♪ don't do it dennis. he felt very well and he was that's the way you execute a midnight snack run. very animated in our half hour you've never been in better hands stand up to cancer and rally want you conversation, ready to get back allstate to reduce your risk for cancer, click or call for a quote today out on the campaign trail. i think they're doing the smart go to takeahealthystand.org. thing here. they're taking this very serious. he's the president of the united states. when you think about the west wing, the west wing operates to support the president of the united states. by having him at walter reed, i think that's smart, i think that's a good, cautionary move since he is the president. this sunday the president's again, we have to get him health. the white house calls the healthy and the rest of the country healthy and defeat this president's condition very back in january our friends virus. concerning, contradicting his >> if he was diagnosed thursday designated four states, two doctor's upbeat, public and hospitalized less than 24 hours later, that doesn't happen toss-ups held by republicans and assessment. one currently held by a >> this morning the president is doing very well. >> the white house scrambling with many covid patients. democrat. last night to get on the same how much of this is caution and but like a lot of other things how much of it is he's having a in our lives, a lot changed by page. >> he's made unbelievable improvements from yesterday tougher bout than most people? this time this year. morning when i know a number of >> i think they're taking a very there are seven now toss-up seats held by republican us, the doctor and i were very precautionary move on this. incumbents and only doug jones concerned. again, i can't speak to the remains that vulnerable on the >> mr. trump releasing a video exact symptoms or exactly what democratic side of the aisle. we're also keeping an eye on from walter reed last night. transpired on friday, just as >> i came here, wasn't feeling cases like alaska, south so well. i'm not part of white house i feel much better now. carolina, the other georgia operations and i'm not part of seat, even kansas, all of which we're working hard to get me all the white house medical unit, the way back. but i do think it was smart they i have to be back. can be vulnerable in a major >> the virus now spreading among moved him to walter reed democratic sweep.

hospital. and then there's michigan, one those two attended white house again, he's the president of the united states. of the few places a democrat is even though we have a very up for re-election and could be events. how serious is the president's strong structure that's built a competitive race. condition? around the president and vice remember, democrats need a net can we trust anything from the gain of three seats to take white house? president pence is ready to help control of the senate if joe my guests this morning, senior biden wins the presidency. out whenever need be. adviser to the trump campaign the good thing is president so we shall see. jason miller. trump is able to be in control when we come back, how the vo dr. nahid va della from boston and be in charge the entire time. going back to my conversation university. with him again yesterday, number plus debate fallout -- >> vote now. one, he expressed thanks and make sure you in fact let people gratitude to everyone at walter reed. he was appreciative for the know, we're senators. folks who showed up outside to >> i'm not going to answer that cheer him on. question. again, it's that spirit that we >> why would you not answer that have to go take this head on. question? >> the radical left -- and that's one of the things, >> will you shut up, man? chuck, as president of the united states, look, he could have stayed upstairs at the >> the president's relentless of white house the entire time. but that wouldn't have been the responsible thing to do. joe biden. >> he graduated the lowest or if the doctor recommendation was second lowest in the class. to go to walter reed. don't ever use the word smart whether it's upstairs or down in for me. the basement, you've got to take >> and struggle to make up this seriously, and i think ground. >> unbalanced. >> and big shift towards biden they're doing the smart thing. in our new "the wall street >> we are trying to figure out journal" poll. who we should take seriously, joining me now former homeland security jay johnson, the doctor or chief of staff? journalist peggy noon an e. rich mark meadows said he wasn't good lawrie from "the national friday and ended up on oxygen

review" and former white house the doctor said something else communications director jennifer and you're saying something else. you're painting a picture sort of that things were not that kaymer. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." serious friday and mark meadows did. you understand there's so much >> announcer: from nbc news in confusion about the president's condition right now? >> chuck, i don't think i'm washington, the longest-running show in television history, this painting any sort of picture with regard to friday, because, is "meet the press" with chuck todd. again, i'm not part of the white if there's any good news to house medical unit. i can't speak to friday. what i can speak to is having come from the un settling news the president of the united spoken with the president states has been infected with directly at length yesterday on the coronavirus, it is this, saturday, getting an update on his condition. perhaps the americans who have how he's feeling. how he's looking forward to flouted this advice to take the getting back out. virus seriously and wear a mask he's excited we came up with our may now take this seriously. operation maga to get all of the this happening that with colder vice president and first family and people out there and he weather will lead to another deadly wave of the pandemic. welcomes forward to getting back yesterday the white house out. that's what i can speak to. offered a far less upbeat report and like many americans i saw on mr. trump's condition than 20 years ago, i was an hourly the press conference yesterday his doctors did, creating public with dr. conley and dr. dually associate cart pusher. confusion and further doubts about whether we can trust what the different positions i've had updating us to the president's taught me this administration ever tells how to be there for others. us. condition. there are still many questions to be answered, can and should that's what i can speak to. ♪ friday i can't. the good news is the president i started out as a cashier. vice president campaign while is feeling better and anxious to mr. trump is hospitalized? get back out there. i mean, the sky's the limit with walmart. >> can you explain why the will there be more presidential it's all up to you. debates, and if so, will they be president did not quarantine the

second he heard about the hope ♪ in person? could senate republican plans hicks diagnosis and why you guys for amy coney barrett's fast went on for a fund-raiser in new track confirmation get derald? jersey thursday night? clearly that was against cdc ♪ the news came after a debate guidelines. performance that's roundly >> well, it's important to keep criticized after the president's in mind anybody around the behavior. president is tested, and not our nbc news/"the wall street only tested for covid with the journal" poll shows an election rapid tests but they also have dramatic free until now. their temperatures checked. joe biden leads registered at any of these events, folks voters by a shocking 15 points, are kept back by six feet, the 53-49, by far the biggest lead update the fund-raiser had. so people are not getting that close to the president. but, again, the president did in our poll so far. not have a positive test yet. as soon as he did have a word of caution, this poll was positive test, of course, went taken right after a to a different level of protocol consequential and and they put the precautionary extraordinarily unsettling event, that debate. measure to take him to walter translation -- these numbers reed and now he's doing much better, and that's the important could be quite volatile. so we're going to wait to see if thing. >> what you're saying is the white house does not follow cdc this biden surge is a short-term guidelines? the cdc guidelines would have thing or part of a trend. meant no, he would have we have the news covered from quarantined. somebody has close aide as hope all angles and begin with our hicks testing positive, he should be quarantining, that's own kelly o'donnell and walter the cdc guideline. reed medical center. it sounds like what you're kelly, what is the latest on the saying is the white house does not abide by cdc guidelines?

president's condition? i guess i have to qualify it, >> what i'm saying is i will let who's telling us the latest on the president's condition? the white house, both white house operations and white house >> good morning, chuck. the president's physician has medical unit speak to the exact given us the most recent particulars but what i do know is anyone around the president snapshot saying the president is is tested. making progress but making clear he still faces serious risk. they have their temperature now, the issue of transparency taken. they keep back. with the president's health is i'm never within six feet of the president wherever i'm around critical. what we've had so far has been him. so they take a lot of serious -- >> it are you upset, by the way? conflicting, contradictory are you upset you were exposed in a way that was maybe lax information, even corrections coming from the white house. one example on friday, when we protocols? i talked to other people, by the first learned of the diagnosis, way, close to this white house the official line from the white house was, mild symptoms. who are not happy about the lack now we know from the chief of of information and are not happy that basically what was told to staff that at the same time the president's doctors were them was a safe place turned out worried, and they were particularly concerned about a not to be. rapid drop of his oxygen level. >> no, not at all. i know that every time i'm still, the president's physician around the president, that i have a test taken, everybody is now saying publicly if he around me has a test taken. ever received supplemental oxygen, and yet put out a memo your temperature checked. we take this very seriously. that said the president no longer has a fever and is off i always keep at least six feet away from the president. supplemental oxygen. we keep a certain level of so there's been this kind of distance. so i feel like the white house does a very good job of confusion about who is providing

information and how clear that protecting folks and going above information is. and beyond. here's the important thing, we also know the president chuck. doesn't want to leave the there's a lot about this virus messaging to others, not his we don't know. president trump is arguably the single most protected person on doctors, not his chief of staff, the entire planet and yet he got not the white house staff. so he put out a four-minute video that we know was recorded covid. there's a lot about this we don't know. inside the hospital in part of but what we can't do is just say the presidential suite, which whether it's upstairs or includes office space for the downstairs in a basement, we president, in addition to the have to take this virus head on. medical treatment like we have to go -- as we've seen remdesivir, which he is getting over the course of several days. from president trump in welcome back. and in that he talked about his developing therapeutics and want to let you guys take a shot getting to the vaccine and own condition, acknowledged that at what happened with this ventilators, we have to take debate. jennifer palmieri, why did this there are still difficult days this head on. ahead when his condition will we can't stay in our basement or debate end up looking like it need to be monitored carefully had the impact it had on joe but also talked about wanting to shut down the economy get back on the campaign trail. indefinitely. we have to take it head on and i biden? mine, it's clearly got a bump. think that's the moment it's so clear that the president trump is doing right >> well, i think that -- i think most-watched patient in the now. >> as far as the campaign, are world wants to have some control you going to change protocols? trump was just so unappealing. over the message and how the you encourage people not to and i don't think donald trump public perceives his condition. went into that debate thinking socially distance. you have events with no masks. i'm going to be disruptive and chuck? >> kelly o'donnell getting us we saw the supreme court rollout saturday turned out might end up chaotic and interrupt biden started right outside walter reed medical center in bethesda, constantly because that's going being a superspreader event. to help me. maryland. kelly, thank you very much. is the campaign going to change i think he just wanted to try to those mixed messages that we its protocols? get in the way of biden being are you going to insist on mask heard yesterday unfortunately able to deliver a clear message. were not surprising given this wearing? white house's history of being does the campaign regret that its own staffers and family

mine, biden took opportunities less than candid with the didn't wear masks during the when he had them to speak directly to the camera. public. >> i came here, wasn't feeling debate? >> well, i'll go back to what i one woman in the focus group so well. said earlier, anyone around the said that was important to her. i feel much better now. president is always tested, not >> president trump now he was able to get some good just with the rapid test, but points off. hospitalizes at walter reed. but i think that trump >> about 48 hours ago the also with the temperature check. understood that debate was to president received a special and all of our events, we do antibody therapy. give biden an opportunity to temperature checks, we pass out yesterday evening he received make points that, you know, why his first dose of remdesivir. masks, we pass out hand >> yesterday the white house's sanitizer, we encourage people the debates favor the democrats doctors offered contradictory to wear them. i think when you're up against everybody, if they and can the updates, his doctors debating trump is because it's so hard to social distance, just like control the narrative outside key questions about the president trump told me yesterday, chuck, jason, i want president's condition. >> he's not received the debate, right? you to make sure you tell people it gives you a shot to do that. supplemental oxygen? >> he's not on oxygen right now. two things, we're going to i think people hated to see the defeat this virus and also be >> you keep saying right now, you but should we read into that careful. if you can't socially distance, chaos and disruptions trump did he was? wear a mask, wash your hands, so biden got a bump out of it. >> yesterday or today, he's not on oxygen. use hand sanitizer. these are the messages from but i say what trump was real >> and "the new york times" reporting that not true, the president trump. he wants to make sure everybody president did receive will trying to do was stopping knows that. >> i saw vice president pence biden from having a clear shot will have a full campaign supplemental oxygen on the white house. schedule this week. at a lot of the message coming his chief of staff contradicting why do you believe that's prudent with the president through. >> that version of donald trump doctors on fox news. currently hospitalized with the >> yesterday we were concerned virus, that for continuity of is somebody many of us see every with that, he had a fever and day, many of us have to deal government reasons, should the with every day. blood oxygen level that dropped vice president be traveling? so i think a lot of us weren't rapidly. >> the white house also created shouldn't he be mitigating risks sure this was going to have the impact it had, but, boy, it of getting this virus? confusion on the time line. clearly had an impact on people. >> 72 hours into the diagnosis shouldn't you guys be asking for

a remote debate for instance? maybe because it was 90 minutes now. >> the white house forced to release a statement clarifying wouldn't that be what's best interest of continuity of unfiltered. >> that's it. the president was diagnosed government for the united states it was 90 minutes straight of thursday, not wednesday as he of america? said. >> no. what normally you get for eight the president part of a growing we're in a campaign. cluster of cases including we have a month to go. our ten minutes every other day. we see joe biden and kamala republican chair ronna mcdaniel, harris out there campaigning. certainly they're not asking for so it was an undiluted shot of senior adviser hope hicks and a remote debate. bill stefan, all who trav vice president pence is following the debate for the donald trump. i've got to tell you, chuck, i vice presidential candidates on with him in recent days. wednesday. felt -- you know in your montage >> is there any clarity on how he will be hitting the trail. of the people who had been in the focus group coming up with he became ininfected? will be in arizona, probably nevada, back here in d.c. >> i'm not going to go into one word to describe the debate, and he's going to have a full that. as i watched i thought, the as far as his care, it's aggressive schedule, as will the first family, don, eric, ivanka irrelevant. >> or when he became infected? american people are so much more >> yes, not going to go into and a number of our supporters, eloquent than their own that. coalitions, black voices for political leaders. >> and first lady and five roll and they really do deserve more trump, latinos for trump, women out of the amy coney barrett, for trump. the whole operation mega will be than that big, messy thing. deploying anywhere. the president was belligerent to senators mike lee and tom tillis >> you have no concerns? >> no concerns at all. the point of nuttiness. the vice president takes very and governor chris christie, who serious all of these measures. i thought mr. biden did not distinguish himself in a himself was hospitalized anyone around the vice president are tested. different way. yesterday. people are kept very safe. he was not forthcoming about on tuesday the president flew to the cleveland debate with an again, we can't hide from this various big issues, the virus forever, chuck. filibuster packing the court, et entourage. his family entering the hall we have to take it head on and cetera, something that's wearing masks but quickly took develop this vaccine and defeat the virus. disturbing. >> very quickly, are those trump i will leave it here. them off as the president that may be the last

minimized mask wearing. presidential debate we see in >> i don't wear masks like him. family members going to be campaigning before their 14-day this cycle. every time he speaks, he has a the next simply may not happen. mask. he could be standing 200 feet quarantining? >> we'll initially start with away and shows up with the biggest mask i have ever seen. virtual events. so it will be an indelible i believe we're going to have a >> on thursday attended couple family members tomorrow memory. >> rich lawrie, it was night, monday, big event, our interesting rick santorum said if he were a candidate this year multimillion dollar fund-raiser on the ballot, he would have first virtual rally. so make sure folks go to the been very upset at the website to check out when that president's performance. before hope hicks took off. will come on board. as soon as we check out in you were pretty critical too of >> it was an outdoor event and he was being safe. person, we will do so. the president's performance when >> already on the campaign we were on the air together. trail, biden who said he has two but do you think this has an i expect up to 50 folks around negative tests on friday, is the country flooding the battle impact on the ballot? >> we'll see. suspending negative tv we'll see how long lasting this effect is. advertising for now but sending zone in the battleground states but there's a strategy here. this week, truck. >> jason miller with an update he thought he would go in and a pointed message -- on the president of the united steamroll joe biden and make >> it's not going away with biden crack in a way that would states. jason miller, thank you for automatically. we have to do our part to be coming on and sharing your really hurt him and biden wasn't great, as peggy said, he was responsible. perspective. >> thank you. it means following the science. joining me now is professor it means having masking mandates evasive on key things, but he of medicine at the boston university school of medicine, didn't buckle. nationwide. so all you're left with is this >> joining me now is trump senior adviser jason miller. dr. nahid bhadelia. welcome back to meantime. i can't shake this fact, dr. we should note the doctor would not provide a doctor or single bhadelia, the president gets over-the-top dlij ren white house official to offer an diagnosed with the virus and in update on the president's 24 hours is hospitalized. over-the-top blij rensi of the president which didn't go over well with people. condition. jason, i hope you're prepared to that is not the experience of as president, you want a second most covid patients. bite of the apple but as peggy do that. let me start with this, have you >> good morning, chuck.

spoken with the president in the yes, the president is currently last 24 hours? and if so, what is his one of 130,000 americans who are said, maybe it's not forthcoming. >> wa jeh johnson, we have a lot condition? >> i swhave, chuck. good morning and thank you for of unknowns with the president's having me on. health but do you think one i spoke with the with president debate will be useful to either yesterday afternoon and he's in hospitalized and that raises the point this is not a silver very goodstebic, the campaign side? >> well, the president's health bullet, the testing, it's just aside, i do think more debates acquired. would be useful. manager and i, spent a few everybody's course in covid is minutes with the president. different. he said number one we're going i believe it's entirely possible and it's hard for me to comment to have a virtual remote debate. to defeat have virus, this not knowing his case because nation is going to defeat this he's high risk, the fact with we've been doing this now on tv his age and he's a male and with virus. and the campaign will devote the his obesity. with shows like this for seven but it is a bit -- generally the months. one of the key advantages of a virus. he is ready to get out of the hospital and pretty energetic. course we see is that it's five format like this is only one to seven days after symptom and he said something else too, be careful, watch folks to wash person gets to talk at a time, their hands, use hand sanitizer, onsets, is you generally have a because there's a mute button. make sure if you can't socially median when people develop distance to wear a mask. it can be done. >> it you thought i just muted i thought that was a pretty symptoms, might see a drop of you now, right and how easily we important message to send and oxygen. his course may have been faster reminder to the rest of the could have gone back and forth. country. >> i wonder if he can help us or they may have moved him. but i guess to follow up, jen, sort out a bit of the timeline, if you're the biden campaign, do seems like there was an event you want another debate like friday, clearly there was an and i know some of this is event friday that led to a staff, but can you say for decompensation. that? certain when the president it was either he potentially if you end up with another one, needed supplemental oxygen that should biden change his tactics? drove them to take him to the >> i think -- i think democrats started feeling ill? hospital. it may be a combination the fact

was it tuesday? was it wednesday? he's a president, the fact was it thursday? >> i can't speak to that, chuck, should have debates because it but what i can speak to is what moving him to the hospital gives is an opportunity to talk direct him chances to give him more we received from the reports therapeutics and potentially that the president received his l that he's either having a longer ly to the american people that positive test thursday evening. the democratic nominee does not directly to the president saying course or potentially he may get going up against donald have had symptoms longer and not trump. and biden ha to be the one realize he had symptoms because upholding norms. he's got to run the race. they're vague and may just have he can't look like he's scared to debate trump. been fatigue. i think they should want to do >> what should we be on the lookout for when we do get briefings from the president's it. physicians that while they may i think the next time -- biden, present something that seems it worked for them, right? the biden campaign thinks this very anodyne but actually will worked. be very telling, what are some the president, like there was of the things you will be chaos on one side and stability looking for in some of these updates to tell us more about on the other. and i think biden can do even better delivering the message his condition? >> yes, thank you, chuck. the next time if he has an opportunity to debate. the big things we look for in but they still think this covid patients, it's a 1-2 worked. >> look, i want to bring up, i punch, the damage it will do and then revs up the immune system. then you have a maladapted will just show one example from our poll that to me tells me the immune system that then starts story of how biden expanded his attacking your own body. what we're currently looking at, lead. he went to 14 points. medications. one that's under compassionate rich lowry, you brought up the fact we're not even at the use, the antiviral remdesivir. anniversary of "access

hollywood." it's an important point. that's meant to bring the viral at that point in time we had a load down. they're looking to make sure they brought the virus level down enough so he doesn't have 10-point flash poll. that harmful immune response. so it's important. they're probably already doing in 2016 donald trump won voters imaging, if not have done it over the age of 65 by 8 points, already, to look to make sure that the lung disease he may 53-45. in our poll here, joe biden is have had hasn't progressed. leading among this group by a they will look to see if his whopping 62-35, a 27-point body is responding from high inflammatory markers. the things i would be looking margin. his firferable ratings among for, if he receive death mex older voters, talking about latino voters and younger voters and joe biden's path to the zone, the steroid we were white house might just be older talking about. white folks. and we will look into that. >> yes, absolutely. let me say very quickly, there's >> you may have heard jason a word called decorum. miller say they test all the i believe the elderly people of time, they test all the time. america in 2016, the country in should this puncture the myth that just saying you conducted trouble, perfect storm, they took a chance on this person who test doesn't replace the mask? seemed to have an unsure sense >> yeah, testing is a pillar of the part of the way we respond, of dignity bit they took a as you and i previously talked chance. maybe we need somebody about. in itself no one thing is a different. i think they've seen him for

silver bullet. what the testing in this four years and they're remembering decorum matters. scenario did is it helped them they've also seen the entire pick up people earlier. nation become sick, and they don't like it. however, all it does is a >> i think the two c words, diagnostic. you need to follow it up by covid and civility that have having all of those additional measures, that if someone turns been the key to moving voters. out to be positive, others who terrific, panel. may have been exposed don't get thank you. sick. what a quartet. when you put that mask on, when and that's all for today. you keep that distance, it i thank you all for watching. reduces the chance if you have a all of us here at "meet the test that came back negative press" wish president trump, because it was early in their first lady and all of those impacted by the coronavirus a disease or false negative, you speedy and full recovery. don't have this type of scenario and we'll be back next week where people get exposed and it because if it's sunday, it's becomes a bigger cluster. "meet the press." one thing i will say is the thing you may have heard in this situation that dose of virus you get exposed to may zietd your severity and not wearing a mask will lead to a largerdoctor, we having your experience and expertise on the show. thank you. >> thank you. when we come back, the contradictory reports from the my father always reminded me, "a good education takes you many different horizons"

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welcome back. the panel is with us, former homeland security security jay johnson, "the wall street journal" journalist peggy noon an e. national review and the director of hillary clinton's 2016. welcome to all of you. peggy noonan, i don't know if we a presidential joyride took needed more for this campaign to doctors and the media by surprise as president trump left deal with. after that debate every time you walter reed in the beast to wave think can you stack one more hello to well-wishers outside event on this election year and the hospital. >> yeah, doctors are optimistic yet here we are, the president about the president's condition is in the hospital with the virus. and may discharge him as early where are we? as today this as new reports surface of more positive cases of coronavirus in his inner circle. covid and the nfl. think in the past few years than game day delayed for some teams we have been before that. after high-profile players test look, the president is positive. plus, tough new penalties hospitalized. the league may impose. we cannot be certain what his election day is just 29 days away exact condition is, because we as the race for the white house

cannot be fully confident of the information given us by various white house sources. and also there's an impression that not everybody in the white house themselves has any sense of what's going on. it seems to me one of the most interesting things the doctor, who just appeared in an interview with you said, chuck, is it takes about five to ten days for this illness to fully present itself, for the dimensions of the severity to become clear. so it seems to me this is a delicate time. the white house should be trying to make sure, just forget perceptions in a realistic way, it's not all ad hoc and shambolic in that hospital, that in fact the appropriate strategic military and national security and diplomatic lines are up. on top of that, let me just say quickly, i really think this is

a very important time for the american government to assert its own presence, to be in washington, to show we have a fully functioning, fully ordered government. i do not think mike pence should be out there on the campaign trailed. he's the vice president of the united states in a crisis. he should be in washington. i think the cabinet members and head of agency should. so i just think the grown-ups here have to step forward and assert themselves in some new way. >> jeh johnson, how much of in ? >> well, chuck, i'm going to give you an answer a little bit different than what you probably asked. the number one national security threat right now, obviously, is covid. and the president -- the most protected man in america who reportedly is a safe. we're seeing a resurgence in the

country right now, in various parts of the country. and so what happened to president trump should be a vivid example of the danger we face right now. we've been letting down our guard. we've been getting sloppy. and americans need to know this little ten-cent device here actually does save lives. and this is now not a time to be sloppy. and now i'm also concerned in this environment with the president having covid of, frankly, misinformation hysteria. >> right. >> i believe that too is a national security threat. we know there are foreign actors out there trying to meddle in our democracy right now who may be as we speak peddling misinformation to try to explode the anxiety americans are feeling in this situation. those are the two national security concerns that i really have in the moment. we can talk about whether the vice president should be quarantining or not, i believe

he should, but those are the current threats as i see them. >> rich lowry, you heard jason miller there. he's full speed ahead. they want to say the campaign is full speed away. they want to present nothing to see here yet. the president is in the hospital, but, hey, everything is fine. are they handling this right? >> i think it's a lot to ask to just give up weeks of a campaign, when there are only four weeks or so left. and it's really hard, chuck, with so many unknowns tol how this is going to bounce at have days to lose and it puts greater emphasis on covid, which has been one of the biggest vulnerabilities for the president during this entire campaign. all of that said, at this point in 2016, "access hollywood" hadn't even happened yet. so there's still time for other october surprises. >> jennifer palmeiro, i was interested to see the biden campaign, they decided they're pulling negative ads right now.

you can say, okay, that's appropriate. it's not like the other side is doing the same thing. it does seem as though the biden folks has a challenge how to navigate the next few days. >> he has to be thoughtful about it and he certainly has done that. the american people want to see, he took his negative ads down. he understands this is not a normal time in politics. he says he's praying for the president. he's expressing a lot of empathy for the president and his family but at the same time you're holding the administration accountable. i know the biden campaign things the voters that are open through them view almost everything through the lens of covid. it is affecting their lives in dramatic and profound ways. it's affecting the economy in dramatic and profound ways. and they're not going to stop arguing now that the present administration mishandled this. the other big argument they have

with the trump administration is chaos. chaos and recklessness. i know you saw that in the debate, joe biden i'm sure that wasn't really fun to go through, but for the voters to see that kind of chaos on the stage hurt trump. your numbers reflect that. and recklessness, the week ends with the president getting this diagnose sk diagnosis, a lot of senior white house officials getting this diagnose skis, following the unsafe event in the rose garden last weekend. so it is still early. it's only october 4th. but this is not a great start. >> rick lowery, do the republicans on the senate side, there's talk they still want to get through with the amy coney barrett situation. are they at that point it will look like they're trying too hard to get her confirmed? covid cases be darned? >> they're trying very hard to get her confirmed, they put this off. i tt would have to get much more dire than it is now.

the fact is all year long the judiciary committee held these hybrid-type hearings, where you have some people in person and others remote. i imagine you would see some version of that. but there's an extreme commitment to get this done. >> i'm going to pause the conversation there. all of you i know have a lot to say about the debate. i've got an interesting debate package for you guys to take a look at and then we'll have a lot to talk about. that event we thought would be what we would all be (stasha vo) when everything shut down, i thought,"you know what?

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>> i beat bernie sanders. >> pocahontas would've left two days earlier, you would have lost -- >> what one word or phrase describes your reaction to the debate? >> disparaging. >> debacle. >> insulting. >> juvenile. >> unfortunate. >> disappointing. >> lack of visions. >> why won't you left. will you shut up, man? who is on your list, joe? >> looking at this debate, what's the takeaway that comes out of this? >> embarrassing's an accurate description. >> it sent a message that in

this country we don't know how to have a conversation. >> i was really disappointed for both candidates and for both parties. >> it painted a picture that we are unwilling to reach across the aisle and find commonality. >> i want to hear what the candidates have to say. and i didn't hear that. >> trump didn't want to focus on truths or answering questions. >> both candidates were just trying to take shots at each other. >> impulsive. corrupt. showoff. self-centere maniac. unethical. >> incompetent. >> unstable. >> inconsistent. >> good enough. >> integrity. >> what was the high point for you, if anything, that donald trump said? >> why now, why don't you do that when you were in office for 46 years? you had your chance. >> in 47 months i've done more

than you've done in 47 years, joe. >> what's his biggest failure as president? >> i don't feel like we're hearing the truth out of our president's mouth more times than not. >> creating this culture and this atmosphere of division. >> was there a positive moment or a high point for joe biden? >> but i did like it that he was trying to talk directly to us. >> the american people should speak. you should go out and vote. >> what most irritates you about joe biden? >> he loses his tim per sometimes fairly easily. >> well, he's just had a long time in congress and hasn't seem to have gotten over the hump. >> what one word would you use to describe this presidential election? >> unprecedented. >> insane. >> crucial. >> >> what is this election about? >> i think inaction and derisive

versus decisive. >> this election is about racial injustices, coronavirus, and where's america going from here? >> you want to make your vote count, but both options, neither of them look especially great. >> and, peter and nicole, both joining me now, welcome to both of you. let me start with this to the both of you, peter, i'll start with you, which is what should we as viewers and as the audience right now take away from this? >> well, obviously people were unhappy. and what the takeaway is that joe biden was good enough, and donald trump made people feel uneasy. and that's really what it was about as much as anything else. this is about getting things right in america, getting things back on track.

>> you know, nicole, it didn't seem like anybody was reassured by either candidate at the debate, even if they were certainly thrown off, perhaps, by what the president did. >> what was surprising to me in this debate was the extent to which people were disappointed in both candidates. if they were looking for leadership for any kind of assurance for any direction for the country, they didn't get it from either one. that was one of the things coming out of the focus group that was pretty surprising to me that while the focus has been largely on the president's performance, i think people were disappointed a little bit in joe biden as well. >> we did so much qualitative and quantitative work this week with both of your firms, both doing regular polling and these focus groups. so we did these word clouds. we asked our polling respondents to just give us a word or phrase about the debate. and here was the biden word cloud of people that thought biden did better. what was interesting is how much it's about trump.

trump avoided questions, trump unprofessional. it actually doesn't have a lot on biden himself. >> well, exactly. this election is about donald trump, is it up or down? and when the president gets covid, what it says to everybody, nobody's safe. this election is really coming back around to the basics, and the basics are how do we get the country back on track? >> nicole, let me put up the trump word cloud. these are the folks that thought trump did better. what you see here the thing that jumps out the most is even though they think trump did better, i don't think they thought it was a good debate. what was interesting is the trump word cloud is more a biden. >> well, it is interesting. and i think what people are saying is they didn't hear much about what joe biden has to offer. there were a lot of unanswered questions going into this debate about joe biden, what does he represent, what direction will he take the country?

and those questions won't answered in this debate. >> do you think folks want to see more of this? >> i don't think they want to see more of this, but i absolutely think they want to see more debates because i think there were unmet expectations and a lot of unanswered questions from this debate. >> so, peter, what should the campaigns take away from these focus groups? if you had both candidates watch these, what would the lesson that you would want to hear both candidates take away from it? >> talk to our problems, talk to us. people want to get calm and reassurance, but at the same time they don't want to be complacent. they want to look ahead to where we are going. talk to the american voter. >> and, nicole, how should we assume the electorate's going t president hospitalized? does that take away from the impression that the debate left on these voters? >> i think the debate left an

impression. but i think what has happened over the last week has been deeply unsettling. so i think voters will be, you know, looking for some reassurance in the next debate. i can't imagine how they will react to these unprecedented circumstances. i think they will want some reassurance. they need some reassurance, and that's what they will be looking at going forward and how it's handled i think is largely dependent on how the president responds. >> peter, nicole, it was really great to watch you guys work and see how, even in the world of zoom, how we can get a lot of animation out of folks so people can see what real people are reacting to this election, just what people like us think. anyway, thank you both for your work. when we come stock slices.

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