this sunday, divided democrats. bernie versus briiding. highlighted by this comment from freshman congresswoman ilhan omar. >> we'll talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> some fellow democrats hear bigot bigotry. >> the use of anti-semitic languages cannot be tolerated. >> i hear her trying to uplift my grandmother in palestine. >> the debate with implications for 2020. my guests this morning,

democratic senator sherrod brown of ohio. and liz cheney, chair of the house republican conference. >> plus waiting for biden. sherrod brown not running. michael bloomberg not running. both likely out because they expect bide ton get in. >> i have not made the final decision, but don't be surprised. >> what is biden waiting for? and did he ask for a pardon? >> i have never asked for nor would i accept a pardon. >> a stone cold lie. >> we'll talk about that and more with the chair of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. joining me for inside analysis is kasie hunt, robert costa, maria teresa kumar and pat mcrory. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press".

>> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning. never mind that president trump's campaign chairman is going to prison. they argueed this week over which one of them is lying about a possible pardon. dana at "the washington post" pointed out with president trump's recent struggles on north korea, on the trade deficit and the border wall, there's only one thing that can save him, the democrats. and as he said right on cue, here they come. democrats spent much of the last month wrestling themselves to the ground. they were embarrassed over the revelation that ralph northam had once dressed in black face. started by allegations of sexual assault against fair fax, and how to handle ilhan omar, her second comment many saw as

anti-semitic. new cohorts of democrats are coming into contrast with the liberals. they're united about the urgency of beating president trump, but they're divided with each side seeing the other as why trump may win in the next election after all. ilhan omar drew criticism after tweeting that u.s. politicians support israel because it's all about the benjamins, baby. she apologized but then made this comment last week. >> i want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country. >> jews have dual loyalty and can't be patriotic members in which the country they live? words matter. >> some progressives defended omar pointing to anti-muslim slurs against her like this

flayier in west virginia. >> we think hate in racism in our country is growing. >> late this week house democrats united around a broad resolution con dedemning hate ar some progressives objected an initial draft. the episode is among those dividing 2020 democrats. >> i think it was right in this case to demonstrate the house of representatives wasn't going to tolerate statements like the ones made. >> but several top presidential candidates said omar was unfairly targeted. the debate is exposing ideological, generational and racial divides in the democratic party. as the progressive left is showing its strength. >> it is time to break up america's tech giants. >> some 2020 democrats are reluctant to embrace capitalism. >> again, the labels, i'm not sure any of them fit. >> championing the green new deal. >> does the green new deal go

too far? >> no. you cannot go too far on the issue of climate change. >> and calling for medicare for all. >> do you think eliminating private insurance would be a socialist idea? >> no. okay, so my -- i strongly believe that we need to have medicare for all. >> can a more centrist candidate breakthrough in a party that's shifting to the left? >> why should we elect a candidate who says that's not possible to do everything progressives want? >> because i'm being honest. >> this week both former new york city mayor michael bloomberg and sherrod brown said no thanks to a presidential run with joe biden poised to jump into the race. >> i have not made the final decision, but don't be surprised. >> even before his run as official, biden is already explaining a decade's long record including his role in passing the now controversial 1994 crime bill, his vote for the iraq war, skepticism of

anita hill. >> i've been in this fight for a long time. i haven't always been right. i know we haven't always gotten things right, but i've always tried. >> joining me now from cleveland is sherrod brown of ohio who announced this week to the surprise of many that he had decided not to run for president in 2020. senator brown, welcome back to "meet the press". senator -- >> good to be back. >> the last time you were on my executive producer noted he was speaking about his presidential campaign in the present tense it was so -- it seemed so eminent to it. you surprised a lot of people. you had even begun to hire some people. what changed your mind? >> well, as you know, chuck, this all started off because i don't think democrats were talking to working class americans of all races enough. if you love your country you might for the people who make it work. we began our dignity of work tour in four states. yes, we hired people to help us

with that tour, and to be ready. and our goal was to inform the narrative in the democratic party so that democrats began to talk more to workers and talked about the dignity of work. a number of candidates have already done that, have been talking about the dignity of work. i predict that the democratic nominee is the one that talks to workers the best. i'm not just talking about workers in the industrial midwest. i'm talking about the physical therapist in nevada, the construction worker in new hampshire, and the hospital worker in baltimore, and i would predict, if i could do this, that come january 20th, 2021, that in the inaugural when either the democratic president-elect raises his or her right hand, they'll launch into a speech, their inaugural speech. we'll talk about the dignity of work. it's who i am. it's what we fight for. most importantly, it's how we

govern. >> to reinforce, we put together a collection of folks who stole your line. take a listen. >> we have to reward and recognize the dignity of work. right? >> there is dignity in all work and career professionals. >> we've got to give it the dignity of the work that is being performed. >> so senator, your message, in some ways you're doing something that many presidential candidates wish could have happened to them. your initial message resonates to the point where you have competitors stealing your lines. let me ask you this. how do you not run? it was resonating when you still said no. >> well, it was resonating, and i'd say mission accomplished but i'm not done yet. i can do that better now from the senate. i mean, we spent three months talking about the dignity of work. i'll continue to do that. i went to the floor right after i announced i wasn't going to run and talked about civil rights and voting rights and worker rights and a supreme court that puts its thumb on the scales of justice in favoring

corporations over workers and health insurance company over sick people, and wall street over consumers. i will continue that economic populist fight always through the eyes of workers. it's what we are as a party. i think i could drive that better from the senate than i can as one out of 15, 20 presidential candidates, but in that sense -- >> i'm curious, when was the last time you talked to joe biden? >> october. >> so you haven't talked to him recently? this wasn't him calling around letting people know he's running? >> it was none of that. i know that's been reported but the people that reported that never called me, connie, sara, my chief of staff. never called jenny, my communications director. i like joe biden, i just haven't talked to him. people ask me in almost every one of the states, is joe biden getting in having any impact on your decision? my answer was always zero. >> when people were assessing your candidacy, you were seen as a folk that could bridge this

divide. you're a guy that figured out how to win in a red state but also had kept progress iveprinciples. here's what you told the nation in an interview very recently just before you decided not to run. you said if i run i'll be the only democrat on the stage who will have voted against the iraq war and voted against the defensive marriage act which means and more marriage equality and pro choice 100% over the years. it seemed to be it was your way of saying i'm an experienced democrat, but i'm also on the progressive side of the lane in ways that other democrats, perhaps you're referring to joe biden, were not. >> i was referring to nobody in particular. i was just saying that i've been a strong progressive for years. i will carry that back to the senate. i will be part of this presidential campaign in terms of calling out this president for his phony populism. populism is never racist and antesemitic. populists don't give tax cuts to the richest people in the country and then try to cut

medicare and head start. i'll point out how this president has betrayed the auto workers in lordstown and hospital workers in other places. ly continue to make that case from the floor of the senate from travels around the country by moving the debate forward about dignity of work. >> do you think there's a danger of going too far to the left that it might scare voters say, in ohio? >> i hear these stories that that's the story of the day about democrats moving to the left. i think the more important story is how republicans continue to move to the right. how president trump stalls -- betrays workers and utters racist anti-semitic rhetoric and nobody in their party calls them out. they don't have divisions. they've all followed his racist actions and betrayal of workers. they followed it off the cliff. that's the story, not of degrees of differences between and among

democrats. that's the real story. >> what is fair game? you in that interview said in 1996 when -- essentially, when it wasn't a popular thing to do, you voted against the defensive marriage act, for instance. joe biden has comments about bussing and desegregation of schools that are popping up some quotes from him inside 70s. you could make an argument that was the mainstream democratic party position perhaps in the 70s. should those comments matter to voters in iowa to democrats in iowa in the twenty-first century? >> well, it doesn't really matter what chuck todd or sherrod brown thinks about what it matters to voters in iowa. >> does it matter to you? >> records matter to me. the candidate that is talking to -- i mean, i go back to whoo what are they going to do about talking about workers and the dignity of work. i want to see dignity work not just part of the campaign, not just a slogan, not just what these candidates talk about.

i want to make sure they govern based on the work. it's about wages, benefits, workplace safety, child care. in the culinaryworker's union in las vegas, connie and i were there three or four weeks ago, their slogan is one job should be enough. i want to hear workers start talking about that, that one living wage job should be enough with health care, with retirement, with child care, with safety in the workplace. that's everything to me in this race, and that is a winning message, and it's the way we should govern starting in 2021. >> i'm going to close with the same question i asked at the beginning. i didn't hear an answer for why you didn't run. is it simply you didn't want to do it? >> i think we were successful in moving forward as we have. i was talking to some people about this, and you can run three different ways. you can run as eore where you

get up every day, i have to do this. i didn't want to do that. you can be the angry candidate. i didn't want to be that. or you can run as the sort of optimist joyful candidate. the way i try to do my job in the senate. i think i can too do that better in the senate. >> you're saying you can't run for president joyfully? that's what i just heard. sorry. >> i think i can do it better in the senate. >> fair enough. >> we'll leave it at that. >> senator brown. >> it's always joyful being an your show. >> that i appreciate. it's sunday morning cup of coffee and you've sprung forward. >> even when the time changes and you make me get up an hour earlier and then you broadcast it later and people don't know how early we got up. thank you. >> you and your ohio colleague john kasich, you guys know how to talk to your ohio voters. thank you, sir. much appreciated. joining me now is liz cheney of wyoming. congresswoman, welcome back to

meet the press. >> thank you. >> i want to start with what happened in the house this week. it was a bit of a surprise. you were voted against this broad resolution, and while your criticism of the resolution, i understand, but you were in the minority in your party. did your fellow house republicans make a mistake by voting with the democrats in this resolution? >> no. i think there are two ways we could have gone. some people looked at it and said there's nothing objectionable in the resolution. my statement made clear that was my view as well. i decided to vote against it because i think it was clearly an effort to actually protect ilhan omar, to cover up her anti-semitism by refusing to name her. the democrats have yet to take any action to remove her from her committee. and they have a problem. the extent to which they're abiding by anti-semitism, enabling it in their party. it's something we watch them struggle with, but it's something that's dangerous for the country. i'm hopeful they'll do the right

thing. >> the republican sources were quite peeved at cheney to say the least. when you're part of a leadership team, you stick together, period. criticism being member of leadership, that you should have spoken with one voice. >> i think you know how the hill works. those anonymous sources who are out there sniping. i think the important thing for us to focus on and remember, the democrats have been in charge now for about two and a half months in the house. in that time they've become the party of anti-semitism, the party of socialism. they've passed legislation that's violated the first amendment, the second amendment. it's really time for the democrats -- the leadership in that party to stop it, stand up, and act worthy, frankly, of the trust the american people have placed in them. it's crucial for the nation. >> i want to unpack a couple things you said. you said you think congresswoman omar should lose her assignments. you led the charge to have steve king stripped of his assignment.

if the voters send these folks, the voters in western iowa know steve king for better or worse, and the voters in minnesota knew her comments were very much well -- well-publicized. if they're sending them there, should congressional leaders with b not allowing them on committees? >> voters send them there. nobody is saying we're going to expel them. we expect the decision the voters made. but there are certain things that shouldn't be part of our public discourse. anti-semitism, the history in terms of what hatches when you don't stand up to evil. how quickly words turn into something more horrible when it comes to anti-semitism. we must stand up to it. the ain't of anti-semitism supported by ilhan omar's colleagues is a kind of anti-semitism that has the ability to creep in and become normalized.

and we have an obligation not to let that happen. >> that's anti-semitism that has crept in. look at george sor oez. the attacks on him over the years, there was a poll one tweet that implied that he was essentially trying to buy this or buy that. that's gotten mainstreamed in ways for years to the point where he said some guy was trying to pipe bomb him. this what aboutism? where everybody is trying to point to the other side. >> chuck, chuck -- >> and it's getting old. >> the what aboutism should not go on, and everyone including leader mccarthy has stood up firmly to condemn anti-semitism. the thing people need to focus on is the democrats and the house of representatives and the democrats themselves are completely frustrated with the fact that the leadership is -- they are protecting her. this isn't just being silent. they are protecting her by failing to put a resolution on the floor that names her and that strips her of her committee assignment. instead they put a resolution on

the floor which she went out and said this is a tremendous victory. if we are not going to be in a position where you say the kind of language that she has said again and again and again is absolutely unacceptable and has no place in our discourse, then those people who won't condemn it are enabling it. >> there was concern by singling her out you only make her a target and they pointed to the west virginia republican party flyer. my point is we are getting -- >> you can describe it that way. >> this is a dangerous way. >> you can describe it that way, but you're wrong. when you a situation in this country and around the world where we've seen a global rise in antisemitic attacks. we've had the kinds of attacks you had in the synagogue in the united states recently. that's a moment -- >> a motive on the right. that guy was motivated by right wing fringe ideology. >> anti-semitic. it's wrong. when you're in a situation where you're an elected official, where we have the history we have, what happens when you

don't stand up and say this is evil and call it what it is, we all have an obligation to do that. i think it's shameful that nanty pelosi and the democratic leaders will not put her name on the floor and remove her from the house of foreign affairs committee. >> do you feel comfortable president trump has done enough to tamp down the right wing frin fringe? >> i think we should come together, the president, the vice president, members of the senate and the house, stand up and say in today's world, when anti-semitism is on the rise, when we have the history that we have, when we know what happens when people remain silent, every single one of us must at all times stand against it. >> there's a couple foreign policy headlines. this was with the president on friday about north korea. >> i have a feeling that our relationship with north korea, kim jong-un and myself, chairman kim, i think it's a very good

one. i think it remains good. i would be surprised in a negative way if he did anything that was not per our understanding. >> this is what we've learned just this week he's accelerating the rocket program again. he's enriched more uranium between the summits and more importantly, they were reconstituting the programs while the summit was taking place. >> yeah. >> the president there -- you can't take him at his word on this, can you? >> we have watched kim jong-un and his father and grandfather operate the same way now for decades, and i would say that republican and democratic administrations got taken by him. i hope this president won't. i think that their efforts are clear. >> hasn't he already gotten more out of this president by getting respect on the world stage? >> i think the fact the president walked away from the summit in vietnam is the right thing. we don't want a bad deal. it makes us less safe. >> the president is going to roll out a budget. there's going to be something that's alarming to allies.

the president is going to advocate perhaps wherever we have troops overseas, japan, south korea, germany, he's going to ask for cost plus 50. essentially tax countries over and above where we have bases. what does that do for the diplomacy of this country? >> i think it would be devastating. we benefit. we have been able to benefit both from the perspective of freedom, prosperity, security, safety, because of our bases and cooperation with our allies. the notion that we are now going to charge them cost plus 50 is wrong led and devastating to the security of our nation. >> do you think the republican party will support this? >> i won't. >> but the party might? >> well, i think it's going to be important for us to make sure that people understand the danger that will do to our relationships and our fundamental security. our security, we've protected it because of our alliances and because we've been able to work with countries and we should not look at this as though somehow we need to charge them rent or

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panel is here. pat mccrory, the foreman governor of north carolina. kasie hunt. and robert costa, the moderator of "washington week" on pbs. kasie, let's unpack the hill before we get to the presidential race. the hill debate is going to animate the presidential race. let me play nancy pelosi on omar from friday.

>> the incident that happened was, i don't think our colleague is anti-semitic. i think she has a different experience in the use of words, doesn't understand that some of them are fraught with meaning that she didn't realize. but nonetheless, that we had to address. >> i will say this, speaker pelosi has given me my new favorite excuse, she has a different experience with choice of words. that is one of my new phrases. this is not easy. >> it's not easy, chuck. one thing if you speak with members of the democratic party, who are frustrated how their party handled this. there are jewish and non-jewish that are upset that this is as broad as it was. she said israel was hypnotizing the world before she was in office. she had the benjamins tweet that you showed the audience at the

top of the show. now, she has this. every time, she has pled ignorance of these troeps. but they're tropes for a reason. she's picking up on language that is anti-semitic, quite frankly. i think nancy pelosi is doing what she has very carefully done, since this new caucus has come together, which is try to very carefully thread that needle and try to sew these two different generations together. and it's getting harder. >> but there's only so much speaker pelosi can do. i met with seasoned veterans over the last week. they said in this day and age of social media, where someone like representative omar can have millions of followers, the old rules don't apply. and so, speaker pelosi may try to cobble together legislation, to send a message to voters. but the people who have political capital inside this party, are those with a social media following. >> okay. if you get off social media, the world looks normal.

>> fairly different. >> but if you live on social media -- i mean, i don't mean to carry this over. the nba is having a problem. its players are making all this money and they're depressed because they live on social media and feel every negative comment and live it. that's what is happening to this younger generation. >> and part of it, too, is you don't know who is tweeting you. are they bots or real people? and the challenge is, president trump has really done a fantastic job, communicating to a broader audience based on his tweets. and it's toe-to-toe with a generation that expects they're going to have their breaking news, not on "the new york times," but through a tweet. and you don't have to have the accurate literacy, of, is this accurate? that's a challenge. >> as a former mayor and governor, i thought that resolutions without actions were empty gestures. and this resolution was an empty gesture, which tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing no one. but the problem with the democrats, with these new millennials, i call them the aoc

millennials, not only do they think they have the answers, they think they already have wisdom. and the nancy pelosis of the world have wisdom. and they are trying to explain to the younger people, wait, i'm the old person. and you cannot make that argument. >> there are some millennials at this table. >> bring it on, kasie. >> honestly, i think the leaders can learn something from the newer -- i take your point that, you know, they have not had the kind of experience in government and i think to a certain extent, there are going to be consequences for some of the actions they take on social media, in the universe of trying to get things done. but on the other hand, i think the old guard doesn't really understand the power of what they bring. >> by the way, guys, i want to insert somebody into here really quickly. "the times" set it up well. "the times" said, this is a debate in the democratic party. do americans pine for a pre-trump equilibrium? or do the yawning disparities of these times call out for a more

transformational administration? >> that. absolutely that. >> now, listen to aoc yesterday. listen to this. >> moderate is not a stance. it's just an attitude toward life of, like -- the meh is like worshiped now for what? >> i rest my case. but the point i want to make is there's another issue that brought out the aoc millennials against the traditional liberal democrats. that was amazon. cuo cuomo, one of the most liberal mayors of new york city we've ever had, gave tax breaks to a major multibillion-dollar aoc fought it. the $2 billion didn't exist. she didn't have the knowledge necessary of the economy. now, philosophy, that's a good argument. that's also showing the division in the democratic party. >> i think that what millennials are feeling is they are feeling from their experience. they know that something is off.

they know their experience that they're going to have a guaranteed brighter future than their parents is not going to happen. >> it's broken. >> it's broken. >> it used to be, if you worked hard and you followed the ethics of your parents, you would end up working for a company that would take care of you for a long time. that's not the case anymore. it is simply not the case. >> it's bigger than age. the point representative cortez is making, is that the democratic party needs to move to the left. you look at this 2020 presidential race, where is the energy? fund-raising, bernie sanders. he's in his upper 70s. yet, he's the runner-up from '16 and he's saying to people like the representative of new york, i'm your type of candidate. i'm not a meh candidate, to use her term. >> it takes two 75-plus-year-old guys to have an argument between this generational argument here. are they place holders for now until the younger generation gets more grass roots support?

>> i think that everybody is waiting in the wings in large part because they are waiting for wbeto to announce. all of the democrats that are trying to move to the left, he has not necessarily said he is. and he's more palatable to the independents. and he's done that in an interesting way. if you ask him where his policies are, they're not on the left. >> if there's a criticism on beto, you don't know where he stands. >> all of the left-wing stances, the green plan, where the millennials realize they have to have emergency and power at an affordable price, they will find out that energy is not cheap. you need energy to survive. and the reality is going to wake them up some time. >> this is a conversation that needs more time. and i'm going to give it more time. when we come back, president trump says michael cohen is lying about asking for a pardon. cohen says it's mr. trump who is lying. all right. what does adam schiff think because michael

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welcome back. this was a week in which we saw president trump's former campaign chairman paul manafort get sentenced to prison. the man who made sure donald trump secured the domination for the presidency, was sentenced to prison, with sentencing in another case coming this week. we saw mr. trump and cohen call each other a liar, over whether cohen sought a pardon from the president. we're going to turn to adam schiff, who joins me from los angeles. and on spring-forward day i'm grateful for you getting up that hour earlier. welcome back to "meet the press," their. >> thank you. >> let me start with who is

lying? when it comes to michael cohen asked for a pardon. and did michael cohen lie to congress again? >> well, the central question of our investigation is, why did michael cohen lie before our committee about moscow trump tower? why would this be in his interest? was this something that he did alone or were there others involved in it? and there are reasons to believe that this was not a lone decision on michael cohen. what we are looking for is corroborative evidence. and the reason why this whole moscow trump tower issue is so central to our investigation is, that it explains or potentially explains the president's bizarre affinity for vladimir putin. and that is, he stood to make more money from this transaction than any deal in his life. and sought the kremlin's help to make this happen while concealing this from the public. that may be an animated principle for the president. he may believe that when he leaves office, he still wants to

build this tower. and while that may not be criminal, it is nonetheless corrupt and distorts our policies. that is certainly the central question for us. in terms of who is telling the truth between michael cohen and the president, we know that the president has made probably over 1,000 false statements about the russia issues. and here, we're going to have to find what corroboration we can to find out where the truth lies. >> is it safe to say you can't take michael cohen on his word on anything? >> i don't think in terms of making the case to the public -- and here, we're not making the dis case to a jury, that we can rely on the testimony of michael cohen. we're going to need corroboration. looking at what michael cohen said in the open hearing and what his lawyer said afterwards, it was like what donald trump did when he said he had no knowledge of the payments to stormy daniels. and rudy giuliani said, oh, yes, he did. where is the truth there? we ask michael cohen about this

extensively. those transcripts will be made public. the public can evaluate his credibility themselves. >> you know, it looks like we don't know this for sure, but it looks like robert mueller will complete his investigation without subpoenaing the president before the grand jury or coming up with a way to have him interviewed before the grand jury. president clinton went before ken starr's grand jury. if, indeed, mr. mueller decides not to issue that subpoena or figure out how to get the president in front of that grand jury, is that going to have been a mistake, considering we have so many questions about who's testimony should you believe? michael cohen's or donald trump's? >> yes, i think it is a mistake. i said all along that i don't think bob mueller should rely on written answers. when you get written answers from a witness, it's really the lawyers' answers as much as the client's answer. you need to be able to ask follow-up questions in real-time. but i think the constraint that bob mueller is operating under,

he had an acting attorney general who was appointed because he would be hostile to a subpoena on the president. and now, he has a permanent attorney general who has chosen for the same hostility to his investigation, who would likely oppose that step. i also think the special counsel feels some time pressure to conclude his work and knowing the white house would drag out a fight over the subpoena. that may be an issue, as well. i think ultimately it's a mistake because probably the best way to get the truth would be to put the president under oath. as he's made plain in the past, he feels it's fine to lie to the public after all he has said, it's not like i'm talking before a magistrate. maybe he should talk before magistrate. >> i want to move to something that was a bit confusing. erik prince, the brother of the secretary of education, but also has been before your committee, having to do with some odd meets that he had set up in the

seychell seychelles. he was on al-jazeera and he was asked about some testimony to your committee and about whether he lied or not. take a listen. >> we're there to talk about iran policy. >> there to talk about iran policy? isn't that important to disclose to the house committee under oath? >> i did. >> there's no mention of the trump tower meeting in 2016. why not? >> i don't know if they got the transcript wrong. >> so, this was about another meeting that erik prince had, i believe with some other representatives of other countries, in trump tower, the second so-called trump tower meeting, not with russians but with other foreign countries. based on what you heard there, is mr. prince fetelling the tru? >> he's not telling the truth on that interview. there is something wrong with our transcript. there was nothing wrong with the reporter who transcribed his testimony. he did not disclose that meeting to our committee. and as you can see from the published transcript of his

interview, he was asked what kind of role he played, if any, in the campaign, and he said he had no role, apart from on his own submitting written papers, hanging a yard sign or making a contribution. and he was also asked about any substantive policy conversations that he might have had. so, his interview was certainly looks inconsistent with his testimony. bob mueller has that testimony already. and bob mueller will have to make the decision about whether that rises to the level of deliberate falsehood. we had questions at the time of his testimony about his candor and how forthcoming he was and those questions have been heightened now. >> what is your concern about what he was doing? >> the concern is that this is another concealed meeting. another discussion that took place in the context of the meeting that he had in the seychell seychelles. there have been persistent questions about whether the uae was playing a back channel role to the russians during the

campaign. and those were a lot of the questions that we were asking him about. clearly, this meeting at trump tower with these players, was of direct interest to our committee. so, why conceal it? why withhold that information if there was nothing improper, no improper purpose in it? there are a lot of deeply concerning and unanswered questions surrounding erik prince and his involvement with the campaign. >> all right. adam schiff, i will leave it there. the democratic lead on the house intelligence committee, the chairman. thanks very much for coming on, getting up early and sharing your views with us this morning. >> thank you. when we come back, the state the democrats have on their people are fighting type 2 diabetes with fitness, friends and the pill that starts with "f." farxiga, along with diet and exercise helps lower a1c in adults with type 2 diabetes. although it's not for weight loss, it may help you lose weight. do not take if allergic to farxiga. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash,

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but georgia. that's right. a state that hasn't voted for a democrat for president since bill clinton in 1992. let's look to cobb county, what newt gingrich represented and the rapidly changing politics in the last few years. in 2012, cobb county voted for mitt romney by 12 points. four years later it swung to hillary clinton and she won the county by two points. before you say, that's just a donald trump anomaly, realize that this past november, stal y stacey abrams, the democratic candidate, won cobb county by ten points. what's going on? we went down to cobb county to figure it out. >> it's changing in cobb county. it was one more republican. now, we have a lot of move-ins and it's getting a mixture now. georgia is becoming a mixture. i sort of like the republican part of it. >> it's true.

cobb county has seen a ton of people move in the last few years. between 2010 and 2017, cobb county's population grew 9.8%, outpacing growth in georgia as a whole. in that same time, cobb county has grown more diverse. with increases to the african-american and hispanic populations. more residents have college degrees and median household income has gone from $66,000 to $72,000 per year. the more telling data may be where the transplants to cobb county are coming from. of the top 20 counties that people move to cobb from, since 2012, 13 are from outside the state of georgia. and 15 of those counties voted for hillary clinton, including queens, new york, l.a. county and miami-dade. this is just cobb county, of course. but you can see a lot of the changes in the other suburban counties, where the vote has also swung towards the democrats in and around atlanta.

so, is georgia ready to be a swing state again? >> the younger crowd is definitely going to go towards this. >> i have no doubt that a progressive candidate can win state-wide. >> i think georgia has been a swing state before. i think it's moving towards that way again. >> i can't imagine not being a red state. i really can't. >> we'll find out soon enough. >> we'll find out soon enough. coming up, paul manafort, a how do you get skin happy aveeno® with prebiotic oat. it hydrates and softens skin.

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poll in the field. let me put up the poll that's out this morning because it will have everybody talking. it's meaningful and meaningless at the same time. we see who the top two candidates are, biden and sanders. warren at 9, and harris at 7, right below harris is beto at 5. booker and klobuchar, over 1%. what is telling there, you can tell that buzz is everything. bernie's numbers went up six points from the last time. and what is the ditchfference between this time and the last time? bernie is in the middle of an announcement tour. >> and sanders is running as a movement politician. he's gotten rid of his consultants. he's built a movement from his 2016 campaign. and senator warren has a message. break up the big companies, go after tech. it's a crowded space on that left side of the democratic party. >> you know, chuck, one of the most interesting things in that

poll, if you look at the numbers for biden, the biggest chunk of them, if you ask who the second choice is, the answer is bernie sanders, which is pretty remarkable. i do think -- >> i thought so, too. they're the mainstream of the party, the two of them together. >> potentially, yes. and bernie sanders' fund-raising means that he is going to be a factor. he has a core of supporters. i'm not sure it's big enough to win him big states. but if he polls 20%, 25% consistently, he will have the money to go the distance. mark my words, you will see him at the convention. >> bernie sanders is one of the few people, he never stops campaigning. he does facebook lives where he has 30,000 people watching and following him. he really appeals to young voters. for the very first time young voters are going to outweigh, potentially, the millennials -- excuse me, the baby boomers. they will have more eligible voters. >> therefore, i would like to apologize and do a resolution, based on what i said about the

millennials. i would like to say this, the more the candidates get out, we'll see trump numbers go up because there's going to be a comparison. it's already happening. and the more congressman schiff talks about investigations, and continuing these investigations, after the mueller report, i think trump numbers will go up. i think the democrats are going to put trump in office. >> speaking of the president, i want to play what he said about paul manafort because there's a part of the empathy i really don't get when it comes to become the sitting president of the united states. take a listen. >> i feel very badly for paul manafort. i think it's been a very, very tough time for him. but if you notice, both his lawyer, a highly respected man, and a highly respected judge, the judge, said there was no collusion with russia. >> well, the judge did not say that, though the judge did say this about manafort, i think this sentencing range is excessive. he's been a good friend to others. what i don't understand is why the president is praising and

feeling sorry for a man who defrauded american taxpayers for at least $6 million. >> you know who else wonders that? many trump advisers. they wish the president would be quiet about paul manafort. they wish judge ellis of alexandria would be their spokesman. >> could have been. >> he is making the best case for this administration. the deputy chief of staff out as the communications head. the president going on and on, talking about possible pardons. they wish all of that would just be noise. it's tell lis case, diminishing the mueller probe. that's what the white house wants. >> there's a video right now, of a whale almost swallowing a person swimming in the ocean. and he spits him out. trump needs to spit manafort out. and the chairman of the intelligence committee needs to get rid of cohen. stay away from both of them. they're not good for either party. >> i think we need to clarify that what he was getting sentenced for was russian

collusion. >> it was ripping off the american government of 30 years of lobbying. >> one of the conversations that people are having is how unjust the sentence was for this crime. if we look at this judge, this judge threw the book at representative jefferson from louisiana. >> an african-american democrat from new orleans. >> he was found to have embezzled $400,000. >> the freezer casual. >> the freezer cash. >> it was so much lower than what paul manafort is dealing with. >> is there a justice when it comes to white collar crime. he was teetering on treason when it comes to this. was that fair? that's where we have to unpack the sentence that he was given. >> there's more sentencing coming for mr. manafort. the spinal tap drummer commission at the white house -- i mean the communications director position at the white house -- >> there's some insight. i love it. >> he brought up bill shine. >> you want to be the

communication director? >> what does this mean, kasie? >> to bob's earlier point, we're going to see more of the same. you know, i certainly wouldn't want to be the person that needs to tell the president of the united states how to communicate with the american people. good luck. he's been doing it his entire life. >> how much did "the new yorker" piece have to do with shine's release? >> the president was frustrated with bill shine, not bringing the fox news expertise. most revealing of the most recent weeks, president trump at cpac, two hours. >> volume at 11 for president trump during the speech. >> that's all i have for today. thank you for watching. thank you for springing forward with us. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, no matter the hour, it's "meet the press." [phone ringing]

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