. this sunday the president versus congress. president trump says he's done cooperating with russia investigations. >> i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history of our country by far. >> vowing to deny congressional democrats. >> but we're fighting everyone. >> i wouldn't give them a damn thing. >> congress has the responsibility, and i would say the obligation, to hold individuals in contempt who do not comply with a lawful subpoena. >> my guests this morning, democratic presidential candidate amy klobuchar and ron johnson of wisconsin.

plus, some democrats say now is the time for impeachment. but polls show it is not popular with the public. and speaker pelosi is not budging. >> there are some people who are more eager for impeachment. many more eager to follow the investigation. >> if we give donald trump eight years in the white house, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation. >> joe biden gets in the race finally and argues president trump needs to go and that he can be beat him. joining me for insiegght and analysis are robert costa, pegny noonan, carlos and helene cooper. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. this is "meet the press" with

chuck todd. and good sunday morning. i'm andrea mitchell filling in for chuck todd. the word stone wall has been associated with the watergate scan scandal. in one of the tapes, nixon tells john mitchell, i want you all to stone wall it, let them plead the fifth amendment. fighting congressional democrats, stone walling seems to be president trump's whole point right now while the mueller report has certainly not generated a watergate level crisis, president trump this week made clear he is not about to cooperate with russia related investigations, despiting the evidence detailed in the mueller report. mr. trump is vowing to fight congressional subpoenas. the president knows this play book well. he's employed a jab and move strategy, hoping to run out the

clock until the current crisis ends or the next one emerges, all of which has left democrats debating their next move. start impeachment proceedings as some on the left are urging or keep investigating, fight the president and leave mr. trump's fate to the voters. >> the radical, liberal democrats put all their hopes behind their collusion delusion. >> as a campaign rally saturday night president trump on the attack. >> the scum that's leading the very top of government, these were dirty cops. >> with house democrats demanding his current and former top aids testify, the president is prepared to declare executive privilege and run out the clock. >> these aren't impartial people. the democrats are trying to win 2020. >> he's trampling constitution, no doubt about it. they are doing a blockade. >> democrats have subpoenaed don

mcgahn to testify next month. he is emerging as a central witness to potential obstruction as the president urged him to fire mueller, mcgahn refused. >> i never told don mcgahn to fire mueller. if i wanted to fire mueller, i would have done it myself. >> the president attacking the investigators. >> an attempted coux. >> they tried for a cue. didn't work out so well. >> and mr. trump and his advisers, including his son-in-law, are down playing russian interference. >> it is a terrible thing, but i think the investigations and all of the speculation that's happened for the last two years has had a much harsher impact on democracy than a couple facebook hacks. >> russia is working 365 days to year to undermine u.s.

democracy. >> we're very much viewing 2018 as just kind of a dress rehearsal for the big show. >> 2020. >> "the new york times" reported this week that former homeland security secretary was told don't bring up russian interference in front of the president. now democrats are divided over next move. 56% of americans oppose impeachment. 37% favor starting the process. although 58% believe mr. trump lied to the public about matters under investigation by mueller and 47% say he obstructed justice. still on the campaign trail democrat candidates are beginning to push house speaker pelosi to act. >> i believe congress should take the steps towards impeachment. >> but pelosi is trying to hold them off. >> i don't think there is big division in our caucus about this. there are some people who are more eager for impeachment, many

more eager to just follow the investigation. >> and joining me now is democratic presidential candidate and minnesota senator amy klobuchar. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thanks, andrea. it is great to be on. >> well, good to have you with us. you remember the judiciary committee. the democrats say that the president is stone walling. he clearly is saying no cooperation, no witnesses, either current or former aids. does this amount to obstruction? >> when you read that report in detail and you start out with what happened with russia, to me it looks like obstruction. and especially the part if we want to protect our nation, maybe russia didn't use tanks, maybe they didn't use missiles, but they invaded our democracy all the same. they did it by meddling and not just meddling but actually invading our democracy. they actually got into voter roles. we're finding out now they got into some county in florida and

they won't tell us. every time that i have tried to do something about this with our secure elections act, the white house has squelched the e effff. paper ballots will ensure that we're able to have a successful 2020 election where we actually have the american people voting and not the russians determining what happened. >> but the president says he's been exonerated. the russia investigation is closed. case closed. it's over. so how does congress get him to provide witnesses, documents if he says that current and former aids will not be permitted to testify? >> well, that's what subpoenas are all about. when i look at this, these witnesses like don mcgahn who we now know the president attempted to tell him to, you know, end this investigation and fire mueller, don mcgahn spoke to the special counsel. that is now public so, the

american people should be able to know what he says. we should be able to ask questions. that's what this is about, getting the full report, getting mueller. we will see attorney general barr this week, and i'm going to be asking him on not only why did his administration decide to go to court to get rid of the affordable care act and deny millions of americans coverage, but also why did he not allow this report to come out in full and what is he doing about russia because, to me, that's the key thing. we have an election coming up in 2020. it doesn't matter if you are a democrat or republican. you want to have a fair election. >> the house democrats are in an argument apparently according to nbc news exclusively today, the justice department is threatening not to threat the attorney general to the house committee the day of you see him in the senate. the justice is objecting to some

of the conditions they are demanding. they are demanding to go into executive or private session to go over the redacted material. what should they do if he refuses? >> they will have to work that out, but he has to come before the house. he is the attorney general of the united states. we haven't seen him in the senate since his confirmation hearing and since he did his four-page summary which turned out to not reflect what was exactly in the report. i didn't support attorney general barr just because i was very concerned about this kind of messing around with the facts, his views of an expansive role of executive power, which basically disses the power of the congress to be a check and balance on the attorney general. this isn't, having gone all around the country, this isn't just about the mueller report and what's happening with russia, andrea. this is about what's going on with immigration. this is about what's happening

with the affordable care act where millions and millions of americans, over 50% of them, are afraid they are going to lose their health insurance because of pre-existing conditions. he has to come before congress and explain what in the world this administration is doing when it comes to people's every day lives. >> now, i know that impeachment is not popular with the american people. one of your opponents, elizabeth warren, has said there is a moral issue here that you have to begin in the house side starting with impeachment. i know you said that you, as a senator, would be a juror and you are not going to commit. but don't you have to say whether or not you should at least start the process? >> the house is going to make that decision. and for me the most important thing is to hold this president accountable. and as director mueller himself pointed out in the report, there are many ways to do that. one is with the process through congress which includes these investigations with the president is already stone walling. the second is other investigations that are going on

right now, including in the state of new york, and the third is pretty straightforward, andrea. that is defeating him in 2020. that's what i intend to do and will do. >> don't you have an obligation to tell democrats in the primaries whether or not you are in favor of at least opening up an impeachment investigation? >> i believe that the president should be held accountable. and i think that's what people want to know. and i have been incredibly aggressive about pushing in hearings, pushing attorney general barr. i'm actually the one that asks the obstruction of justice questions. and now i'm going to have another opportunity to have him go before me next week where i say, you know, when i asked you if it was obstruction to try to impede the integrity of a witness testimony, you said that it was. and now we've got all kinds of evidence of pardons being dangled out. we have got evidence of the president's counsel being told to change his story, evidence of

him being told to fire the special counsel. to me this looks like obstruction of justice, which is exactly what barr had told me in those questions. so i view this as an opportunity to really push him on what obstruction of justice is, why he answered the questions the way he did before and expect answers this week. >> i want to ask you about joe biden who entered the race. he had difficulty on the view yesterday explaining why he hadn't apologized earlier, why he hadn't called anita hill earlier and what he really feels about what happened during the claerns thomas hearings. let me play that for you. >> i think she wants you to say i'm sorry for the way i treated you, not for the way you were treated. >> i'm sorry the way she got treated. in terms of -- i never heard -- if you go back and look at what i said and didn't say, i don't think i treated her badly. >> he had the gavel. she was the chairman. he cutoff the hearings before

her witnesses could get on. what should he now say to anita hill? >> that's going to be joe biden's issue. let me just tell you my perspective. i was a young lawyer when this happened. and i remember being captivated by her, watching every moment of that hearing, never thinking i'd end up on the senate judiciary committee. it was actually the first letter i ever wrote to my senator. i wrote a letter saying i want you to wrote against clarence thomas. my senator ended up voting for thomas. but it motivated me to get involved in politics. now we go from zero women on that judiciary committee to six. >> let me ask you about what you were presenting in nevada yesterday, which is a retirement plan. how are you going to pay for this retirement plan? >> well, that's simple.

and the republican tax bill did so much to help the wealthy build up a trillion dollars in debt, all you have to do is make some changes to that and you have the money to ensure that 49 million americans who have no retirement right now, andrea, except for social security can start saving. we all it up savings accounts. it is a great idea. 50 cents for every hour someone works in an account that they can take with them no matter where they work, if they don't have a 401(k) where they can take out the first $2,500 for emergency expenses when we've got four out of ten americans that don't even have $400 for an emergency room bill. these are the things that i'm hearing out there when i am in nevada or when i am in new hampshire, iowa. it is the same focus. people need help in their every day lives. as we look ahead to this next week with the topic we just

discussed about the sanctity of our elections and about the mueller report, we have to remember we can do two things at once, we can present an agenda for the people of this country and still make sure we protect the law and protect the constitution. that's what it is about when you are representing america. and when i hear the president dissing the constitution and when i find out that he doesn't even stand up for our country because his homeland security secretary is afraid to go talk to him about russia, that is not standing up for the security of america. i will do that. >> thanks for being with us today. and joining me now is the chair of the homeland security in the senate, ron johnson of wisconsin who was with president trump last night. welcome back to "meet the press." i want to ask you first about the speech last night. the president referred to fbi officials as scum.

is that the right way for the president of the united states to speak about law enforcement officers of the u.s. government? >> well first of all, i completely understand the president's frustration. he knew from day one he was innocent and he was subjected to this two-year investigation, a very thorough investigation. and in that process, certainly andrew mccabe was fired because he lied to his own investigators. this is the former deputy director and acting fbi director lying to his own investigators. so, no, i understand the president's frustration. from my standpoint there has been a concerted effort since the day after the election to sabotage this investigation. i come mekocompletely understan frustrati frustration. >> do you think he should use words like scum? >> i would use different words. but i certainly question the possibly. now i think the proven fact there was definitely corruption levels at the highest levels of the fbi. that's one thing senator graham,

senator grassley and myself are going to try to uncover now that the mueller investigation is over. >> the mueller investigation showed hundreds of contacts with officials, no evidence that could be prosecuted, but partly because they were e-mails that were erased. there were people who were not available, they refused to be interviewed. they couldn't interview the president himself. are you comfortable with all of the context between this campaign and the russian officials? >> yes, i am because i read the report. it's painstakingly detailed and, you know, time and time again special counsel mueller said there was no evidence of collusion. and there was none. and again we have enormous challenges facing this nation, the crisis at the border. and this has been a huge distraction for the american public as well as this administration that tries to tackle these problems. >> he didn't say there was no evidence of collusion because that's not a legal term. he said he could not prove

conspiracy. but the president's lawyer said he thinks its okay for republican candidates to welcome support from a foreign advers y adversary, from russia. do you feel the same way? would you welcome support from russia in your campaign? >> no, and i don't believe the trump campaign did. so, again, from my standpoint, this issue is over in terms of collusion. now, i was one of the people briefed by the obama administration when we were told about russian interference. that was back in september to20. the whole point of that briefing in a secure situation was we have this covered. we want you to go out as members of the congress and say the elections results would be legitimate. that's what they wanted us to say. but then the wrong person got elected and all of a sudden we have this whole russian collusion story. it has been a big hoax. it's been a witch hunt, and i understand the president's frustration. >> mitt romney said i am sickened at the extent of

dishonesty by individuals in the highest office of the land, including the president. i am appalled that fellow citizens welcomed help from russ russia. that was after his read of the mueller report. why haven't you and other republican senators reacted as he reacted to the mueller report, especially on obstruction? >> maybe it is because i understand the president's frustration at being subjected to a witch hunt for two years. i was in rally yesterday. it was a record crowd filled with people who love this country and their support for president trump is actually growing. that's what i'm seeing. i'm seeing an economy grow by 2.3%. i'm seeing business investment at over 6% in the last two years of president obama it was 0.6%. that's going to drive our economy for years to come. so, again, i'm looking at the

results of this administration, and i also think about what we could have accomplished had this witch hunt not been occurring for the last two years. i understand the president's frustration. and i also understand the president's supporters' frustration of the media just continuing, continuing this witch hunt. it is ridiculous. >> let me play something chris ray said the other day, the fbi director. >> i do think that russia poses a very significant counter intelligence threat, certainly in the cyber arena. that is not just an election cycle threat. it's pretty much a 365 days a year threat, and that is absolutely continued. >> why haven't we heard that from the president? why does the president say he believes putin over his own intelligence officials? >> andrea, i am every bit as concerned about russian interference as any democrat

senator. i have seen the attempted cue no montenegro. so didn't surprise me at all they were interfering in our election. through social media is the primary cause. that's hard to really police. but in terms of changing vote totals, almost impossible because we have local control of elections. what is certainly a lly at risk voter files. dhs has done a good job to prevent that from happening as well. let's not blow this out of proportion. let's be vigilant and concerned about it. >> mick mulvaney, is chief of staff, made it clear mr. trump equated any discussion of russian activity with questions about the legitimacy of his victory. she coordinated a strategy to protect next year's election. if the president considers this

a top priority, why hasn't he ordered a government-wide cabinet level investigation and a tact to clear. >> they are on the case. it's just continued on into the trump administration. again, they had incredit blie high levels of contact with state jurisdiction. they have been consulting with local jurisdictio in terms of protecting their voter files. they have done a successful job. we didn't see that kind of interference in 2018. i think we can rest assured that 2020 will be as well. >> doesn't that go beyond dhs? doesn't it have to be all the cabinet departments working on this? >> dhs has the primary responsibility. they have done a pretty good job under chris krebs. >> thank you very much. thank you for being with us

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>> it's possible. i mean, we have roughly a year-long window for this to be worked out in terms of legalisms. i have to tell you, i think the polling you showed at the top of the show with a majority of americans not wanting to go towards impeachment, which i think implies the hearings and investigations -- >> let's show that. let's put it up one more time for people to see it. 56% saying they do not want impeachment. 37% say they do. and the democrats clearly divided. >> yes. but even more interesting, i think a majority or almost a majority said they didn't not want impeachment because they thought the president was telling the truth. they didn't think the president has told the truth. >> 58% said think they he lied. >> to me i think they got it exactly right. i would throw open the question, i understand the partisan politics of it. i understand the investigator

fervor going on in the house. what is curious to me is what exactly, if you devote the next six, nine months to more investigations and hearings are you looking to learn? you will get don mcgahn in, ask him what he said to the president, the president said to him. he'll say what he said in the mueller report. my thought is actually the mueller report did the work it had to do. over two years, 500 people questioned and interviewed, 40 investigators and fbi officials. oh my goodness, let everyone in america read it. they'll get the unredacted version soon. leave it alone. >> but will they? >> i hope they do and i think they pretty much will. but congress has a job to do now. you know, there is social security, immigration, et cetera. my goodness, work for the american people. sorry to give a speech there. >> let me show you what andrew

sullivan wrote in "new york magazine." if the president wantonly obstructs justice and the opposition party immediately worries about the political costs, we're in deep trouble. >> i have asked house democrats about those questions. why do you need to proceed forward and bring don mcgahn, corey lewandowski up and other people mentioned in the mueller report? they say they have to tell a story to the american people, have people put their hand in the air and narrate what they said because democrats don't believe the obstruction case has been fully made against president trump. but they do recognize, mostly privately, that there is a big political risk here. what is the appetite out there in the country? when i spoke to president trump this week, he believes he can make a political case against the democrats. they're spending far too much time on this. but it's a little bit nuanced. he said he hasn't made a final, final decision on asserting executive privilege. we saw this week with the security clearance process. the democrats are actually going to be able to bring someone up

to talk to house democrats about the security clearance process at the white house. >> that's the one exception. >> you know what that reveals? it reveals there is a negotiation going on. it's not totally black and white at this point in terms of the stand off behind the white house and congress. >> will the president pay any price for stone walling if he continues to object to most of the unredacted or the redacted version not being available to congress? >> here's the problem with the mueller report. for the president and his supporters, it is obvious that it was not a witch hunt. it was professional. it was thorough, and it was fair, and it does cast the administration in a negative light. however, for the president's opponent, the problem is similar, that the mueller report was fair, it was sober and it does not obviously provoke impeachment. so the way the administration handles these inquiries, these subpoenas, that's where the public could either support impeachment more or reject it more than we're seeing even today in these poll numbers.

that's kind of the squeeze, right? i saw this. john boehner went through this. paul ryan went through this. now nancy pelosi is going through it. the squeeze between centrists and the progressives, the 37%, the liberal democratic base, that does want impeachment to begin today, it's going to be interesting to watch the speaker navigate these waters. it has been in the early weeks. >> when we look at the republican senators, mitt romney is the only one that spoke up about the mueller report and all the evidence accumulated in the mueller report. and you have got lindsey graham as chairman of the judiciary committee saying he's not even saying he's going to let mueller testify. let me show you another lindsey graham, a different president, a different impeachment issue. >> you don't even have to be convicted of a crime to lose your job in this constitution republic. if this body determines that your conduct as a public official is clearly

out-of-bounds in your role. impeachment is not about punishment. impeachment is about cleansing the office. >> helene cooper? >> that's the sort of video which has been going around all week that makes people so skeptical and so disgusted with politics. i mean, that's why at the end of the day, this entire debate is all political theater. it is all about who is maneuvering to make sure that they look good. let's face it. it is already 2020. we're in an election year. this is the election cycle. the president's election cycle has begun. what you are seeing now is all about how do we maneuver ourselves? nancy pelosi trying to balance her progressives versus her more centrist democrats. you see on the republican side they want this mueller report to go away. >> you got to see the republican party today. that interview you did with senator johnson, he's using the word sabotage. president trump is using the word scum, coup.

if the house democrats choose to impeach, every senate republican source i have says that impeachment dies in the senate. a trial will never go forward. >> hasn't the president with the help of the attorney general branded this before the mueller report came out. for three weeks they went around saying exonerated, no collusion, no conspiracy. >> and then people got a look at the report and they saw it was a fairly dreadful portrait. i don't think it told us exactly things that we didn't know that were shocking. i think we had a sense of the reigning reality there in the white house. let me throw in, by the way, if the house moves to impeach and if it has big, serious, prolonged hearings, i think everybody assumes the president will really hate that. i think he's going to use that fact every day on tv. he's going to use it as a foil. he's going to be tweeting. he's going to be fighting. he's going to be playing the part of the besieged person. i think he will love it and

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and welcome back. former deputy attorney general sally yates is one of those figures who seems to show up at key moments in the trump presidency. in january of 2017, only days after the inaugural, yates told administration officials she believed michael flynn had lied to them about his contacts with the russian ambassador to the u.s., sergei kislyak. yates herself was fired as acting ag that samefor refusing to enforce president's trump's executive order from seven predominantly muslim country. the president cites yates who launched the phony fbi investigation. sally yates joins me now. welcome. good to see you. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to ask you about the president in wisconsin night referring to former fbi

officials who began this investigation as scum. >> yeah. you know, he's referred to them as scum. he's accused people of spying and, you know, i think those are words that we really shouldn't be throwing around about the men and women in law enforcement and in our intelligence community. >> the mueller report cites 140 contacts according to a tally in "the new york times," at least 140 contacts, including 13 from the president himself with russia during the campaign and afterwards in the transition. does this mean the president is completely exonerated, even though because of a lot of other issues not being able to interview the president, not being able to talk to a lot of the other witnesses, e-mails that were eliminated, there was no grounds for a prosecution. >> well, you know, if you read the entire mueller report, i think it paints a devastating portrait of a president and a campaign who welcomed a foreign

adversary's illegal interference in our election, who have been continually lying about it. and then used the power of the presidency to try to forward investigation into his own conduct. that's oo not exoneration. well, the report makes it clear that there was no exoneration on obstruction. but speaking first to the russian issue which you just raised, if not for the office of legal counsel prohibition against indicting a president, should there have been further steps? do you think that their effect on obstruction would have been an indictment? >> well, i have been a prosecutor for nearly 30 years. i can tell you i personally prosecuted obstruction cases on far, far less evidence than this. and, yes, i believe if he were not the president of the united states, he would likely be indicted on obstruction. >> if you were the ceo of the company, if you were a private citizen, the ten instances in

the obstruction part of the report would have led to an indictment. >> i'm not sure that all ten would. i think special counsel mueller did a fair job in going through all ten instances and laying out the facts that established that he had committed a crime of obstruction, but also pointing out the defenses, both legal and factual. but there are several incidents that he described to which special counsel mueller really couldn't point to significant or factual legal defenses. >> and which in particular do you cite as the most significant, the red flags that you see? >> well, the ones that he found that all three elements were satisfied were with respect to trying to fire robert mueller for don mcgahn, then trying to get don mcgahn to lie about it later. not just his own lies, but trying to get someone else to lie about it, too. and then trying to cabin the scope of the investigation to what's really nonsensical, to

campaign interference in future elections. >> do you think that if he is not re-elected and the statute of limitations does not run out until 2022 that he could be prosecuted after leaving office. >> the mueller respect references that, what could happen in the short term but also the long term whether he could be prosecuted. i think the bigger issue is not just whether or not this establishes a crime that can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but is this the kind of conduct that we should expect from the president of the united states? i mean rn, when the russians ca knocking at their door, you would expect that a man who likes to make a show of hugging the flag would have done the patriotic thing and would have notified law enforcement. >> in fact, his personal attorney rudy giuliani said on this program last week that

there is no problem with a candidate welcoming support from a foreign adversary such as russia. >> that's a shocking statement and it reflects how they have moved the goal post when the truth comes out. they constantly said we didn't have anything to do with rush hns. and when the truth comes out and reveals that's a lie, now we have devolved down to, there is nothing wrong from taking help, illegal help from a foreign adversary. surely that's not where we have come to. >> a lot of people think that robert mueller whiffed. he should have pushed the envelope and subpoenaed the president and forced the president to take the fifth if he wants to. >> well, look, it is easy to sit in armchairs and say what we would have done in those circumstances. i think what you see is that robert mueller did the job he was asked to do and he called it right down the middle. >> some legal experts looking at the mueller report look at the lines about donald trump jr.

saying that they wanted to interview him, were not able to and then the next portion is redacted according to grand jury testimony with that code. does that indicate to you as it has to some legal experts that don jr. may have gone in front of a grand jury and taken the fifth? >> you know, certainly people have speculated as to that. there is some indication of that, but i don't know for certain. but, you know, beyond that, it is absolutely remarkable to me that the president of the united states refused to sit down and answer questions about his or his campaign's involvement with the russians in the 2016 election or obstruction. >> going forward, we have the mueller report and now william barr threatening to not even appear before the house. that still has to be worked out. did the attorney general -- i know you don't want to speak about the successors in the justice department, but what about the fact that he misrepresented the mueller report in his initial four-page

summary and in his news conference referred to collusion four times, not a legal term, but a signal apparently to the president certainly taking the president's word and misrepresented it even minutes before the report itself was released. >> let me answer it this way is that the department of justice is not just another federal agency. and the attorney general is not the president's lawyer. and i recall when i was named united states attorney. we were all called to the white house for what was a photo op with president obama. he came in and the first words out of his mouth were i may have appointed you, but you don't represent me. you represent the people of the united states, and that's the way it's supposed to be. >> and your implication is it is not the way it is right now. >> welthanks for having me. >> new details on how democrats

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56% of people with a bachelors degree, 74% of people with advanced post graduate degrees all showing up to vote in november. to does that mean the democrats already have it in the bag for 2020? not so fast. midterm turnout is always lower than it is in a presidential year. and overall 2018 turnout was still eight percentage pointser than it was in 2016. president trump wasn't on the ballot in last year's midterms and you can bet the president's supporters will vote next year. the 2018 turnout numbers are a good sign or democrats. they offer no guarantees. when we come back with the most diverse roster of candidates, why are kevin, meet your father. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin

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and we're back now with end game. joe biden in, all in, and with that charlottesville video sheing he will campaign on character and contrast with donald trump, why is donald trump so worried about him? as early as last fall, trump was talking privately with aids about the threat biden posed. how are we going to beat biden. he was assured the moderate biden will never defeat several of his rivals. trump has pushed back, but what

if he does. >> the president believes vice president biden is a very formidable candidate. he talked to voter downs there, rank and file democrats. they say vice president biden was part of the obama administration. he was a very important part of that legacy. he has a real history in the democratic party. they're talking about senator harris. they're talking about vice president biden. this is a wide open race, but vice president biden has more political capital on the ground than he may get credit for on places like twitter. >> let's take a look at a poll today. joe biden is up there on the top. this may explain why the white house is focussed on it. bernie sanders 11%. kamala harris 4%, o'rourke 4%, all in single digits other than the top three. but peggy, look at the gender

issue. we've got three white men ahead of all the women and corey booker, a man of color, you know, the diverse field. and it's the white guys who are out front. >> yeah. it is the most diverse field ever, i think. when you look at the early polling, and it is early, it does come down to these figures like biden and bernie. it seems to me we are going to find out if joe biden's old school style honed in the '70s and '80s can translate into 2020, into this moment, and i also think because of past issues of his, there will be a sort of daily do you recant, mr. vice president? do you recant on this issue? and we're going to see him being pressed to recant on things he actually believes in, which would be uncomfortable. >> i think there are two types of candidates that pose the greatest threat to the president. one is a coalition type

candidate like biden. and another is a movement type candidate. the problem with biden is that he has started his campaign with an apology tour. and there are lessons to be learned from donald trump. bob and i were talking about this earlier. you could apologize for your mistakes. you should. but i don't think you should apologize for who you are. and i have seen a little bit of that from joe biden. and i don't think it's believable because i don't think anyone believes joe biden at 76 is a different person than he was ten years ago. >> he hasn't really apologized to anita hill. >> yeah. but i think that story will be gone in a week. this is something that people jumped on because the day that he opened his campaign they somehow ended up, found themselves talking about anita hill. but i don't think people are going to relitigate the clarence thomas hearing at this point in the game. that would be suicidal for the

democrats to do that now, to turn that sort of an issue into a negative for a democrat. and i think what you are seeing with biden -- nobody is going to win the democratic nomination if they cannot galvanize the african-american vote. joe biden freakishly can. ka kamala harris probably can. bernie sanders cannot. i think what you are seeing when you see this leap of biden straight to the top of polls is that, a lot of black people look at him as an obama guy. so i think you are going to see some of that kind of stuff solidify as we go -- as we move forward. i'm really curious to see what kamala harris does moving down the line. this was a job for bernie sanders in 2016. i think it's still going to be a problem for him. >> the funny thing about the age factor is that bernie sanders has more young people supporting him and he's older than joe

biden. but the president is trying to paint sleepy joe with all of these insults and playing on the age. the president is 72. joe biden is 76. >> i just feel like a young man. i'm so young. i am a young, vibrant man. >> if he looks young and vibrant compared to me, i should probably go home. >> this is the president who has had to ride in a golf cart at the g-7 in sicily. >> young or juvenile? young or juvenile? >> everything old is new again. that's part of the story of 2020. >> age, put that on a shelf. he has power inside of the republican party. also interesting this week, governor larry hogan goes to new hampshire. but when you talk to republican voters, they say they're almost 100% like senator johnson with the president. they're at these rallies.

any kind of primary challenge appears to be fizzling. >> that base is pretty solid, isn't it? >> i will say age isn't what it used to be. my dad is about to turn 80. he's in great shape. and trump and biden both make good candidates. >> we will have to leave it there. thank you all for watching. chuck will be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." many people living with diabetes

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the future of entertainment, sit down theaters or stand up action? plus, hearing voices. how computers are learning to understand what we say no matter how we say it. our reporters rich jaraslowski and mare abel lopez, this week on "press: here." good morning, everyone, i'm scott mcgrew. there is a debate in the entertainment world over the future of story telling, particularly in movies. is the future of movies the same as its past, putting images on the screen for