this sunday, the democratic divide. >> when government works, only for the wealthy and the well connected that is corruption plain and simple. >> some progressives are pushing hard for goals like a green new deal. >> i don't think that we lose elections by addressing climate change. >> but other democrats worry they're being impractical. >> i know congress won't pass med care for all. >> i'll ask senator michael bennet about this divide. and president trump fighting for the border wall. >> we need security. it's not an option.

>> will he force another shutdown, declare a national emergency? i'm speak with mick mulvaney. we will be announcing the parameters of our investigation. which go beyond russia. >> my guest the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. and extortion, infidelity, why the fight between amazon's jeff bezos and "the national enquirer" david pecker is much more than just tabloid fodder. joining me for insight and analysis are, katy tur nbc news correspondent and host of "msnbc live." david brody, chief political analyst for cbn news. kimberly atkins senior washington news correspondent for wbur in boston. markos moulitsas, the founder of daily kos. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington the longest running show in

television history. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. from the moment donald trump rode down that escalator in 2015 republicans had been engaged in a debate. what does it mean to be a republican? well now the 2020 field is taking shape. elizabeth warren announced yesterday and klobuchar is expected to announce soon. is it someone who raises taxes on the super real wealthy or medicare for all? think of warren and bernie sanders and kamala harris. or a deal maker, acceptable to the left who handed the democrats the house. think klobuchar, joe biden, sherrod brown or michael bennet. in short it's a battle between the incremental and the audacious, the audacious part was greeted with cheers with the unveiling of the environmental

green new deal by the progressives newest super alexandria ocasio-cortez. that same announcement was greeted with cheers on the right as republicans see an opportunity to accuse democrats of threatening to turn the united states into some socialist dystopia. in the end, democratic voters may have to answer this question -- are they looking for a candidate who's aligned perfectly with them it logically or are they just looking for anyone who can beat president trump? >> i say it's time to fight back. >> massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is the latest candidate to formally jump into the widening democratic field. >> i'm running. >> i'm running. >> i'm running. >> i'm running. >> and already democratic voters are weighing whether electability can coexist with unwavering progressive positions. on issues from universal health care to raising taxes on the wealthy to a green new deal. >> who of us had not that situation that you have to wait for an approval and your

insurance company says i don't know if we'll approve all this. let's move on. >> harris raised the profile of an issue that's drawing the dividing line between progressives -- >> 52 o% of republicans support medicare for all. >> and more centrist democrats. >> you're talking about trillions of dollars. >> i want to improve people's lives today. if i think -- i know congress won't pass medicare for all. >> then there's warren's wealth tax on some millionaires. >> ultra millionaires tax to make sure that rich people do their part for the country that made them rich. >> i think the constitution lets you impose income taxes only so it's probably unconstitutional. >> this week -- >> we are outlining the green new deal. >> many 2020 democrats rushed to embrace it. >> green new deal. >> green new deal. >> the brilliance of the green new deal. >> oh, it's impractical it's too

expensive, oh, it's this. if we used to govern our dreams that way we would have never gone to the moon. god, that's impractical. that ball in the sky. >> house speaker nancy pelosi perhaps mindful of defending swing districts in 2020 called it the green dream. telling politico nobody knows what it is but they're for it, right? and conservatives led by president trump have pounced, reviving an old trope from decades ago. >> america will never be a socialist country. >> on our hannity watch the rise of socialism. >> socialism. >> creeping socialism. >> michael bloomberg argues a centrist candidate will be more electable. >> i'm tired of listening to things that are pie in the sky that we never are going to pass. never going to afford. i think it's just disingenuous to promote those things. >> it's a case former vice president joe biden is also likely to make if he runs. >> well, i read in "the new york times" today that i -- that one of my problems is if i ever run

for president i like republicans. okay, bless me father for i have sinned. >> and joining me is the acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. five or six days away. >> a potential shutdown so we have to talk with that. >> good morning, that was a lot of fun. >> i have a feeling you'll enjoy watching the democratic primary play out. but let's start with the near term here. seems to be cautious optimism that a deal is at hand. you had this camp david meeting i believe on friday with some congressional leaders. how close are we to a deal and is the president going to support something that is less than what he asked for? >> two different questions so let's talk first about how close we are to the deal. i honestly don't know because it depends on who you listen to. and in fact, i think what we're seeing now in these negotiations, again, the white house at the request of all the parties on the hill sort of stepped back. we're still participating, still listening and we're still talking but not leading the negotiations. we are sitting there and watching what's happening. what we hear is just as varied

as what you played out. sort of depends on who you talk to. i heard there may be a deal as with as much as 1.2 or $2.5 billion for a border fence. then i hear that there may be zero or as little as $800 million for the border fence. one democrat who wants to not only reduce the spending in year but go back and take money away from previous years that hasn't been spent year. so it's all over the map and i think it's all over the map because of the democrats and all over the map because of what you just played on the introduction to this segment. >> $2 billion is the number we keep hearing for this additional money. he wanted the 5.72. seems to be the number that everyone is circling. is that an acceptable number? >> this is how the president looks at it. agree or disagree with him you may agree or disagree, folks may have different opinions about it, for the president does believe that there's a national security crisis and a humanitarian crisis at the border and he will do something about it. whether or not he gets $1.6 billion from congress, whether or not he gets 2.5 or

5.7 he's going to whatever he legally can to secure that border. you have to look at this, chuck, in terms of the larger agreement regarding what we're going to do on the southern border. >> is it fair to say whatever congress hands him he'll sign. he just may not be enthusiastic about it? >> i don't think so. >> you can't -- we can not definitively rule out a government shutdown at the end of the week? >> you cannot and here's why. let's they the democrats prevail and the hard core left wing democrats prevail. it was a democrat congresswoman who put out a tweet yesterday about $0 for dhs. so let's say that the hard core left wing of the democrat party prevail ins in this negotiation and it's a low number for the wall, he can't sign that. >> but can you imagine senate republicans would go along with the proposal like that?

are you that skeptical of senate republicans? >> i don't think so. but is the shutdown entirely off the table, you asked me, no. >> $2 billion you sit here with the loose compromise and supposedly you're coming to an agreement tomorrow. because in order to get it passed by the end of the week. is that still the loose deadline? >> i have been told it's today. >> oh. >> i was at camp david with a couple of conference members on friday night and they were told to be in town today to get ready to sign. >> it is likely that if the president signs it he's going to say yes, but? is that the best -- because you just said no matter what, whatever he short of is he going to find the money somewhere else? is that what we'd expect? >> that's fair. that's the most likely outcome. you can't not that take the shutdown off the table, but if you end up in the middle yeah, what you'll probably see is the president say, okay, and then i'll go find the money some place else. >> you have been looking for the money in the budget. there's a national emergency. are the two the same or different? do you find money without declaring a national emergency

or do you need to declare the national emergency to use this other money? >> the answer to the question is both. there are certain sums of money that are available to the president, to any president. i think that bears sort of more detail, chuck. what we're looking at doing with president trump is stuff that's entirely legal. stuff that is laid out in law already. the question is not, okay, the president didn't get what he'll do, so he'll do whatever he wants without congress. you comb through the law at the president's request, you and i have talked before about his request to go find money in any place we could. we have done that. there are pots of money that all presidents have access to without the national emergency and there are ones that he won't have access to without that declaration. >> you're not sounding optimistic. about this. it does -- i'll be honest. are you counseling him not to take this deal? >> how can you be optimistic about the compromise when the opposition party is just as fractured as you showed in the introduction? where is the center of gravity

in the democrat party? >> does that matter if the compromise comes up and it's $2 billion? if that's the compromise, that's the compromise. >> we'll judge the deal by the deal itself. but you asked me about optimism versus pescism. what do the democrats stand for? they say that walls are immoral, but then walls work. where the democrats for a rare circumstance as i have been in washington they're all on the same page which is we need more of that. by my lack of optimism comes from my maybe my experience in this town. >> fair enough. let me shift to saudi arabia. on friday there was a deadline for the administration to provide a report on the death of "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi. we have been reporting -- we have a report that the administration did not meet this deadline. why hasn't that happened or did you meet a deadline and we don't know it yet? >> i don't know. i haven't been familiar and worked on the negotiations but i

know there were some requirements placed upon us by congress. i don't know of the status of the report. >> none at all? you're not prepared to answer if the president believes the saudi government was behind the assassination of jamal khashoggi? >> i think the -- i can't remember, i think it's the state department that was supposed to do that. you have to ask secretary pompeo. >> because i want to ask you about one thing that the saudi foreign minister posted on twitter. it was a rather threatening poster. take a look at it. it was something here. i know you're very familiar with him. our leadership is a red line and look at the bomb, we warn against any attempt to link khashoggi's crime to our leadership. the united states congress has basically done that. the intelligence community has done that. that's a threat against the united states? i don't know. >> i don't know what that is. i know that state department is looking into it and that congress is looking into it and beyond that, chuck, it has not come to my desk yet. >> you know ago the jeff bezos story. he has implicated "the national

enquirer" and the owner, mr. david pecker, in some form of a blackmail or extortion scheme. can you say definitively that the president of the united states knows nothing about david pecker's reporting on jeff bezos? >> you and i were talking about it before the show, about how -- how i can function in my job and you struggle with your function because i can compartmentalize and you can't. i have not had one second's worth of conversation with the president of the united states about the jeff bezos situation. >> not a single at all? >> we run the government, chuck. >> i understand. he spends with -- well, i guess it leads me to the question there's a report that the president spends a majority of his time in executive time. so could it be that this was why you're not aware of this? that he's off tweeting away and gossiping and not working? >> no. i read that and i get those schedules. in fact, that's probably the closist thing to the public schedule we put out. 400 people get that schedule so

it wasn't that valuable of an information. >> why is there a leak? >> well, come back to answer your question about the executive time. because you and i have had this conversation i think before which is this show lasts an hour. does that mean only you work for an hour a week? no, there's lot of stuff that goes on to make that happen. that executive time is on there to allow the president to prep for the next meeting to debrief from the previous meeting. the phone calls start at 6:00 in the morning and go until 11:00 at night so i can assure you's working more than on the calendar. >> when we booked you, we were told you're still the acting chief of staff. is that going to change? will the acting ever be dropped? >> honestly i don't care. i don't think anybody else pays attention to it outside of the west wing. >> do you plan to serve the rest of the calendar year? >> yeah, i plan to serve as long as what the president does. that's what everybody in the west wing does. these are temporary jobs in the first place. i'll stay as long as he feels

like i'm doing good value and as long as i'm contributing and this is happening right now. >> commerce secretary a real thing? >> no that was a discussion we had back i think in the fall before this position so, no, i have heard that i turned down several millions of dollars to be the president of the university of south carolina. which is also force. no. the parlor games get played in washington. >> yes, they do. mick mulvaney, the acting white house chief of staff. thank you. and joining me now is someone who may soon jump into the democratic race for president, it's senator michael bennet of colorado. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you for having me. >> well, let me start with this. where do you fit in in field? what kind of campaign do you want to run? we're hearing elizabeth warren yesterday, very unapologetic, major change. transformational types of things, i'm tired of waiting for medicare for all and others are talking about a more, hey, you have to live in the real world, pragmatic approach, it's a divided country or congress. you won't get that done, so don't overpromise.

where are you? >> i would say first of all, the country -- i don't mean this just as a political statement. i think it's true. i don't think the country is anywhere nearly as divided as washington, d.c. is. i think the country is sick and tired of washington yapping about stuff and not actually doing anything. my state's the third democratic, the third republican and a third independent. and people notice that we have got nothing done over the last ten years except for the affordable care act when the democrats were in charge and this terrible tax cut when donald trump has been in charge. that's a pretty sorry record when you think about what the chinese are doing. and i think we need to judge people, candidates and elected officials based on the outcomes, based on the results that they actually get and not on what they -- you know, the press conferences that they have. >> look, if you're running -- i want to play a clip from senator warren's speech from yesterday, because this is where the base

of the party is right now. take a listen. >> i'm tired of hearing that we can't afford to make real investments in child care, college and medicare for all. i'm tired of hearing that we can't afford to make investments in things that create economic opportunities for families. i'm tired of hearing what we can't afford because it's just not true. >> senator bennet, that's the base -- the base of the party wants that. what are you going to tell a voter that wants that when you say, it's not -- you're not going to be able to get that? >> first of all, i'm tired of hearing all that stuff too that elizabeth said. i completely agree with her. think of what we've done since 2001. we cut tax by $5 trillion and almost all went to the wealthiest americans. the president says $7 trillion on wars in the middle east,

that's 11, 12, $13 trillion that we did not on the lack of economic mobility and the huge income inequality that we have. so i agree with all of that. i think it is -- the guy that was in this chair right before me who's now the president's chief of staff, who was one of the people in the freedom caucus who tortured president obama over and over and over again, called him a bolshevik and a communist couldn't lift a finger to help since we were in the worst recession and they have given us the biggest deficit we have ever had in a period of economic growth. a republican president, a republican senate, a republican house. the fiscal hypocrisy is unbelievable and i think that's what elizabeth warren was responding to. and i totally agree with her on that. the question is how are we going to make the investments in a way that the solutions will actually endure? >> let me ask about health care. medicare for all. i'm curious, is it time for the democrats to push for that when obamacare has never been

implemented as it was intended to be? >> well, first of all, there are two big projects for america i think on health care. one is covering everybody. it is a disgrace that we are the only industrialized country in the world that doesn't cover everybody. and the other thing we need to figure out how to do is not spend twice as much on health care as we spend as any other industrialized country spends on health care to get worse results that's what we're doing as a country. we have to figure out how to do those two things. and i actually would give the nobel prize to whoever who can figure out those two things. but speaking personally the idea we'll go out and offer to take insurance away from 180 million people -- you mentioned the affordable care act. remember when president obama said if you like your insurance you can keep your insurance and then, you know, a few people in america actually lost their insurance because of the way the plan worked. now what democrats are saying is, if you like your insurance,

we're going to take it away from you from 180 million people that get their insurance from their employer and like it. we're 20 million americans who are on medicare advantage and love it. that seems like a bad opening offer for me. i think we'd be much better off with a bill like the one i have with tim kaine called medicare "x" that creates a public option. it helps finish the work of obamacare and says if you want to be in the public plan you can choose to be in the public plan. if you want to keep your insurance, keep your insurance. >> there's a lot of people thinking about running for president. why you? what do you offer that you think, you know what, i want to present this answer for the public? >> i think that i have got a different set of experiences than the other folks in the race. many of whom are my friends and people that i like. but i spent time in business, time as a school superintendent before i was in the job that i'm in now. as i sit or when i sit on the

senate floor, i often think about what i'm hearing through the lens of the kids i used to work for in the denver public school. so i think we have an opportunity to have a presidential campaign, you know, we have a million people that are going to run which i think is great. we have to do it. and i think having one more voice in that conversation that's focused on america's future i don't think would hurt. >> i want to ask you about virginia. you were one of the first people to call on governor to resign. virginians are divided on this issue of should governor northam should resign. does that mitigate where your

head is at? >> it doesn't change it for me i think he should go. but we have to find a way as a country beyond these daily conflicts and begin to work together to try to get things done for the american people and for america's place in the world. >> were you too quick for -- are we too quick to call for resignations sometimes? >> we obviously need due process in this country. we need to know what the truth is. i think in the case -- in the case of the governor of virginia, his handling of this creates a situation where probably the best thing for him to do would be to resign. >> still more troubling to you in some ways? the way he's handling it? >> i think that's the -- i think that's the main -- that is a big issue. >> all right. senator michael bennet, i'll leave it here. i hope you'll come back here if you make your final decision on running. >> thanks. when we come back, we'll talk more about the democratic divide. the incremental versus the

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welcome back. panelist here. markos moulitsas, the founder of daily kos. kimberly atkins from wbur in boston. and host of "msnbc live," katy tur and david brody from cbn news. i'll pick up the conversation. we have markos here. this week, here's a bullet point of the green new deal. achieve net zero green house gas emissions, upgrade all existing buildings. overhaul transportation systems and guarantee a job for every american. it's a resolution, not a bill. here was president trump's tweet in response, a bit of sarcasm. i think it is very important for the democrats to press forward with their green new deal.

it would be great for the so-called carbon footprint to eliminate all planes, cows, gas and the military. brilliant. the democratic party is this a healthy debate that's happening right now? >> i think this is aspirational. this is popular and if trump thinks this will hurt us politically he's not really paying attention to the pulse of the country. this is aspirational like you said. it's not a bill. the details would have to be worked out. this is so ambitious that they'd have to be worked out over decades. this is a broad, aggressive, bold agenda. it will take time to implement, but at least it shows people where the democratic party is going on the issue of climate change. >> david, obviously the president's team sees a re-election opening. >> oh, yeah. i mean, it's wide, it's huge. and it's a real big pothole for the democrats. we know the polls, 35% of the country is conservative, 35% is moderate, 26% or so liberal.

but this is going in the far different direction even some of the polling shows that only it's 19%, nbc poll, 19% thinks that socialism is okay. these are americans in this country. so the point is that donald trump sees this, he's a master brander. and i believe this is a major, major pothole for democrats coming in 2020. big time. iceberg right ahead. >> i'm not so sure about that. i think you have some real reporting out there from experts not just analysts on television, but from actual experts at the u.n., from donald trump's own administration saying how dire this is. the u.n. said we have 12 years before complete disaster. talk to the representative of the marshall islands and he's calling it what could amount to genocide if we allow things to go as they are. the reports aren't just hey, it's going to get bad. the reports are people will die. millions and millions of people will die and i think that there's an appetite among voters out there, especially democratic voters and potentially swing

voters to say, let's do something about this now because it's going to affect our future and there's real economic damage that can happen as well. billions of dollars in economic damage from crops, to deaths, to losing ocean front homes and businesses in -- over the next century. >> real quick a push back. because the 2020 election won't be about the green new deal but the whole kit and caboodle. cutting i.c.e. funding, what's going on with the abortion. president trump is going to put all of that into the blender if you will and i think it paints the democrats as way far to the left and it's a major problem. >> we were talking about this. what the democrats think of -- what they have learned about trump more than anything else is own that stuff. and own -- don't be afraid to back down from the positions that they're willing to take. donald trump never backed down. maybe this -- maybe the solution is to own it. >> i think on the issue like this, on the environment, sort of like health care, something that people understand and

connect to. they are seeing these dire warnings and they're thinking of their children, not only their grandchildren, but their children and what kind of world we are literally leaving for them. i think that is an issue that moves and i think the aspirational aspect i think it was brilliant not to put in details that people can take down. hey, come to the table with the proposals that will help us deal with this important -- >> look, all of this is going to -- as the proposals are fought over, it's going to delve into -- if the democratic party is that going to make them less electable. so today is a great framing. you have amy klobuchar and yesterday elizabeth warren. elizabeth warren i would call it a clarity of purpose. no ambiguity. amy klobuchar going to talk about getting bills signed by president trump. that's two -- i say this. that's two -- she is saying i'm a get things done person. you can dream all you want. how is that going to play out? >> i think we're looking for dreamers at this point.

i think trump is going to accuse us of being socialist no matter what. he'll use the same playbook. it didn't work in 2018 it won't work in 2020. i think it's important to get people a sense of where the candidate wants to be. yes, we can is actually a very positive message as opposed to maybe klobuchar or sherrod brown saying no, we can't. we all realize with the political process it's slow. it's designed that way so not a lot will get done, no matter what the president is. who has the vision to articulate what the democratic party is all about. that's what will get people excited. >> yes, we can, but now yes, we can become a socialist country. i know it sounds alarmist -- hang on a second. i know that sounds alarmist, but remember, you have got donald trump and the make america great again slogan against potentially the way he brands it make america socialist for the first time. that's powerful with the white middle class blue collar

democrats who are relatively culturally conservative that's important, you have to win some those back or you have to go the other route and go with more minorities and women. >> i talked to five senior democratic officials on 2020 campaigns about what that question is. electability, what does it mean for the democratic party and almost all of them said, listen, i think electability is going to be easier with donald trump as the general election candidate than it would be with anybody else. the primary is the real battle. nile like what they need to do is propose or lay out who they are, what their plans are. and show how donald trump has not been presidential and has not lived up to the promises he made to the voters in the midwest and in pennsylvania. they might have an argument with that. when you look at who voted for donald trump and what's happening in macomb county, you will see there's some economic worry there that he hasn't represented them as he promised. >> very quickly, kimberly, you have covered elizabeth warren

for a long time. the issue of her identity and this native american identity, it came up in another place that was found. i was curious to see how much it would be part of it. "the new york times" didn't mention it until graph 14. politico was in the headline, in the first graph of "the washington post" and "the washington post." is she ever going to be able to put this behind her? >> she is working on it. she talked about the issues affecting people of color and people of color don't like it when people who are not a person of color try to claim to be. it's beyond the native american problem. so in that sense, she addressing it, but the more that donald trump tweets out tweets with trail in it -- a reference to the trail of tears -- >> you think that helps her? >> yes. do things that seem offensive and awful that make people uncomfortable. it becomes a trump issue and at the very least you hear democrats saying that's a trump

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just click to apply and use your experience to guide your future. welcome back. with democrats in control of the house and the committees there's no shortage of investigations into president trump now or soon to be under way. they're looking at his tax returns, the trump organization, russian investigation and a lot more. at the sen of the of many of the investigations is going to be the house intelligence committee and at the head of the commit tee is chairman, adam schiff. >> thank you. >> you seem to be the committee chairman that the president seems to like to talk about the most these days and he had a two-part tweet that's a good way

of unpacking everything you're working on right now. so now congressman adam schiff announces that he's going to be looking at every aspect of my life, both financial and personal even though there's no reason to be doing so. never happened before. unlimited presidential harassment. the demes on the committees are going nuts. the republicans never did this to president obama, there would be no time left to run government. i heard others will be doing things even those who work at the white house. a continuation of the witch-hunt. lots to unpack. but explain the parameters of your investigation. where you have expanded. how far back into his finances do you plan to look? >> our priority is to make sure that the president is working in the national interest, that he not motivated by some pecuniary interest or fear of compromise or actual compromise that's the length and breadth of it. in terms of the business we are not interested in whether he's a

tax cheat or not worth what he says he is or those issues. what we are interested in is does the president have business dealings with russia? such that it compromises the united states. and the perfect example is something we know about already. that is as a presidential candidate, while he was telling the country he had no business dealings with russia, he was pursuing the most lucrative deal i think of his life and seeking the kremlin's help to make it happen. that's a different form of collusion but it is equally compromising to the country because it means the president of the united states is looking out for his bank account and not for the united states of america. >> you have said you're not convinced robert mueller is looking at this angle. why? >> there's been reporting -- well, i think he should be, but the president has tried to draw a red line and say, you can't look at this. i think the reason that we're looking -- >> can i pause you there? wouldn't mueller warn you, okay, i'm in the middle of investigating this so be patient here and wait till my report? if he were -- >> not necessarily.

i mean, we're doing our best to de-conflict with him, but in the minority, in the last two years, the republicans would not do any investigation. we'd do a credible investigation of the russian links or look into the finances and there was nothing to de-conflict as long as he's been in charge. there has been reporting that when it was alleged that this special counsel had subpoenaed deutsche bank that the president moved to fire mueller and they talked him off the ledge to say that wasn't true, that the special counsel hadn't subpoenaed do it bank. well, he can't be doing much of a money laundering investigation. so that concerns me. that that red line has been enforced i whether by the deputy attorney general or some other party at the justice department. but that leaves the country

exposed. i find it, you know, just remarkable, chuck, that the president of the united states as a candidate, as presumptive nominee, could be pursuing business with the kremlin and lying about it. >> but isn't that what the mueller probe ultimately is about? why not wait for that before pursuing a money laundering investigation? >> well, if we had waited to do any of our investigative work for the mueller investigation we would have been waiting a year and a half and we have a separate and an independent and important responsibility and that is to tell the country what happened. mueller's job is to determine who broke the law, who goes to jail. but as we have seen from bill barr's testimony there's no commitment from the justice department under whitaker or under barr to share that with the congress or the american people. so we need to find it ourselves. >> the president keeps implying that the senate intelligence committee has already found no collusion. he did it again this morning in a tweet, he did it yesterday i think in the tweet. he's naming richard burr by

name. what is your understanding of where -- and how closely are you working together with the senate intel committee? >> you know, we are trying to work collaboratively with the senate, but look i think when the president says there's no collusion what he means is bob mueller has not proved beyond a reasonable doubt i'm guilty of the crime of conspiracy and that's a pretty high bar. but when people say there's no collusion, they must have a different word for the kind of corrupt coordination of effort between the trump campaign and the russians because when mike flynn was secretly talking to the russian ambassador and trying to undermine bipartisan sanctions on russia and lying about it, that was a form of collusion. when the trump family and campaign manager were meeting at trump tow tore get dirt on hillary clinton as part of what was offered as the russian government effort to help the campaign, that was a form of collusion. when the president himself and his business are trying to make money from the russians and get russian help during the campaign

and promising or -- a new relationship with russia and doing away with sanctions that's a form of collusion. ultimately it will be up to mueller to determine if there's a crime. >> you were questioning donald trump jr.'s honesty when it came to the response to the meeting at trump tower and even the response and you talked about some blocked phone calls. blocked calls that implied he might have been talking to his father. there's been reporting that the senate intel committee has uncovered who they were to, and they were not to the president. are you satisfied with that explanation? >> well, we haven't gotten the records yet. but our job, it is very important, this is not to prove the president did money laundering or the records will show this or that. it is to find the facts and find which ever way they cut. the people who were closest to watching father and son in the

campaign, people is like steve bannon have said there's zero chance that don jr. did not discuss that meeting with his father before or after it happened. >> should you have waited until there was evidence before speculating on that? >> the point i made was not speculation. the point is we should get those records. and you can't run a credible investigation if you don't look for documentary proof. we have seen graphically the problems with that approach. >> adam schiff unfortunately i have to leave it there. chairman of the house intelligence committee. i know i'll be talking to you quite a bit throughout the year. when we come back, americans are on the move and mostly to red states. that should be good news for republicans, right? well maybe not. but as we go to break, a word about a giant of congress whom we lost this week. 92-year-old john dingell of michigan was the longest serving member of congress in history. house or senate. he helped pass the civil rights act, the clean air act and the affordable care act. his tour in congress was part of

a dingell family tradition. his father held his seat before him. beginning in 1933 and his wife debby succeeded in 2015. meaning a dingell has represented suburban detroit for 86 years. john dingell was not only immensely powerful but he was funny as his twitter followers got to know. and he knew his place in history. he told me in 2013 that his father said it's not how long you do a job, it's now well. >> i have done my best. there's a tombstone out in kansas somewhere where it said he did his damnedest. when they put it up the tombstone i want aaaaaahhhhhhhh!

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data download time. we spend a lot of time talking about immigration, but it's domestic migration that could have a big impact on the 2020 election as well. every year, u-haul reduces the trends. they track the number of trucks pulling into the states versus the number leaving and at first there appears to be some good news for republicans. 2018 the states that saw the most growth in population from u-haul were texas, florida, south carolina, utah, idaho. last presidential election, all of those states voted for donald trump. on the other end of the spectrum the three states on the bottom of the list were california, michigan and illinois. these states saw more u-haul trucks leave than come in. two blue states and an important swing state with population challenges not what democrats want to hear. going into 2020 this paints a fairly positive picture for republicans but when we take a

closer look at the cities seeing the most u-haul trucks drive in, things may start to look better for the democrats. here are the top ten cities for growth from u-haul. the five cities in bold, madison, grand rapids, harrisburg, kissimmee are in blue-leaning cities that president trump won in 2016. now the margin was less than 1.5 percentage points. if it's the blue areas that are growing, that could pose a problem for the president's re-election in 2020. now, we don't know for sure exactly who's moving in to and out of these places. but if it's the blue dots inside the red states that are the places that have been growing which we have seen a lot of, that could mean some of the states start to look more and more blue or purple over time. when we come back, the tabloid scandal that's so much more than just about "the

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end game brought to you by boeing. continuing our mission to connect, protect, explore and inspire. >> back now with end game and the bizarre story of jeff bezos, "the national enquirer," saudi arabia, the mueller probe, all in to one potentially explosive story here. i'll start with the jeff bezos letter on thursday where he writes, several days ago, ami, the parent company of "the national enquirer" said that mr. pecker is an apresident clinton tick about our investigations. for reasons still to be better understood the saudi angle seems to have hit a particularly sensitive nerve.

katy tur, this bezos story on the one hand it's the story of a billionaire standing up to "the national enquirer" but oh so much more. >> we're not on "snl"? >> we're not on "snl." >> just making sure. >> you're right. are we even allowed to bring this up thanks to my friends over at "snl." >> it does have -- it could potentially have so many tentacles into so many different areas. not just how "the national enquirer" does business, but "the national enquirer's" nonprosecution agreement with the nsdi -- >> i forgot about the michael cohen and stormy daniels. >> david pecker's relationship with donald trump, could the president of the united states have known that "the national enquirer" was trying in bezos's words trying to blackmail him and then the saudis are involved. it sounds tabloidy at first, but could end up being large, the farther you get into it. it has a lot of potential.

>> david brody, the president couldn't help himself. he was so excited that bezos got targeted by "the national enquirer" and now you think, are you too excited and did you know about it? >> there's always a tweet. >> so sorry to hear about jeff bozo being taken down by a corm whose reporting i understand is more accurate. normally you would think that the president wants to be above all this. >> he would be smart -- good luck, right, to stay away from this. look, any time you're on the same kind of "the national enquirer" that's not a good day. i would say this, the media needs to be careful though. you mentioned donald trump, trump has become the new kevin bacon. six degrees of separation, all back to donald trump. if the media starts to make this now -- could be about potentially donald trump -- >> well, the evidence needs to be backed up. >> but the point of it is the cable television shows will go and do this 24/7 if that's the

case. look, i think again it helps trump. once again, because why -- why is it always about trump? it just seems like that -- >> trump inserts himself into it every time. >> but the media has a responsibility not to make this a 24/7 -- >> when he himself has inserted himself into the conversation? >> when it's 24/7, yeah. >> kimberly, i think the saudi angle though is really -- i mean, look, you have -- they are obsessed with trying to separate the crown prince, mohammed bin salman away from jamal khashoggi. jeff bezos said that the purchase of "the washington post" has been a complexer fire, thank you, mr. bezos. i think it's more than just speculation. >> i think jeff bezos hinted at it and we don't know what the connections are but if they had

a role in obtaining this information that could be very explosive and be very difficult even more difficult for the trump administration to try to downplay the bad acts of saudi arabia. >> i don't mean to be alarmist here, but at some point, is somebody going to hold saudi arabia accountable for how much they appear to be wanting to mess around or might have been involved in the hack of the qatar e-mails? this is a very aggressive regime under mbs. >> you saw mick mulvaney on this show and he wanted nothing to do with the conversation. >> threatened the united states government it seems. >> well, this white house seems to not have any appetite to push back on the saudis. congress does, but not this administration. >> and then in 2021 when we have a democratic president we can hold the despotic regimes accountable for their actions against the united states. >> do you think it's time for the democrats to stop being too accommodating to the saudis?

historically. >> absolutely, yeah. no, it's -- i think there's a new day in the democratic party. i think there's an appetite for more aggressive oversight. >> david, the saudis have courted the right i feel like the right in this country. have they? >> here's what i think is going on here. i think this administration clearly sees -- it's different when you're a congressman and when you're the president of the united states. you have relationships and the saudi relationship is extremely important. it was the first country he visited back in the day. and beyond the fact there's economic issues here, there a's lot of geopolitical issues here. israel and iran you can go on. it's different sitting in the oval office than in congress. >> that's all. thanks for watching. see you next week, if it's sunday or apparently if it's "saturday night live" it's "meet the press." >> you can see more end game and postgame on the "meet the press" twitter account. [phone ringing]

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