believe we ought to open up g mitch mcconnell believes we should open government. >> you need a presidentia signat at the end of the day. you ne presidentia signat for the government. you may not like any of the ways that president has conducted himsel how he's conducted these negotiations can yo claim they've not been in good faith. what is it though -- >> that's pretty close to the charac fair enough. when is it your responsibility

to say these federal workers have t paid and i may have to eat this? >> we don't think the swalwal i good technology to do this. the reason i read the republican views that say the wall is not the technology we ought to pursue is because this is a differ substance. we ought to have that argument on the substance. and not be held hostage, 800,000 federa employees, millions of people who need food stamps. >> i in rs tha that. >> he is being held hostage. >> don't these people need to get paid? >> we're for strengthening border security. as a mfact, of the positi things that happened in was senator durbin brought up the fact that there was insuff dollars in the homela security bill to have the technology to have the electr ability to see what is in all these trucks that come

across our border every day. we're prepared to negotiate on that. >> are you willing did give them anythi on a fence? >> chuck -- >> a steel fence? he doesn't call it a wall. can you accept that? >>chuck, let me say, we've done fencin in the past. so you'll future >> we've done fencing in the past. howeve what is happening today and hopefully the administration will come, the administration has not come up with any specif plan as to how they're going to spend this money. now, remember, i understand it was the last congress. the president said to mitch mcconnell, i'll sign this bill. mitch signed a bill. he sent it to the house. we wer prepared to vote for that bill but the republicans wanted shut down the govern we need to open up government and then negotiate. not the other way around. we're prepared to negotiate. we're prepared to have the homela security bill approved for short term so that we have to negotiate. >> is an impeachment process inevit >> i don't think so.

and that's not what we're focuse on. we're focused on bills. we hav to focus on getting the governopen. that's our primary first respon >> are impeachment talks a distra >> i think they're a distra we'll have to see what the muelle report says. nancy and i both said that. we voted that way on the floor of the house of representatives. what we want to do is concen on our substantive agenda we want to make sure that we get reform done and redistrictin and campaign finance reform, on voting rights. we want to make sure we get ethica reforms. we want to make sure we focus on wages and health care. all of those issues that we campai on. >> steny hoyer, i have to leave it there. the house majority leader, new house majority leader -- new again, congratulations. >> i'm hopeful, as i said, that mitch mcconnell as we pass these bills will send them to the presid and we will continue to negotiate on making sure that our boreders ar secure. >> we'll find out this week, i hope. when we come back with the

shutdo impacting more people every day, will one side give in and say enough already? or are we really in for a record-long partia panel ♪ ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal. 6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪ on average, we'll live move more in eleven homes. in the world. and every time we move, things change. apartments become houses, cars become mini vans. as we upgrade and downsize, an allstate agent will do the same for our protection.

now that you know the truth, are you in good hands? [kno♪king] ♪ memories. what we deliver by delivering. hey, darryl! hey, thomas. if you were choosing a network, would you want the one the experts at rootmetrics say is number one in the nation? sure, they probably know what they're talking about. or the one that j.d. power says is highest in network quality by people who use it every day? this is a tough one. well, not really, because verizon won both. so you don't even have to choose. why didn't you just lead with that? it's like a fun thing. (vo) chosen by experts. chosen by you.

get six months apple music on us. it's the unlimited plan you need on the network you deserve. now buy the latest galaxy phones, get galaxy s9 free. the department of treasury being shut down is equal to apparently three facebooks employee wise. and the department of interior, ten netflixes. trying to put some context into

this shutdown. david, it seems to me that's what's missing here. the sense of urgency in this. >> they make it seem so good. i woul love to shut down goldmasachs. no, listening to the conver the thing that strike is we're the country that won world war ii. we defeated the japanese and fascis and launched this compli thing and now we shut down our government because we can't decide if it's a concre wall or a steel fence or a row of ferns. it's like a sign of government dysfun seems to me the answer is just sittin front of everyone which is the wall for the daca deal and the reason that has not gotten done is because both sides have loaded up a bunch of stuff on that simple deal and made it impossible for the other side to accept. so some basic competence in negoti would just get us out of this. it seems to me cap would compromise if the not in >> it' how many times doe a big what would have t a bipartisan thing under deadline? it simply doesn't wor that way.

and in this case, the political incent are just all screwed up. mean, in previous shutdowns usuall somebody has been trying to for shutdown because they want t point. that is not the case here. of congress doesn't want a shutdo simply not clear how they get anywhe without somebody simply caving in. the president has essentially backed himself into a corner. this is -- i covered now more shutdowns than ray care t think about. and i do not see a way out of this one. wherea the others, you could see how the political pressure was going to build on one side. i was inevitable they would eventu cave n that doesn't seem to be the case here. as i middle that's not the case here. fact, democr have public opinion behind them. public wants the government open and they don't like the idea of a wall. >> but the president has his republ party and his suppor strongly behind him.

the real question is when does the pain threshold become too much? >> too much for either side. that's why it is interesting that you see some republicans in the house, some republicans two or three in the senate voice, maybe it is time to reopen part of the government until we nego. democr are the party and party employees. if this thing stretches on for months then maybe their own base starts saying, you know what? it's j$5 billion. we need to be paid. what is it repres the district right here, plenty of government worker what do you think the pain thresh is going to be for member of congress that used to? >> i think the pain threshold is going to hit this week. this is the week where paychecks should be going out. it's the week where you begin to see more than just trash piling

up at the national parks. where really are in pain. and keep in mind that of those 800,00 federal workers and the additi contractors, probably 80% of them live some place other than the washington metrop member country in distri and senators in their states are going to begin to hear from the subcontractors and federa employees this really is causin them pain. they'r not able to make the mortga payments, daycare paymen all of those things in additi to the things that mr. hoyer mentioned. and so i think this is the week, to me, this is the crucial week when those stories start to come out and is not sustainable, partic with some of the senato who are going to be up in 2020 and are vulnerable. >> what are your -- if you were there now, would you want the leader to be willing to be a little more agreeable on this or not? >> here's what the across the street offered. for the first time ever tha ima

passed a republican bill. they didn't have to do that. they did it to say here we're going open. i think this week a strategy of beginn to pass these indivi bills that have passed the senate and open up parts of the government that provid services is one direct then it leaves open the opport to just negotiate around the department of homela security. >> this is all about senate republ >> i think it is all about senate republicans. and mitch mcconnell is in a very strang spot. you heard him say repeatedly this week i'm not putting someth on the floor the presid won't sign. that is interpreted as mitch mcconn along with this presid on the border wall. i read something different into it which is to say that he was assure by a third party, mike pence at lunch one day, that the presid was going to sign the thing he was going to put on the floor. and then all of a sudden that turned out not to be true. mitch mcconnell said you don't kick of the mule. he said i'm confident we won't have a shutdown. here we are. he was embarrassed. so there is really no -- there

is no advantage for him in doing that again. on the other hand, mitch mcconn shutdowns are badpolitics. he said it a million and one times. he knows it's bad for the vulner republicans in 2020. that i juunderlying thing f tht gives, it's probably there. >> i think there might be pressu senate republ but president trump is still fixate that base. he to have the shutdown contin to such a point that he can turn to his base and say i gave it my all. we're not there yet. and he needs that base because the base is the difference betwee a 42% approval rating and a 35% approval rating. impe. he needs those people in case there is an impeachment. >> the president -- who is more fixate on impeachment the new house democrats o the president of the united states? take a listen to him on friday on this topic. >> we even talked about that

today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment? and nancy said, we're not lookin impeach you. i said that's good, nancy. that's good. you no he what? you don't impeach people when they'r doing a good job. >> david, he brings it up almost as much as some of the new member of congress do. >> i love him for a guy who is sort of not totally honest, he is totally unhidden. he reveals everything. he is tran transp mueller investigation is someth he tweets about all the time. are a bunch of invest what he's going to do and why it's going to get so ugly is i assume something i happen there are a bunch of invest there some sort of indict not to defend himself the weyrich a% weyrich a% weyri richar nixon defended himself. donald is going to try to hims instit donna, is impeachment hearin inevitable? >> i d it's inevit democr are prepared to go where the evidence takes them and the question is nancy pelosi

holdin that at bay so that the eviden is there. inl n not sure we're quite there of the republicans that may be feeling unhappy about the si i'm ray and i quit smoking with chantix. smoking. it dictates your day. i didn't like something having control over me. i wanted to stop. the thing is i didn't know how. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke to the point that i could quit. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood, or suicidal thoughts or actions with chantix. serious side effects may include seizures, new or worse heart or blood vessel problems, sleepwalking, or allergic and skin reactions which can be life-threatening. stop chantix and get help right away if you have any of these. tell your healthcare provider if you've had

depression or other mental health problems. decrease alcohol use while taking chantix. use caution when driving or operating machinery. the most common side effect is nausea. for me chantix worked.boom. end of story. talk to your doctor about chantix. but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost from neutrogena®. with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. neutrogena®

pain from chest congestion so it bcan make this... when you have a cold, ...feel like this. all-in-one cold symptom relief from tylenol®, the #1 doctor recommended pain relief brand. tylenol®. welcome back. susan collins is used to being stuck in the middle these days. she has company. she's one of six republican senators in 2020 who are from states that hillary clinton won or from states that could reasonably be called tossup or spring collins has called for an end to the shutdown, wall or no wall. they are pressured from republicans and democrats.

susan collins joins me now. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> you heard people in the room. did you hear any hope? >> i'm always hopeful. i have never thought that shutdowns are an appropriate means of trying to achieve any kind of solution. this isn't a matter of one side or the other caving in. it's a matter of getting to a compromise. and that's a sign of strength. and it's important that we remember that real lives are being affected here. the 800,000 federal employees, dedicated public servants who won't get a paycheck next friday if this isn't resolved very soon. >> is steel for concrete a reasonable compromise offer from the white house?

>> well, i have always thought that the debate over what the physical barrier should be constructed of was rather bizarre. we do need to strength our border security. we know that 90% of the heroin is coming across the southern border along with human traffickers and a lot of unaccompanied children. that's not good either. but we need to look at more than just the physical barrier. we need to look at more border patrol agents, technology and other means as well. >> let me ask you this. the senate ed adjourned 11:00 a on friday. you are not alone. you don't reconvene until tuesday. where is the urgency? >> well, chuck, just as i can talk to you from maine, i also have been talking to my colleagues. i had -- >> i don't mean about you.

i'm talking about in general. where is the urgency in washington, in congress? it seems sort of blase. >> well, i certainly feel a sense of urgency to get people back to work and government reopened. i think many of my colleagues do. i think that we need to make this our first priority. >> do you think mitch mcconnell has done enough? he has made the decision, he has said, this is between the democrats and the president. he has said he is not going to bring up any bills he doesn't think the president will sign. does he feel burned by the white house? do you think he should be more aggressive here and put some of the bills back on the floor? >> well, i can't speak for senator mcconnell. but i would like to see him bring the house passed bills to the senate floor. we could reopen much of government where there's no

dispute over issues involving certain departments like ag, transportation, housing, interior. let's get those reopened while the negotiations continue. but to be fair to senator mcconnell, the fact is that unless chuck schumer and speaker pelosi agree and the president agrees to sign a bill, we can pass bills but they won't become law. that's why i understand the point that senator mcconnell is making about these important negotiations that are, in fact, ongoing. >> there are yourself, senator gardner, senator tillis have spoken out. let's reopen the government and continue the debate. you are the only three that have gone public on the republican side of the aisle. privately, how anxious are some of your colleagues? >> well, there have been others. lamar alexander did an excellent column in which he outlined three possible compromises to

get government open. one you talked about and we advanced last year when there was a briefer shutdown which was that we would have border security funded at $2.5 billion and we would give a path to citizenship for those dreamers, those very young adults who are brought to this country through no decision of their own by their parents. that's a possible compromise on this issue. i would note that 46 out of the 49 democrats in the senate voted for that compromise just last march. >> let me ask you this. we're now in our third shutdown since president trump took office. it seems like there's chaos when policy decisions get made. think syria as the most recent example. when is enough enough for you? you have expressed displeasure in the past. is it accumulating for you to the point where you are running out of patience?

>> government shutdowns are never good policy. and we have had them in the obama administration. we have had them in president trump's administration. we should always get the appropriations bills signed into law before the start of the fiscal year so that neither side can use the threat of a shutdown or the reality of a shutdown as a political weapon. >> okay. i guess -- what is your level of satisfaction with how the president is conducting himself in office? that's where i'm getting. are you losing patience with his conduct? >> well, i'm frustrated in this situation that we have gotten to this point where both sides appear to be intransigent. it's not a sign of weakness to try to figure out a middle ground. i think that both sides need to indicate a willingness to listen

and to compromise. >> you have said you intend to seek re-election in 2020. that is not a firm announcement. what is going into your decision? is it more professional and political or is it more personal? >> well, it's a combination of factors. i'm very proud of the service that i've given to the people of maine, and i'm getting ready to run. frankly, i just think it's too early to make that kind of decision. but i am getting prepared, and i'll make a final decision towards the end of this year. you know, it used to be that we used the off year to actually legislate and left the politics to the election year. that's what i would prefer to do. >> senator collins, that's the last century. i hear you. i miss the odd years on policy and even on politics.

>> exactly. >> happen y new year. >> thank you, chuck. when we come back, republicans lost the house. those who are left may be more those who are left may be more pro those who are left may be more pro most kids today will have jobs that don't exist yet. the engine management systems coordinate with autonomous vehicles. financial data, so now we can predict the future. our new flexible propeller design. by collaborating with public schools on a program called p-tech, ibm is helping students build the skills they'll need for tomorrow. revolutionizing. aerospace industry. it's an entirely sustainable approach. any questions? when you rethink education, everyone can put smart to work. brushing only reaches 25% of your mouth. listerine® cleans virtually 100%. helping to prevent gum disease and bad breath. never settle for 25%. always go for 100. bring out the bold™

you'll make my morning, buty the price ruin my day.ou? complicated relationship with milk? pour on the lactaid, 100% real milk, just without that annoying lactose. mmm, that's good.

(burke) parking splat. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ with them, comes a new republ minority. and while the numbers are fewer, this is a group made much more in the image of president trump. let me explain. before this year's midterm electi republicans held 23 seats in districts won by hillar clinton. that number is now two. that'sright, only two current house republicans represent distri most voters split their tickets. lookin at it another way for how the house gop let the middle slip away, republicans previo held 94 seats where

presid trump won less than 55% of the vote in 2016. guess what? that's been cut nearly in half to 52. but in districts where trump won 55% or more of the vote in republ from 146 seats 148. that's house republicans actually gained in trump strong holds. these numbers matter because of just how much they change the politi character of the house gop. there may be fewer republicans in the house now but the ones who remain are more closely aligne with president trump andy and they hail from districts that backed the president with the most intensity. and by the way, here's one more number for you. republ now hold 200 house seats. that's46% of the lower chamber. it's the exact same number as presid trump's approval rating in our november nbc news/"wall street poll "and that's the same number of the share of the vote in 2016. ?

trump' base is rock solid. if this new house minority follow that pattern, get ready for a bumpy and contentious 2019. when we come back, is it fair to say elizabeth warren has a say elizabeth warren has a hillar problem or hey, darryl! hey, thomas. if you were choosing a network, would you want the one the experts at rootmetrics say is number one in the nation? sure, they probably know what they're talking about. or the one that j.d. power says is highest in network quality by people who use it every day? this is a tough one. well, not really, because verizon won both. so you don't even have to choose. why didn't you just lead with that? it's like a fun thing. (vo) chosen by experts. chosen by you. get six months apple music on us. it's the unlimited plan you need on the network you deserve. now buy the latest galaxy phones, get galaxy s9 free.

hey, who are you? oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job. what? what?? what?! (laughing) what?? what?! what?! [crash] what?! haha, it happens. and if you've got cut-rate car insurance, paying for this could feel like getting robbed twice. so get allstate... and be better protected from mayhem... like me. ♪ only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. tylenol® ignition sequence starts. 10... 9... guidance is internal.

6... 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... ♪

i think we have that response t that "politico" tweet up there. when did e. warren become

unlike pin point it to moments she showed ambition to be potos as far as women come, people still find women with ambition vexing. there is something i don't like. donna edwards, you've been on a ballot >> i feel it. having been an unlikeable aggreswoman. that's how i was described. i really feel that. i do think that if additional women get into the field that that changes that conversatio a little bit. but elizabeth warren put herself out there and those are the kind of arrows she is getting. it fa? no. i don't think it's fair the aall. we have to change that conver women want that conversao tore changed. >> is it going to be better when more women get in this race? becaus on one hand, kasie, we someti organize presidentia fields by ideological lanes, geogra lanes. if it's an identity politics lane, then this becomes what? >> people are already splitting it up that way. i go back to this. the article, humor column said

quite on point, i thought in sayingwell, you know, i never really didn't like hillary clinto i was ready for a woman presid just not her. elizab warren, i would be ready fwfo4=u her, but there i someth about her i don't like.know, there is something about camilla harris i'm not liking and i couldn't tell you why. i think gets at the root of this. is it possible for a woman candid to ever get beyond that? and there is also a "new york times" story actually that walks throug this idea that there are some democrats who are even worrie about nominating a woman to run against president trump which up a whole other set of barriers within the party. so very, very real. you know, jennifer palmieri didn't always think the way she did until she went to work for hillar looked around and watched how she was covere and said okay this is real. >> you know, david, it's intere the initial hit on elizabeth warren politically, if you were going ask the question, can d massachusetts libe and win the presidency, they

tried twice in the last -- for over a generation and lost. but that isn't the comparison. there is a point here, isn't there? >> there is a point. i think as more women get in, if we get five or six women in the race, as the race gets started, it will look different. this is probably not going to be a politics primary campaign. the range of opinions about americ capitalism has widened on the democratic party and the republ party. radica different views of the role o th that's what elizabeth warren is runnin on. there pretty big issues the table. once the campaign gets going, we'll be done with the preseason chatte >> as she is launching, matthew, "the new york time comes out with a pretty rough look back a. put up this headline, "new york times" sexism claims from bernie sander run. was asked about thi. let me play for you his response to it. >> i certainly apologized to any

woman that felt she was not treate appropriately. and, of course if, do next time. >> and just be clear, you seem to indicate that you did not know at the time about the allega is that correct? >> yes. i was little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case. >> boy, that didn't seem like a good answer did it? >> he took some heat for that. and, of course, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren will will likely be competing over that same set of voters on the progre side of the democr party. i look at warren,, she's attracting high level campai she certainly has the most policy chops and demind message defined message of the candid but she has this burden of having high name id and low personal favorabil donna, she's weeken she was asked about the infamous dna test. very interesting the way she respon a voter. a voter asked this, not a report take a listen. >> yeah, well, you know, i'm

glad you asked that question. i genuinely am glad to have a chance to talk about it. i am not a person of color. i am not a citizen of a tribe. tribal citizenship is very differ from ancestry. >> how did she hand this will? >> mean, i think she is -- she unders that she's going to ask. she understands she has to refram it a little bit differ and i actually think that that right there was the closest that she has come to acknowledging that she misstepped in the past. and i think this is going to be, you know, a story that is not going to be there for the long term. she does have those policy chops that people are looking for. but also, i don't think the era of identity politics is over becaus a lot of women, for people of color who are the base of the democratic party, our identi is our politics. >> think that is absolutely right. >> that comment remind me, it's hard to catch lightning a

bottle twice. her moment i think was four years ago. there a lot of momentum shechl was the new face. bernie sanders was the new face. now there are a lot of new faces. is a moment where you feel generationa turns, you feel demographic turns, you feel a lot of people looking to the future i think it will be hard for warren and sanders to come back. >> that's the problem, she's no. >> yeah. out of 12 options in at pollit was someone new. and despite all these choices they have, so who that person is, we have yet to see. i do th argume for a woman candidate as well. if you look at the house and that excitement we saw this no question about that. the question is, w two both be women? that will be an interesting develo that's all we have for today. thank watching. we're glad to be back in 2019. we'll be back here next week as well because if it's sunday, it's "

- at the cma foundation, we believe every child should have the access and opportunity to participate in quality music programs. i'm sara evans. music has always been a huge part of my life. music education isn't just important if you're going to make it your career. it also helps children develop the abilities that set them up for lifelong success. music is transformative and i want to ensure that it is never silenced. learn more at itstartswithme.org. (upbeat music)

no camp david accord this time as the president remains at odds with the democrats over the funding of a border wall. with the government shutdown now into its third week. it was a golden night in hollywood as the stars came out along with jaw-dropping moments during this year's golden globes. >> actor kevin spacey faces a different spotlight today when he'll face the judge in a courtroom on a sexual assault charge. it was once one of the nation's most secretive places, housing billions in cash and government secrets. today it's got a whole new treasure. a high pressure situation in the lone star state. buckle up for a new week, "early today" starts right now.