then we can talk about the with us. thank you, sir reforms because what this >> thanks, chuck matters right now is what mattered three days ago before she died and that is that people have to vote and they vote and when we come back, i'll talk to the person who suggested bill they have to vote as michelle obama said like their life clinton name ruth bader ginsburg depends on it. >> well, i think you think to the supreme court they're going to do that, but as it's former first lady, secretary of state and you know, trying to get some democratic presidential nominee folks to stick by their word is something that seems to be very hard these days. democratic presidential nominee hillary clinton. so again, assuming you don't get that, there's going to be confirmation hearings before election day, do you think you can stop a confirmation vote and walmart made that path open for me. this sunday, another political crisis in a year of before election day? crises without the $1 a day program, the death of justice ruth bader ginsburg i definitely don't think i'd be in school right now. >> again, as senator schumer >> i've said many times that i will do this job as long as i says, there are a lot of things we can try to do, but in the end each week for me in school is just an accomplishment. can do it full steam i'm not going to concede any of >> and the epic supreme court i feel proud every step of the way. fight ahead. that because my colleagues and i >> i will be putting forth a do have some facts on my side here nominee next week. it will be a woman >> president trump says he wants you have a number of them that to replace ginsburg without delay. haven't said what they're going >> he's going to nominate one of to do. you have a number of them that have said that the next those justices i'm going to vote for their president should make the confirmation. >> but democrats insist the decision you have the president of the only time a justice died this . senate should wait

>> voters should pick the president and the president should pick the justice. he made a decision to wait until >> president trump hopes this after close to an election, abraham will up end a race he's losing, lincoln was president and he made a decision to wait until after the election, and you have but is there any evidence it the fact that the people are voting right now, and i think that creates pressure on my is will i'll talk to former democratic presidential nominee hillary clinton. democratic senator amy klobuchar about. they don't want to have the of the judiciary committee and affordable care act thrown out the third ranking republican in the senate, john barrasso. plus an administration at war when you colleagues, honestly, that's what a democracy is about. with itself. covid deaths hit 200,000 and they don't want the affordable care act thrown out when you have hundreds of millions of americans with pre-existing president trump fighting his own conditions are you kidding me that's in front of us. experts on vaccines and on face they don't want more money thrown into the elections or ot masks. >> this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against justice while the fires are blazing on the west coast and they don't covid than when i take a covid want other justices that are so conservative that they say vaccine. agencies can't make decisions to regulate air and water no they want to have an america that reflects them >> it's not more effective than any means by any vaccine and i called him about that. is just an accomplishment. >> i'll talk to health and human i'm a verizon engineer. and i'm part of the team building... services secretary alex azar senator klobuchar, democrat from ...a powerful 5g experience for america. how covid is affecting president minnesota on the senate judiciary committee. it's 5g ultra wideband, trump's re-election chances. if there are hearings, thanks and it's already available in parts of select cities. our wall street journal poll on like los angeles. and in new york city. for coming on and sharing your covid, leadership and where the perspective. presidential race stands with >> look forward to seeing you again. and it's rolling out in cities around the country. chuck, thank you six weeks to go. with massive capacity. welcome to sunday, and a spe it's like an eight-lane highway

compared to a two-lane dirt road. four years ago antonin scalia, confirmation just hiss 25x faster than today's 4g networks. to wait for voters to decide the next president in fact, it's the fastest 5g in the world. >> the american people are about from the network more people rely on. this is 5g built right. >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is a to weigh in. only on verizon. special edition of "meet the >> a campaign is already under press" with chuck todd way. >> voters will get to weigh in. good sunday morning and a happy rosh hashanah. >> it's about the principal. >> you don't do this in an election year. in a year of crises, >> the american people will choose. impeachment, and economy, the >> let the american people consider it as part of deciding death of rating bader ginsburg who to support in november set off a battle welcome back. a welcome back as you probably know by now, it was president bill clinton who who to support introduced ruth bader ginsburg to the general public and named >> that was when democrat barack her to the supreme court do you know who introduced bill obama was in the white house now clinton to ruth bader ginsburg a powerful advocate for women's many of the same senators you just saw are saying don't wait president trump should get to it was hillary clinton who choose ginsburg's successor thought she would make a fine supreme court justice and the rights and an unlikely cultural immediately, that does include former secretary of state, icon died friday night days before her death, she dictated a statement to her my next guest the chair of the republican conference in the senator clinton, welcome back to senate and it's john barrasso. granddaughter. welcome back to "meet the my most fervent wish is that i will not be replaced until a new press. "meet the press. before we get started into take us back to those president is installed politics, what do you think justice ginsburg's legacy is in your mind? conversations you were having she may not get that wish. with president clinton at that challenged with a political time and just what made you >> a heroic and historic figure. advocate for ruth bader this is a great loss for our ginsburg country.

environment both president trump here in wyoming we think of her and mitch mcconnell seized the moment, the president moved to as a trail blazer in so many >> well, chuck, i had known ruth bader ginsburg for a number of replace ginsburg, promising to ways because we should the years, and i had followed her nominate a woman this week work a number of taken after antonin scalia died western spirit of grit, in february than any nominee endurance and determination. should await the results of the election putting out a statement friday she showed that every day and a night saying president trump's nominee will receive a vote on the floor of the united states role model for many. y you might not believe this, i was a great admirer of her chuck, for young men and women groundbreaking litigation both who went into the law, she as a lawyer and a law professor, senate inspired a generation, and i chuck schumer put out his own statement that was word for word think she is going to be long and i knew that she had served what mcconnell said in 2016. remembered for the trail that on the court of appeals she blazed this vacancy should not be appointed by president carter filled until we have a new with great distinction not only president. because of her razor-sharp there is so much at stake. >> senator, i want to get into will this up end a presidential the politics four years ago, you were emphatic in various ways and you intellect and her ability to election where nothing yet has heard it in the list of clips. moved the numbers? what effect could this have on you would add on at different close senate races particularly in republican-leaning states and times i want to give the do senate republicans even have american people a voice in this. frame arguments to make them effective, but how well she got the votes to confirm a nominee immediately? why don't you want to give the along with her colleagues american people a voice this time including at that time judge i'll be talking to hillary scalia before he was elevated to >> let's be very clear the supreme court. clinton in just a few minutes if the shoe were on the other she just seemed to me to have and we begin with nbc justice foot and the democrats had the all the attributes that bill was white house and the senate they looking for, someone who could would right now be trying to get to work right away, someone correspondent pete williams at the supreme court. pete, justice ginsburg has not confirm another member of the supreme court. passed away less than 48 hours >> you don't know that ago, but it seems as if this is >> it is completely consistent who could work with the other moving very fast and we could with the precedent have a nominee very soon justices, someone who could really break ground as a supreme

what can you tell us >> well, i think that's right. of course, remember the supreme court term will start in just what happened in 2016 and let's go back, we were following the court justice. two weeks and the week after the joe biden rule so you're right. election in november, the court i recommended in addition to the joe biden was clearly -- was long list of names that he was will hear one of the most being presented with, he talk a important cases of the term, the clear when he was chairman of the judiciary committee. very hard look at judge big showdown on obama care which he said when there is a senate of one party and a white house ginsburg, and i want to add that of the other and he said this to george herbert walker bush, if probably her most effective the supreme court has twice before rescued now led by a coalition of red states. advocate was her husband marty there is a vacancy in the time year, we will not confirm. a lot has been written and said there's a new challenge to it. 29 times there have been in the last days about justice a couple of thoughts about that, chuck, with her death it leaves the court with eight justices vacancies in the year of a which raises the possibility of presidential election and if ginsburg's stellar record as a tie votes. lawyer, but her love affair, her if the supreme court were to tie on the obama care case it would leave the lower court ruling intact which went against obama care, whether that will be a tie both the white house and the or not i don't know, but the big senate are of the same party long marriage with her partner question is does the whole law they go forward with the confirmation. have to fall in one part of it >> see i scoured -- i've scoured long marriage with her partner all of these 2016 notes looking ma marty was really a sight to the second question is how soon for these footnotes that have behold, and he was -- he was in can the senate act on a nominee? been added now her corner from the very moment you have this new explanation. he met her at cornell to the never once on the senate floor normally, if the time from a when an election is month away very end. president's nomination of a in 2016 you said people should >> yeah. >> and i was delighted when bill candidate all of the way to said, well, i'd like to meet her confirmation is 70 days, we're what and sit and talk with her, and 44 days until the election be allowed to consider possible supreme court nominees as one so we arranged for her to come that could mean a senate vote if factor in deciding who they'll in very carefully under the support for president. they follow the normal schedule after the election, and of this shouldn't be even radar on a sunday, and they had

controversial. you say it's not about the course, it's possible. we don't even know who the person and it's about the principle involved and want to the best conversation. president is going to be if give the american people a voice in this. there are contentious fights in it was like a master class in it should not be a bitter the states over the election political fight. constitutional analysis, and at which could end up before the we should call on the president supreme court, chuck to spare the country this fight. the end he told me, wow. >> pete, there seems to be two she really is the real deal. the best way to avoid the fight is to agree to let the people decide >> let me go to the politics of names we're hearing the most senator, these are your words. not once did you say oh, it depends on what party the senate the court, but i don't want to do it through the last four about. holders have the party of the years. i want to go back to one title i one a judge named amy coney president. didn't use was f barrett and another a judge named barbara lagoa. this just sounds like a power you were there for eight years grab, pure and simple. >> well, it is the biden rule and this is the way, this is the of these judicial wars which now what can you tell us about these precedent of the country -- seem so -- they look like little two women? >> there is no biden rule! skirmishes to where we are >> amy coney barrett, any person today. that the president nominates will be more conservative than >> you haven't had since 1888 how broken is this process justice ginsburg was, but in when a party of the senate and some ways she would be the polar opposite of ruth bader ginsburg because she's a pretty clear the white house were at different parties that anyone opponent of abortion and that >> oh, absolutely broken, chuck, was confirmed and that was the and i was able to watch your may be a key point for the president. situation with merrick garland w he'll want to nominate somebody previous interviews with who is determined to overturn senators klobuchar and barrasso, roe v. wade. he said that at the end of and senator barrasso is doing a, george w. bush's term, with president bush and the remember, chuck, we will have republican in the white house, six -- five conservatives now if epic job trying to defend the the president gets another nominee, six conservatives so indefensible the court would be solidly with eric reed and chuck schumer conservative for decades to come the system has been broken for

quite a while, but clearly the in charge of the senate that decision that mitch mcconnell they would not confirm, but now that you have both parties in >> pete williams at the supreme the white house and the senate, made back in 2016 in the midst court this morning historically, the confirmation pete williams, thank you goes forward and that's what's now joining me now is nbc news going to happen here capitol hill correspondent kasie of that presidential election, hunt but at a much earlier time when so kasie, what's realistic here justice scalia unexpectedly happen the senate will be back in session and the president's passed away should be the standard now update, they talk about we had other you heard pete williams say the going to make a nomination, i believe this week. >> look, i get that, but average time is over standards before, well, they we are 44 days away from the senator, nobody -- nobody in the senate republican conference was made a new precedent and the new election ironically, the last time somebody got nominated and arguing these fine footnote confirmed in less than 44 days was ruth bader ginsburg which points that you and your actually happened in 42 days presidential which they defended what's the realistic time line colleagues argue now i want to play a clip from you incredibly passionately was to on capitol hill? from 2018 from lindsay graham. wait for the next president, >> well, chuck, i think the take a listen. whoever that is, to make the person you want to watch in this is obviously mitch mcconnell, nomination, but as you clearly >> if an opening comes in the the republican leader and while heard, that is not what they are last year of president trump's intending and it's another blow there are practical questions about the timing, there are also to our institutions. political questions, and i think you know, what's happening in that is going to drive every term, term and the primary process has conversation and every decision our country is incredibly about this started we'll wait until the dangerous. there are two things mitch next election, and i've got a pretty good chance of being -- our institutions are being mcconnell cares about, maintaining the republican >> you're on the record. >> yeah. control of the senate which, of basically undermined by the lust course, is on the line coming up >> all right >> hold the tape on election day and getting a >> senator, i guess the question for power, power for personal o conservative supreme court conse

is, should viewers -- should viewers just not believe're say so if you think about it in gain in the case of the president or power for those terms there are some political arguments for waiting depe anything you're saying today until after the election to have a vote on the floor of the institutional gain in the case gain in the case of the president or power for institutional gain in the case senate because whatever you're saying there are also political reasons today will change depending on of mitch mcconnell at the cost to try and have a confirmation the politics of the moment >> i can tell you what's going of ensuring that our hearing before election day that institutions withstand whatever would keep this in the news on the political wins might be, but they made this decision if 2016 to happen, chuck, for viewers and they held account for it the front burner who are watching, the president will make a nomination it's something the traditional i believe it's going to be this republicans, perhaps republicans week and lindsay graham, chairman of the judiciary >> you know, i'm curious, can we who have problems with president trump, but have supported the committee, we will hold hearings ever get to a point when there party for a long time, it's will be a detente in this? something that matters to them and there will be a vote on the quite a bit and many of these floor of the united states republican senate candidates senate this year you heard senator barrasso's rationale. have been running a couple of he's predicting future behavior. points in polls behind where president trump is against joe the president has a list of 20 it reminded me of the movie biden and republicans see this potential nominees and he "minority report" and that's a issue as something that could scary process, if we start help them there, but of course, mentioned several of them last anticipating future behavior the outcome of the election that leads us into a horrible night and i think that if the president really wanted to make a powerful, positive statement direction, how do you ever get a could then also drive this by coming forth with a woman nominee, there are qualified detente in these political wars? women on his list and someone because the next question is who could then be a role model for future attorneys and for young women and young men does mitch mcconnell have the looking into the law, that would votes? be the right move for this >> chuck, i think we are in a there is a certain element of president soon very dangerous point in americaa risk of waiting until election >> senator, i just want to quote you back to yourself one more time we have called on the president to spare the country this fight. day, because if joe biden were the best way to avoid this fight detente in these political wars? to win in a landslide and many to agree to let the people >> chuck, i think of these republicans were to decide history, and there's been a lose their seats that may take mcconnell's new vote out of give the people a voice.

tension and he may no longer concerted effort, as you well have to worry about maintaining the majority and they would have why is it that this -- this know, going back decades now, to principle only matters when a a different calculation about how to handle this democrat is in the white house >> it's not that at all, chuck turn the clock back on progress chuck? if we did something different that has open doors to people >> kasie hunt, i think you laid now we would be breaking with otherwise left out and it out there very well the time line that we're headed marginalized, women, minorities for i think is hearings first and then we'll see what happens the precedent that has long been and women obviously, there has on election day. kasie hunt established and if the precedent and the senate -- >> what precedent? thank you. >> let me say this one thing because you brought this up with been an effort led by groups of amy and chuck schumer. the federalist society and joining us now is democratic others to use the courts to undo chuck schumer has been very he senator amy klobuchar of minnesota who sits on the judiciary committee. going back to the board of welcome back to "meet the democrats have clear, the democrats have been press". very clear if they win the white house and education, the brown v. board of >> thanks, chuck the senate all bets are off. education decision if you listened carefully and of >> first up, my condolences to they are going to blow up the filibuster you and as an attorney, what do course, was there so much going you believe is justice they are going to use the ginsburg's most important legacy nuclear option that she'll be remembered for? on people didn't necessarily pay >> she was a hero, an icon, a woman way ahead of her time. they are going to stack the when people told her, oh, you supreme court. they've talked about raising the can't even go to law school, she number of -- >> do you believe that attention to a lot of the >> even though ruth bader ginsburg said it's a bad idea and she said it would politicize hearings of the nominees for the court. she said nine is the right shows them and graduates number one in her class number she made landmark decision, the democrats and schumer are in a war room and they've been at this for a long time and these no district and circuit court judge chuck, on equal rights for women ships, it was shocking not only did an unfortunate number of them have absolutely when people said oh, no, you no experience that would qualify

should have a man argue that are the promises that they have made including stacking the them for the federal bench, but case and then she ends up on the a number of them would not even say they agreed with brown v. board of education or with other very court that she argued in precedents, and it's not just a question of choice front of, and again, became senate by making the district of it's a question of whether we're really an international rock columbia -- >> you have no regrets going to continue the move star in her 80s. toward progress by which we mean yeah that is not easy to do with the but you have no regrets that a more perfect union that name notorious rbg everyone has a place in and the senate republicans are going to rights to participate or not, my daughter, like so many young look like hypocrites 44 days and i think people need to people, just worshipped her and before the election for just a complete flip-flop to the understand that this court we at one point had photos taken average american i know you're trying to come up decision is critical to that with these caveats future >> yeah. together, mom, i hope you don't nothing about it makes any sort >> secretary clinton, i of sense to the average person mind, i'm going to cut you out appreciate you coming on and >> this is the consistent sharing your own personal of this photo and i just want it to be me and the notorious rbg when i put it on my facebook principle and policies that have page memories of justice ginsburg and your perspective in all of this. been followed through the thank you very much. history of the united states >> thank you when 29 vacancies occurred years she is one who we must continue of presidential elections. and when we come back, two women who knew justice ginsburg her fight and that is what this is about for me. >> let's talk about the current we're going to be consistent as well as they know washington with all of that, but you're and who have some thoughts about right. politics of this moment. what might happen next my colleague andrea mitchell and there's an election coming up. npr's nina totenberg besides campaigning, besides political pressure, is there a every senate candidate and every mechanical way that senate senator speaks for himself or hair, my sister's hair, democrats, something in the herself. senate rules could somehow as chairman of the conference i prevent this nomination from have great respect for that and neighbor's hair. going forward? (stasha vo) when everything shut down, i thought, "you know what? each one will be called upon to make a decision. people have been asking for online classes for the longest." >> i'm not even getting to the the president will nominate and we will vote this year, chuck.r

it was amazing. business kept growing and senate rules right now, chuck, for a very important reason. i'm not going to concede that growing and growing. when you already have several of my colleagues saying that this (stasha vo) i feel blessed that i can still connect with others. should -- the way this happened so close to the election that support others. the next president should be and i am still going. able to make the decision. the people pick the president and the president picks the justice. that is how this works ♪ eve♪ going faster than a closerollercoaster ♪ look at what abraham lincoln did the last time someone died this close to the election, he ♪ love like yours will surely come my way ♪ waited he waited until after the ♪ a-hey, a-hey-hey election to me, the fact that you've got [music playing] people voting right now including in my state, everything is on the line here health care is on the line there's literally going to be an ♪ love like yours will surely come my way ♪ argument on the affordable care act whether or not people will continue to have healthcare and not get kicked out for pre-existing conditions on november 10th. over time, you go noseblind to the odors in your home. so i think my republican colleagues are the ones, they (background music) but others smell this... have to decide based on what they said before (upbeat music) that's why febreze plug has two alternating scents they set this new precedent in and eliminate odors for 1200 hours. ♪breathe happy febreze... the last -- in 2016 and they've ♪la la la la la. got to follow their own words.

>> but in your mind, which [ aevery box has a mission: precedent is wrong to protect everything inside from everything outside. the one they set in '16 or the one they're trying to create now. >> for me, whatever happened when what's inside matters, before ancient rules, whatever count on boxes. [ doorbell rings ] it is. what matters right now is that paper and packaging. how life unfolds. they just made these statements. they're not beholden to mitch mcconnell. (vo) while you may not be running an architectural firm, they're beholden to the people that voted for them in their own states and as people genuinely, tending hives of honeybees, and mentoring a teenager these hearts broken by justice , -your life is just as unique. a raymond james financial advisor gets to know you, ginsburg's death showing up at the courthouse your passions, and the way you help others. i'm telling you, people are voting in record numbers they were doing this before she died so you can live your life. we know this we know how many people have that's life well planned. been asking for mail-in ballots. we know the numbers and we know that joe biden is leading in states when people thought they couldn't win because people had it they've had it, and we've reached 200,000 deaths with this pandemic so if my colleagues want to look

themselves in the mirror and say what did i just say the last time this happened what's the precedent i set what should i follow they each have to make an welcome back i'm joined right now by two people who knew ruth bader individual decision, and so, for ginsburg very well and have a pretty good idea of how me, that's what this is about. washington works too nina totenberg is legal correspondent for national it's about justice it's about moving forward as the public radio and leading expert on the supreme court and was a senate and the democracy >> all right very close friend of ginsburg let me ask you this. and of course, andrea mitchell, senator schumer told you in a conference call last night, chief correspondent for nbc news and she was also good friends nothing is off the table for next year if leader with ginsburg. mcconnell pushes through this nomination what does that mean for you? welcome to both of you what is nothing off the table? nina, first, i'm sorry i know this has been hard on is this packing the court and is you. it getting rid of filibuster you were with her last week is this statehood? delivering food. what is nothing off the table? just tell us something about define that for us. these last few weeks that justice ginsburg was fighting >> i think he's talking about the fact that there are reforms here that we've all looked at that >> well, she was very weak in you could consider you and i have talked about this before on the show, but again, i'm not going to concede this. the last few the last few weeks suddenly she really seemed to this is the position of a woman deteriorate, and -- but i did who never gave up, right have dinner with her not two when people told her she couldn't do things she kept weeks ago. going. we brought dinner over to the

i'm not going to give up when apartment, and she was still some of my colleagues, when very much herself. three of them -- three of them you know, in the last days when she knew she was -- the end was have said they believe that the next near she dictated this statement to her granddaughter and there were other non-familial witnesses in the room so this isn't just her granddaughter's view, but her granddaughter clara took it down and it said my most fervent wish is that i not be replaced until after the election and the installation of a new president meaning whoeverr that is from the election, and it was -- i think she was really worried about what's happening now, about the maelstrom, the election maelstrom that puts the court in the center of things and that is what i think scared her. >> andrea mitchell, you said this could be -- i think we were quoting you earlier, basically the most ferocious political fight in the history of washington explain.

>> and picking up on what nina said this is exactly what she had hoped to avoid this is what she was trying to outlive, frankly, and she loved collegiality she said, memorably, in a 2016 op ed for "the new york times" "that collegiality was centraly, to the court and that was with her relationship with justice scalia and other justices. note the statements they all issued yesterday were so personal these were not pro forma clarence thomas and his wife, all of them on opposite intellectual poles and political poles and this was a very close relationship and i think she would just hate this, but this fight, when you have the hypocrisy with the democrats hypocrisy with the democrats pointing out and you were saying

barrasso and lindsay graham pointing out and you were saying barrasso and lindsay graham and look at everything they said there is no precedent going back to abraham lincoln of anything happening this quickly >> nina, i want to talk about what a 4-4 court for the short post-election in the health i'm curious, does this make john roberts even more powerful a chief justice is already pretty powerful, but considering he seems to be the only one that might swing on anything? >> well, a 4-4 court would include him to uphold the affordable care act, but he's powerful in the sense that he could, i suppose, suggest to the court and i think they might likely go along with it, that they would wait until the next -- the next person is installed, the next justice is installed and that -- in that case in all likelihood, although nothing is certain, that individual would be the deciding vote there have been -- this is essentially the third major

challenge to the affordable care act in every other one roberts wasn't the only one. roberts was in the first case upheld the mandate, not the mandate, but the mandate as a tax, and then in the second case it was 6-3 with justice kennedy joining roberts, but justice kennedy has retired. now the court, if roberts stuck to it would be 4-4 as pete said earlier the lower court decision would stick, but that wouldn't necessarily mean anything it might not stick for long. a lot depends on who gets elected, whether there is a new law. republicans have not proposed a new law -- i mean, where would we be without those assurances in the law >> andrea mitchell, conventional wisdom is big court fights help republicans because it fires up their base

i saw it released overnight that in 28 hours democratic campaigns of all sorts by act blue, i think they raised some $91 million in 28 hours. is that conventional wisdom going to be flipped on its head? >> it could well be. look at the thousands who have been turning out on the supreme court steps and it became a national movement last night, the prayers, the songs, the flowers. the young people this could galvanize young women. look at the celebrity notorious rbg, and you know, i'm also -- when i think about her, i think so much about marty ginsburg i think about when he meant to her and what she said early -- earlier in her life is that he was the first boy who ever cared about the fact that she had a brain.hared with sandra day that is so central to who she was, the discrimination she faced and the discrimination she shared with sandra day o'connor for her loneliness as the only woman on the court this could be what donald trump

really needs. >> i appreciate you coming on o wish more elected officials acted like members of the supreme court. they clearly are here i apologize, nina, i'm tight for time one thing you convinced me, i wish more elected officials acted like members of the supreme court. they clearly are a bit more collegial than the rest of our politics thank you both when we come back we will change gears a little bit i'll talk to hhs secretary alex azar about the coronavirus hitting the u.s. and president trump and some of his scientists and our brand-new nbc news/wall street journal poll on where the race stands. is ut. you can't do everything yourself. you need someone to guide you and help you make those tough decisions, that's morgan stanley. they're industry leaders, but the most important thing is they want to do it the right way. i'm really excited to be part of the morgan stanley team. i'm justin rose. we are morgan stanley.

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welcome back we have a brand-new nbc news/wall street journal poll out this week just six weeks before election day. joe biden is leading among voters over president trump. while that's down slightly from july it's still outside the margin of error. 57-40 voters disapprove of president trump's handling or mishandling of the coronavirus our poll shows the highest level of interest ever, though, for a

presidential election campaign ever 80% and just 11% say their vote is still up for grabs and that has left the three upcoming debates in helping them announce their vote how resistant it is to events. joe biden's lead has held steado most of the year and here's why. nothing has moved president trump's approval rating. not his citing in helsinki, not impeachment, not the growing toll of deaths of the coronavirus and not the economy whether it was booming or collapsing through it all president trump's approval rating has sat consistently for two or three years betwe years between 43 and 46% which may suggest that no matter how ferocious the fight over justice ginsburg's seat may get, it may have very little impact on the voting which by the way, has already begun. when we come back, 200,000 americans are dead from covid-19, and the trump

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don't do it dennis. that's the way you execute a midnight snack run. stand up to cancer and rally want you to reduce your risk for cancer, go to takeahealthystand.org. welcome back lost in all the news about justice ginsburg was the fact that confirmed deaths from the united states from the coronavirus sadly hit 200,000 officially yesterday and with roughly 40,000 new cases a day the administration still seems to be arguing with itself. last week president trump contradicted his own cdc director on the time line of the vaccine and the value of face masks and the white house scuttled a plane to deliver 650 million face masks to hard-hit areas in the spring because at the time they thought it was going to create panic and looser guidelines for testing that were written by health and human service officials over the cdc scientists and they were reversed on friday after a couple of those officials were dismissed. joining me is hhs secretary alex azar

i really appreciate you being here this morning. >> thank you secretary alex a >> want to start with something you said to me the last time you were on on june 28th, take a listen. >> the window is closing we have to act and people as individuals have to act responsibly. we need to social distance we need to wear our face coverings if we're in settings where we can't social distance particularly in these hot zones. >> so you said that on june 28th we were at approximately 121,000 deaths then and we've had 80,000 more since is the window closed >> absolutely not. they practiced the three ws of wash your hands, watch your distance, wear your face >> coverings. we've seen an almost 50% decline in cases and 50% declines in hospitalizations and an even greater decline in fatalities p.

so the american people have stepped up to the plate any responded to president trump's and my call to action to since the high point so the american people have stepped up to the plate any responded to president trump's and my call to action to individual responsibility and that's what's bridging us to now the real promise that we have of next generation therapeutics and fda gold standard vaccines in the months ahead >> it sounds like you consider the death toll which sits at 200,000 and looks like, you know, i'm curious what you believe will be at the end of the year, is that a sign of a successful strategy by this administration do you believe that that is a sign of a successful pandemic response >> chuck, those are your words i mourn the death of any american from this unprecedented pandemic i remember dr. birx and dr. fauci said if the president had not taken the aggressive actions that we took, we could have lost as many as 2 million americans so we don't want anyone to die in this country from this disease, but the aggressive actions, closing our borders and

disease, but the aggressive actions, closing our borders and shutting down our economy and controlling most o shutting down our economy and controlling most of the global supply of remdesivir, bringing convalescent plasma, people 70 and 80, down to 9% and this should bring changes to the future as we look to monoclonal antibodies and this should bring changes to the future as >> i want you to clear something up, was there a report due to a freedom of information act, we got a cope of the press release that the united states postal service was going to be sending out in april, in conjunction with hhs, was there going to be up to 650 million reusable masks sent to the hardest-hit areas and then the implication was the white house decided against thishhs, was there going to be up to 650 million reusable masks sent to the hardest-hit areas and then the implication was the white house decided you eventually the masks were sent to various organizations and the white house decided to

nix the idea of mailing masks essentially to the american people was that a mistake >> chuck, i'm actually glad you asked about that, thanks to the incredible foresight of dr. rob kadlec, in the early days of the pandemic, we worked with hanes and other clothing manufacturers to retool their equipment and start pumping out these reusable cloth face masks and we distributed 650 million of those to the hardest-hit areas at one point we thought about shipping them to every american through the postal service and the decision was task force was send them where they can be used most to the hottest, most active wears and we got 650 million masks and it was through a different mechanism and getting them where they were needed most and we got 60 million face coverings and these cloth face coverings and a smaller size oud to kids especially in schools in underserved areas. >> one of the assets of sending masks to everybody would have been it would have sent the message that masks are important, at a time when the president was disputing whether he should be wearing a mask. >> well, chuck, we got 650 million masks out where they're needed most. i think that's what matters. get them to the hot spots and get them where they can add the most value, and we've been

calling for the use of face coverings since the middle of april when the president put out his guidelines for reopening america.ded most. i think that's what matters. get them to the hot spots we've been emphatic about the three ws, wash your hands, wear your face coverings and watch your distance. america. we've been emphatic about the three ws, wash your hands, wear your face coverings and watch your distance. >> secretary azar, you have done that, but i want to play a quick exchange here between dr. >> secretary azar, you have done that, but i want to play a quick exchange here between dr. redfield and president trump take a listen. >> i might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. if i don't get an immune response the vaccine will not protect me this face mask will. >> no, i think he made a mistake when he said that. it's just incorrect information

and i called him, and he didn't tell me that and i think he got the message maybe confused >> who should the american public listen to when it comes to masks you and dr. redfield or the president? >> dr. redfield i think has made clear that he really believes in the value of a vaccine that's safe and effective, that masks are not the equivalent masks are important and they're an important part of the strategy especially dealing with asymptomatic disease i think the point the president was making is there's not an equivalence between masks and vaccines and we use masks to bridge to the day of those vaccines and the vaccines are still the endgame that we are headed towards and we have just made absolutely historic progress towards getting these vaccines you know, if we had said back in january that by the end of this year, you'd have 100 million doses likely of fda gold standard vaccine in the united states, people would have laughed at that, and yet we have mobilized the entire government and the public and private sector and this is a realistic

possibility for this country now and we should be celebrating that we are on the cusp of that level of hope and achievement for this country >> very quickly, secretary azar, michael caputo who the agency spokesperson over there, his background, he had no background in public health and no scientific background, was that your decisions to hire him or did the white house make you hire him >> i'm not going to get into personnel matters and mr. caputo is on leave for a medical condition and our thoughts and prayers are with michael and he prayers are with michael and he added value with you our covid response and we have a great team with the public affairs group and we will charge forward with providing fair, balanced and accurate information to the american people about the coronavirus response and preparedness activities. >> secretary azar, i really appreciate you coming on it's been a busy day a busy weekend and i appreciate you spending time with us. thank you, sir >> thank you, chuck.

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