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this sunday, back from europe. >> i did what i came to do. >> president biden faces challenges here at home. a new democratic compromise on voting rights. >> i'm happy to see the discussion moving forward. >> gets a promise fuster from republicans. >> inequally unacceptable, totally inappropriate. all republicans i think will oppose that. a bipartisan framework on infrastructure. >> i think it's encouraging people are still talking. >> could lose support from progressive democrats. >> this is as clear as day. no climate, no deal.
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>> can president biden get his agenda through? my guests this morning senator bernie sanders of vermont and senator rob portman of ohio. after the summit. >> the tone of the entire meeting was good and positive. >> president biden and vladimir putin take the measure of each other. >> this is not about trust. this is about self-interest and verification of self-interest. >> putin deflects evidence of russian cyber hacking, but both leaders say they hope for a better relationship. i'll talk to trump and obama russia adviser fiona hill. for the third time, obamacare survives a supreme court challenge the supreme court has just ruled the aca is here to stay. >> signaling the likely end of the republicans' decades long efforts to kill joining me are washington host bureau chief ashley parker, democratic pollster, cornell
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belcher. pbs "newshour's" amna nawaz and brad todd. >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning and happy father's day to all the dads out there. after a largely successful week of meetings in england, belgium and switzerland including the much-anticipated summit with vladimir putin, president biden came home to find his domestic challenges waiting for him. for every sign of hope for some progress, there is a flashing yellow light warning of disappointment. yes, joe manchin released his kounlt offer to protect voting access. republicans are certain to filibuster that. some have agreed on a bipartisan framework on infrastructure. progressive democrats are taking a dim view of the deal. yes, republican senator tim scott says he's cautiously
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optimistic about passing a bipartisan police reform bill. but no, there is no guarantee that this like previous signs on police reform will hold up. president biden has been remarkably silent on these issues. soon enough he'll decide how to move forward and where to as shert pressure. now that the overseas trip is in the veer view mirror, the road ahead is much more politics than it is putin. >> -- bipartisan plan, do you have any reaction to that? >> i'll tell you when i get a copy of it. >> after a whirlwind trip abroad, president biden returns to high-stakes political controversy at home, spending their political capital to push his agenda through congress. a bipartisan bill on infrastructure, 11 republicans supported in the senate, enough to clear the 60-vote hurdle if it doesn't lose democratic
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votes. >> my chief of staff thinks there may be some room to get this done. >> the deal is already being panned by progressives. >> this is as clear as day. no climate, no deal. >> i continue to believe that most of what is being discussed in this effort would heap new taxes on working people. >> the bipartisan sucks up trillions of dollars in bridges to nowhere because it makes people feel good, then that's going to be a huge con certain. >> then there's the problem of paying for it. an early draft included raising the gas tax, something the white house has ruled out. >> there's still issues. >> democrats are crafting their own ambitious package which they said this week could cost up to $6 trillion and inc progressive priorities, climate change provisions, money for elder care and paid family leave, a medicare expansion and legal status for millions of
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undocumented immigrants. >> the reasons to do another package, but i think the key is how are we going to pay for it and are we going to get enough votes to do it. >> west virginia's joe manchin extended an olive branch to progressives, backing a narrower alternative, making election day a holiday, requiring 15 days of early voting and banning partisan gerrymandering. >> i've been working across the aisle with all republicans trying to get people to understand that's the bedrock of our democracy, accessible, fair and secure voting. >> key progressive endorsed manchin's plan, surprising republicans, who hoped to drive a wedge between democrats on this issue. >> is that a compromise you can support? >> absolutely. what senator manchin is putting forward are basic building blocks we need to ensure that democracy is accessible no matter your geography. >> republican leader mitch mcconnell vowed to block the compromise offer.
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>> equally unacceptable, totally inappropriate, all republicans i think will oppose that. >> joining me now is senator bernie sanders of vermont. of course, the chair of the senate budget committee. senator sanders, welcome back to "meet the press." happy father's day. >> thank you very much. happy father's day to you. >> appreciate that. you said on monday you weren't going to support this bipartisan infrastructure deal as it stands right now. what would it take for you to support this deal, particularly if president biden starts to sign off on it -- what would it take even if you don't love it? >> well, chuck, look, what we've got to do in these budgets is address the crises facing the american people. it is true that our roads and our bridges and our water systems and our wastewater plants are crumbling and we need to invest in them. as i understand it, the
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so-called bipartisan plan really only provides about 25% of the money that the president asked for, about $580 billion. the point goes beyond that. the working people of this country understand, chuck, that for decades, we have ignored their needs while the very richest people in this country have become richer. we have a situation right now where people throughout this country cannot afford child care. people cannot afford -- elderly people cannot afford hearing aids or dental care. we have a disaster in terms of climate impacting this country right now. how do you go forward? right now, in this moment in history, and not address the terrible climate crisis we face and transform our energy system? how do you not deal with housing when 18 million families are spending 50% or more of their
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limited incomes on housing? the list goes on and on. rich get richer. working people are struggling. it is time we paid attention to the needs of working people. and when we do that, when we deal with climate, when we deal with infrastructure, when we deal with home health care, when we deal with child care, we can create millions of good paying jobs. that's what the american people want. that's what we've got to do. >> are you comfortable with a two-step process where you do -- you noted, this is the 25% of what president biden asked for. is it worth it in your mind to take what you can get in a bipartisan way, especially if that's the way you can get joe manchin and kyrsten sinema to get on board a democrats-only bill that may tackle the care economy as you just outlined? >> look, as i said, what is in the bipartisan bill in terms of spending is, from what i see, mostly good, roads and bridges
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and we need to do that. that's what we're proposing in our legislation, but in much greater numbers. one of the concerns i do have about the bipartisan bill is how they are going to pay for their proposals. they're not clear yet. i don't know that they even know yet. some of the speculation is raising a gas tax which i don't support. a fee on election vehicles, privatization of infrastructure. those are proposals i would not support. >> at the end of the day, do you think this ends up passing as -- by raising the deficit? is that something you're comfortable with and then democrats have to go it alone and possibly raise taxes on their own? is that where this is headed? >> well, when you talk about taxes, let us also be clear and i think the average american, whether democratic, republican or independent, at a time of massive income wealth inequality, when two people own
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more wealth than the bottom 40% of america, and you have billionaires out there who pay zero, not a penny in federal income tax, large corporations pay nothing in federal income tax. the president said he doesn't want do raise taxes on people making $400,000 or less, i agree with that. in order to lower the cost of prescription drugs, in order to deal with paid family and medical leave because we're the only major country on earth that doesn't provide that, yes, we are going to have to ask the wealthy and powerful to start paying their fair share of taxes. >> i want to go back because you kind of ducked the question the first time. would you support or at least vow not to kill the bipartisan deal if you got a commitment from the president and some of the centrist senators to support a larger attempt, a sort of a part two democrats-only reconciliation bill? >> chuck, i don't know that anybody can give you an honest answer to that because nobody knows what is going to be in
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this bipartisan agreement and how it is going to be paid for. if it is roads and bridges, yeah, of course we need to do that and i support that. if it's regressive taxation, raising the gas tax or fee on electric vehicles or the privatization of infrastructure, no, i wouldn't support it. but we don't have the details right now. >> let me ask you about obamacare. the supreme court ruling this week -- this is the third one, and i even heard republican senators say okay, no more, no mass, they're not going to try to kill obamacare anymore. you preferred something bigger, medicare for all. where is your priority now? making obamacare closer to your vision on medicare for all, doing things like that, or do you still think in the future obamacare should be scrapped and replaced? >> obamacare has done a lot of good for a lot of people. that's clearly a fact and i support that. at the end of the day, chuck, we
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are the only major counted on earth that doesn't guarantee health care to all people as a right. we are spending roughly twice as much per capita on health care as do the people in any other country and 90 million of us are uninsured or underinsured. we pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. we don't have enough doctors and nurses and dentists, especially in underserved rural areas. in is not a system that is working. we pay a fortune. we don't get good value. my own view is we must move to a medicare for all single payer program. by the way, there is growing support to at least right now expand medicare to cover dental, to cover hearing, to cover eyeglasses. it's outrageous that millions of seniors have trouble eating because they can't afford dentures. >> quickly, there's a campaign by some groups that are very supportive of you throughout the years that are calling on
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justice stephen breyer to retire. one ad, it is time for brier to announce his intent to retire from the supreme court. do you think this pressure campaign is appropriate? would you like to see him retire now? >> no. i will let the judge make his own decision. i'm not going to tell him what to do. >> senator bernie sanders, the independent progressive from vermont. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. thank you. >> thank you very much. let's dive deeper into this potential bipartisan agreement. joining me is republican senator rob portman of ohio, a lead negotiator in this bipartisan infrastructure talks. senator portman, welcome back to "meet the press." before i get you to respond to senator sanders, given what we heard from senator tester on friday about the gas tax, i've got to ask you, are all 21 of you still on board this deal if you haven't agreed to how you're going to pay for it?
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>> yes. in fact, we do have pay-fors. i was interested in hearing from my colleague senator sanders. he said at one point with regard to the $6 trillion package, the list goes on and on. that's the problem. it's not about infrastructure. it's kind of a $6 tril job grab bag of progressive priorities. ours is about core infrastructure. it is paid for. it's paid for without raising taxes. i do think we have agreement on that. i think there are very creative ways to pay for infrastructure that wouldn't be valk for other expenses. as an example, the infrastructure bank which is a bipartisan proposal that says let's use the power of the federal government to borrow at lower rates to leverage private sector funding as well as state and local funding. also, we're repurposing covid funding, chuck. over $100 billion in the proposal is repurposing funding not spent with regard to the covid-19 packages that have gone out, including the latest $350 billion package to state and
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local government. they would like to spend some of that on infrastructure. my state of ohio certainly would. we would permit them to do that and that helps pay for the package. >> so the gas tax is out? >> well, the administration said it's out for them. we don't have a gas tax, per se. it is going forward indexing the gas tax to inflation. it's been the same since 1993. the group does support that. we understand the administration has very strong views on that. it's a user vee. we think the user fee is appropriate. shouldn't electric vehicles or hybrid vehicles pay their fair share in terms of infrastructure needs, roads and bridges. >> is that code for it may end up not being in the final package? >> it may not, but the administration, therefore, will need to come forward with other ideas without raising taxes. what we don't want to do is hurt the economy as we're coming out of this pandemic by raising taxes on working families.
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that's, frankly, what's done in the $6 trillion package, the largest tax increase in american history in addition to the huge spending. it's important that we have pay-fors, but we don't want to raise taxes. >> let me ask you this, why shouldn't either jeff bezos, the individual or amazon, the corporation, be contributed more to our infrastructure? >> well, they should be paying taxes, and that's actually part of our proposal, too. we have about a $63 billion pay-for helping to close the tax gap, that assumes about a $40 billion investment in the irs, including, by the way, better taxpayer service which is important right now, but also enforcement. let's be sure we're closing that, but not in a way that's too intrusive in the lives of americans in small businesses. i think that's a good sweet spot, a compromise. the administration talked about a $700 billion fund here.
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that isn't appropriate in our view. there's a bipartisan agreement on helping to close that tax gap. >> i am curious, though, it does seem as if all the pay-fors, there's this big list and, yes, you called it creative ways t. average person looks and says these are countermaneuvers, this will increase the deficit. there seems to be comfort, okay, let the deficit go up if it's for infrastructure. is that where this is going to end up being? >> no, no. absolutely not. i would disagree there, chuck. i think when you look at infrastructure, you have to think about what it is. it's long-term investments. as an example, we have a bridge over the ohio river in downtown cincinnati where i am that has been in need of repair for a couple of decades now. it's about a $3 billion project. it's going to take a long time to do it, probably five to ten years. it's about a 50-year project we hope. these hard assets will last for
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many, many years. this is supporting long-term investments to increase our productivity as a country, increase our competitiveness, all the economics of this work well for our long-term economic growth. that's what this is about. it's something that can be paid for differently. traditionally we've allowed the federal government to provide low interest loans that get paid back. that's what we have in the proposal, the so-called trskt bank which is a revolving loan program. much is being done with regard to water infrastructure and the grid, the ratepayers themselves will pay that back. it is a way to pay for it. not going further into deficit but understanding these are long-term capital assets that we need to do. by the way, we don't get good marks on our infrastructure in t we're losing out to other countries in terms of it. >> there are many whispering in
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the administration's ear. you think you have 11 republicans and the deal dies or this is being dragged back. how committed is this group of 11 republicans to sticking by this bill even if mitch mcconnell says he can't vote for it? >> i think we're absolutely committed to it. i think there's a number of others as well on both sides of the aisle. last week i heard from a lot of my colleagues sayingi need to look at one other issue, can you do this, do that. there's a lot of interest in having a bipartisan proposal. chuck, this is growing the vote from the middle out. unfortunately, that's where we are right now in congress. it's more likely we'll have success in doing that. you recall at the end of last year we did the same thing with regard to a covid-19 package which helped to get that final package done at the end of the year after really almost a year of no activity on something that was really necessary. this is the same thing. everybody wants to do infrastructure. president trump had a $2 trillion package he was proposing. president biden proposed one in his campaign.
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by the way, this helps president biden keep that pledge of having an infrastructure package, but also to keep his prej of doing things ab cross the aisle and getting things done. >> i twoont ask you about joe manchin's idea on voting reform. five bullet points, they look fairly reasonable. i'm curious what you think. make election day a public holiday, mandate 15 days of early voting, stop gerrymandering, require voter id including things like utility bills. is that a basis to start a conversation in your view? >> well, first of all, i appreciate what joe manchin is doing here. he's trying to find some middle ground. unfortunately what he does is what the larger bill s-1 does. irt takes the election system and federal lies it. it's a federal takeover of the election system. >> is that a takeover?
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>> extraordinary circumstances. it would be telling my state of ohio that -- >> federal government tells the state how to spend transportation money sometimes. >> well, that's true, and there's federal money provided for that. in this case what he's saying to the state of ohio or your state of florida, we're going to decide how redistricting is done. taking away from the democracy. right now in ohio our state legislature makes that decision. these are elected representatives. he wants to make it a federal responsibility through some kind of commission. even provisional voting. have to include it.a provisiona that's a state rule that some states allow and some don't. the bottom line is we should make it easy to vote in this country. we should also make it hard to cheat. i'm proud of our ohio election system and i think they do a very good job.
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it's based on a bipartisan effort. that's the concern about what joe is trying to do. although, i appreciate him trying to find the middle ground. who knows? maybe something can be done. >> senator portman, happy father's day. >> happy father's day to you, chuck. coming up, the biden/putin summit. was it a success? i'll talk to fiona hill, a introducing the new citi custom cash℠ card, a different kind of card that rewards rashida where her spending is trending. just ask overly confident diy rashida rashida: wait, was this the right wall? or last minute gift shopping rashida rashida: i'm putting a bow on it! wow. even sneaking away for a vacay rashida. rashida: shhh! i've earned this? from home improvement, drugstores, select travel and more earn 5% cash back that automatically adjusts to your top eligible spend category, up to $500 spent each billing cycle.
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on russia and was so alarmed by his behavior at the helsinki summit, she considered calling for a medical emergency. you remember her testifying during mr. trump's first impeachment and helped brief president biden before the trip. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks so much, chuck. >> let me start with this. instead of trying to ask you to gauge was it worth it, when will you decide whether this geneva summit was worth it? what should we watch for to find out whether this summit was a good idea or not? >> i think that's really the right approach, chuck, looking forward. i think what we'll have to see is whether there are additional meetings at high level. we've heard as we've come out of the summit that there have been some plans for having strategic stability talks. those are the talks about how we're going to manage our respective nuclear arsenals. the russians have got a lot of new novel weapons that can hit
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us in unfortunate ways. the russians are concerned about our long-range prevision strike conventional weapons and we have to find a way of talking about them. the treaties that we've had in the past, the inf treaty we've pulled out of, the new treaty, we've extended it for a short period, but that has to be renegotiated, and the whole nuclear world is much more complex than it was before because we've got china as an increasingly worrying nuclear power on the strategic side. the main problem is in cyber, which i think you were alluding to in the run-up for this discussion, and that's where we're going to have to see whether we're able to sit down and have serious cyber talks, not just at the working level, but something that takes it up to try to reach some kind of agreement. >> so there's some concern that we may have given putin a new status quo because he amassed troops to the border of ukraine and got the summit, so he pulls
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them back. he's still got crimea. we got him to agree not to kill navalny, but he's still in prison. did putin get more out of this than we realize? >> in terms of the symbolism of having a sit-down with the american president, absolutely, that is a very important win for putin. but it's not a win if nothing happens out of it. that is just an episodic event and he can't take that to the bank for a long time and cash it in. he's got to basically present himself at home as the great statesman because he himself has to subject his presidency to a re-election. we keep hearing he's going to stay until 2036, but in 2024 he's got to have elections as well. he's got to show he's still popular. in the meantime coming up, there are parliamentary elections. so basically the ruling party united russia also has to subject itself for re-election and they're not looking very popular. on the back of that, putin has a big problem right now with covid
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and the pandemic. he's got a lot of problems on the domestic front. he's only got about 10% of the population vaccinated. he spent all of his time being an anti-vaxxer and talking down on vaccines, including astrazeneca and pfizer and moderna, and now russians don't want to have shots in their arms either. so putin has to figure out how to navigate things. he can't just basically live off an episodic meeting with the united states president in geneva for months to come. so he's got to show something out of it and the problem with the previous administration, with president trump and vladimir putin, is fantastic meetings from his perspective, he was able to push our political burdens, make fun of us, have sit-downs and self calls, but he never got any kinds of agreements. so that really wasn't all that worthwhile. so he has to get something out of this as well, something more than just the meeting in geneva. >> what are we miss calculating on our ability to punish putin or change his behavior? if i look back at the last
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decade, there have been an array of attempts, whether it's embarrassing him in front of the olympic committee, the panama papers, the various sanctions. it isn't as if we haven't tried new things and haven't tried to do this, and none of it seems to work. why? >> well, look, you have to have a very clear red line and a very clear unified response. some of our problem is our own inability to have collective action. the previous segments this morning show a part of that problem. we've got so much parties in-fighting that we can't agree on what should seem to be simple things like an infrastructure bill, for anybody riding around in their car in the united states, potholes, it should be a fairly simple thing to do. it's the collective action, the fact that we can't get congress to work together on foreign affairs and national securities, and on domestic front. it's our inability to work with our allies because often we've been add odds with them.
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it does actually work. i'll give you unepisode that did work with russia. it's not pleasant, but everyone will recall in 2018 there was an incident in syria. our military was very clear to the russian military, you fire on our guys, we'll fire back. the russians tried covert action by putting in military forces and a bargaining group. they shot at our guys pretending to be rebels. they got shot back at. the russians accepted that they had overstretched the mark, they had gone over the red line and it was a massive mistake. that's the kind of action and response that we need to be able to set up. we have to try to find that in cyber as well. it's no good telling the russians what we're going to do, but what we have to do is make a clear red line and then have a response that they know why that response happened and then they have to recalculate. >> you brought up the 2024 elections that putin has in and how soon do you think
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that post-putin world begins? >> well, that's a really good question, isn't it, when he said he's going to stay until 2036, which will make him 84 years old and he'll have been in power for 36 years, having come in in january of 2020. so in some respects there seems to be never anything beyond putin. what he's signaling, however, is that he wants to make the decision about who is the next president, just as he did when he stepped down for a brief period and put the other president in place for a four-year period. he doesn't want alexei navalny to be president and he's been incredibly brave in returning to russia, only to be put into jail. what putin wants to ds choose someone, probably one of his proteges or a younger version of himself perhaps from the security forces or somebody else that he's installed in one of the regional governors, for example, or someone from the
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inner circle. so he has to show that he is in complete control to make that happen. what he's trying to do, of course, is to stifle the choice, the democratic choice of the russian people to decide for themselves. so what comes after him could very well be another putin in some respects, but perhaps somebody from a different background, not somebody from the old kgb or fsb. we might see something a little different. but he's trying to just sit more of the same of him to protect himself and those around him. >> you described a little bit of what we saw in iran where essentially the leaders are picking who gets to be on the ballot. >> exactly. >> fiona hill, it's great to have your perspective. thank you. >> thank thank you very much. when we come back, do republicans want to make deals with democrats or do they want to deny president biden any victories?
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welcome back. the panel is here. when i say here, i mean here! look. studio, with us, first time in more than a year. this is our first nude i don't. white house bureau chief ashley parker, democratic pollster cornell belcher, republican strategist brad todd and pbs "newshour" correspondent amna nawas. brad todd, no relation on that front. ashley, when you read the tea looeflgs of sanders and port manned, it looks close. this seems close. you're the white house bureau chief. it's all about president biden at this point. i think he wants this deal. is he going to get it? >> he does want this deal. especially when you talk to republicans on the hill, they think he wants this deal even more than some of his staff: that's why in these moments where it starts to fall apart, you see the republican senator, much to the chagrin of their
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staffs unable to blame president biden. they think he wants to get to yes. his staff is pulling him back. i think we'll see. this is a different animal than the covid rescue plan which he felt tremendous urgency to do. first we shoulder say he does define that as bipartisan even though it got no republican votes. he was just going to push this through. when you talk to his team, this is something where they're proceeding to go it alone, but they want the bipartisan buy-in. >> amna, what we're trying to figure out on the progressive side of things is how much patience do they have and is this about -- would they really kill a deal that president biden endorsed? >> what you've seen from progressives early, to ashley's point, i think the next bill is so different from previous ones coming back from that foreign trip. this is the real test now, how can president biden move forward with the promise of bipartisanship which ke campaigned on. he said i can do this, i have the relations from my time in the senate to pull that off.
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the first 100 days exceeded expectations, now there's starting to be fraying around the edges. this is kind of an issue of competing ambitions for biden because he wants to be this president who comes out with big, bold plans to move america through this time of uncertainty in coming off a global pandemic. he's going to have to make a choice. >> cornell and brad, let's do the political calculations. cornell, first to you, does biden need to have a small bipartisan deal to succeed, or does he need something big with democrats but risk it maybe not happening for an entire calendar year? >> the answer is either. you take either and then sell it. the americans are always talking about they want bipartisanship, bipartisanship, bipartisanship. you hear it all the time. there's a legislative grim reaper by the flame of mitch
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mcconnell who is 100% against the biden agenda. mitt romney says let's be open to the conversation. manchin is saying -- praising the senate leader forgiving bipartisanship a chance. i think the optics of it -- sausage making is ugly. the optics of it, they're giving bipartisan a chance. they're trying. in the end, if they do get a bipartisan bill, i think it will quite frankly, politically good for both sides. infrastructure is something that republicans, democrats and independents all want. >> brad, i had a republican staffer admit that the fact that the republican base is more worried about critical race theory gives them room to do this deal. if you think about what happened during obamacare -- >> republicans can support an infrastructure deal if it's concrete, water and fiber. broadband roads. it can't be a trojan horse for bernie sanders' wildest fantasies.
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you have to have a deal that bernie sanders will vote against to get a significant number of republicans. slt worth losing 15 democrats to get a steel that includes 0 republicans? >> i had somebody say, if you don't like the $6 trillion deal, is it better to pass something or let the democrats go it alone? >> i think it's incredibly risky for democrats to run everything for two years on party line votes. that's a recipe for republicans to take both chambers of congress. the fact you hear so many progressives act as if democrats have 70 senators and not 50, tells you the tug -- >> i don't think there's a bipartisanship bill progressives aren't going to kill it. >> sanders talked about what he liked. >> that's politics. you say i want this, want this, hold out until you get it. i don't think the progressives are going to kill this bill. i think at the same time it's going to be hard to run in the
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midterm election without -- >> bipartisan ship is incredibly important. as you said democrats don't want to do everything, go it alone. if you talk to some of the biden people, results are equally as important. you hear them often say they learned the lessons of the obama years. they pointed to the 2009 bailout package and says who remembers the three republicans? you maybe remember, chuck. nobody else does. they look at the covid relief bill, there were no republican votes. it was checks in pockets and shots in arms. that's all that matter. >> can we say we saw some movement on mitch mcconnell. to say bipartisanship is dead after the talks broke down and to come back a few days later, 50/50 chance, mash that's progress. >> let me ask a question for cornell and brad. had stacey abram's attacked manchin's compromise, is mitch mlk connell more open to it? >> you should have went to brad first. >> i thought it was fascinating
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because stacey ab bramts endorsed it, we can't touch it now. >> i think she endorsed it with the intent to kill it. she knows it has to die in order for her to get what she wants with s-1. >> i'm not that cynical. quite frankly, most of the things in that bill are common sense. you talked about it. these are hard things for republicans, like redistricting. the senator went on to say this takes away the rights of ohioans. no, even 57% of republicans want redistricting to be taken away from these partisan games we play. you and i make our livings from this. the gerrymandering has to stop. we're not even having fair medical elections anymore because keep winning. >> you want t circle the bernie sanders answer on stephen brier breyer. he wanted no part of that. >> said a lot without saying a
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acknowledge emancipation. by 1999 three other states, minnesota, oklahoma and florida were added. it was the first decade in this sentry that momentum took off. 30-plus states added it from 2000 to 20 09d. by the time congress voted on it every state but two had juneteenth as a state holiday. just south dakota and hawaii didn't have it. north dakota was the most recent state to add it in april. what's interesting here is just sort of where public opinion has been on this. overall, just 35% of adults say juneteenth should be a federal holiday. don't mistake that for a lack of support. it's more of a lack of knowledge about it. 40% said they didn't know, and public opinion, that tells you there's a bit of a knowledge gap on the issue overall. what's interesting on this knowledge gap in how much it is by age. a real generational divide. among younger votes, a majority
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mike pence and this whole idea how do you cater to the trump base. let me show you examples of what some future president candidates are doing to cater to the trump base. take a look. >> we felt very strongly that our tax dollars should not be going to teaching these theories that are not based in fact and that really divide people and is effectively a form of state-sanctioned racism. >> i'm right here in the ground in arizona, maricopa county at the election audited. >> the federal government has a legal responsibility under the federal immigration laws to do it. but because they are not doing it, texas taxpayers are having to step up. >> let me include ohio senate candidate josh mendel. there are no words to this one, i think the image speaks for itself. the burning of the mask there. yes were talking earlier, i said republican senate staffers are
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sort of admitting the base isn't focused on infrastructure and what's going on on capitol hill so there's some room to maneuver. is the best way to win a minnesota senate primary to go to arizona for this audit? what is this political theater about? >> for about 12 years being outside rather than inside, it's been far more important in the republican primaries than the ideological scale of right to left. you can't be nominated unless you can first prove you're going to be a disrupter. there are shorthand ways to do that. republicans by and large are agreeing on a lot of policy issues, especially when you're in the minority that tends to happen. proof that you'll be a disrupter and advance a pushback to the left is the first step to check. >> is not having, though, a unified -- you say it -- what are the issues that the party stands for? that seems to be the missing piece here. >> specific to this idea of critical race theory. i spent time reporting on this
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county in virginia about an hour outside of washington. to your point, this is something mobilizing people and resonating very deeply. it was about a 100-degree day, dozens and dozens and dozens of parents, mostly white in this largely affluent county showed up to a school board meeting, for in the first one they attended, specifically for this one issue. >> that's important to note. you mentioned critical race theory a couple times. this is a parent-led backlash at the grassroots level. >> it's manufactured and then sort of -- the fire was lit. >> i disagree. i think it started because parents have had it with the education bureaucracy after covid. they're fed up with it. they tend to trust democrats on education funding but republicans on education accountability. i think the backlash you're seeing on critical race theory in schools is parents trying to hold educators accountable. >> it'siver is
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yet another tool in the racial trooim book gi man's tool box which republicans think helps them in elections. this is trump 2.0. in is a continuation of this. critical race theory is an arcane ideal. why is it front and center right now? the same reason mitch mcconnell attacked stacey abrams when she came out for the voting bill. it is racial. it is tribalism. we've seen it grow under trump. this is part and parcel of it. they think this helps ignite their base. brad, you know this is organized and is being paid for. >> they're not very good at organizing anything on our side. >> you all are better than us. >> in 2018 went culture with the caravans. some would argue there's some similar motivations with it. democrats went substance with health care and they won the midterms.
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certainly some rural states on the senate side, you could argue, responded to the immigration message. is there a risk here that republicans are too focused on their culture war, that they may turn off swing voters? >> that's definitely possible, but the problem is you have republicans right now, as they were for the past four years, who are just terrified of donald trump and him coming out against them. it's unclear how much donald trump can affirmatively help, say, a house member get elected, but can he absolutely torpedo them in a republican primary by showing up and doing a friday night rally in their state or home district? absolutely. when you talk about the substance, a picture of them paying homage to him at mar-a-lago going viral can be as viral as a plan to reduce the national debt. >> do you want to be the first person to look like you're beating trump? >> i don't know that ron
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desantis is going to be calling on mar-a-lago until the next straw poll comes around, if that's what you're asking. that was interesting. i think you're talking about the western states straw poll. they're great fodder for all of us in our business. >> you know who cares about straw polls? donald trump cares about straw polls. he cares about fan polls, a lot of polls, not the accurate ones, but he does care about them. guys, great to have you in the building. before we go, you know we love documentary film. we're partnering with our friends at the american film institute to sponsor the afi films festival. you can watch them june 22nd through 27th. tickets on sale at docs.afi.com. thank you for watching. enjoy your father's day, whether you're a dad or are your dad. we'll be back next week. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."
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