chuck, before things escalated. decision right now, it may be a for the better part of the video good idea to wait a little bit. you see brooks sitting in his car, and asking him how much >> tim alberta, i'm reminded by can play a role and two excerpts have you had to drink? from the president and one just what were you doing? a longtime friend of mine, the this week to fox news about abe where were you coming from? greatest v.p. disparity of all he took a field sobriety test and 43 minutes into the video, time with 1988, lloyd benson, lincoln. take a listen. >> i think i've done more for you see the officers try and the black community than any place him under arrest and that's when things quickly begin other president and let's take a dan quayle and the post said how pass on abraham lincoln because ♪ to escalate there and in a he did good, although it's much more qualified benson was this sunday, another police 90-second piece you see it go always questionable. and it didn't seem to have any in other words, the end shooting. from a calm conversation to result -- >> we are free, mr. president. the fatal shooting of an hearing the gun shots that impact, and are we doing it >> you understand what i mean. again or could we be overhyping african-american man after a ultimately ended his life. i'm going to take a pass on abe, the importanceance of it? struggle with atlanta police there are things taking place, >> it's possible, chuck. leads to angry protests and the the gbi and the fulton county honest abe, as we call him. immediate resignation of the historically, the vice >> before you respond, i want to presidential selection has not city's police chief. >> i do not believe that this district attorney to see if had the huge impact and in many was a justified use of deadly there are charges to come from play one of the challenges for this case and attorneys for this president is that this has cases it has no impactve to go k force. >> we'll have the latest from brooks' family say they're been a long history of having conducting their own atlanta. >> this as coast to coast four years to see how donald marches. investigation, chuck. >> blaine, this was really swift trump's selection of mike pence >> i just want justice and we one view about race. action in comparison to other listen to this quote from 1989. just want it now. prompted a national incidents and other communities >> a well-educated black has a debate on create a public safety and how quickly not only the along with his unveiling of the potential list of supreme court firing of the police officer, justices and those two things in resignation of the police chief. tremendous advantage over a well educated white in terms of the tandem really matter as far as system that works for everyone. what is the reaction of other >> we won't be defunding our job market. police. i would love to be a assuring the evangelical base we won't be dismantling our atlanta police officers?

are we hearing anything from the well-educated black because they that was very nervous about police. police side of things? do have an actual advantage we won't be disbanding our donald trump and mike pence police. today. >> it's sort of the a similar >> this morning i'll talk to question i had to tim scott. provided them a familiar face in senator tim scott who is leading and that's why reaction was the efforts on police reform and intentional, chuck. can the president, because of his history, even his recent extent that this guy will govern i have to remind you, we were former defense secretary bob in a way that that will be gates. covering the protest and it was instincts here, can he play a plus the coronavirus spike. specific with our values. half of the u.s. is now seeing a less than six weeks ago and we constructive role without sort of acknowledging views that he >> well, you make an important post-memorial day surge. saw officers now facing charges >> we saw even more acceleration had in the past this no longer at that point in time. and breaking and using tasers on i think people have left their seem to be mainstream? point and the trump worrying guard down. >> so why has the coronavirus task force been silent for them and they were fired and >> i have an easy answer for about a base constituency group nearly 50 days? subsequently another two were that. no. >> my guest this morning fired and this is a pattern when i don't see how president trump infectious disease experts we're trying to take swift action in this. can play any kind of i will say that at least a joseph fair and dr. naheed constructive role in what's that id boobiden has as well. couple of atlanta police going on right now in this meet the press is working with the american film institute, the afi docs institute is going officers that i've spoken to it movement for change because of virtual, obviously, featuring who he is. more than 50 documentaries. bedaia. >> missing poll workers, long is how quickly they're i wish you had the face palm lines. >> why are you so intent upon transpiring. it's an investigation and it emoji for when you were playing staying here? could take weeks and months that tape of him on fox news we love our partnership with it's important for me. before charges are brought. them and i'm looking forward to it's important for my son. this, i hope you will, too. >> why this is a big, flashing so certainly a very stunning thank you for trusting us and warning sign for november. >> joining us for insight and speed with which this was happening, chuck? talking about abe lincoln and >> blaine alexander getting that's very trump talking about analysis are nbc news capitol things started for us at the how much he's done for the black we'll be back next sunday, community and you can see from hill correspondent casey hunt. scene at the wendy's in atlanta. his actions and the action of because if it's sunday, it's "meet the pre." and tim alberta, chief political senator tim scott who is -- has the administration, that's patently untrue and there's nobody that can make that

been tapped to lead the correspondent for politico. republican effort. defense or that case for welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press". senator scott, welcome back to president trump and when you look at what he did, i've been "meet the press," and i just >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in want to get your reaction to so focussed this past week on what you've seen in atlanta in the military and what's been television history this is "meet the last 48 hours and what you going on between president trump and the military, but when you the press" with chuck todd. make of the swift action that look at what he did on has already taken place with the firing of the police officer and confederate bases when he another fatal shooting of an the resing nation of the police african-american man at the hands of police, this time in chief? immediate >> i think the mayor decided to atlanta, has led to the protest immediately slammed down pentagon efforts and they didn't and resignation of the city's fire the officer and have their say they would absolutely do it chief resign in order to perhaps police chief. quell the response from the and they started in such an a it happened friday night at a wendy's restaurant, after he community. em. >>ic way and a bipartisan that video is disturbing to watch, but i'm not sure that commission to talk and trump shut that down immediately and fought with one of the officers and was running away with one of he infuriated his senior it's as clear as what we've seen military officials who were just the officer's taser guns. around the country on other ready to throw their hands up in as news spread, protesters took issues that's driven us to the to the streets and the wendy's conversation about police reform itself was set on fire. and the conversation is the air. necessary and very important. so the idea that this guy will keisha lance bottoms moved that situation is an outliar and play a constructive role in this quickly, firing the police movement for change in the officer who fired the fatal shot it has brought us to where we united states i think is are as it relates to police and announced that police preposterous. reform and george floyd. >> tim misreading his own base? i think he instinctively assumes cheeverichief >> the issue of use of force and his base is going to rise up on erica shields was stepping down. when do you escalat this confederate name change >> i have called for the like that, i feel like that is immediate termination of the thing.

part of this larger conversation i don't fully see it that way, officer. you're seeing there. >> the second officer involved had been placed on do you? administrative duty. >> no. it's at the margin, chuck, as our own blaine alexander is at as part of police reform, should with everything else the there be a federal standard on president does. i think he has such a myopic use of force and when it's wendy's restaurant. focus on his face that he blaine, was there quite a bit of required and when it isn't. doesn't recognize that polg time when things were sort of >> it's difficult to establish a ticks is a coalition business and that a lot of the votes that routine until they weren't. help get him across the finish >> absolutely. codified and law standard for line in 2016 were coming from it was a very sharp escalation use of force. wealthy, affluent, two-car there in that video that we saw in the body camera video. there are millions of scenarios garage suburbs where voters are that play out and what we've try not only turned off by his let me set the scene. you see the aftermath behind me. to the ashgs chief through the rhetoric around race, but up until minutes ago or so, legislation is finding the best specifically, when he gets to practice of use of force around issues of the confederate flag parts of the wendy's were still the country and they provide or the protests in nfl stadiums, smoldering and i have to say that clarity and guidance for these are voters who culturally those departments who may need even standing out here through to have a better perspective on have drifted further and further our masks we can smell the smoke from these traditional republican positions of in the air. use of force. orthodoxy and now the president it's hanging heavily in the air, so we're getting at it, but i'm has a choice to make heading not sure we'll ever codify in toward november. law a use of force standard. do you begin to soften ever so and >> so if you can't codify it in slightly? do you moderamoduleate, or do ye morning. the fact that there are six the law, what would a best different angles at least of practice look like? video that show exactly what have you identified a local police force that you think is happened, what unfolded in this doing it right when it comes to wendy's parking lot friday trying to create use of --

night. one of them eyewitness video, to take these hard line different training, better positions believing that, if he surveillance video by the training when it comes to use of georgia bureau of investigation force? >> i think you've seen under the and four different angles from previous administration and under this administration, we're does not do something. police officers. >> when you look at that focusing, at least i am to get >> speaking of this morning, new details surveillance video you see the from the medical examine're the former police officers and final moments of rayshard current police officers and we're about toour next segment. office rayshard brooks died from two civilians to work on a gunshot wounds to the back brooks' life. commission to help us discern during his confrontation with we do know that this was what it looks like to have when we come back, the chang atlanta police something taken on surveillance the stark warning from dr. video. officers were called to the effective policies that lead to anthony fauci. scene because he had fallen we won't be back to normal for better outcomes and those intent at least a year. asleep in his car blocking the this as we're seeing spikes in split-second decisions. various parts of the country as drive through and that's why the reopening waves continue they were called to the scene. that's what we are achieving when you take a look at the have you heard of food police body camera, there were throughout the commission with studies of use of force and two things that stood out strongly to me. other aspects of it. one is you see on the video deserts? the covid pandemic is widening there are more aspects like the choke hold. officers search brooks and find the gap for healthy foods for this is a policy whose time has many nascar is the first sport to come and gone. have fans back in th we have to tackle that in policy and tackle it on the state level and the president is looking at it from an executive order and mornings were made for better things every single aspect wants to than rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. tackle the issue of choke holds and that's part of that entire when considering another treatment, conversation around the ask about xeljanz xr,

a once-daily pill for adults with moderate de-escalation of force. >> i want to show quite a few to severe rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis local and state communities have already enacted reform measures. for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. it can reduce pain, swelling, six states have governors have issued executive orders or the and significantly improve physical function. legislature has passed reform xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections like tb; and signed them into law and a whole bunch of communities that we'll show in a scroll or police don't start xeljanz if you have an infection. taking a higher than recommended dose departments have instituted things like a ban on the choke of xeljanz for ra can increase risk of death. hold. i know miami-dade did that, serious, sometimes fatal infections, among others, but on the federal cancers including lymphoma, and blood clots have happened. level, what has the most as have tears in the stomach or intestines, momentum here? what is the most consensus? serious allergic reactions, and changes in lab results. the democrats want to track tell your doctor if you've been somewhere police misconduct and they want fungal infections are common, to end no-knock warrants and or if you've had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. qualified immunity for police don't let another morning go by officers. choke hold, there's a lot of without asking your doctor about xeljanz xr. consensus. where are you on the other three? >> no knocks, we want to understand. there's no database on no knocks. we don't know when it's used, to a newlywed... whom it's used, the race, the a guy who just got into college... sex, the age. that's why behind these masks,

johnson & johnson scientists are working we know nothing on no knock except for the breonna taylor to accelerate development of a covid-19 vaccine, situation which was tragic without question. drawing on decades of experience i want to take the breonna responding to public health emergencies taylor case and have an act that like ebola and hiv. requires more data to be provided so we can come out with for the life behind every mask, policies that are consistent the clock never stops and neither do we. with the best use of no knocks or the e limb nation limination. i know the house bill said let's just eliminate it for drug cases and we have no information that ♪ ♪ supports that that is the best way to go. welcome back. data download time. we've said it before, donald i'm good to have the trump is making a mark on the conversation and if we get to republican party, and it may be the end of the road and whether that he's reshaping the it's a local or state approach democratic party, as well. on the choke hold, that will be changing those of either major on the table. political party. rather, there is a national registry or a local department data from the pugh research by department registry around center show the shifts in the the misconduct and that will be on the table, as well. make up of both parties since there are approaches that are 2015 just before mr. trump very similar and somewhat entered the race five years ago different at the same time. i think we'll get you a bill tomorrow. let's start with the that actually becomes law. ever-widening political divide

among men and women. >> i was just going to say. in 2015 there was a gender gap. it seems as though your disputes republican his an eight-point are more on edge with men and they leaned democratic by 12. get to the goal whether it's combine that with data from 2018 financial incentives to and 2019 and by then they were encourage change versus mandates. holding steady with men and 18% is that the -- do you think there are more disputes on with women. implementation than on the in 2015, eprepublicans only hel larger goal? >> chuck, let me just put some an edge among white voters and skin on that comment you just made. as much as 71 points among black so the house bill reduces money votes. that advantage among whites is slipping and only plus 11 and away from state on the choke look at the right in the huge hold issue. we take it by department by jump in asian-americans identifying as democrats in just department. on the qualified immunity, four years. something you mentioned. dramatic. and then there's the other great i would be interested in desertification of officers. divide in this country, r that's a union issue that's hard geography. republican was the party of to get at. qualified immunity on the right. choice in the suburbs and with that's an issue that most rural voters and in the 2018 and republicans don't like at all to 2019 numbers, democrats gained include myself. the question is is there a path in urban areas and we're almost even in the suburbs and

forward for the necessity to republicans made big gains with rural americans and the eliminate bad behavior? republican party who was once the bastion of wealthy, white, is there a path for it? i don't know if it's qualified establishment voters is looking more like the home of working immunity, but there will be more class and rural white voters. information provided to the that's a shrinking demographic. public so that we can make concrete decision, but if we're it was enough for president trump to eke out an electoral that close on making progress, i college and it could be a hope we don't let partisanship problem for the party as the country continues to change. get in the way. country continues to change. >> let me ask you about the ♪ president and the role he plays here. you know, he's even now called demonstrators thugs. he's uncomfortable with some of (vo) we could never do what they do. the -- he's talked about things but what we can do, is be a partner that never quits. he doesn't want to see and calling qualified immunity a verizon is the most reliable network in america nonstarter and there's his own and puts first responders first. history when it comes to race when it's remarkably consistent giving their calls priority 24/7. and not in a big way. we built it for interoperability. can he play a role here that because during an emergency, sharing critical information should never be limited gets this across the finish line by your choice of network. without sort of apologizing for and we're the number-one network for public safety. some of his views on race over the years? which is much more than a statistic

when you're talking about people who dedicate their lives to saving lives. >> a, i think the answer is yes. for us, we're in the reliability business. b, i think he iss engaging now n like we always have been. a way that is constructive and 365 days a year. best, helpful and the executive order they think will come out on so they can too. tuesday really does reference a national database strengthening and a national database police misconduct from my understanding and it talks about the importance of co-responders from a mental health perspective that both law enforcement and communities like that approach. i think he's weighing in at the right time in a constructive manner. i'll look at yesterday's speech at west point where he talked about the powerful institutions of authority in this country and how they eliminated desegregation and broke the back of it and how the civil war led to the freedom of african-americans in this country and his approach yesterday at west point is what we'd like to see a whole lot more of because it was constructive and it is important that all three levers of government work together to solve what is, in fact, the

original sin of this country. if we do that, i think the american people will celebrate neither party, but the fact that we work together as one country. >> senator scott, considering that the trump campaign ended up planning a rally in tulsa of all places on juneteenth, they've since moved it. i'm curious, do you think juneteenth or a federal holiday already sort of marked in a way -- one of the ways we use our federal holidays is for remembrance, for education and things like that, that a mistake like that happenedn't have happened? >> i would say the more information we have and obviously, if it was a national holiday, we would all know about june tenth and we'd all have opportunity to celebrate it and there would be fewer mistakes on that day. one of the aspects of the lg legislation is providing resources in a similar fashion

as it's done in the holocaust museum. to celebrate juneteenth and the tulsa oklahoma race riot and 100 years ago next year. we think the more education and information we provide the better people behave in all corridors and specifically within the law enforcement community and we have the opportunity to do that. we provide the resources for the historical perspective in understanding. >> what about a federal holiday? >> listen, i'm open to it and i've been talking to my friends throughout the country including at the white house. i think that's a brilliant idea and the conservatives in the house say they seem to be interested in that so you never know what may happen. >> senator tim scott, the republican from south carolina you'll unveil more of this. thanks for coming in and sharing your perspective. >> thanks, chuck.

>> the clearing of protesters from lafayette square led to condemn nation con condemnation by military leaders and he publicly regretted taking part in the incident. >> i should not have been there. my presence in that moment and that environment gates who served as secretary of defense for president george w. bush and barack obama. he is also the author of a new welcome back. the panel is with us again, and book "exercise of power." i guess since we're a day closer secretary gate, welcome back to to the democratic convention, "meet the press." we're a day close -- we can say vice president biden is one day closer to picking his general millie's speech late this week after a number of runningmate because at some attempts to put some distance point he has to pick one. i want to put up nine candidates between what happened. and the first screen of six your reaction, was it candidates appears to be almost appropriate and did he do it the consensus top six in various soon enough? reporting outlets are the times

a.p., val demings, kamala >> i think he really wrestled, harris, keisha lance bottoms and chuck, how to respond when he new mexico's governor susan rice realized how the appearances of and elizabeth warren. him being present for that the next page here, there are various reports, tammy photo-op seemed to the rest of the country. duckworth, tammy baldwin and amy i think -- i've known mark klobuchar that they're also being vetted in some form or millie for a long time and he's another. a man of great integrity and casey hunt, i think what's notable is if you take a look at takes his responsibilities as a the consensus top six, four of military officer very seriously. i think the important thing was the six are african-americans that he made the statement and made it with all sincerity and and five of the six are women of color. >> that's right, chuck, and i frankly, that, plus his think it's very clear that that statement, the written statement to senior commanders around the is a significant consideration in this moment. he certainly is under a lot of world around the apolitical pressure to choose a woman of nature of the american military color, although i would note sent a powerful signal and re-emphasized the importance of that jim clyburn who is someone the military staying out of politics and frankly, not that's had the vice president's ear on this says it's not getting used. all of the presidents i worked necessarily a requirement that for like to use the military as they do that. i do think also the thing that a prop. is probably weighing the most i think this president's heavily is that there say very probably taken that to a new real sense that they need to level, but theery sensitive abo make sure that they are choosing

exploited in that way. someone who voters, and particularly, independent voters >> you know, another aspect feel confident could step into that's come under scrutiny with the top job were that necessary the military, as one hand as an and that set of quailifications institution, it's perhaps more is particularly important in this instance. integrated than any other major they don't want to repeat a institution in this country and mistake that john mccain made last week we had the first-ever when he selected sarah palin and it raised questions about his military chief judgment in her ability to take the military branches be an over. >> you know, helene cooper, i african-american. think about some of the top so how far behind do you think candidates here. the military has been at least you've got val demings who has on its upper levels and why is not run for statewide office that? you've seen it. what do you think that is? before and susan rice who has not run for office before and is that a systemic racism issue? has a ton of national security >> i don't know if it's systemic credentials and val demings, a lot of credibility on law racism in the military. enforcement issues being a the military for a long time was former police chief and kamala out in front of the country when harris, who has run a national it came to integration and campaign. offering opportunities for there are different ways of looking at this. african-americans and other which way do you think biden is more concerned about what at minorities, but i think one of this point? the points that general millie has made this week is that the >> i in the moment that military is going have to pay we're in right now, obviously more attention to how it moves the push for an african-american

officers and minority officers woman is probably something that into the most senior positions. there have always been, and vice president biden has been focusing on a lot, but let's assume that this moment sort of eases at some point and then you colin powell, and the commander get to the whole -- both the in iraq during the period when i was secretary so there have been electability issue and also the issue of who can step in once -- a number of african-americans, but as you point out this was if given his age, if he actually the first african-american wins. so he's got to balance who can service chief. in all honesty, the first help him beat trump and who four-star woman was appointed looks like they are going to be qualified enough to step in on while i was secretary and that was pretty far into the process, day one because of his age and as well. so i think the military is that's where you start leaning really focused now on how and seeing him lean more towards maybe the senators and maybe the kamala harris or maybe elizabeth warren. it's such a tricky road to hoe regularly minorities and particularly african-americans for him. are moved into the most senior you know, val demings looks positions in the military. fantastic right now when you >> i'm curious on you changing look at her on paper she did a the names of the southern really good job during the institutions and the banning of impeachment trial in the eyes of many people and there's still a confederate paraphernalia in the lot to consider and i still marines. are all of these things whose think that he might takeme

time, a little bit more time time has come? >> i think that the opportunities are presented by events, and i think we now have the opportunity, particularly to change the names of our military facilities and i've always puzzled over the fact that we don't have a fort george washington or a fort ulysses s. grant, so i think the time has come, and i think there is the opportunity not only to name some of these places for smome f our great generals of the 20th century and also individuals such as african-american andf h recipients and so on. we've done that in naming ships. we just haven't done it with our facilities. >> you've had some tough words on both of the two potential men who are meeting in the next presidential election. here's what you wrote about joe biden in 2014. joe is a man of integrity and

incapable of hiding what he thinks and one of those people you can turn to in crisis, still, i think he is wrong in policy. does that make it hard for you to support him for president? >> well, i think the important thing is the quality of his character and i have a lot of policy disagreements with the former vice president, but i think one of the things that people will be weighing this fall is probably the character of the two contestants. >> well, let me put up what you said about president trump in 2016. you were pretty tough on him, as well. let me read this quote. he is stubbornly about the way he views the world and temperamentally unsuited to lead

the men and women in uniform and being commander in chief. >> write about this in the book, at least he hasn't started any new wars, and he has robustly funded the military. i supported his outreach to north korea. it hasn't come to anything, but i thought that was a bold move and everything else had failed in the previous 25 years. i thought his challenging china was about time, but there's the other side of the coin. some of the things he says, his treatment and words about military people and military heroes like john mccain that i admire a lot and they're troublesome. >> is this the case where character trumps policy for you? >> i think that will be up to the voters of the country.

>> secretary gates, i'm going to leave it there. i'm glad you brought up north korea, if i had more time i would ask you about an interesting comment from your book about north korea and about whether it's time for us to accept them as a nuclear power among the many interesting things you write about, i encourage folks to pick it up. thanks for coming on and sharing your perspectives, sir. >> thank you, chuck. coming up, a surge in coronavirus cases

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welcome back. the cdc and white house coronavirus task force aren't talking about it much, but the united states is on another surge with covid cases pep 25 states and puerto rico have seen wo weeks.

overall we've seen 2 million confirmed cases in the united states and 116,000 people have died since february. what does this all mean for the hopes of getting back to something approaching normal in the near future? joining me now our virologist joseph baird who recovered from covid-19 himself, and dr. bedalia. dr. baird, let me start with you because i would like you to share a little bit about your from your experience? >> first of all, i did not have any underlying conditions and i'm not a triathlete or anything like that, but i was generally very healthy and could run and exercise four or five times a week. being said, i did not expect that i would get that ill because i didn't have any of those underlying conditions and i'm 42 years old and you would not think that i would be one of

those people would bet that ill and hospital iedzing myself when i was doing the self-treatment. that the the worst i've ever felt. i probably spent 23 out of 24 hours in bed and obviously, i developed the secondary pneumonia and at the end and the struggle with breathing and everything else. i was shocked at how severe my il

everyone that is going out without masks now and being cavalier with that and ignoring this ongoing pandemic and we used the analogy and the band played on with hiv and its response from the early days and that's really the analogy that we should be using with coronavirus now to a much greater extent and those people that are young and invincible

don't think that it will affect them that greatly. i can say that my own experience was the complete opposite. i can't say that i had a brush with death, but it was enough to put me in the icu for four days and in the hospital for six days. >> for both of you and dr. bedalia, first to you. we're seeing spikes across the country and we've broken it up by region and you can see the northeast and the midwest and those are going down and when you break it up in the south and the west, both of those curves are going up. what does this tell you, dr. bedalia about what the rest of the summer's going to look like? >> summy, ter, when the coastal state his their peak we all locked down around the same time and the lack of movement protected them from the influx and new cases coming in and the evidence to me in the south and

some of the other places is that we opened too early in those states, that we didn't have the ability to basically trace down those chains of transmission and stop them once people s.t.a.r.t.started mingles and hospitalizations are going on. we talked about arizona and they're at 84% inpatient bed use. in north carolina, they're inching at 80% or 79%. so it's not just the cases and the fact that at this point hospitals are at risk of getting overwhelmed and that is signaling to me that the states are already behind and they should consider potentially whether they should be rolling back, at least not progressing with further reopening and they should be rolling back reopening and considering lockdowns in certain counties when there are a lot of disease fatigue and you have state officials who politically don't want to have to pull back or are

tired of doing this. had we at the beginning had more aggressive testing and contact tracing being we have been able to sort of have regional shutdowns at the beginning of this so then there would be more comfort today, for instance, protect us from the shutdown because they didn't shutdown before? does this go back to our initial blindness to where this virus was three months ago? >> absolutely. i can say one of the things that you and i spoke about very early on was the need for a nationwide shutdown and i explained at the time that unless we all do it it's moot to do it and not with the united states and the porous borders, and i think having not done that early on, we missed a huge opportunity to contain and even potentially eradicate this virus and we're always going have travel in and out of the united states and vice versa, but that being said we could

have truly mitigated its effects and we missed that opportunity so now we have so many cases that as i said earlier this week, we risked the virus with the pandemic in the united states and that will have derivative effects to it such as the united states banning its citizens from traveling to it because we're a covid-19 hot spot. >> i was going to say you used this word endemic the other day, dr. fair, meaning we're not going to have second waves. no, we're not, it will be one long, continuous until we get the vaccine at this point. is that your assessment? >> i just think that at this point in time we have so many people that have this virus. we are not only not putting down the stricter measures. we are loosening the measures we had in place and so those will continue to rise and once we get past a virus like this which is seasonal and we don't see it yet

being seasonal, but once it gets so ingrained in the population there's not a point that we can come back from that other than getting a vaccine in place. that just means we'll have it in the country until a vaccine is here. >> dr. bhedalia, it is clear that weal see political rallies and facilities where public officials think it will be a good idea. if you were to go into a room with 15,000 people how would you do it to protect yourself or would you even bother? >> i guess i would start i would not take that risk and it's a risk assessment that everyone would make for themselves and it's a bad idea for states that are already seeing increases in cases to then have this large, this perfect storm setup. the idea of tons of people where one sick person can have an impact of generating secondary cases on this immense level where it's indoors and no

ventilation, and so, i would introduce physical distancing and i would require everybody to wear a mask, and actually stay home if you're sick and once you've attended a rally, get tested. >> dr. joseph fair and nahid bhadalia, always a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you, chuck. as confederate

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panelists are joining us from remote locations. casey hunt, and helene pentagon correspondent for "the new york times," the largest sustained protest in 50 years is also, i think, turning the voting public decidedly against the president. the killing of george floyd, the racially disparate impact of the pandemic and the violent police riots has shown what the future may hold if we continue along this path of inequality, exclusion and authoritarianism. casey hunt, are you seeing -- are the actions we're watching on capitol hill sort of in some ways proof that jamal's right about this? >> chuck, i think what you heard from tim scott at the beginning of the broadcast says everything

you need to know about this. even at the beginning of this past week there was a sense that republicans weren't going to make significant policy moves beyond the data collection and tim scott spoke to ways in which data collection is important and he also in the interview suggested that they'll go beyond that in this and you would not be seeing that reflected in what they are actually doing if they weren't seeing the exact kind of political movement that you just described here. i mean, the shift on this has been fast and deep and you know, if the lawmakers are seeing it this quickly that tells you how significant it is. i will also just say i think republicans are pretty lucky that they have a leader in tim scott who brings so much credibility to this issue and his measured approach, i think, has gone quite -- it's gone quite a long way in convincing his colleagues to start to make

these changes. >> tim alberta, you wrote about the phrase law and order and how it doesn't have the same meaning politically anymore on the right. >> you know, chuck, it doesn't. and obviously, post-2012, republicans began to have this conversation about how do we st soften the image of the party and how do we expand our appeal to these non-traditional communities and they talked about immigration reform and other issues, but they didn't talk at all about this issue of systemic injustice and institutional racism and police disproportionately targeting and brutalizing the african-american community and that is now taking place inside the republican party in a way that was unimaginable just a few years ago. the outcome this november. the writing is clearly on the wall for a lot of these republicans now. the polling is just remarkable.

frank lund spoke to it earlier this week. he said i've been doing this for 30 years and i've never seen public opinion so quickly, and there is a clear line of delineation that the spring of 2020, and they recognize that regardless of what the president is doing that they need to address th address this issue in order to be question is whether he