military is very concerned about 83-7 getting advantage for the president. david french, i guess we have maelstrom of politics in an politicized mask wearing. election year in order to push it did seem as if when this protesters as they were at first started it was elected lafayette square. that was wrong. officials trying to polarize us on masks, but the public wasn't there. we're starting to see a little bit of this creep into the public now. >> a lot of it is creeping into admiral james stavridis, i the public. appreciate you coming on and i mean, everything -- everything sharing your expertise from your becomes culture war eventually this sunday, turning point. point of view. thanks for being here. in these times, it seems and it >> thank you. ♪ we shall overcome >> when we come back i'll talk seems unlikely to say that to representatives in two masking would become part of the >> nationwide protests. culture war especially since >> sparked by the police killing prudent masking is an of george floyd. indispensable part of opening up >> nothing has changed. the economy that so many folks and particularly in the less what are we supposed to do? nothing has changed. hard-hit red states have been >> inspire a national asking for for a very long time, recognition of inequality and police brutality against and so you have this dichotomy african-americans. where on the one hand people are >> i won't be satisfied until i can wake up and have kids and saying open, open, open in many have them not fear their lives ofuthethe virus doesn't care just for being black. >> it's time for us to stand up in george's name and say get about your politics. it doesn't care if you're out in your knee off our necks.

public shoulder to shoulder with >> why this time feels people because you're protesting racism and it doesn't care if different. my guest this morning senator you're not wearing a mask cory booker of new jersey. because you think it's a sign of black lives matter co-founder weakness. it doesn't care. it can afflict people left, alicia garza and the founder of the african-american museum right, poor, rich and it feels as if we've moved to a point lonny bunch. where we're saying oh, that's plus military pushback. after protests and violence, over now. that's over. president trump urges domination that was the spring. we're coming into the summer, of the streets. >> i am your president of law and again, we're dealing with a and order, and an ally of all virus that it doesn't matter peaceful protesters. what we think about it. >> and peaceful protesters near it's going to do what it's going the white house are rouded with to do, and we can only hope and flash grenades and chemical fray in looking over the agents to clear the way for a protests this last week that photo opportunity prompting criticism from military outside transmission is not commanders and his own defense nearly as dangerous as we thought it could be, but again, secretary. >> the option to use active duty politics, the culture war battle here is irrelevant when the forces in a law enforcement role should only be used as a matter of last resort. virus doesn't care about it. >> i'll talk to the former nato >> kristen welker, the president was very excited about having supreme allied commander. unexpected good news in the economy showing an up arrow on plus the wall street joe job gains rather than the expected down arrow and i want to put up numbers from the poll journal. joining me are washington post to show you, why he wants it to

be a v and why it's unlikely to columnist eugene, kristen welker and senior editor of "the be a v and half the country is dispatch. david french. welcome to sunday. "it's meet the press." with the economic activity. >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history. 20% of those we surveyed feel this is "meet the press qwest" comfortable doing a couple of those things. another, i would say another chuck todd. good sunday morning. quarter tell us that they have some medium level of comfort, we have reached at least one 20%. one in five voters that we inflexion point in america, tested called themselves quasi perhaps two. comfortable, but you still have the killing of george floyd has 52% who call themselves very set up nearly two weeks of peaceful protests around the uncomfortable in some form about flying, eating out or large groups, and i looked at those world. awakening white america to the numbers and i heard the president's rhetoric, and i thought i know he wants this to police brutality and a coalition be a "v" recovery, but that to say "enough." demand issue shows me it's at the same time the clearing of welcome back. protesters near the white house when president john f. concern i unlikely it will be. to make way for a presidential did gave his nationally tell he >> right. white house officials, chuck, photo opportunity had succeeded advised address on civil rights, are saying the bottom line is in uniting current and former he said 100 years passed since that it is remarkable that we military leaders to denounce the are seeing these signs of use of force against peaceful abraham freed the slaves and recovery at this point, and so that black americans were still assembly and to say "enough." not free. you can expect the president to >> we are confronted primarily continue to try to focus on the with a moral issue, as old as from the brutal police killing

to the marches, to the 110,000 numbers that are moving in the scriptures and as clear as the right direction because the economy is going to be key to americans dead from the coronavirus, to the tens of millions now unemployed, there constitution. his reelection and that's why >> that was 57 years ago this week. you had that rose garden event is a growing sense that things generations have passed since are spinning beyond our grasp in and full equality still has not on friday with the president been achieved. this country. this is the scene here in essentially taking a victory this morning we will bring washington where the white house has become a fortress, behind together two generations in its fight for equal rights. lap, and i am told that the new fencing and concrete biden campaign and the former barriers. in fact, in our latest nbc lonny bunch is the founder of news/wall street journal poll the museum of african-american vice president will focus this nearly 40% of all registered history and alicia garza is one voters tell us that the country focused on his plans for the of three women who founded the economic recovery and revival is out of control. black lives matter movement. and biden knows that he needs to just 15% believe things are currently under control. welcome to both of you. be, in essence, more out front. lonny bunch, i will get to you in a moment, but i want to start still, president trump's with alicia garza. we saw that this week when he approval rating stands pretty spoke in philadelphia and in much where it's been for the dover about these protests and last two years. so for biden, he's going to 43% approve, 53% disapprove and i want to start with 16th street really try to make this a what does this all mean for leadership issue, but i do november? it remains a very stable and the symbolism and it was on think, chuck, that this re-election is going to largely election. joe biden's lead over president focus on the economy and the so many papers on saturday. broader questions about trump is a seven point, 49-42 leadership and handling these and it's exactly where it stood i am curious it went from a hash dual crises. the protests, of course, and the two months ago and both candidates are challenged when tag in 2013 to now the majority coronavirus, chuck. facing a moment where a vocal of americans, multi-racial >> gene, do i feel that public is demanding change and coalition rallying around a democrats have to be careful and

declaring that black lives symbol right now. not to look like they're unhappy matter. >> it may not be in my life what does this mean and how do that the economy surprisingly you take this from symbol to looked better and that jobs policy? report and i go back to 2004 and time, but it may be in these young people's life time that >> well, i think what this when there were times they looked like the democrats and racism and protesters across means, chuck is that black lives the carrie campaign thought the matter is not just a radical worse the economic picture, the better shot they have. the country and around the world so you have to be careful when have captured a shift in public you walk that line. there's no doubt that the attitudes on race and policing. idea, and frankly, when we look president might be overspiking >> our ancestors built this the football, but you can't look ground that we are standing on at -- there is a lot of like you're unhappy about it. >> right. and we feel like we deserve to be here. i haven't heard democrats who >> there is a change and mind sounded unhappy at the signs of consensus and the consensus is that it is time to pool our economic progress and recovery. set that's taking place, a money and resources in a fully different way. i heard some questioning of recognition that we can do at the end of the day, chuck, everyone can agree that we don't the -- of the bureau of labor better. >> in our polls of have the things that we need to african-americans, hispanics and live well and that we are using statistics figures, but notusly. whites all say they're more concerned about the actions of policing and law enforcement in a way that far exceeds, and these are -- these are the police in the george floyd killing than about some protests caed which have turned violent. we -- professionals who have done this floyd remembered on saturday at for generations, and so i a memorial service in north [ indiscernible ] believe the numbers and i think carolina where he was born. everyone has to celebrate to protesters and what we are >> and breonna taylor at a vigil economic recovery. i think that the issue for the hearing across the nation is that our priorities are in the in louisville, kentucky. wrong place and that this an president, though is the number use of force policies are being opportunity for us to change and

of people who as judged by our re-examined across the country so what i am looking for right now and what millions of with new moments of violence poll think the country is sort caught on camera this week. americans are looking for right of spiralling out of control in buffalo, new york, a now is real change, not around with these multiple crisis on 75-year-old man pushed back by the edges, but going straight top of crisis, pandemic and and directly to the route. police on tuesday, his head hitting the ground. in new york city, a police why are we using so much officer kauts on camera pushing a woman to the ground. resources to address -- another pulling down a man's mask and pepper spraying him in great depression level protests [ no audio ] and that is not good for an the face. in philadelphia, a police staff incoming president to have the overwhelming majority of the inspector facing aggravated country feeling that things are >> we're having a little bit -- out of control. >> making sure that we limit the assault charges after hitting a >> no. temple university student with a size, scope and scale of that, to me, is definitely the baton during a confrontation. policing in this country. toughest number in our poll there. that's all we have for today. at the same time, protesters thank you for watching. have attacked police with rocks and bottles. thank you for trusting us. the president has embraced the >> when you hear the phrase -- we really appreciate it. idea of military units in the when americans hear the phrase we'll be back next week because streets of the capital. if it's sunday, it's "meet the you have to dominate the press qwest ". "defund the police," you're not streets. you can't let what's happening happen. calling for defunding police it's called dominate the streets. >> we are out here peacefully departments and getting rid of protesting, but they're armed police. like they're going to war. >> mr. trump is hoping to run as explain what you mean by that phrase. >> when we talk about defunding a law and order candidate again. the police, what we're saying is >> i am your president of law invest in the resources that our and order. >> and is lamenting the chaos he communities need. presides over. so much right now is generated on monday the government used and directly toward quality of

life issue, homelessness, drug physical force, dispersing peaceful protesters with addiction, domestic violence and chemical agents and flash conflict. grenades clearing the way for [ no audio ] the president's photo-op in front of st. john's episcopal in order to address those church prompting criticism from his former defense secretary issues, but what we do need is funding for housing. james mattis. donald trump is the first president in my life time who we need increased funding for does not try to unite the education. american people, does not even we need increased funding for pretend to try. quality of life for a community instead, he tries to divide us. that is over policed and over >> general mattis' letter was surveilled. stunning and powerful. i ou >> i respect general mattis. use, but i agree with the he has every right to express content so i would just ask all his opinion. of us, are we willing to live in that's his opinion. >> and these comments from fear that our lives will be former white house chief of taken by police officers who are staff john kelly. >> i think we should look at literally using their power in people that are running for the wrong way or are we willing office and put them through the filter. what is their character like? to adopt and absorb what it what is their -- what are their might mean to change our practices which will ultimately ethics, if they're elected to of lead to a better quality of life for everyone. their con stifstituents not jus so again, i want to be very,

very clear. base. >> joining me is senator cory seven years ago people thought black lives matter was a radical idea and how black lives matter booker, welcome back to "meet is a household name and the price." something being discussed across you'ved called this a moral kitchen tables all over the world. moment for this country and why can't we start to look at they're spurring more than just how it is that we reorganize our priorities so that people don't have to be in the streets a moment. is it more than a moment or will protesting during a national pandemic. it actually lead to changes in it's really a global pandemic. our policies. >> well, they're the same. it is time to adjust the in fact, when i look at pandemic in our communities and everything from the suffrage that pandemic is not having the movement to the labor movement in this country, it's always resources we need to live well. been the people in the streets, that's not just a black problem. often young people who have that's everybody's problem. demanded and forced a change in consciousness that made policy >> alicia garza there. changes possible. i've been working all week with oca hiccup there. kamala harris and allies in the but i appreciate you coming on house to get real policies and sharing your perspective with us. let me turn now to the secretary proposed and we'll be releasing of the smithsonian institution, ha been done in this lonnie bunch. >> let's take a step back. country a long time ago, banning where are we on this arc in the police practices and creating cause for civil rights? deeper accountability and i am grateful to see these

>> you know, in some ways this non-violent protests outpouring is both a moment of optimism, in the street because they're but it's a moment that in some leading and creating the pressure and creating a ways we have been here before. possibility that our policies can reflect the spirit of this i think that this is a time that country, that we can be in the law a more beloved nation. there are great differences. today in houston, george there are more people involved. its a diverse group of people floyd's family and loved ones >> you know, you have a unique will hold a public viewing at trying to fight for change. set of experiences. but to be honest, as an the same time in minneapolis police officer derek chauvin is you've been a mayor and a african-american, i'm tired of scheduled to make his first federal officeholder in the court appearance mourning. i'm tired of carrying the over the weekend, the senate and where should most of peaceful voices of protesters this change be enacted? burden. but what i realize is the challenge for all of us is this grew louder as many push for on the local level or the change, including defunding or is a time for america to finally federal level? >> it's got to be enacted on total dismantling of police confront the tortured racial departments. new incidents caught on fire every level. we are in a society that we are past. >> it does seem as if there is a fuelling the fire for a movement, including a white officer tasing a black man in culpable and distinct from any majority of white america now the streets during a domestic other on planet earth. sees the inequality and maybe it call the officer now faces assaul one outside of every three women on the planet earth that are took the economic pandemic and incarcerated are here in the health pandemic and the america. we've taken so much of our examples of more police treasure between the time i was in law school to the time i was brutality all happening within this 90-day window perhaps to mayor we were building a new get there. prisoner jail every ten days and how do you take that momentum and turn it into some policy exbliss lig explicitly and complicitly we

fixes? all have made a decision that we >> well, i think first of all, will treat mental illness with you're right. this is a moment where america prison, jail and police. can really grapple with addiction, with prison, jail and questions of race. have the conversations they need to do and turn that to policy. police. poverty, with prison, jail and police and overwhelmingly for me as a historian, i am listening back and listening to the words of ella african-americans with prison, jail and police. baker who said over 50 years ago we now in america have more that until the death of a black african-american men under criminal supervision than all of mother's son is as important to this country as the death of a the slaves, men that were slaves white mother's son we who believe in freedom cannot rest. in 1850. this is astonishing. for me, until we get to that day this is unacceptable. we need to be more courageous in our compassion for one another, change. more ambitious in our >> it was interesting yesterday imagination that we can create a society that's not so to see the marines announce that overpoliced or where police -- they were basically going to ban any -- they didn't want any of woe don't tolerate certain their active duty soldiers to tactics that have heginning of have confederate flag paraphernalia. this that 80+ percent of it's symbolic, but is this the moment and we saw confederate americans think this is out of memorials taken down in richmond control. for black people in this country and birmingham, though the state of alabama is fighting the we have felt it is out of birmingham one. do you think this is the moment

control in the way it polices we finally get over this our communities and individuals for a very long time and this awakening is so important to confederate memorial dialogue create real, substantive change that we've -- we've seem to be and not just lip service from running in circles around? politicians. >> tell us -- tell me how your >> what i hope is that this is a thinking has changed being a moment that we can candidly mayor at one point, you didn't want the federal government -- assess our history, that we can you've fought some of the oversight over the new york look at the confederate monument and recognize that some of them need to come down because they police department at the time and you've embraced it since. what have you learned over time represent not just a historic moment. about this issue? >> well, it shows the they represent white supremacy insidiousness of institutional and segregation. racism. we are a majority black city in so i see this as a time that america can finally look at itself and be candid about what newark. we had a majority black city needs to change. council and black mayor and i also think it's a time where black police chief and we know you're really seeing allies across the board. we inherited a department with decades of challenges and we you're seeing whites in europe went to reform the police department, but we didn't have caring about this, you're seeing black and white people coming the data. together in the united states. we didn't have the transparency and it took the federal government and their i think this is the moment and accountability and their systems the key for me is will there be and data analysis to show that leadership at the national and we were not moving as fast as we the local level to affect the should and so we took on a very kind of change that this moment is allowing us to do?

ambitious plan that stood everything from changing our >> is president trump redeemable court system with veterans in this moment? courts and youth courts to pulling in experts from john j. >> say it again. i lost you. college to say you don't have to >> is president trump redeemable arrest people to create safer in this moment? neighborhoods. there are other ways to go, and i partnered with the aclu before i left to set a national >> i think it's important to realize that this is something standard data collection practices. so i learned the hard way that where all americans need to own this is not a system that is this, that this is not a black problem. always explicitly done by overt this is a quintessential american problem and my hope is that leadership from the racism. this is a system that's really national all of the way down to the local will recognize this is baked, that we all have to take a time to bring the country together because it's splintered responsibility for and get in ways that are very, very painful, but this is a moment to practices that you're going to see in the bill we're going to release that just give greater take that pain and seize the transparency and greater accountability for those doing cod finally the policing. >> i want to ask you about live up to the stated ideals of this country. defunding the police. that's the challenge for all last night in washington on 16th political leadership and candidly that's the challenge street right next to the black lives matter the phrase defund for all americans to say this is the moment of change and transformation. the police was painted down there and that is -- there is a >> lonnie bunch, i'm going have

to leave it there. lot of passion around that issue i appreciate you coming on and and when you hear the phrase may mean different things to different people, but when you sharing your perspective and sharing it from the historical hear that, what's your reaction? context that you always do so well. thanks for coming on. >> i understand clearly the >> good to see you, sir. >> thank you, chuck. sentiment and the substance >> good to see you. behind the slogan and if people when we come back, president just dismiss it, and don't get trump and former vice president biden on monday. deeper into the substance. what these photos tell us about as i said earlier, it is not the the two men who will be facing off in november. the panel is next. a grandfather of 14. mark of a beloved community to prey upon the honorable in your society. we are using police and as a guy who ran police departments i would have exhausted police a newlywed... officers saying why are we using a guy who just got into college... that's why behind these masks, johnson & johnson scientists are working police to deal with the fwr to accelerate development of a covid-19 vaccine, drawing on decades of experience responding to public health emergencies fragility of the police department. like ebola and hiv. i remember being surprised in seattle with the housing group for the life behind every mask, called plymouth housing where they showed me a data analysis the clock never stops and neither do we. when they looked at what was more expensive for society, providing supportive housing for

americans with mental illness that were homeless or leaving them on the streets and they were able to find they were able to save seattle millions of dollars by giving people supportive housing because homeless people left on the streets with mental illnesses end up in hospital emergency rooms and jails. so this is the outrage that i think people on the streets are feeling and that i share is that we are overpoliced as a society, that we are investing in police which is not solving problems, but making them worse when we vfighting an invisible enemy -s, should be in a more compassionate country, in a more and caring for our communities loving country, and i know love with courage and compassion. is at the core of our ideals, the covid-19 crisis but it needs to be made manifest has challenged us like never before. in our policies. now, the men and women we would spend less money and of america's hospitals and health systems elevate human dignity and are counting on congress and the administration to stand with us, potential and we would set a standard for how we treat those as we stand ready to care for you, who are vulnerable as opposed to what we're seeing right now. in every way, every day. >> when you were running for president you were quite critical of former vice

president joe biden and you questioned whether he had the credibility given his record on some of these issues to be a reformer on this. where are you now? >> i fully put my faith in joe biden to be the person who can preside over this transformative change, and i'm going to tell you right now the heroes for me as i look at great presidents past, the time of lbj, extraordinary, capable leader like joe biden, but the real heros in that generation were the people who were sick and tired of being sick and tired, and if there are protesters listening to the show, i want to say, and i want to say in all sincerity, stay on the streets with non-violent protests and stay with the change. joe biden can do that. donald trump can't center himself in this. this is such a bigger moment welcome back. than him. this is not a referendum on one the panel is joining us from person and one office. their remote locations and this is a referendum on who we washington post columnist eugene robinson, nbc news correspondent kristen welker and from the are as americans and who we are dispatch and time magazine

going to be to each other. columnist david french. david, i want to start with you. this is a moral moment. you wrote a very passionate will we become a more loving and compassionate society, not with column over the weekend about our rhetoric, but with our laws and our rules and how to treat the most vulnerable and so this sort of your own personal is the moment that joe biden can be the president for, but the he experiences and trying to explain to white america what responsibility is not on any institutional racism is. individual. it's on all of us. >> senator booker, democrat from tell us more about it. new jersey, i have to leave it there. i really appreciate you coming >> yeah, i think i can summit up on and sharing your perspective in four words and that is don't be like me. with us. when i first began to learn thank you. >> thank you. president trump's threats to use the military to break up about systemic racism, i took it protests and the actual use of like a lot of americans do as an force to clear protesters near the white house has led to a attack that it is saying that, torrent of criticism, from david, you're racist or the employer you for is racist. i had a much more rosie view of former military leaders including former allied what america was and what the american experience was. and then something very dramatic changed in our laives. we adopted a beautiful young girl from ethiopia. commander, admiral, welcome to "meet the press" where did you and our family gabecame multiracial. feel so compelled to speak out our experiences changed

dramatically pt a trip to the and why did you fellow four mall, we couldn't guarantee was stars, if you will, felt the going to be routine anymore. need to speak out this week? a trip to the neighborhood pool. >> at the end of the day, chuck, everybody in the military swears an oath every time they're we couldn't guarantee it was going to be routine anymore then we faced vicious on line racism in the 2016 election. promoted in rank. what began to open my eyes is this understanding that, wait a i did it when i was at the midshipman academy and it is to minute, you don't take 345 years defend and support the of legally sanctioned race nix a constitution of the united states against all enemies country that was often enforced foreign and domestic, this is a by violence, remove it finally moment when i think many of us watched the use of active duty about the civil rights act of military to clear peaceful 1964 and then in the ensuing 56 years solve everything. protesters out of lafayette and where we can say, look, look square, and it rang echoes of how far we have come. what the founders feared more yes, we've come far. but we should also say look how than anything which was the use far we need to go. and the point of my piece was to of armed active duty citizens say, it shouldn't have to take having a multiracial family to and they built safeguards and reach that conclusion. including the first amendment. we should listen to the testimony and understand the the spectrum that runs from very experiences of people and believe what they're saying reticent jim mattis, john kelly about their lives and respond who were part of this accordingly. administration to people like me kind of in the center, to people >> eugene, i was thinking, you

like general john allen and bill and i are -- we're not that far apart in age. mccraven who were quite critical i was one of the -- i went to a that jumped and felt that shock segregated school in dade to clear peaceful protesters. county. i was among the first that went. wrong answer. >> i am curious, it struck me as david points out, it hasn't been that long. sometimes you look and it feels today being nato supreme allied like we made a lot of progress commander, you didn't live in and sometimes it feels like we the united states. you lived overseas. made harley any. >> yeah, i grew up in in my being an american diplomat early years were under jim crow overseas, say, in hungary, say segregation in south carolina. in china, say in brazil, you get and so those are my earliest where i'm going here. are you concerned about our loss memories. they're of, you know, of international moral playgrounds i couldn't go to. there were roads that my father authority? >> ai am, chuck, and it often - would not drive down because it was klan country. before i was nato commander i what is heartbreaking, though, spent four years, four stars in you know, yesterday my house we charge of all military south of the united states. it is called u.s. southern rewatched the film selma of the command. i spent a lot of time with the governments and militaries of famous selma march.montgomery. latin american and caribbean who, let's face it, have a long history of dictatorships and the scenes of protesters oppression. they've come a long way since the '60s and '70s, but i've being attacked on the bridge, it

spent a lot of time talking to those leaders making sure that they continued on that path. i never thought i would be resonates today. you watch something like that, criticizing my own government in you can't help but be that regard. it's a shocking turn and to your point, yes, it reduces our moral disheartened and say how much have we changed? influence and our leadership have we made the progress we flatter ourselves in thinking we role in the world. made? we ought to worry about that and, you know, i come back to what reverend sharpton kept saying at the memorial service deeply. >> if you're secretary esper or for george floyd. get your knee off our neck. general millie who have clearly tried to draw a line of distance now in what happened last monday >> the president struggled with night, at the end of the day, this. what's been interesting is he seems more on an island. though, they have to follow a commander in chief's order, so he tried to praise drew brees if he does want to invoke the for taking a knee. insurrection act, what would you advise secretary esper and for first having a one stand and then attacked him for secretary millie to do? withdrawing it. and then he tried to -- he >> i think two slightly seemed to be alone on that. different cases, chuck. there wasn't a lot of -- the of course, secretary esper, although point amen oir for that is just not graduate himself and was on as loud anymore. does the white house realize the ilary at president might be in the one time. he's a political appointee and minority on this now? he was signed up for this to a

>> well, i think white house, certain degree, and i was pleased to see him push back on the president during the course chuck, that president trump needs to at some point say what of the week and he would not he is going to do about this recommend the insurrection act. general millie, very different crisis. he's trying to cast himself as the law and order president. situation. as an active duty officer he's really got two choices here. he's inside the white house when one is to follow the orders and you have this fencing, the other is to reach up on to additional fencing that has gone his shoulder and grab those four up to create a larger perimeter. stars and say, sir, i cannot he is literally and execute that order. metaphorically blocked off from i believe it violates my the protesters outside and the conscience, my view. crux of their demands which is i gave you my best military that they want to see change advice. throughout the country, throughout police departments you rejected it and that's a all across the country. hard place for any active duty military officer to go, and i i was with president trump when hope general millie doesn't have he made that walk to st. john's to hit that point. >> are you concerned about church and held up that bible, morale, at the pentagon, morale that moment that has come under so much scrutiny. and the rank and file? >> i am. >> here we get into simply the numbers involved here and in i was among reporters saying this country, we have about a what is your plan to address this crisis? million police officers. do you see this as an issue of we have 500,000 national guard systemic racism? he didn't answer our questions who are citizen soldiers and who

then. he shushed us. operate under authority of on friday he was pressed again. governors and my view, those are what is your plan? he again shushed reporters. i think that there is going to plenty of people who can do the be increased pressure for him to lay out specifically how he sees protesters.e this and what he plans to do about it. on your point about the nfl this remarkable sea change in the nfl. roger goodell coming out and saying black lives matter. that could be significant. >> i want to play the roger goodell sound here. the nfl players basically almost seemed to challenge the league to say something more meaningful on this. i think what they were looking for almost, they didn't say it, also an apology and acknowledgement of what colin kaepernick did. it was a very powerful message. powerful enough roger goodell

thought he needed to respond. >> we at the national football league condemn racism and the systematic oppression of black people. we the national football league admit we were wrong for not listening to nfl players earlier and encourage all to speak out and peacefully protest. we the in ationnational footbal believe black lives matter. >> the video itself, there is a lot of -- we're all struggling with video and sometimes the video can make you not look good and all this stuff. i am curious though. without saying the name colin kaepernick, does that mean roger goodell's words ring more hollow to some? say his name. they should say the namastostra

and removed from the league for the mistreatment of african-americans. so i will believe the nfl is serious when i hear buy in from the nfl owners when i see the reaction how they react. i know players will take a knee this year. probably a lot of players. and there will be a lot of tweets from the white house critical of that and how will the owners react? how will the league react? we'll see. >> david french, i know you're a big sports fan. i'm curious, it was interesting to watch drew brees this week. >> yeah, it was interesting. look, drew brees is a leader of the team that is majority african-american. and i think a mistake that he maze was that i think he got lost in the form of the protest over the point of the protest. the disagreement over the form of the protest became something that overwhelmed the point of the protest. i think that is something that

is a common error that a lot of people make. don't be distracted by the form. focus on the point. >> well said, mr. french. eugene, kristen, thank you all. we have more to come

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