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$1.9 trillion covid relief bill and gave his first speech as president, targeting july 4th when americans can gather in small groups. >> i will make this independence day something truly special. we'll not only mark our independence as a nation but we'll mark this independence from this virus. >> joining me now is dr. anthony fauci, the doctor of infectious diseases. >> thank you, todd. >> i don't think anybody thought this is going to be a year at the time. what would you tell yourself from a year ago of what to

expect and how shocked have you been of what this year as been like? >> you know chuck, i knew it was going to be bad. a couple of days ago last year i said at the congressional hearing that things are going t any better. even i did not fully anticipate that we would have over half a million deaths a year later. we knew it was going to be bad but this really turned out to be a historic example of what a pandemic virus can do. it is just going to terribly trying for so many in so many respects and suffering in health wise and deaths and loss and loved ones. what it has done and how it deepens what we had in the country to begin with, it made it more intense.

it just been a bad time all around. we are going in the right direction. boy, looking back at what we have been through, people are going to be writing about this and historically about it for a long time to come. >> when you think about sadly preparing for this again, i know a lot of folks who think that due to climate change and due to globalization in general it is inevitable that we'll deal with more and more viruses like this. the biggest lesson you are going to take away to prepare for the next one. >> you know there are a couple of lessons, there are lessons domestically and public health wise and scientifically, let's take global to begin with. we have to have a better global health security network so that we are talking to each other all the time and know what's going

on. we also have to have a continued investment in the science. if you want to look at these success stories in this terrible year has been the extraordinary unprecedented advance with the vaccines. in january of 2020, we started the process and 11 months later, we had a highly efficacious vaccine going into the arms of individuals which is going to be the answer to this. keep the science up, continue to support the public health infrastructure and remain global in our interactions. as i have said so many times, a global pandemic requires a global response. >> let me go to what the president said on thursday night and the promises of the month of may with promise one, may 1st, everybody eligible to get on the list and by the end of may

everybody wanting a shot gets theirs. i know he's not saying those goals without talking to you, why do you feel those are achievable goals? >> well, they're achievable, chuck, if you look at what's happening. what the president has done, he's done a number of things but two major things he's gotten us a much larger supply of vaccines, he negotiated with moderna and pfizer to get additional 100 million doses each from the companies. we had a contract with j&j to have 100 million doses, he negotiated another contract for additional 100 mil mobilize the community vaccine centers, community health centers, pharmacies that's going to be getting it. mobile units that's going to be putting into areas that are

accessible and mobilizations of a lot more people going to be doing the vaccinations and healthcare providers. that's a full court press, that's the reason why we'll be able a couple of months of where we thought we'll be. >> what's the issue at the end of the may's goal that anybody wants a shot will get a shot. >> i don't think much will prevent it having it quantitatively of the number of vaccines the president promised. a glitch, those things will happen and you can't represent 100%. if you look at the numbers going down, it is down so nicely of a

steep supply. we had a plateauing of infections. the thing that concerns me because of history proves that i should be concerned is that is when you get a plateau at a level around 60,000 new infections per day there is always a risk of another surge. that's the thing we want to avoid because we are going in the right direction. that's why i get so anxious when i hear pulling back completely on public health measures like saying no more masks or nothing like that. that's a risky business when you do that. >> i was going to ask you on your level of concern of a new surge because you want to talk about a version of ptsd for many people when we see europe on the uptake, we see italy locking down again. that's familiar and every time europe uptake, it was about two or three weeks later, how do we

make sure it does not happen again? >> you know chuck, it is exactly what i am saying. even though the decline was steep, we absolutely need to avoid the urge to say oh, everything is going great which is it is going in the right direction. once you declare victory, the metaphor that people say if you are going for a touchdown, don't spike the yard. when you plateau, there is always a risk of a surge. that's what the europeans experienced. >> i want to talk about vaccine hesitancy here. we are seeing a bigger divide by politics. we talked about it earlier. for instance among trump voters, 47% have said they'll not be

vaccinated, 30% say yes and half republican men say they're not going to take this vaccine. you have the psa with all the former president except one, president trump in there. do you think he needs to be enlisted here at all toll get his voters to take this vaccine? >> chuck, i hope he does because the numbers that you gave are so disturbing, how such a large proportion of a certain group of people would not want to get vaccinated mainly because of political considerations. it makes no sense. i have been saying that for so long, we got to disassociate political persuasion of what's common sense, no brainer public healthies. the history of vaccinations have rescued us from smallpox and measles and other diseases,

what's the problem here? this is a vaccine that's going to be life-saving for millions of people. how some groups would not want to do it for reasons i don't understand, i don't comprehend what the reasons for that is when you have a vaccine that's 94% or 95% effective and it is very safe. i don't get it. >> hopefully your words here will help on that front. >> let me talk about our astrazeneca vaccine, it is not one we approved in this country. there are astrazeneca vaccines that are ready to go that can go to other countries that have approved it. we know europe is dying for some more vaccines. president biden has not ready to release it yet, why? >> chuck, i think there is a misunderstanding there. there is not this whole backlog of vaccines that are ready to go some where onto somebody's arms

here or overseas. people are getting the wrong impression of that. the president made it clear tha because of the extraordinary suffering we had for over half a million deaths thus far that we want to make sure that people in the united states are covered. it is clear that he fully has the intention of getting vaccines ship to other parts of the world that don't have the resources that we do. we already made the commitment for $4 billion that would go to covax, people may get the wrong impression that holding that doses which really are not. >> what are we doing with these doses? >> i don't know exactly how many doses. there is not anything that'll be a major impact. there will be but not right now. >> we know president biden says

backyard gatherings, when can people plan an in-door wedding? >> you know that's a good time. you know what the cdc is doing? excuse me -- >> this calendar year? >> what time of the year? i can't give you that exact date because it is going to absolutely depend and this gets back to our conversation a minute or two ago. it is going to depend on the level of infection and community. if we plateau and stay at 60,000 a day, and go up with a peak, you can make no predictions. if we keep going down and get to a low level, when we are there and we have a good proportion of the people vaccinated, i think you will see weddings in the

normal ways within a reasonable period of time. there is always the caveat it is not going to happen if you have a surge. >> be careful the next month or two. dr. fauci, thank you for coming on and sharing your expertise with us. >> thank you for having me, chuck. >> when we come, republican state legislatures proposing a (man) i'm a verizon engineer,

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they hold legislative majorities in 24 states. the bills would have the effective of curtailing the early vote and shift more voting to election day when recently republican voters have dominated. all told the bill amounts to the greatest effort particularly for african-americans since the jim crow's era. and the three large states he lost byless than five points, texas, north carolina and florida. republicans insist they're trying to eliminate voter fraud inspired by former president trump's false claims that somehow this last election was stolen. democrats say it is all a cover for an effort to elect republicans by limiting

democratic voter access to the polls. >> it smells like jim crow's laws in the past. it smells like polls taxing. it smells like voter suppression. >> this bill is about reviewing a process that we saw a flaw. >> among other changes undoing a 2005's republican backlog. jeff duncan boycotting the debate, watching it from his office. >> it did not feel good putting a space between myself and my colleagues. it was the right thing to do. sometimes leadership is lonely. >> the georgia house passed a sweeping bill that includes provisions that would limit early voting hours on weekends and restrict the use of dropmai. >> people died and flooded and

marched and fought for the right to vote and this takes us backward. >> republican legislatures across the country are proposing the greatest reduction in voting access since the late 19th century from arizona. >> if you want to get nyqill you got to show an id. >> to iowa, closing the polls an hour earlier on election day. >> it is a natural extension of what's happening where voters are asking for more election security. >> that big lie has been debunked. it has been debunked. more than 100 times in courts of law and iowa republicans. heck, y'all won big in 2020

here. >> a highest profile of election fraud was party county meeting going on where they're still talking about election fraud or conspiracy theories, they are losing grounds. >> there is as false narrative that you had either care about access or integrity of the election, that's a false choice. >> in florida, where the legislatures racing to add new voting restrictions, a new poll shows most floridians including a majority of republicans want them to make voting easier. >> there is nothing that's shortening the period where people can vote early. there is nothing that closing polls early to prevent fraud. it is covering what they want to do. >> in response democrats passed sweeping voting rights.

republicans argued it is unconstitutional saying it shifts the responsibility for states to congress. >> we think this bill is rotten to the core. it is written in hell by the devil itself. >> georgia is ground zero and joining me now is stacey abrams, a group that promotes voting rights and geoff duncan. welcome to both of you. i want to begin with miss abrams. i want to start with the issue with hr-1. the house passed this bill. it is not going to overcome the senate's filibuster. do you think democrats should pay down hr-1 or is the focus should be on eliminating the filibuster? >> the focus is on protecting

democracy. we know january 6th was the opening in an attempt to roll us back to the jim crow's era. we know that the u.s. senate much like the u.s. house has the sole responsibility under the u.s. constitution to regulate the time, place and manner of elections. that's something that we have to accomplish. it would be best if it was done in concert with republicans as we have in times past when we had to confront demons and do better for our people. for the purpose of protecting our democracy, it is not only logical but fundamental to who we are. >> have you talked to joe manchin about this particular angle of suspending the filibuster? >> i have not. i believe these conversations

are ongoing among the number of senators. i also understand there were times where we had to look at the fundamentals of our processes and do what was right. we know the senate has done so to suspend the filibuster for the purposes of judicial appointments and reconciliation. i would say protection of our democracy which we have seen debated through the january 6th insurrection counts and when you look at the 253 bills moving through state legislatures, sadly 50 of them through georgia itself, we know now is a time for congress to take up the role it alone has which is to regulate the time and place and manner an election. >> a post from jennifer rubin. she writes "the legislation's only hope and is a slim one,

rests with democrats' willing necessary to pare down the measure." >> i know you did not answer my question by hr-1 about the decisions should be pare down. what do you think of that solution? do you think democrats should be thinking about a pare down version of this bill? >> i believe democrats should do their level best to pass laws to protect our democracy. i am not being evasive, i am telling you that we have to pay attention to the whole of our democracy and defend and protect it. that means doing the work necessary to ensure every american who's eligible to vote to do so. i have served in a legislative body where everything is up for grabs and everything is on the

table. we have an a-priority issue. the senate has to believe it has the responsibility and the ability to act. so we can get something done to protect our democracy. >> if that does not happen, what is your next hope of trying to prevent some of these radical changes that's being proposed around the country. >> i am not going to give up hope that something will happen. fair fight was born at a time when we knew nothing was happening at the federal level and in part of raising awareness amongst voters. these bills are trying to solve a problem they have yet to identify. the governor spent great amounts

of time and their political reputation defending the integrity of our elections. these bills are nothing but the pretext from returning to jim crow. voters across the country when they see their rights to vote is being forwarded will do what they can to push back. they should not have to fight on their own. that's why we elected congress and have a constitution and that's why congress should be held to account for defending our democracy. >> if these proposals is signed through the law by the governor, if these restrictions were put in place with 2020 of democrats carrying georgia and either of the mitigate that harm in 2020 a reality is voter see people are attacking their rights to vote, we respond and

we respond with a furry that's born of urgency, we would not have the american rescue plan that's going to let 171,000 children in georgia out of poverty. we'll serve millions of americans and lift them out of poverty. that's something would not happen but for the right to vote. i refuse to count anything but to the deepest of commitment to defend our democracy and the work that other organizations are doing. >> this is a national fight for you. i am curious, are you still thinking about running for governor in 2022? >> we have to defend our democracy against all enemies and permeaing and fighting hard to restrict access of the right to vote and making sure people of color and young people can participate fully in our democracy which is the least patriotic thing i can imagine. >> if we do have an election in

2022? >> then i will be doing my best to make sure they are fair and available. . >> will you be on the ballot? i am focusing on our democracy and i will make other decisions after we gotten that work done. >> fair enough, stacey abrams, appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective with us. >> thank you. >> let me turn now to a person you saw, geoff duncan. thank you for coming on. you yourself said this is a solution in such of a problem. let me put up some of these proposal in the georgia's legislatures, end no-excuse absentee voting, limit early voting, ban offering food and drinks to folks in line for voting restrict ballot, drop boxes there. i know you are against the top one there. no-excuse absentee voting. >> we have this year.

21 of themts. already some good ideas put in place by democrats and republicans. we passed four election reform bills two weeks ago in the senate. as you mentioned a second ago, there is a lot of solutions in search of a problem. republicans don't need election reform to win. we need leadership. millions of republicans are waking up realizing donald trump's tone and strategy is unwinnable in forward looking elections. we need real leadership and new focus, gop 2.0 and includes moderate in the middle to get us to the next election. >> do you understand when people hear that state legislatures wan to restrict weekend voting particularly sunday in the south that it seems to target african-american voters? do you understand why folks see that? >> i am sensitive of that. i am one of those republicans that want more people to vote.

our ideas help people. to be in charge of keeping our communities safe and in charge of keeping our nation safe and so with that, i hope more people vote but we got to have leadership in place that talks to real people and solves real problems. >> why do you think right now in your party that's a minority view? republican legislature after legislature making it hard to vote. you are not. why are you in the minority? >> not certain. look, i am staying focused on doing the right thing. quite honestly, it hurts republicans in any sorts of conversations. we lost credibility. those are ten weeks we can't take back. january 6th was a pivot point for this country and party.

we got four years to win back the white house, we are not going to do it with a divisive tone or missing or solving big problems for real people. if you are a single mom with three kids working two jobs, you don't care about democrats or republicans. you care about real solutions to your problem. we are the party of solutions. we need to make sure we stay focused. >> are you urging governor kemp to veto these bills? >> we have locked steps on absentee ballots to be e eliminated. i think there are some calmer tones coming. really the only way i knew to express my disapproval of it because i don't get a yes or no vote, we'll work hard and like i said, i hope more people vote in georgia in the next election than this previous one.

>> stacey abrams' groups have been trying to enlist key leaders and film industry that can be a source of tension sometimes when it came up to some of these bills and some folks objected to. are you concerned of a backlash sort of against the state of georgia for this perception? >> i look at trying to capture voters attention like a competition. i want to compete for their votes and put big ideas forward. we need to continue to work hard and you know i love the fact that the film industry is here in georgia. we are not always going to agree on everything. we can continue to put a great foot forward. governor kemp has done an amazing job walking you through this pandemic and we have one of

the lowest unemployment rate. these are things that republicans should be talking about. >> do you think the investigation into the possible interference of president trump to the voter end georgia, one is a legitimate investigation and two, is it something that you think should be carried through to the very end and if the law says he committed the crime so be it? >> look, i was disgusted with that call when i heard it. look, we had played for ten weeks with president trump and his entire apparatus attacking us here for running a fair and legal election. i am going to stand out of the law and let them do our jobs. the best thing we can do is focus our jobs at hands. >> you sound like maybe somebody running for a different office

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welcome back. our halie jackson, our host of "the circus" and lonnie chen. i want to stick with our focus on voting rights here. we did some research, republican control states considering voting restrictions. 11 place restrictions on mail-in voting. 8 would limit voter activities

and implement stricter laws. you run an organization of getting more people to the polls, is there any of this do you see other than trying to prevent people from voting? >>. >> i think you are at mute there. >> the purpose of the republican party should be battling policy ideas. the republican party have picked up the marble and when home. when the supreme court gutted the voting rights act, 22 jurisdictions in less than two weeks provided more voter suppression laws, not surprisingly they were in the south, they were in places where we saw a growth of african-american and young people and young people in

general. we recognize that in the last election. there were 12 million more young voters than baby boomers, two-thirds of them were young people of color. we are seeing people compete for the vote in the democratic party. we are not seeing that in the republican party, 81% of folks that voted were white. they're not going to be able to grow their party unless they battle ideas. it is becoming incredibly undemocratic process and that's why we need to make sure there is presence and there is a way to solve and apply the hr-1 app. >> is there any way of looking at these attempts and defending them? is the entire republican's

message on voing integrity eviscerated by these curtail vo votings? >> fundamentally if your party appears to stand against more people participating, that's not a popular message by the end of the day. if you believe fundamentally the constitution gives states the right to control their elections and their processes, you got to be focused on trying to figure out to make it easier for state to process. you can't at the state level too be opposed to these things. republicans have to pick their fight. the practice of ballot harvesting, one person can return many absentee ballots. fundamentally, the message of yeah we want to make it hard

er to vote. i don't think it is going to sell. >> stacey abrams would not get into the details of hr-1. i found that interesting that she did not want to engage in that. maybe hr-1 is not the best bill to try to get passed. >> i was struck by the same point who's been on the forefront with a lot of hr-1 is towards a buzz on the senate. i think people understand that and there are some democrats that i have been talking to and sources, we need to push the idea to some sort of exceptions of the filibuster. congressman clyburn has been

vocal about that. there is more speculations about that. hey, we don't want to pare down hr-1 until we see where it is. at the end of the day and republicans are clear of their argument and to chen's point here they believe it is over stepping the federal branch congress has the authority to do. democrats may have to be confronted of this hard choice, what do you take out of hr-1 and how do you leave it at the finish line to make it palable. >> john harmon, does washington end up doing something before 2022 or not? >> chuck, just to go back to your question. let's be clear about this of these bills. >> we just had an election.

>> exactly. and election that scared republicans because you know donald trump came out, the great political truth teller, he came out and said it on the air, if we continue to have a lot of people voting abscess gets broader, republicans will never win again. he benefited if absentee voting and mail voting and this last election they did and now they're trying to restrict voting. i think there is a broader question of filibuster reform. joe manchin kind of open the door of the possibility of reform. you can see the question and the answer to your question of before 2022 is, where does joe biden and the white house come down on it? it seems that the white house right now is more reluctant to

try to press on filibuster reform than joe manchin in the senate. it seems that manchin kind of opens the door and it is in joe biden's court. >> halie jackson, you want to chime in here? >> i think john is speaking an important point here. >> i just had this conversation this morning with somebody at the white house's official on the idea of what is the president going to do not just about the filibuster but more muscular support with hr-1. i will say there is a possibility likely an expectation that he'll speak about it when he's in georgia this week. i think president biden will be certain to address it given the political pressure around it. >> very quickly, joe biden has not been very loud on hr-1. do you think he's worried on how

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team of people trying to push this story further. there are a lot of hot leads out there. the other thing that's true is cuomo is totally dug in. i think the likelihood of cuomo resigning is close to zero. he's following right now uncomfortably for a lot of democrats of what is seen as the trump president. if you are determined enough and shameful enough, you can hold on. the question is is he going to get thrown out? what additional evidence come out? there be a lot of questions of what else unfold the next week. >> i am glad you brought up trump there. i want you to respond on something miller wrote. "dunking on cuomo's demise

requires admitting the other party has." . they seemed to not be self-reflective. >> look, i think you have to call out bad behavior regardless of perpetrated by republicans or in this case cuomo perpetrated by democrats. it should not be a partisan issue. republicans have to acknowledge over the last couple of years and starting the 2016 campaign, there were things done by trump and now being done by cuomo that looked similar. i think chuck, it speaks to a bigger problem we have in many states in this country which is what happens when you have one party in charge for too long, it creates a toxic environment. you see it in new york. it is the same factor that's fuelling the potential recall of gavin newsom in california.

it is what happens when you don't have people standing up and say this is going wrong and talking about the culture of toxicity that we see in cuomo and other states. >> i think plenty of democrats are speaking out of cuomo. what does it say if shame does not work now for cuomo? shame has not worked for trump. shame is not going to work for cuomo? >> what john was saying on the nose, trump moved the gold post of what is proper and what is not. unless there is a massive recall by new york voters, he won't step down, unless something worst comes down down the pipe. gavin's recall is trying to figure out how do you work better under a pandemic and a

disaster. cuomo has extra allegations not just on the nursing home front but also sexual harassment which is not okay by any working environment. >> the white house tried the stay out of this understandably, no white house wants to step into something. at some point schumer and gillibrand is not enough. there is going to be a point biden can't avoid this question forever and neither can kamala harris. >> although they may be able to avoid it until the first news conference that the president holds. unless he's pressed and asked about this. there is increasing talk or at least some talk among some national democrats that governor cuomo could take off some heat from himself that he would not

run again in 2022. not that would make it go away. i was trying to understand why friday and congressman may was one of the people calling for the resignation on friday, she had seen what was happening on the local level and pressure being put on cuomo and dissatisfaction and that's when you saw the slew of lawmakers came out on friday on that point. >> john, i wonder when andrew cuomo used the phrase cancer calling. you are going to use a fox's sticking point to defend yourself? it was a poor choice of word. >> it is another page from the trump's play book. it is cognizant in andrew's mind

that new york is a democratic state. a big chunks of new york that's not liberal. the governor knows he lost the left and lost everybody. he's making a bid to try to go essentially the republican voters of the state to keep his numbers in a place where he can and the broader and modern democrats to push it off and say look, let's have a process here and hope that he can ride it out and hopefully he can finish his term. that's important in the governor's mind. >> it is amazing that he has no place to go and no apartment and house. he only has the governor's mansion anyway. >> amazing >> you guys are were terrific. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. we'll be back next week because if it is sunday, it is "meet the press."

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