as a whole blend, it nourishes for 24-hour frizz control blended makes us better. whole blends. by garnier, naturally! plus, abortion bass wi

republ cheered challenges to roe v. wade. we'll stot sta we're also rising tensio why some say iran and they're in the united states. they take the first strike. we'll military strike joinin me for insight and analys are "washington post" column eugene robinson. formerócr homeland janet nepal

yoe. >> this is "meet the press with chucke to." >> good sunday morning once again. conven proved to be more conventional than wise. not long ago, the smarty pabts kroupd proclaimed the democratic party moved sharply to the left, bernie sanders was position to rnlg century joe biden should seriou consider not running for the nomination of the 21st centur version of the democr party. well, dafra difference reality might make. since entered the race, joe do. this the latest showing biden lappin sanders and crushing the rest of the field. look no further than the white . presid trump's near obsession with biden is much more likely a sign of fear than of confidence. all of which to say that democr party has not moved to left, it has.

i'll talk to bernie sanders in just amoment. let's acknowledge we may experi biden whiplash yet again. we haven't even had a debate, seen an attack ad or watched biden experience the gauntlet of the campaign trail on a daily basis. but what we're learning is that the progressive activist twitter verse doesn't reflect the larger democr universe. and for now, at least, biden is having >> you want to know the first and most important plan in my propos is? trump. at a kickoff philad joe biden leaned into the idea that he is the democr best positioned to beat donald trump. >> american people want a presid to add to our divisi lead with a clenched fist, a closed hand, a hard he demonize yourar opponent, to sp hatred. they don't need me. they've got, president donald trump. >> with a field of 24 candidates and counting, 2020 democrats are

jockeying to sell the perception of the electability. >> we're not waiting for ideas. what's missing is courage. >> i ought to beat donald trump. beat him 21 times in court. >> i know how to challenge this guy. been watching him his whole life. >> 73% of democrats call it extremely important that the democratic candidate for president can beat president trump. just 51% say it is extremely important the nominee shares their views on major issues. >> if trump is re-elected, the supreme court will be a nightmare for manyy generations toto come. >> that angst and biden attention is driving a number of 2020 contender to distance themselves from some of the more progressive ideas circulating like ending private insurance. >> that's not what i meant. i know it was interpreted that way. but, no. it does not get rid of

insurance. >> and r breaking up big tech companies. >> that l sounds like a donald trump thing to say. no.i' we need to create systems and processes. >> biden's rise in the polls has hisen opponents attempting cautious aim. >> joe biden is a good person and was a great vice president. i believe thatpr i'm a candidat for our time. >> it is time for the generation that fought in iraq and afghanistan to stepaf in for th generation that sent us there. >> it is not t the real world t think mitch mcconnellin is goin to embrace a global effort. >> that crime bill, it did contribute to mass incarceration in our country. >> while the progressive wing of the party sharpens their attacks. >> joeoe biden si. >> i will be damned if the same politicians who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need a

middle of the road approach to save our lives. >> bernien sanders who was the front runner before biden entered the race. >> i i disagree with many of th votes he cast. >> ie led the effort against those tradee agreements. joe v voted for them, the war i iraq. i voted against it, joe voted for it. >>me joining me now is senator bernie sanders of vermont. good to have you back, sir. let me start with something the former vice president said yesterday. he was talkingid about his clime change proposal. he said if you want to know what the first important plank is it was, get, beat trump. you have said if all the democrats do is focus on trump, you tlose. essentially biden b is saying, , no, no, no, it is all about trump. your reaction. >> i think democrats have got to do a couple of things. number one it goes without saying that we have got to

defeat donald trump, who in my view is the most dangerous president in the modern history of thispr country. he's's a pathological liar, a x sexist and a rapist. are talking about climate change, what the scientists tell us is that we have 12 years before irreparable damage is done to this. planet. you got to beat the fossil fuel industry. you have to take on all of those of the status quo who do not want to move this country to energy efficiency and sustainable ffenergies. chuck, what the scientists tell us is that the future of the planet is at stake. and we have a moral responsibility to make sure that our kids live and our grandchildren live in a a healt planet.table that means massive investments in wind, solar and so forth. so taking on trump, of course you got toum do that. >> right. >> but you need a real plan to transform our energy system.

>>er you have to win, right? and you have to, i think one of theu cases you have to make th democrats win. theth former head of the democratic party in pennsylvania, and i gather joe biden has a lot of support in pennsylvania. but he said this about you. he said i'm supremely confident bernie sanders could not win pennsylvania. many, manyop democrats in pennsylvania stick their fingers in their ears. tell us how you win pennsylvania? >> look, let me just say this o ed who i have known for many years and the entire democratic establishment. there are millions of people who are sick and tired of that democratic establishment. what ed should know is that a recent poll that came out had me eightt points ahead of trump in pennsylvania. we have had polls which have me way ahead of him in michigan and wisconsin and all over this country. the reason that my campaign can beat donald trump is we're going to create the kind of excitement

that weki need to bring out the large voter turnout. we're going to bring out young people, who not only are interested and are going to fight for real climate change, raise that minimum wage to $15 an hour, a fight i have been helping to lead. they want health care to all. theyey understand that is absur that young people should be leaving lcollege, 50, 60, $100,000 in debit. they wanttu criminal justice reform. want immigration reform. the truth is that our campaign, i think,, can generate that excitement. our generation can talk to some, some of the trump supporters who now knoww they were lied to whee trump said he was t going to provide health care to everybody and tried to throw 32 million people off the healthop care. i think we are the campaign that can beat donald trump. >> senator, i would argue you made a similar case against hillary clinton four years ago and you came up short. why do you think this time -- >> chuck, chuck -- >> i'm just saying --

>> chuck, met me just say. >> they seem to be gravitating toward joesh biden. >> we came. up short, yeah. we took on the entire democratic establishment. wewe took on the democratic national committee. we took on every democratic governor, every democratic mayor and we ended up winning 22 states and 13 million votes and in fact bringing forth an agenda that transformed the democratic party. four years ago people were not talking about the issues they're talking about now. so i understand that our campaign is unique in the sense that we gotin to try to win the democratic primary. we're going to try to beat trump. but you know what else we're going to trytr to do? we're going to try to transform the united states of america, deal withes this massive level incoming wealth and equality, deal with wall street, the greed of the drug companies and the insurance companies and the fossil fuel industry. our campaign has a different goal. it is toam transform this count, and we're taking on the entire

establishment when we do that, including ed. >> i want to focus a second on medicare for all. michael benedict believed that the 20lesson of 2010 was fix obamacare. i would likee you to take a listen to what he said earlier to me about that. >> now what democrats are saying is, if you like your insurance, we're going to take it away from you from 180 million people that get their insurance from their employer and like it. or 20 million americans who are on medicare advantage and love it. that seems like a bad opening offer for me. >> and, senator, i'm well aware that you believe that, look, you were in favor of obamacare, an it was not your first choice. but there is a lot of voters who voted to fix obamacare first and then look and see, okay, should it be something different. are youou obligated to fix obamacare first?

>> well, we're obligated to make sure that trump and the republicans do not throw tens of millions of t people off the health care that they currently are enjoying. but here is the point. the point is the current health care system is absolutely dysfunctional. you have 34 million without any health insurance. even more who are underinsured. elderly people can't afford dental care, eye glasses. we managed to spend twice as much and we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription rudrugs. i know the drug companies, the insurance companies will spend hundreds of millions of dollars including adsb on nbc attacking bernie sanders and medicare for all. the people support it very strongly. all we areyi saying is you have good program inn medicare. expand it to everybody. improve medicare for senior citizens. when we do that, we will provide comprehensive care to all people and do it by saving substantial

sums of money. >> under your plan, we're eliminating private insurance, correct? >> we are going to provide comprehensive health care to all people. and what you areo going to have is private insurance, if people want it, for supplementary type benefits, cosmetics and so forth. >> but everybody has the same baseline government health care. >> well, that government health care is whatre medicare is righ now. if you look atw. the polling, medicare is far more popular than private health insurance. peek like medicare. we have to expand it. >> what do you say to the people worried about the disruption? everybody hates their health care until you try to disrupt them t of their current system. >> well, i'm not so sure about that. but what i do know, what i do know is that there is massive disruption. one of the problems with the health care system right now is if your employer decides to get another insurance company, you may beur able -- you'll be losi

the doctor you currently go to or y have to pay a lot more to t it. every time somebody loses their job or an employer changes health insurance policy, there is disruption. when you haveac medicare for al you will finally have stability. everybody in the country will have comprehensive health care covering allve basic health car needs. we will savee taxpayers and the citizens of this country on health care substantial sums of money. >> i want to ask you about the big news in the state legislatures this week on the issue of abortion. simply this, will you have a litmus testt for judges on roe? it is pretty clear in 2020, no matter which side of the abortion issue you are on, it is going to be on the ballot. do you believe in that roe litmus test? >> look, i believe what they did in alabama is unbelievable. other states are doing it. the idea that women in this country should notot be able to control theirir own bodies is

beyond belief. they have that constitutional right. so if you are asking me would i ever appoint a supreme court justice who does not believe in defending roe v. wade, who does not believe that a woman has a right to control her body, i will never do that. >> is there any restrictions -- do you believe there should be anyy restrictions on abortion i law? >> i think that that is a decision that is being made -- that should be made by the woman in her position. i think manyic of -- you know, what people areeo doing is creating a political issue out of a o medical issue. so the decision about women should be ablesi to control the own body and those decisions are made by a doctor. >> are you at all concerned about this idea that people ma try to worry about the sex of a child or essentially look at that -- >> yeah. >> are those type of restrictions on abortion something you are open to?

>> i wouldn't use it as a restriction. that's ann issue that society hs got to deal with, and it is a concern. >> how would you deal with that in thein law? >> i don't know how at this particular point i would deal with isit. but that is an issue that we have to deal with. >> i want to move to some foreign policy as "the new york times" spent a lot of time talking about your trips to central america. i know youi got pretty worked u about those things. i think the larger question -- >> well. >> let me just frame the question this way. if you are the nominee, whether you like it or not, the right is going to basically hammer and sickle you to death. do you prevent it? >> well, i don't mind the right wing doing it. but i understand they will do it. i. don't want the media to do i. when i was a young man, i plead guilty. i worked hard as a young man against the war in vietnam. i don't apologize for that. as a member of the united states house, i helped lead the effort

against thehe war in iraq, whic turns out to have been the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern historyd of the united states. as a senator,at i led the effor to t pass a bipartisan resoluti to get america out of the war in yemen led by saudi arabia, which -- and i got to tell you something, chuck. guys pay attention to yemen. what's going on in yemen now is the worst humanitarian disaste in the world. we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, children, dying. and i'm doing my best to get the u.s. out of that war. and if trump wants to go to war in iran, that will make the war in iraq look like a cake walk. it will make it -- so we have got too do everything we can to stop that. if people wanto to attack me because i thinkat that war shou be the last resort, you can attack me. but i have seen too much horror. i was the chairman of the senate committee on foreigni affairs. i talked to too many veterans whose lives were destroyed by the war in iraq.

i will do everything i can to see problems solved diplomatically. >> on the issue of the u.s. embassy in jerusalem, would you move it back out of jer sue , it it was a way to get a peace deal. >> yeah. the answer is, look, whether it is iran and saudi arabia, israel and the palestinians, the united states needs to bring people together, needs an even handed policy. and saudi arabia, for example, per decades we have supported a rouse regime which fights democracy every single day. i wanten an even handed policy which brings people together. >> would you move the embassy now out of jerusalem. >> well, we'll take that one step att a time. it is .something, you know, bottom line is we need to be a -- we are the most powerful country on earth.

let's bring people together and try to bring peace. >> youti find out humanitarian problems all the time. how would you deal with china and the muslims. i guessar they're calling it reeducating. how do you hold china accountable for that without wrecking the economy. >> well, i don't think you have to wreck the economy to tell china that you cannot have the equivalent of almost concentration camps. look, veryte sadly under donald trump we haveld moved in exactl the wrong e way. heon supports awe thorntarian governments all over the world. i believe we have to support democracy and human rights. i think china is an important part. we havee to deal with trade issues. but it should be known we cannot allow -- w we have to stand up d oppose governments that are doing terrible things to minorities. >> iss humanitarian reasons a reason to use military force? that's what we did in kosovo and

bosnia. >> obviouslyou you have to lookt case by case. if you areev talking about the need to prevent genoside, yeah, i guess so. >> we got to a lot, and i hope we see you more often than we have in the last year. thanks for being on and sharing your views. when we come back, the democratic race and thewh numbe thatd should have president trup concerned. panelists next. ld have president concer the pa my ideal cloud? it has to work like air traffic control. it's gotta let new data integrate with data from our existing systems. ♪ ♪ be able to pull from reservation platforms built 20 years ago. and also be able to use apps to book super-personalized trips on shiny new phones from the future. plus, i need freedom to move my workloads wherever, whenever - but manage it all from right here. and that's the cloud i want. simple, right? expect more from your cloud. ibm cloud.

(driver) relax, it's just a bug. that's not a bug, that's not a bug! (burke) hit and drone. seen it, covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. (alarm beeping)

welcome to our busy world. where we all want more energy. but with less carbon footprint. that's why, at bp, we're working to make energy that's cleaner and better. we're producing cleaner-burning natural gas. and solar and wind power. and wherever your day takes you... we have advanced fuels for a better commute. and we're developing ultra-fast-charging technology for evs.. at bp, we see possibilities everywhere. so we can all keep advancing. eugene robinson, university of califo system janet nepala and author of "how safe are we" and rich lowry, editor of national review. welcom everybody.

nice to see you on this coast. >> i guess it's good to be back. >> let me start with a couple of pieces of conventiona wisdom that might be exploding before our eyes. first i want to put up the fox news poll. there is an interesting number here. first of all, it shows biden with a double digits lead. then look at the matchups and then the trump number. do you see a pattern there? sander 46-41. harris 41-41. and he can lead somebody but 41. i'm trying to figure out which conven wisdom is more inaccu that j biden can't get the nomina or that president trump is underrate the as a candid someti think we overrate the president's stance because of 16. >> yeah. i mean, but how can you not factor that in? i woul expect him -- unless the democr have poise in this nomina process or pick a carolo candidate to be running behind from the outside of the genera election race, on biden,

hook, i confess, i totally undere his strength. i overestimate the power of the left. maybe surprising, i'm a conser pundit i would get that wrong and expect that i would get that wrong. a lot of the democratic field got it wrong. and may now be mispositioned to of the democratic party. >> eugene, it does seem as if a lot of democrats spent too much time on twitter. >> yeah, some people -- >> they do. twitte is -- the twitter verse is not the universe. and it's more to the left. the conventiona wisdom on twitte and in sort of political circles was that b too conser he wou have a hard time. got to bought that because there is a larger democratic party. for one thing, you have to get suppor from african-americans. you ha to get support if latino you ha to get a lot of voters who are not -- some of whom are

fairly socially conservativ and who are, you know, kind of the salt of the earth types that you don't associate with, you know, the most left progressive polici necessarily. so my answer is let's see what happen when biden came in. i have been surprised at the size of his early lead. it is impressive. >> impressive. >> janet, you live and breathe the california world. and sometimes peop uc berkel bay area you live in your own bubble. i'm curious. this is joe biden's message to all democrats yesterday. i want to play a piece of it. >> our president is the divider in chief. trump inherited a economy from obama- administration that was given to him, just like he inheri everything else in his life. want to know what the fir and most important plafrpg in .

>> that going to carry? i think of the bay area. people you interact with, are they pragmatic right now about biden or are they, like, no, we like our camilla harris or we want to see a more diverse debate >> obviously senator hair ve harris is very popular in califo vice p biden will make a seriou there. and be i was in california and d.c., i was the governor of arizon and democratic politics play a bit differently there than on the coast. so i'm not surprised that vice presid biden has come out of the gates so strongly. becaus i do believe that within the democratic party there is a core -- a core of what i think of pragmatic progressive who want the country to be working in a more united fashion, than a very conscious and supportive of civil rights, of human rights and women's rights. but ar also kind of skeptical

of some of the ideas coming from the fa >> hei sitting here and if you're not bride enoid bernie do do you? >> the conventiona wisdom is attack biden. that doesn't seem to be working. maybe what needs to be shahappen is win that second tier field. possib you're seeing the other candid peel off support from bernie what's happening to bernie is that his base of support from 2016 which, by the way, was never really as massive as people thought it because we ts here. we wer no the talking about the democr primary vote. but that is now spread out. and that is why it's hard for any single one of the candidates to emerge as a viable threat to joe biden. if you watch his campaign speech launch he's running a general electi strategy here. he was only focused on trump. he made a specific pledge that

am not going to go after any of the democrats. he was to will about aance by saying, look, i'm not going to allow anyone to walk all over me. but i think that people are tired of the name calling. they'r tired of the divisi i'm ready for a bare knuckle fight. but i'm not going to stoop to that level. i'm not going to alienate some of the pragmatic republican modera as well. i want a government that works again. i think that is a general electi strategy. >> biden's announcement video and thspeech, this is not clic. work together, unity, america is an idea. trump very rarely talks in those terms and a lot of the other democr candidates were consum with making more fundam critique of america. fwhut is a big caveat i still have. when ever have we elected the elder statesman promising a restor i thin fresh and in you is still the threat to him not necess left.

>> and gene, the only thing i trappe in the past. we know how things work before. we never had donald trum as presid we have no idea how this impact >> you always fight the last electi right? not the one that is am coulding up. and so, no, we have no idea how, you know, how really to run agains donald trump. you know, what is going to work or not work against him? we don't know. we have some idea of how the presid will campaign. but we -- this is -- we're in unchar territory. >> does it matter if sanders ca carry arizona? should be thinking about that as much as they think about medica all? >> absolutely. i think the democratic party think of the whole country. but there are states in the rocky mountain west and arizona and new mexico and colorado is turnin safely blue.

but even in nevada, you know, there are a lot of electoral colleg votes in those states. and trump won arizona by 3, 3 1/2 points. >> can bernie sanders carry it? >> that's a more difficult questi i think arizona democrats tend to the more conservativ side of using spectrum. >> all right. we'll pause it here. when we come back, iran, aborti debate, and a republ congressman saying presid trump engaged in impeac conduct. now i'll talk to a republican now i'll talk to a republican plants capture co2. what if other kinds of plants captured it too? if these industrial plants had technology that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. carbon capture is important technology - and experts agree. that's why we're working on ways to improve it. so plants... can be a little more...

like plants. ♪ and i recently had hi, ia heart attack. it changed my life. but i'm a survivor. after my heart attack, my doctor prescribed brilinta. it's for people who have been hospitalized for a heart attack. brilinta is taken with a low-dose aspirin. no more than 100 milligrams as it affects how well brilinta works. brilinta helps keep platelets from sticking together and forming a clot. in a clinical study, brilinta worked better than plavix. brilinta reduced the chance of having another heart attack... ...or dying from one. don't stop taking brilinta without talking to your doctor, since stopping it too soon increases your risk of clots in your stent, heart attack, stroke, and even death. brilinta may cause bruising or bleeding more easily, or serious, sometimes fatal bleeding. don't take brilinta if you have bleeding, like stomach ulcers, a history of bleeding in the brain, or severe liver problems. slow heart rhythm has been reported. tell your doctor about bleeding new or unexpected shortness of breath any planned surgery, and all medicines you take. if you recently had a heart attack, ask your doctor if brilinta is right for you. my heart is worth brilinta.

if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. kevin, meet yourkeviner. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how's your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. welcome back. republicans this week found themselves divided on a couple h

ish yous. and second republicans in washington seem to be deeply reluctant to embrace the anti-abortion measures passed by a number of states, particularly the one in alabama. senator cotton is the author of a new book about my favorite place to go here in washington, "a sacred duty." welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thanks for having me on, chuck. >> i want to talk about it a little bit at the end. but let me start with the abortion debate because you took your constitutional law. you went to harvard law. the question really is when do you believe a fetus has constitutional rights? >> chuck, like a lot of folks here in arkansas, i'm pro life. i think a basic responsibility

of government in a civilized society is to protect innocent life. i know that that's a passionate question on both sides, one of the problems of having unelected judges in washington make that for us as a nation is that you can't have space for democratic debate where you can reach consensus to find a common ground. i think that's unfortunate. but i think what i'm most proud of here in arkansas is we have recognized the frontiers of medical science are being pushed back so doctors are saving the lives of babies born in this state. i think that's the common ground we can look for when unelected judges are setting the basic rules on this very passionate issue. >> you yourself must have an opinion on this. when does a fetus have constitutional rights in your mind? >> chuck, what i want to try to find in this debate is an area where we can agree on what we should do in a civilized society. if a baby can survive outside of

its mothers womb in the nicu at 22, 20 weeks, then we should protect that life. i know there is divisive issues and debates. we proposed legislation that would have said if a baby is born during an attempted abortion that baby has the right to live and the right to medical care just like any other person does. every democrat running for senator voted against that law, one of the most extreme votes i have seen cast in my four years in the senate. >> you have at one time sponsored a bill that wanted to declare that life began at conception. you did that in the house. but you do not support a similar bill that senator rand paul introduced. why the change? >> chuck, i haven't reviewed senator paul's bill. that's the standard that most republicans who have held the presidency in modern times held as well.

they understand there are certain tragic cases like rape or incest or when a mother's life is in danger. but i believe life begins at inception. as long as we have unelected judges making the rules, we should try to find ways to protect the most innocent lives that can survive. >> is it hard to make the -- if you believe that life begins at conception, how do you justify an exception for rape and insist? >> chebecause we live in a democratic society. i recognize not everyone shares my views. that's why i say that one of the major problems of having unelected judges make these kind of decisions is we don't have the ability to make those democratic debates, have an open and frank conversation without playing within the guard rails that unelected judges from put up in this country. states are going to make different decisions.

new york state earlier this year adopted an extreme abortion law that would alaw abortion almost up to the point of delivery. some politicians in virginia proposed ev ed euthanizing chil born during an attempted abortion. >> should this be a political decision or a medical decision? should this be -- should you guys be getting a panel of medical doctors to decide, okay, this is when a fetus is viable? should this be decided by medical professionals and not by frankly you or i went to medical school. >> chuck, medical science of course informs these decisions, but ultimately these are moral questions. but medical science is advancing.

10 or 15 years ago, a child born at 22 or 20 weeks might not have been able to survive. as the progress advances, that informs our debate. it is true from the other perspective as well. we have horrific practices such as screening for abortion or people who may want to select for a male child instead of a female child or who look for various kinds of genetic effects or indicators or may want to abort those children. >> do you want roe completely over turned or do you want it done in such a way that there is a basic protection? you talked about a democratic process. it is nearly two to one in the exit poll in 2018 of folks favoring keeping roe as is. >> chuck, technically, it is planned parenthood v casey.

i think those issues were wrongly decided. i think these are decisions that the american people ought to make through their elected representatives. people will make decisions with democratic legitimacy as some of the centers in planned parenthood. yet, they are available for democratic debate. if people of differing viewpoints through their elected representatives can make these decisions informed by all the relevant facts. >> let me move to iran. i want to play something that senator king said about the intelligence that he has seen regarding iran. he said this earlier this week. i want to get you to respond to it. >> i don't think there is faulty intel here necessarily. i think the intel may be accurate. but the unanswered question again is are they reacting to our assertions of action in the middle east or are we reacting to them? that's an unanswered question for me. >> do you concede that the intelligence may be that folks are interpreting it maybe they

want to interpret it? >> so, chuck, i have read the intelligence not just of the last two weeks but of the last four and a half years. the intensity and frequency of this reporting is significantly heightened over the last two or three weeks. i don't have any doubts that iran started taking provocative action two or three weeks ago. the united states on the recommendation of our military made prudent decisions like deploying to the region. we didn't do those to prepare. we did those things to deter military action by iran. >> do you think the president should -- he wants to sit down with and debate this. >> we're focussed on trying to deter military action in the region. that's not very fruitful conditions for sitting down with any foreign leader. iran is an outlaw regime.

you know, that war is getting hot at times. in the 1980s and the iraq war. they have the blood of over 500 dead americans on their hands. some of those americans as i wrote without in sake let duty would be buried in arlington national cemetery. >> why do you think an iran war would be as easy as you seem to describe? i mean, the last strike, there was a lot of that talk about iraq. and obviously that turned out to be not so easy. >> well, chuck, the whole range of military options that our department of defense provides the president that range from the military strikes we have taken twice against syria under president trump to what you saw in iraq. no one, to my knowledge, is proposing what you saw in iraq with troops to invade and govern 80 iranians.

we'd like them to be able to live in a normal country. >> so you are not advocating regime change? >> we'd like to see the regime change the behavior. but my point about the first strike and the last strike is the united states is not going to take the first strike here. but if iran attacks the united states or our allies in the first strike, then it will be up to america in a time and manner of our choosing to take the last strike because our military will devastate theirs. >> before i let you go, "sacred duty," tell me one place if you have not been to, one part of arlington national cemetery they might not have seen that they should see. >> well, chuck, every headstone in arlington tells a story. as i write about, provides the honors to our fallen heroes. it was an honor for me to serve there. if you really want to see a living testament to the heroism

of our soldier, sailors, airmen, marines and coast guardmen, go to section 60 where young men and women are buried. it is unusual with so many visitors, family members, so many friends and momentos. it can be sad. even though i know it is called the saddest day for america, i prefer to think of it as the noblest day in america because it represents the very best among us. >> i find walking arlington national cemetery inspirational. that's for sure. thanks for coming on and sharing your views, sure. when we come back, why some voters hurt by the trade war with china are still likely to support president this is decision tech. it's screening technology that helps you find a stock based on what's trending

or an investing goal. it's real-time insights and information, in your own customized view of the market. it's smarter trading technology, for smarter trading decisions. and it's only from fidelity. open an account with no minimums today. and it's only from fidelity. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i was relentless first. relentless about learning the first song we ever danced to. about teaching him to put others first. about helping her raise her first child. and when i was first diagnosed, my choice was everyday verzenio. it's the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. it gives us more time without cancer progressing. verzenio is the only cdk4 & 6 inhibitor

approved with hormonal therapy that can be taken every day for postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- mbc. diarrhea is common, may be severe, or cause dehydration or infection. before taking verzenio, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection. verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. serious liver problems can occur. symptoms include tiredness, appetite loss, stomach pain, and bleeding or bruising. blood clots that can lead to death have occurred. tell your doctor if you have pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain, rapid breathing or heart rate, or if you are pregnant, nursing, or plan to be pregnant. common side effects include nausea, infections, low blood cells and platelets, decreased appetite, headache, abdominal pain, tiredness, vomiting, and hair thinning or loss. my relentless reason: it's them. my choice with my doctor: it's verzenio. ask your doctor if everyday verzenio is right for your first treatment.

the war escalated this week when he increased tariffs on goods imported from china. well, president xi responded with tariffs of his own and the chines tariffs hit a very specif states politically that could be impacted in 2020. on the top ten states that will agricu tariffs, eight of them voted for president trump . which on the surface would be bad news for the president in 2020. and while he could lose support in places like indiana or kansas these states are not likely to switch from red to blue. in fact, because these voters suppor the president, they may be more willing to take pain if it means pushing back against china. keep eye on the senate races, especi in places like iowa and texas which could also take a hit from these tariffs. now not all red states are

created equal whic differ story when it comes to auto tariffs. this week the pres delayed hikes on auto tariffs by six months why? well, just look at where many of these autoworkers live. it's states like wisconsin, michig and pennsylvania presid trump won each of these formerly democratic states by tiny margins. very little room for error. lose a few voters who don't like the president's trade policy and presid trump will likely lose those states and the election overal look, president trump seems genuin do believe that trade wars a winnable and that tariff are a weapon and an answer but so far he's been careful to make sure those tariffs don't fall where they could hurt him the most in the electoral colleg and as we go to break, we want to announce our th annual "meet press" film festival in collaboration with afi. here's what we're looking for. the best short form docume there are which will b showcased in october

right here in washington. you can find out more inform at afi.org or at meetth especially if you're a filmmaker ready to submit when we come back, end game. the new restrictive abortion the new restrictive abortion laws mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz xr, a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. it can reduce pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened. as have tears in the stomach or intestines, serious allergic reactions, low blood cell counts, higher liver tests and cholesterol levels. don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. your doctor should perform blood tests before and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests.

tell your doctor if you've been somewhere fungal infections are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. don't let another morning go by without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands?

remember the way we used to do things? hey man... like connect with friends? dig it! or get in shape? or sell a house and pay a real estate agent a big commission. [crash] at redfin, we charge you a 1% listing fee. and because redfin.com is america's #1 brokerage site our agents get more eyes on your home so you sell for thousands more than the one next door. don't get stuck in the past. sell with a redfin agent.

as we democrats don't like when the debate is about late term abortions and republ don't like when it and debate here is republican reaction to . take listen. >> it goes further than i believ yes. >> there is no exception for rape or incest. it's an extreme law. it will b. you know? and so forth. >> yes. senato richard shelby there from alabama.

when h was a democrat, he actual supported and enacted the se abortion. now he is pro-life as a republ in alabama. where is this headed? >> i think that you see so many republ responding this way. it was not just shelby. it was mccarthy and mcdonald and the president. they understand this could fundam change the balance of passions in the culture wars in this country. chuck, i covered the women's marchnpr i also covered moderate republ women who believed that trump would never be a threat to abortion rights. while these laws that are passin are not just passing in one state, they're passing in multip states with no except for rape and incest. it is not just alabama. i think this is a potential for democr to reach out to these modera who by the way, a number of them actually did vote for democrats in the 2018 midter elections. but for moderate women, this is going be an issue for sure

especi if the laws keep pushin the envelope even if they d make it to the supremcourt. so man of them are so similar. >> rich, democrats are going to in the tv ads. >> i think any lon moveme for social and moral reform has to strike a balance betwee purity and prague m i think the heartbeat laws perfor educative function and just driving home how early a fetal heartbeat is detectible. so the pro-life movement since the supreme court has basically shut down democratic delibe on this issue for time being has to be about public persuasion. i thin help. alabam doesn't. >> where are you on this? >> you know, i think, rich, i agree with you. i think the alabama bill is obviou extreme. it was designed to get to the suprem and get there

rapidl so if it ultimately gets to that court the interaction betwee the court's calendar and electi calendar is going to be very interesting. and i also agree with you. i think this is an issue that for the pro-choice side has never had the kind of urgency as it has passion as it has on the anti-cside. but this could flip that. and for the life of me, i do not unders why you wouldn't even have a xrepexc for rape or incest >> they didn't fire up the left. it is one of these things that the right is so laser focus on in the grassroots in particular that it hasn't -- is the idea of roe on the ballot, does it -- >> i think the alabama law now

is such a political misfire becaus number one, i'm not at all convinced the supreme court could even take up this case. i think it's going to be struck down in the district court level that the same result at the appeal court level. not sure th would even grant cert on this extrem and this gives something, a focal point for abortion right suppor to vote on. it's a iconic sort of thing. no exceptions, no nothing. it was interesting hearing senato cotton say unelected judges shouldn't be making these decisi infact, what is the altern there is no consensus on aborti in this country. i don't think there is going to be. there' no morally consistent comproposition zbhch. >> i get the sense that democr candidates don't want aborti to be front and center but it's going to be. i don't

it or plan for it to be, watch what happened within the past 48 hours. they'r denouncing this, especi for the women candid that haven't had as strong a spotlight on them in this cycle. i think this is an opportunity for them to distinguish themse a little bit and, chuck, i think there is a broade framing here opportunity for democrats about what is pro-li what is pro momma? what is pro baby? the same states passing the strict abortion laws also have some of the country's highest infant and maternal mortality rates. >> all right. i have to leave it there. before go, i want to take note of our friends at date line are launching 13 alibis, a series about producer dan's two year investigation convic murderer serving 20 years in a prison for a crime he said he didn't commit. you can get it where you get your podcast. that's all we have for today. thank for watching. we'll be back next week. becaus if it's sunday, it' "meet

it was a wicked weather weekend for millions with dozens of tornadoes touching down the day ahead is looking downright dangerous. >> an 8-year-old girl kidnapped while she was with her mother is found. we'll talk to those involved >> a trooper's squad car leading people on a high speed chase reaching up to 150 miles per hour >> a republican congressman makes the case for impeachment of president trump >> a program that pays ex-gang members to go to college >> a billionaire who wiped out college