this sunday articles of impeachment. >> mr. chairman, there are 23 ayes and 17 nos. >> democrats approve charges that president trump abused his power and obstructed congress. >> today is a solemn, sad day. >> thafter days adebate and acriminal money. >> it's not just an attack on the pretty. it's an attack on us. >> c'mon, get real, be serious him we know exactly what happened here. >> mr. trump denounces a vote with a warning. >> some day there will be a democrat president and there will be a republican house and i suspect they will remember it. >> my guest this morning, republican senator pat toomey of

pennsylvania. plus impeachment and the voters. >> have you earned the benefit of the doubt? >> he squandered it so often it's unlikely. >> i don't think this is shaking the pillars of democracy such that it warrants impeachment. >> the nbc news county to county project, voters if grand rapids michigan, talk about impeachment is or is not impacting their vote for president. also, boris johnson landside victory. >> we did it. we did it. we pulled it off, didn't we? >> are there warning science anç labor's crushing defeat if britain for democrats in america in 2020? joining me for insight and analysis are peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the "new york times". danielle pled ka, the american -- pletka. and h heidi pryzbilla, nbc nuew

anchor. good sunday morning, consider this, only the fourth time in american history a president of the united states is facing impeachment. our national response has been, whatever. everything that's happened. the house announcing two articles of impeachment against president trump. the president is joined by the attorney general, even after the bureau was cleared by the political bias, president trump that same day meeting with russia's foreignç minister finally the house judiciary committee voting to send it to the vote this week. all of us felt so strangely normal as is what's about to happen. the house is all but to impeachment platform and the senate is surely going to acquit him. as they gather for a collective shoulder shrug. it leaves us to believe if we have been outraged or shocked anymore.

no what's what happens is donald trump will never be president forever. the question is, what will we as a nation look like when we come out of this other side of this drama. >> mr. chairman, there are 23 aye, 17 nos. >> the article the agreed to. >> after a week of contentious debate. >> this is a travesty and a sham from day one. >> no president is supposed to be a dictator. >> of predictable results. >> the house judiciary committee voted articles of impeachment against the president for obstruction of congress and abuse of power. >> now both parties like to make it clear they want to vote and move on. >> defense, spending in there the budget for the whole year. >> robo-calls. >> in the house, democrats have sandwiched-and-an impeachment vote on wednesday between funding the government and passing a revised u.s.-mexico canada trade agreement. democrats are running ads defending vulnerable members on anything but impeachment.

>> maxwell noes you have to fight like -- to make these better. >> and choosing to let every member vote their conscience rather than whipping votes. >> i haven't decide. this has been a busy week in washington. >> to fight for education and healthcare, that's where i have been spending my time. >> the president nursing resentment about his inevitable impeachment, set a record this week, tweeting more than 400 times. 1 fwoe tweets on thursday alone. senate leaders are making it clear the trial planned for january will be brief. >> you can certainly make a case forç making it short rather th longer since it's such a weak case sflo this thi case. >> this thing will come to the senate and it will die quick. >> i've heard rick rich, iç hed

lindsay, i'll do whatever they want to do. it doesn't that's. >> with a senate acquittal almost guaranteed, what will the political after math look like? this impeachment debate lateral rallied most of the party behind the president, forcing swing republicans to borrow his language. >> this is a ham? this the a sham. >> much of this is a sham. >> on the senate side the vulnerable republicans have been able stay silent so far. meanwhile, swing state democrats are using the same language they used in 2018. >> i'll stand with the president and in effect to the president when he does something right, but i'll stand up to him when he does something wrong. >> and the president's 2020 opponents are weighing how to capitalize on that democratic base anger while offering a vision for something other than trump to the rest of the country. >> how is my life going to be different if are you president versus the others? our message is preparing for america after trump. >> joining me is senator chris

coons of delaware. welcome back to meet the press. >> thanks, chuck, good to be with you. >> let me start with what you'd like to see from a senate trial. but try to address it this way. it feels like to many american, we know what the outcome is going to be and, in fact, it feels as if the process in some ways, the leaders in capitol hill, both on the house democratic side and the senate republican side have decided to try to shorten everything, right, shorten the investigation process, shorten the trial. where does that leave us? >> well, chuck, that's a great question. what needs to happen next now that it's clear the house is going to vote out two articles of impeachment and we will likely for only the third time in our history have president trump on trial in front of the senate early next year. majority leader mcconnell needs to sit down with majority leader

to decide what the trial will be. the american people need truth not a the ter. we all know what would constitute a serious and open trial. in the house we saw lots of evidence, witnesses and documents that supported the charges against the president. and the president really stonewalls making any defensive case. those of us who will be sitting as jurors owe it to history to keep an open mind and if theç president participates to give am chance to make his kamts but it has to start with senators mcconnell and schumer sitting down and beginning a real bipartisan negotiation about what rules will govern this trial. >> let me play for you something senator mcconnell said. he said he is working, he's not negotiating with senator schumer but with lawyers at the white house. let me play the byte right now. >> çwelling exactly how we go forward, i'm going to coordinate with the president's lawyers, so there won't be any difference between us on how to do this we all know how it's going to end.

>> do you see any problem with mitch mcconnell coordinateing with the president's lawyers? >> well, i certainly think what he should start by doing is show the american people in history this is a serious trial. try to imagine a typical trial in a typical courtroom where the person who is the foreman of the jury is literally talking to the defendant's attorneys day in and day out. i just think in the best interest of the senate and of the american people. >> yeah. >> what we need here is a small number four or more of republican senators who go to majority leader mcconnell and say, instead of simply coordinating with president trump, you should wok across the aisle, try and get unanimity has happened in the bill clinton trial as to the trial going forward. >> are you comfortable with a trial and no witnesses? >> look, there is lots of evidence presented in the house. i think this is something that

ought to be worked out between the parties and schumer and mcconnell should come to an agreement. if it's dismissed on the first day, obviously, that's not a full and fair trial. >> yeah. >> but the details, that ought to be up to the majority and minority. you know, chuck, i really miss the voice of john mccain in these moments. he was the sort of senator who was able to call his colleagues to call our national country over party. >> politics has become so tribal now. think of this you have a democratic member of congress who may switch party it may be because he couldn't politically survive in the democratic party by opposing impeachment. is that -- what does that tell you? should the democratic party be a big enough tent that you can vote against impeachment and stay a good standing member of theç democratic party or not? >> well, i do think we need to have a wider aperture for our politics in america and less

security tests. but that particular case in someone who is under water as you referenced by i think 26 points among his own constituency among the democrats in his district, it's a very conserve tiver district. i do think that leader pelosi wouldn't be moving forward with impeachment if president trump had forced her hand by committing an unprecedented and striking act of dangling military aid over a vulnerable ally to try and get out dirt on his strongest political opponent and whether or not one or two members of the house caucus vote against it, i think it will come out of the house with an overchemwhelming vote. >> let me ask you this, do you think it's an odd picture to paint, if you are impeaching the president of the united states you believe he is an existential threat to the public to the constitution and literally the next hour you can cutting a deal with him on usmca and nafta 2.0ç is that sending a mixed message

to the country? >> well, what i hear up and down the state of delaware as i've down town halls this year is that folks expect me to remain a principle democrat to stand by the core principles that i ran on when i first ran for office? but to also work across the aisle and to try and get things done, to try and pass laws that deal with the kitchen table issues that affect most americans, whether it's high prescription drug prices or gun violence, threatening our kids at school or the opioid crisis. and the fact that we are able to continue legislating together i think is encouraging to the average american. >> let me ask you this, kyle cheney politico wrote the following. what happens when a remorseless president commits the same behavior that got him impeefd only this time after the house has already deployed the most potent weapon in its arsenal? >> that's one of my real concerns, chuck. the only reason that speaker

pelosi changed her position and supported moving ahead with an impeachment inquiry is because of what donald trump is alleged to have done and all evidence points to him having done it, which is to invite foreign interference in our next election undermines the very core of our democracy, which the is free and fairç elections whe foreign parties aren't influencing the outcome. if he is ultimately exonerated in the senate. if the senate republican majority refuses to discipline him through impeachment, he will be unbounded and i am gravely concerned about what else he might do between now and the 2020 election when there are no restrictions on his behavior. >> before i let you go, what lessons do you take from labor's crushing defeat in the uk? >> well, you know, we have a lot in common. language, culture, legal systems, but we are different countries. but i do think it shows that an electorate even in this difficult and divide time is looking for a concrete and clear

plans that they think are achievable and actable and labor got just too far out to gain the support of the majority of britain. i do think that's a cautionary note. that's why i continue to support joe biden who i think is our most promising democratic can the for president. >> senator chris coons, joe biden's home state as you mentioned there, thanks for coming on and sharing your views. i appreciate it. >> thank you, chuck. joining me from the other side of the aisle, a neighboring state, senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> good morning, chuck. good to see. >> you i primarily want to talk about china trade and usmca. let me ask you about the length of the trial. a i proeappropriate for senator mcconnell on working with the president's leaders? >> i think it's appropriate the president gets a fair trial. i think it's inappropriate to put a bull nit this thing

immediately within it comes over. i think we need to hear what the management has to say and make the defense and make a decision about whether and to what extent it will go forward from there. >> are you comfortable with no witnesss? >> i'm not comfortable making that decision right now. you know, there might be a lot of agreements on facts in the case. i think there the a disagreement of what rises to a level in of impeachment. so after the arguments are made. then i think that's the time to decide whether witnesses -- >> you are veteran of the town, both chambers. it was remarkable to me that somehow in a week of impeachment we kind of agreed on funding. we got this tradeç agreement where you not in favorable. what do you make of the fact that congress was functional for a week? >> what i make of that is there a handful something on the order of 30 house democrats that donald trump carried in 2016 and is very likely to carry again and for them to go home to their

electorate and say the one thing i did was impeach the president you like was probably not a politically sustainable thing. i think that put pressure on speaker plo es to eventually come to terms. >> you may be the lone vote on the republican side against new nafta usca. you don't like it at ul. you feel as if you've called it you believe it's a step backwards if trade. >> right. >> explain what you mean by that. >> let's start with nafta is. nafta is a free trade agreement, zero tariffs. >> think about it in present tense. >> it is binding and in force right now. we enacted it in legislation, so it is the law of the land. it's a free and fair trade agreement. it's reciprocal. zero tariffs on all agricultural goods. have you this free and fair reciprocal agreement we resulted in a 500% increase in american exports.

pennsylvania exports. some of this was unacceptable to the administration. i think we should ask the question why. the reason is because we were importing each more from mexico than we sell to them. we have a trade deficit with mexico. and the purpose of renegotiating nafta white house to diminish trade with mexico, to diminish deficit. that's wrong direction to go on trade. >> do you think trade deficits are bad or good? >> trade deficits almost always don't matter. >> this president is obsessed with them. >> i think the president is mistaken on this. i had this conversation with the president. look at the big pick, chuck, we've had trade deficits with the rest of the world for over 40 consecutive years. what country has the biggest economy, the highest standard of living and strongest growth and best prospects going forward. that's because trade deficits don't matter. that money gets reinvested back in the united states. so unfortunately usmca is an exercise to all new kind of

divisions to diminish trade. i hope republicans will consider this. we historically realize we are better off with open çmarkets. >> the big criticism of nafta, i discovered this multiple çtime on the campaign trail. even the argument you are making overall for the economy, overall you saw some sectors of this economy do well. you know there are spots in pennsylvania and in ohio and in michigan where they didn't feel it. so the argument, why don't you make the next nafta at least protect those communities better? do you think this will -- >> this doesn't protect any particular community except the auto sector. here's the part that's missing from that analysis. it's absolute truth there are some people their work was displaced and that's enormously problematic. the same is true of technology of automation. when microsoft came one a word

pr processor. everyone in the typewriting business lost their job. instead we say how do we help the folks that used to make type writers turn into the new economy. >> i'll be honest, politicians make that promise. we're going to retrain and all this stuff. i think a lot of people say. >> it's hard. >> it never really happens. >> except, what is the unemployment rate today, chuck? it's at an all time record low. this is the best economy in 50 years. if it weren't for the modest recession in the manufacturing sector caused by the trade wars we'd be in better shape. wages are not stagnate. the growth has been fastest among the lowest income workers because our economy has been so strong despite the trade tensions. >> what do you make of the fact first i met you before you were in congress. you were in an organization for growth that didn't have the stance when you were there. >> i hope it does. >> it seems to have a different

stance than you had on some of these things. the republican party is not the party of free trade anymore? >> let's not come to that conclusion yet. >> donald trump's party is not owe zploe president trump is a skeptic about trade. i think that is true. if you ask my colleague, most of them would say they're free traders. you know, a trade agreement is a commissioned thing and there are other dynamics going on in american politics which might inform someone's judgment, my view is its important we preserve a commitment for free trade. >> were you surprised? you made the point, nancy pelosi, her moderate membersç needed this nafta. every republican senator whose publicly talked about this pelosi ate the administration's lunch, senator corn nine said that you thought that. why do you think pelosi had more leverage? >> i don't have an explanation for that, chuck. in the end there is no question. eighth complete capitulation to

pelosi. >> is it possible he agrees with trump than pelosi? >> if you look at these provision, i don't think that's entirely the case, with respect to the intellectual property protection for biologics and if you category of medicine that went to zero. so there is none now because of the insistence ofç nancy pelos labor provisions where american taxpayers will be enforcing mexican labor law in a way that increases the likelihood of future tariffs. it's very unfortunate from my point of view. >> would you understand if many people read this china supposed trade deal and say, huh? because if they're a little bit confused. 1st we have tariffs. then they're back down. we have some. some are cut in half. it is very confusing and it looks luke we're back to square one. >> well, it is confusing because there are a lot of moving parts. actually i think there is good news here, the devil is in the

detail inned a hearns to this but china is a problem. i put china in a very different category than mexico, for instance, for a variety of reasons. it certainly looks like we got a truce. so that means the trade war and the taxes that we have been imposing on american consumers at least that doesn't get worse in the short run and there has been some level of commitment to address the real problems like the theft of intellectual property, technology transfer so again let's see how we codify. >> does ittize th ease them to they did before? >> apparently there is a commitment to agricultural products and other thungs like intellectual property and transfers and opening up markets to until services. again i think the question is will they comply with this? >> very quickly, your political future. i saw speculation. you are thinking you may not run for the u.s. senate again you may run for governor again.

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president donald trump, as news accounts and -- tells us it's the story. ultimately impeachment is going to get swallowed up by the news cycle like everything else. >> exactly. 21 years ago, when they impeached president bill clinton, it felt like that was the biggest story in the history of the world. everything stopped, spring on its axis. this is another chapter in the story. we were at deaf conone. >> since election day. >> three years of intensity, non-stop hurricane gale force in washington. it feels this is another chapter

yet than something unique. >> that's our role in the media to point out where we are, take a pause this moment in history this president is about to become the first president in the his tore of this nation who will be impeached for violating one of the founder's most primal fears. which is inviting foreign involvement into our election. we saw it on the south lawn, in the call summary. so the only question now really is how the public will respond. he will be acquitted and the question is a year from now how are voters going to respond to that. there is one certainty. we have all of these court cases winding their way through on his tax returns, on all the documents from state department and omb withheld. we have not heard from people in his immediate cissle. the question is who will be more angry, trump's base who believe he was exonerated or the democratic base who believes that he walked? i don't think we know yet. it will not be the only factor that goes into the election. >> you set up, though, we are already in the after math? >> so, youç know, one thing, let's pan out for a minute. just for a second.

the after math is that we're going to have a particular understanding of the executive branch. its power. if trump survives this, which he will. right. if it turns out that impeachment has no sting. has no bite and we are in the after math, what it will mean is that there will be an unlimited imperial executive branch that can do whatever it wants to do. i don't know what congress' power will look like. so i'm just talking about at the level of checks and balances. >> we don't know what he will. he may feel chagrin. >> our very system of checks and balance i think is in question after this maybe that means i'm being hyperbolic. >> i think that ship sailed a while ago. i really do. it was a problem under george w. bush and obama and it has come under donald trump. i think what heidi said i think

is really important because i think you neatly although perhaps unintention amelie illustrated the divide between how you or perhaps even we see things here and how the rest of the world or the rest of america sees these things. they're seeing you know wah, wah, wahing okay we want to talk to john bolton, mulvaney. we want those papers, he definitely did it. this is what he did, broke the founder's most sacred vows of how our nation was to be run. yet that's not what a lot of people think. to the extent they do they either agree or disagree. they're really not interested in all these details and i think -- >> that comes back to the media. >> it goes further to the narrative there is one side intent on persecuting the president. the other side intent on fought listening. >> we have the party switch in the news today, but the democrats from new jersey who is likely going to switch over to three months ago justin amash who switched. >> think about this.

neither member of congress but they can stay in their own party and disagreement they had to leave the tribe. no matter what, you had to leave the tribe. >> that to me that the democratic tebt is not big enough for somebody to be against impeachment. the republican tent is not big enough to criticize this president and be for impeachment. what is that? that means it feelsç as if it' irreconcilable differences. >> our parties are more who modge nice than they used to be. our districts are designed so a member of the house is not nor the other party. within your own party. >> with this democratic congressman, democrats are leaking poll numbers, this guy is not voting for the impeachment inquiry will get roeftd. justin amash would have goneç roasted? >> the incentive structure has changed. 20 years ago, 30 years ago, hay, we got this bipartisan legislation together, even if it wasn't bipartisan, he wanted the appearance of it. he would be rewarded for that.

today it would be a punishment. you cannot drift from your party without -- from i don't think that is absolutely true in the house. i don't think 23 know yet how this is going to go down in the senate. we watched senator toomey. i think there are a number of republicans like him who may want more than just each side presenting its case. >> to bring up witnesses to danielle's point is reason the public said wah, wah, wah, they didn't see sa real trial. they saw grandstanding. in the senate they would see a real trial where they can't interrupt. >> but you did bring up a good point. i think it was interesting. it shows you there are vulnerable republicans who are uncomfortable with this, too. don't get rid of this immediately. i'm not even sure -- i'm not sure yet i want no witnesses. he was not ready to say we know everything yet. which is why mcconnell is trying to strike an odd balance here. >> i think what mcconnell said on fox news to hannity was

unconscionable in terms of simply being to leave the senate majority leader. >> he was trying to send hannity's office a message, i'm not calling hunter biden. >> that's where hannity has to gain. >> i want to go back to the democratic party, though, in a sense remember, it took a minute for nancy pelosi, there were folks within the democratic party who were not with the al greens, who weren't with maxine waters, who are actually making the case we need more evidence, impeachment is not a good thing. so i want to be careful where we make the equivalence. i think within the democratic party, there has been an ongoing debate between folks we used to call blue dog democrats and progressive democrats. >> the meeting of the people, the conservative democrats. thereç used to be a caucus. >> and you know where the moderate republicans meet in the basement? in a small room. i have been there.

>> you were there, chuck, i don't know. >> they couldn't get caught talking to me outside the basement. >> susan collins. these are serious people. they do want to hear it. >> i'm going to end the topic here. but to remind people after up people. is all over, we're still going to get new information, lev parnas is under investigation. i throw this out here. he lied to federal prosecutors, failed to disclose a transfer from a foreign bank account. after impeachment is over new information will come out who quote/unquote wins this post-impeachment political battle. when we come back. >> i think they're tired. they see it as a million hit. it is very partisan. >> we talked to voters about >> we talked to voters about impeachment in k through the at&t network, edge-to-edge intelligence gives you the power to see every corner of your growing business.

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, welcome back. you heard us reference, what does the rest of america think about all this. impeachment is dominating the conversation here in washington. but we have been wondering how much voters beyond the beltway care about hearings on capitol hill. weç traveled to kent county, michigan, a part of our year long county to county problem. we are following five key counties in five swing states we will be believe will be the most competitive. we travel there home to grand rapids. my colleague from the "wall street journal." he sat down at a brewery with six voters. we wanted to know whether they're following impeachment as closely as we are. here's some of what we found. >> i don't even care about it. it's just noise, have you ever

record a football game and found out the final score before you watchedç it? you wouldn't even care d. house votes articles of impeachment, the senate will probably acquit. it's already baked in. so it's not interesting. >> i'm thinking it's a done deal with the house. i agree that the senate will overturn that or vote not to. we're not hearing people talk about it in my circle. at all. i think everyone pretty much knows where everyone else stands and, you know, they're just not interested. they don't have the time to try to follow it. >> it is a complicated story. you think that it's too complicated for people to follow? there is a lot of ins and outs? >> i think it's fairly straight forward. i they lot of people see it more as an infomercial politically. and it's very different than like looking back on the nixon

impeachment, which was really, really grave at the time and was by the vote very bipartisan and this just seems like it really is political theater. >> i still think it's merited to understand whether or not the president directed a quid pro quo with ukraine and all the different things that are surrounding this investigation. it felt like for a minute there was a split second leading up to the solomon hearings it felt like there was momentum or a done deal. the second half of solomon's testimony was completed and it felt like everything just stopped. it matt toad and then it began to again feel like the game was already finished and we were watching a pre determined process that was going to be played for political gain on both sides. >> i think we're looking at the republicans posturing themselves. the president tweeting, for

example. i don't think those are accidents. i think at great purpose he tweets at 2:00 am to drive the next morning's news cycle. >> he doesn't when a lot of points. >> he knows how to play the political process. >> absolute will i. >> so i was saying earlier through the holiday season getting together with people, nobody's talking about it. i think people are just tired. they see it as a political hit. it is very partisan and if it's not one thing it's going to be another. it's going to be another, it's gentleman to beç another. >> doesç this have any effect anybody's presidential vote in 2020? >> i don't think so. we knew who trump was when we voted for him. est already baked in. >> i don't think this is shaking the pillars of democracy such that it warrants impeachment i think my vote is more affected by the current economic

situation and balancing that against, frankly, trump's personality. which is not the best. >> for me, it's beyond trump, trump will come and go, worse case scenario for some, right? 2024? and i still believe the republican answers are the answers to solve some of our country's problems, social, economic, political policy. so i would, not necessarily say i'm a trump voter, but i think the republican party has the best set of answers. >> cindy you have a term for how you describe your own politics then? >> i'm a repulsesed republican. >> describe what that means. >> i very much believe in the republican values and you know we need a strong economy. we have to support our businesses. i'm pro-life. i believe in a strong military. i believe in all of that i also believe that we can do better in

how we're managing our money. >> that debt, that debt is soaring and you know to hear mitch mcconnell say that they will become the fiscal conservative party when they get a democrat in the office tells me one thing and it tells me, we don't matter out here. >> did president trump, i know there is a dips at the tame about impeachment. did president trump do anything wrong when you look at -- anything in the impeachment inquiry you look at and say these are things shouldn't happen? >> i'd like clarification as to his question on the phone call, was it referencing back to 2016 and asking for information from ukraine or was it referencing the upcoming election, that's not clear to me. if it was back to 2016, that's not impeachable. >> right, i agree, and do we owe ukraine money? wiuz gifting ukraine money?

were we lending ukraine money? who gives money without some kind of i don't want to call it quid pro quo but some kind of you know here, but hey, while i'm giving you this, i heard about a problem back then, can you look into that? is that unreasonable? >> to the problem with trump is has he earned the benefit of the doubt? he squandered it so often, it's unlikely that he's innocent. >> when you say wrong, i'm trying, are you saying illegal,? are you saying inappropriate? >> impeachment is high crimes and misdemeanors? >> the transcript of that call when i listenedç to them, i'm thinking, what are they, what are they so upset about? >> where would we go? what would you like to see what happened with this. >> i think an election would be nice. >> gad to watch our entire conversation, our county to county voter discussion on our

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we are back, as everyone does tear decade in review pieces over the next few weeks, we wanted to mark our own, 30 years of "wall street journal" poll. so what has changed since our bipartisan pollsters first teamed up in september of noon 89? well in our first poll ever, here was the presidential job approval for george hw bush. 67%. before the fall of the berlin wall. only 17% of people disapprove. bush 41 was garnering approval from democrats as well as republicans. consider that with president trump now. 45% approve, 53% disapprove. he has little support from democrats and almost none from

democrats and as we've grown more partisan we have dpron lesç optimistic n. 1990, 50% to 45%. people said they were confident their children would be better off than they were. now just 27% are confident their children will be better off. two-thirds of the country are not confident, 67%. then there are the cultural and societal shifts that we have been making in three decades, 2046% says it was a positive development women were developing careers. by 2017, 78%, 14% called it a negative. a big shift in 18 years. and the shift in support for same-sex marriage has swung even faster. in 2003, only 32% supported gay and lesbian marriages versus 51% who oppose. by 2017, support was up to 60%. 33% opposing. another big reversal. this one in just 14 years.

finally, we are becoming more secular. in 2000, 41% of the country said they attended religious service once a week or more. compared to 14% in 2000 who said they never did this year we found less than 30%, between% of americans say they attend religious services weekly or more compared with 26% who tell us they never attend. all in all, we've become much more partisan. our outlook a bit more dire and we have undergone massive cultural shifts in three decades. there is no reason to think these trends won't continue. when we come back, the lesson if there is one from boris johnson [ suspenseful music ] you have a brother in the second battalion? yes sir. they're walking into a trap. your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrow's attack. if you fail we will lose sixteen hundred men. your brother among them. we need to keep moving. come on! there's only one way this war ends.

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all right. eddie, let me ask you where you are on what happened across the pond with the labor party. jonathan shade of new york magazine writes, whether a more moderate labor leader would have defeated johnson is unnoticeable. what is certain is his delirious backers built around it a self serving theory from which they refused to deviate in the peace of mounting indications of doom. james car investment, though, put it a bit more succinctly. he said let me put his quote up on the board here. you can go so far left that you can lose to an unacceptable incumbent. that itself the lesson. the lesson is screaming right in your face. do you buy it? >> no, no, i don't. look, it's certainly the case the corbyn's campaign presented a whole host of issues of problems want i think he didn't focus like he should have on the brexit question. i want us to be very, very careful. because my reading of brexit has

everything to do with right wing populism in university. it has everything to do with right wing populism in the uk. what is the lesson to be learned? do we cow tale to that? part of what we need to understand is you have to have a are bust vision of america, a robust policy position. you can't obviously go too far to the left i don't think that's the lesson we learn here. is that right wing populism is strong. it is strong and it is pervasive and we have to mount i think a concerted political and moral response to it. that's what i think we need. >> nope. sorry. >> we were busy agreeing during the commercial break. with çredisagreeing now, firstf all, if you listen to the demographics of who supported boris johnson, you are not talking about the power of right wing populism or the right wing or conservative ideas. the brexit vote isn't about

right wing populism alone. it's about the sense that people got left behind by university. it's the sense that there are a lot of resonant themes with american voters. you know if you look at. i think james carvel had it exactly right f. you look at what jeremy corbyn was promising, the renationalization of railways, an entitlement for higher education. new taxes. he was repudiated soundly. >> okay. but let me over simplify it this way let me offer it to this side of the table, peter, heidi which is this, do voters in the uk big amelie say look one person is offering me more disruption, jer my corbyn. the other will follow through on the mistake we made before. i don't leak it.ó0@&h(lc% at this point we can't go back and that maybe that maybe everybody is trying to read too much of it in. ultimately, this was exhausted british voters over brexit.

>> they wanted some clarity. >> corbyn didn't provide clarity, johnson was. >> they said we will poll here and get this done, boris johnson, that is a different session here. the lesson that i think is important is elections are not about a referendum on the incumbent. they are about a choice. you do have to present a clear alternative that the appealing to get people off of their previous position. and that's the lesson for democrats. what kind of alternates -- it may or may not be ideology. he had a lot of issues that were not directly comparable to today's democrats. but have you to be able to present a clear and coherent alternative. >> team sanders wrapped their arms around corbyn. like, hey, team corbyn. does this stick to him in a negative way? >> look, i think there are some huge differences between america's left wing and jeremy corbyn. none of the candidates are as uniquely unpopular as corbyn

was. at the same time, i don't think we can ignore what's happening, not only here but all across europe, which is that you have a combustive mix of huge demographic changes in shifts a economic distress and when those things are mixing, when there is a choice given to voters between left wing populism and right wing populism, it's winning out more than left wing populism if the candidate on the left is perceived to be too far to the left. >> what's interesting here is the divide now in the democratic party appears to be elizabeth warren, her argument is, yes, trump won because the left didn't offer the disruption and the change that he was offering while of course you have others like joe biden saying, no, no, no, we need to bring the country together. that played out if rhetoric. here's elizabeth warren going after buttigieg and biden. >> now unlike some candidates for the democratic nomination, i

am not counting on republican politicians having an epiphany. i'm not betting my agenda on the naive hope that if democrats adopt republican critiques of progressive policies or make vague calls for unity, somehow the wealthy and well connected will stand down. >> both biden an buttigieg essentially responded, took the criticism personally and responded. take a listen. >> any one that starts off saying we can't bring america together it's throwing in the towel. >> the thing about these purity tests is the people issuing them can't even meet them. right? if doing traditional fundraisers disqualifies you for running for president, either one of us would be here. >> ultimately it is about those in the democratic party says no there is massive, massive changç that has to happen. those that say you got to get

past trump before you do it. >> right. so the argument has to proceed on these grounds it seems to me what happened before trump? before trump we had his toshic levels of inequality. what was going on before trump? black people were getting murdered in the street. what was happening, we had mass incarceration. what does it mean to appeal to what was before him? as if the country was okay. the fundamental also weren't there. so i think what we need is an agenda for change. right. let me say this about buttigieg and others. right. barack obama's candidacy was revolutionary in part because he was a black man. in terms of the policies, it seemed like third way democrats to me. some people were calling it democrats, buttigieg is presentingç himself as a revolutionary candidate because of identity politics. when you look at what he's saying, it's the same old same old. >> interesting point. i have to leave it there. unfortunately, it's all we have for today. we'll be back next week, because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." - [host] introducing the drinkworks home bar by keurig,

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